Post: #1

Do you think he's got good game? Those chics have bangin' bodies, but facially they were just "ok" to me, but he came in heavy with compliments that might have been over the top. He got a number but do you think she's gonna flake by her vibe?

Post: #2

I think at this point he just wanted to num close for the sake of the video.

Post: #3

Cringe worthy.

He's moving his hands a lot, and he didn't build enough investment from the before asking their number. Asking where they are from and all that crap. He should read Day Bang by Roosh.

Bad game. Creeping them out with the camera instead of using to look famous. At least he acknowledged it was there.

See, if you are going to go direct, go direct (and look as good as you can possibly look if you are going to try it). Don't pussy foot around and give away your hand while also saying "we can go out as friends, I'm not trying to sleep with you"or whatever.

Asking them how he should pick them up and approach them etc.?

Gay.

He gets the number, but that's a rocky road he made for himself. I could probably get their numbers much faster.

Post: #4

Million times more efficient

Post: #5

(01-29-2014 02:34 PM)dads Wrote:  Million times more efficient

Has anyone tried this?

What was the flake rate like? If it was high, did it become irrelevant due to the sheer amount of numbers?

Post: #6

i would bet a lot of money she flakes. pretty good video of 'what not to do'.

Post: #7

I know some of his videos are fake, don't know which ones/to which extent though.
He does do some things correctly however. His cold approaches are well done IMO

Post: #8

Just shows if you are young,tall and good looking - you have to "game" less. No news here. He comes off relaxed and confident too.

Post: #9

I watched 58 seconds:

The Good:

-They were open to being opened. Chicks walking down the street in next to nothing are 'free spirits'. The girls look screamed 'party sluts'.

-The blonde asked him a question about him being Russian. The initial interest was there.

-The blonde took her sunglasses off. When a chick takes her sunglasses off to talk to you whether it's a Vegas Pool Party or On Venice Beach, it's a sign of interest. Body Language 101.

The Bad

-He ASKED for their numbers. ALWAYS assume the sale. He could of easily put his phone in their hand and said "put your numbers in, we'll party later".

-They said "We have boyfriends". May be true or not, but they were DTF with the correct Game.

-He then tried to SELL them on getting their numbers. He approached the close from THEM being the prize, instead of himself. Bad Inner Game externalized through what he spoke.

-Complimenting them got the American Girl internal monologue going of this: 'awww another Beta Bitch Boy who thinks I'm hot. Well my pussy just dried up', and shown facially by the fake plastic smiles that emerged on their faces.

The kid has potential, but is average without learning Game.

On a side note, I would smash the fuck out of the asian girl with reckless abandon. Perfect party slut dying for a man goo facial.

Post: #10

Guys come on. Getting phone numbers, while not necessarily trivial, is not game. Game is phone number --> bang, nothing else counts. And in that we have no idea how good he is, but I very much doubt he is better than the best out there...unless his YouTube fame helps. Most likely a 5% or lower conversion ratio. Also, be careful about the tactics shown in videos...you don't know how many people said no before they got footage of some who said yes. Vitaly is entertainment, nothing more.

Post: #11

(01-29-2014 03:35 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  I watched 58 seconds:

The Good:

-They were open to being opened. Chicks walking down the street in next to nothing are 'free spirits'. The girls look screamed 'party sluts'.

-The blonde asked him a question about him being Russian. The initial interest was there.

-The blonde took her sunglasses off. When a chick takes her sunglasses off to talk to you whether it's a Vegas Pool Party or On Venice Beach, it's a sign of interest. Body Language 101.

The Bad

-He ASKED for their numbers. ALWAYS assume the sale. He could of easily put his phone in their hand and said "put your numbers in, we'll party later".

-They said "We have boyfriends". May be true or not, but they were DTF with the correct Game.

-He then tried to SELL them on getting their numbers. He approached the close from THEM being the prize, instead of himself. Bad Inner Game externalized through what he spoke.

-Complimenting them got the American Girl internal monologue going of this: 'awww another Beta Bitch Boy who thinks I'm hot. Well my pussy just dried up', and shown facially by the fake plastic smiles that emerged on their faces.

The kid has potential, but is average without learning Game.

On a side note, I would smash the fuck out of the asian girl with reckless abandon. Perfect party slut dying for a man goo facial.

I like this telling them to both put the numbers in the phone..

Post: #12

"I like this telling them to both put the numbers in the phone."

^I honestly cannot remember the last time I asked for a number.

Telling them is a form of dominance + leadership.

Women want men who 'command' + lead from the jump.

Throw in a dose of charm + a small smile. Works like a charm.

Post: #13

(01-29-2014 04:02 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  "I like this telling them to both put the numbers in the phone."

^I honestly cannot remember the last time I asked for a number.

Telling them is a form of dominance + leadership.

Women want men who 'command' + lead from the jump.

Throw in a dose of charm + a small smile. Works like a charm.

Agree with you on that.. what I was talking about was getting them both to give you the number at the same time. If you are going indirect, this seems like it could be the only way to deal with a group of two girls.

That, and it also opens a lot of opportunities for the future.

Jealousy plot lines, threesomes, using them for promotion, etc.

Post: #14

Vitaly is a fake, ROK pointed it out. He hired a known pornstar to be one of the girl's he "picks up."

I'm sure some of it is real, but he's walking away with only a phone number. So does he have tight game? simple answer is hell no.

His real game is fame-game, that's how he gets his bangs in real life. Fame game.

Post: #15

Here he is closing.
He almost got the bang.

Post: #16

Vitaly's videos remind of this tweet by Good Looking Loser:

Quote:well theres 2 types of guys- guys that want female pussy, guys that want female validation. I transitioned from 2 to 1

Vitaly is not doing this to get laid. He is number farming in order to get validation. He gets validation from girls in the form of phone numbers and guys in the form of e-high fives.

His videos are essentially a form of male attention whoring. It is all, "Look at me! Look at how cool I am!" It is also why they tend to have polarizing content in order to increase the amount of people who watch his videos.

If he was doing day game in order to either form a relationship with the girl or get laid, he would be focusing solely on the girl right in front of him and how he is going to move her towards a scenario where sex can happen. Instead he focuses entirely on how cool he comes off and on getting their phone numbers.

Real day game involves actively creating a connection, pursuing an insta-date, setting up another date, or even taking the girl back home during the initial approach. I have never seen this happen in a Vitaly video. Whereas, I have seen it in videos from Tom Torero and Good Looking Loser.

One last thing to note is compare Vitaly to guys who actually get laid. I have watched a couple of Tom Torero videos, Good Looking Loser videos, and obviously Roosh. At one point, I have seen all three of them reveal their flaws as human beings and show me that they are not perfect people who go without failure or rejection. Vitaly actively avoids showing any flaw of his own.

Post: #17

I'm not going to lie that was pretty disappointing. I was expecting far better.

Post: #18

(01-29-2014 11:01 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:  Real day game involves actively creating a connection, pursuing an insta-date, setting up another date, or even taking the girl back home during the initial approach. I have never seen this happen in a Vitaly video. Whereas, I have seen it in videos from Tom Torero and Good Looking Loser.

The problem with real day game is that, done right, it's so natural and looks like people talking - unless you already know what you're doing or there's a breakdown of what's happening in the video, then it's really overwhelming.

Vitaly's videos are gimmicky and don't show genuine game, but you can show them to the most oblivious average guy and he'll be able to understand them.

Being exposed to the possibilities is the first step for most men - 'The Game' was instrumental in making me realise "this is something I can learn, I can become better", even though most of the content is nothing like my life.

If there's just one guy out there who sees "put your number in my phone" and starts to take control of his life as a result, then I say it's worth it.

"I'd hate myself if I had that kind of attitude, if I were that weak." - Arnold

Post: #19

I have said it before that this guy has no game. However his videos are always fun to watch.

He starts this video by over complimenting these girls and then when he invites them out and they refuse, he says he is not looking to take them to bed (wtf), he doesn't maintain frame and pussifies his moves (I stopped watching the video right there).

I would say that his vibe is very very good. Probably even better than 95% of pick up artists we see on youtube. He keeps it entertaining, he is fearless and he has a strong presence. However he does not know how to convert it to bangs. If he was more concerned in getting laid, I am sure this guy would be killing it.

Post: #20

My interpretation: He almost seems to be acting shy on purpose in this one. Hard to know what is real and what is not. The girl on the right (nice boobs) seemed into him: she is practically begging for him to just be more aggressive/fun and less predictable/complimentary. Maybe he was just tired. He clearly didn't really care either way.

Post: #21

what about this? how do you estimate conversion rate? do you believe in at least 10% for girls of the same quality?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTuBf4BrIgE

Post: #22

This is not real "day game".

This is "Making Videos That Hopefully Go Viral and Allow Me to Make Money on Youtube Game".

That is even better than day game! If he is making money and getting girls and having fun, than I say, congratulations!

I need to do something like this.

He was cheesy and overly complimentary on purpose.

Both girls liked him. He got the Whites girls number. I wouldn't be surprised if he b*nged her.

*****

Also, Day Game is largely a numbers game. Even, the best day gamers only convert a small % of their approaches into b*ngs.

Day Game is like baseball, the best in the world are only hitting around 30%.

Post: #23

(01-30-2014 04:38 AM)crippler Wrote:  Vitaly's videos are gimmicky and don't show genuine game, but you can show them to the most oblivious average guy and he'll be able to understand them.

Being exposed to the possibilities is the first step for most men - 'The Game' was instrumental in making me realise "this is something I can learn, I can become better", even though most of the content is nothing like my life.

If there's just one guy out there who sees "put your number in my phone" and starts to take control of his life as a result, then I say it's worth it.

I like your positive spin on it crippler.

I was just throwing out some observations.

Post: #24

I think Vitaly is ok( or rather was ok before started making fake videos) but this guy has much better game. I have never seen such powerful daygame.

Post: #25

"How do you feel"

This is this the kind of question that is asked of women.


We are men here.

It's clear from the fact that you are asking how we feel, that you are also undecided.

General rule about game:

If it's not obvious, then the answer is "no" or "next." .. something with an "n"