Post: #1

I think a lot of men would do a lot better in the game as it pertains to women if they just stuck to playing their game and only their game.

Forums like this are full of questions regarding reactionary tactics to female bullshit. When you find yourself on the side of reacting, as opposed to leading, you are losing.

Whether you realize it or not, when you don't play your game, and instead try to figure out how to play her game, you are internalizing that you are a weaker opponent than she is.

You have to understand that you are a man. Society is not constructed for men to wander around aimlessly with the safety net of knowing that one day they'll find someone or something to take care of even their most basic needs.

Thus, it is in your nature to figure things out for yourself.

On the contrary, women need guidance.

I don't say this to pose the thought process that women are inferior to men, because I don't believe that. There have always been and always will be women who are more accomplished, and have more of an impact on the world than a particular man has. Furthermore, we live in a universe that couldn't function without interdependence, so for me to believe that men are better than women and/or don't need them, would be completely illogical.

However, I will say, because of our nature, and understanding their nature, women not only need guidance, but it is in their nature to desire it and look out for it -- said desire stems from the interaction they have with their fathers, and explains why you can tell a lot about a girl based off of the relationship she has with her dad.

Moving on, chances are that going into every interaction you have with a woman, there's likely something that you can provide to her, greater than what she can provide to you. If going into interactions with women, you know that all you can offer them is dick, well sir, unfortunately, you are a loser.

However, if your game is higher than that and you're a better man than that, then you should know that going into any interaction with a woman, you're going to play your game, and it is her job to recognize your game and conform to the rules of your game. When a woman's game is tight, that's what she does, she recognizes the game, and she conforms to it so she can benefit from what it has to offer her.

Most women don't have tight game, and as a result, you, whether you realize it or not, are constantly dealing with boring, lackluster, gameless women regardless of their level of physical attractiveness -- one of the good things about living in a city like Miami is that you are damn near forced to recognize and accept the concept of a "fake dime".

Think of how many women force themselves to "reject" better men as defense mechanisms because they know they aren't shit and couldn't keep those men. Think of how many women settle for men they no longer respect as soon as they say "I do". Think of how many women allow losers to impregnate them and then when those losers run off, they're stuck taking care of said loser's child which ultimately detrimentally affects every facet of their life going forward. Think of how many women allow themselves to get banged on because for whatever unrational reason, they rather be someone's fuck buddy than belong to someone and something that makes their life better.

If you are actually a higher level man, some of you take your "losses" with these women as if it's you, when it's often them, and you should feel fortunate that at least you were spared having to expend any real resources and/or energy on someone who wasn't worth it, and you'll find that you'll often do that when you just play your game.

In other words, playing your game allows you to quickly put female losers in your rearview.

Try to remember that the next time you're dealing with a chick who flakes on you on very short notice, without a legitimate explanation, and without a plan to make it up to you, or has you wrapped up in some ongoing back and forth bullshit text conversation, or anything that you feel like is outside of the game you play and far from the goals you want to reach, otherwise stay frustrated, and don't complain, because you choose your own frustration.

Post: #2

Makes good sense. Thanks for the break down.

I was thinking about this also the other day. To some extend I also believe the pick up/seduction industry is to blame for trying to answer every question about seduction and women. In reality, there is no answer because there is no question to be asked when you live in a state of being ( and being a man).

Post: #3

(01-26-2014 08:57 PM)Halmark Wrote:  Makes good sense. Thanks for the break down.

I was thinking about this also the other day. To some extend I also believe the pick up/seduction industry is to blame for trying to answer every question about seduction and women. In reality, there is no answer because there is no question to be asked when you live in a state of being ( and being a man).

Ultimately, I believe one has to decide who he wants to be as a man, and then he has to find the type of people who in his life afford him the opportunity to be that man.

A lot of men are being forced to be certain ways, only because they're not being compelled to be who they really want to be.

Romance isn't dead because we woke up one day and decided fuck it, it's dead because these women aren't worth being that way for.

Why do you think guys love going to other countries and gaming the women?

Because it gives them to opportunity to get back to their essence, they're not really running game, they're just being men, doing the natural, biological things they know they need to do to conquer to those women, and when they do, the women reward them for it.

The women in our country are nothing but poison. They are trying to make us as fucked up as they are, yet we're going out of our way to their accept their faults and play by their rules, just so we can shove our dicks into their holes, and the more we do it, we pat ourselves on the backs, and call ourselves "players".

I've had to realize this shit for myself, there's no accomplishment in bedding women you don't care about nor have any respect for. The moment it's over, you want them as far the fuck away from you as possible. You keep these people completely in the dark, they don't know any of your friends or family, hell in some cases, they don't even know any real details of your life, e.g. your real name.

How can one feel good about that?

How can one not internalize that on some level and not feel any negativity about it whatsoever?

We've got men buying one-way plane tickets to the other ends of the Earth just to save their souls.

It's unfortunate we've reached this point; I feel it's rather useless to talk about how we got here, I rather discuss how we must move forward.

Playing your game will help you get there, while your "notch count" might be lower, your quality of life will be much higher. Just because some of us are getting a lot of pussy, well we're too deep in it to realize how far off the path we really are, when you do, that's a sad place to be in, I don't expect a bunch of people to raise their hands, but those who know, know exactly what I'm talking about.

Post: #4

Great thread.

I had thought of publishing a similar thread recently, though I hadn't seen this one before. 

It's exactly like Jariel said, you crave being a certain way, expressing a certain essence around women, only to find that many women will punish you for it. You're left with the choice of subverting yourself and acting the part you need to get laid, or expressing yourself at the risk of losing these women.

I realized that I like to be warm and friendly towards girls. That if I have to be cold to 'win' and fuck them, I end up ultimately losing. 

The girls whose company I've enjoyed are girls who rewarded me and respected me more for being warm, and not less. We get too caught up in being perceived as weak or lame that we suppress ourselves and shy away from what fulfills us. That doesn't mean you should be a bitch - I still never take shit from girls.

You're better off expressing yourself and living up to your own ideal image of a man, and if a girl rejects you for it, she is doing you a favor. She is removing a toxic person from your life - herself - and she deserves her due for that. Instead of expressing frustration and content with her, recognize that her rejection brings you closer to your goal. 

Not that I am always so sanguine myself...

Post: #5

Fundamentals are fundamental. You can't play your game if you don't even know there's one at play.

Post: #6

(08-01-2014 05:49 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  I realized that I like to be warm and friendly towards girls. That if I have to be cold to 'win' and fuck them, I end up ultimately losing. 

The girls whose company I've enjoyed are girls who rewarded me and respected me more for being warm, and not less. We get too caught up in being perceived as weak or lame that we suppress ourselves and shy away from what fulfills us. That doesn't mean you should be a bitch - I still never take shit from girls.

Post: #7

(08-01-2014 05:49 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  I realized that I like to be warm and friendly towards girls. That if I have to be cold to 'win' and fuck them, I end up ultimately losing. 

The girls whose company I've enjoyed are girls who rewarded me and respected me more for being warm, and not less. We get too caught up in being perceived as weak or lame that we suppress ourselves and shy away from what fulfills us. That doesn't mean you should be a bitch - I still never take shit from girls.

In the evolution of my game, this is where I really fucked up.

I overlooked the fact that there is a difference between being nice and being weak.

I got burned bad once so I just stopped being nice, when I should have stopped being weak instead.

What Jariel describes is what I think all veteran players have. Every big name on this forum has a distinct style, they play their own game. It just takes time to get to that point.

Post: #8

(01-26-2014 06:49 PM)jariel Wrote:  Whether you realize it or not, when you don't play your game, and instead try to figure out how to play her game, you are internalizing that you are a weaker opponent than she is.

However, if your game is higher than that and you're a better man than that, then you should know that going into any interaction with a woman, you're going to play your game, and it is her job to recognize your game and conform to the rules of your game. When a woman's game is tight, that's what she does, she recognizes the game, and she conforms to it so she can benefit from what it has to offer her.

This is a good point. Cf:

The Sixteenth Commandments of Poon Wrote:IV. Don’t play by her rules

If you allow a woman to make the rules she will resent you with a seething contempt even a rapist cannot inspire. The strongest woman and the most strident feminist wants to be led by, and to submit to, a more powerful man. Polarity is the core of a healthy loving relationship. She does not want the prerogative to walk all over you with her capricious demands and mercurial moods. Her emotions are a hurricane, her soul a saboteur. Think of yourself as a bulwark against her tempest. When she grasps for a pillar to steady herself against the whipping winds or yearns for an authority figure to foil her worst instincts, it is you who has to be there… strong, solid, unshakeable and immovable.

The mentality to internalize is that it's your position to take the lead and the woman can either take it or leave it. Taking the lead and playing your own game means making the rules yourself. Never change your mind solely for the purpose of pleasing her; if you do so she will perceive you as weak and will never respect you.

So, to elaborate on the difference between being nice and being weak:

Being nice=doing a kind thing for her because you want to.

Being weak=doing a kind thing for her because she wants you to (or because you think you need to in order to remain in her good graces).

Post: #9

Awesome post by Jariel!

(07-31-2014 07:03 AM)jariel Wrote:  Playing your game will help you get there, while your "notch count" might be lower, your quality of life will be much higher.

Yes!

Quality of life will be higher!

Notch count will likely suffer in the short term, but..

It could actually increase in the long term as you become more congruent overall and learn to position yourself and communicate in more receptive "fishbowls".

(08-01-2014 05:49 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  You're better off expressing yourself and living up to your own ideal image of a man, and if a girl rejects you for it, she is doing you a favor.

This is one of the greatest sentences I have ever read on this forum.

(08-01-2014 08:38 PM)General Mayhem Wrote:  It just takes time to get to that point.

It does take time, patience is important.

Finding our niche and learning how to get girls is like learning a language. It takes a few years of solid practice to really get a handle on it.

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This is a great thread.

I love discussing Game Philosophy.

It's a different discussion from tactics-strategy.