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(02-03-2014 02:02 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  US might default on debt by the end of Feb

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-26021640

That is entirely political. An effort to scare the public into believing that unless Congress raises the debt limit, the U.S. will default on its fiscal obligations.

It is something right out of George Orwell's "1984," i.e., we must spend more money or the nation will default.

When the U.S. does default (and it will), no announcement will come.

But don't worry, no one will miss that cataclysm.
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(02-03-2014 03:35 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(02-03-2014 02:02 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  US might default on debt by the end of Feb

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-26021640

That is entirely political. An effort to scare the public into believing that unless Congress raises the debt limit, the U.S. will default on its fiscal obligations.

It is something right out of George Orwell's "1984," i.e., we must spend more money or the nation will default.

When the U.S. does default (and it will), no announcement will come.

But don't worry, no one will miss that cataclysm.

Tailgunner is right...the USA will NEVER default, it is virtually impossible for the country with the ONLY reserve currency in the world to default. The USA would just print more money, however, when the bond market starts to demand a higher interest rate on government debt is when the Sh*T hits the fan. And this will only happen when the USA is no longer the country where all the money goes for safety. Which with the current state of the world may not happen for 50 years, if ever. If you are one the safest countries in the world for capital protection, have rule of law, AND you are the only world reserve currency, then the normal rules that apply to everyone else don't apply to you. Plus most members of Congress are millionaires do you think they want to sacrifice all their market investments over political theater, I think not. What people say and what they actually do don't always coincide in politics.

James Carville said that “I used to think that if there was reincarnation, I wanted to come back as the president or the pope or as a .400 baseball hitter. But now I would like to come back as the bond market. You can intimidate everybody."

It is slowly becoming a mathematical certainty that Argentina defaults, they are going to run out of USD to pay their bonds...etc...

Argentina had virtually no access to external credit markets before this(due to their last default), this is the "Big One" for Argentina.....this isn't just "another" crisis that happens every 10 years....look at the global backdrop now...China just printed a negative PMI (signaling contraction) Venezuela is almost as screwed as Argentina....Russia is doing poorly and Japan just officially today entered a market correction, and the USA is down 7% YTD after today (10% is a correction). With the rest of the world imploding, Argentina won't get any breaks from the IMF etc....I think Argentina goes into a prolonged Depression in the next 12-18 months that may last for years, however that is just my opinion...Comparing the USA economically to Argentina is laughable and shows a lack of knowledge in finance and global economics.

This is no longer about politics it is about math.
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(02-03-2014 04:32 PM)MichaelCorleone Wrote:  ..the USA will NEVER default, it is virtually impossible for the country with the ONLY reserve currency in the world to default. The USA would just print more money, however, when the bond market starts to demand a higher interest rate on government debt is when the Sh*T hits the fan. And this will only happen when the USA is no longer the country where all the money goes for safety. Which with the current state of the world may not happen for 50 years, if ever. If you are one the safest countries in the world for capital protection, have rule of law, AND you are the only world reserve currency, then the normal rules that apply to everyone else don't apply to you. Plus most members of Congress are millionaires do you think they want to sacrifice all their market investments over political theater, I think not. What people say and what they actually do don't always coincide in politics.

I think the era of American economic supremacy is coming to a rather rapid end. There is nothing to prevent another currency from supplanting the USD. Up until the 1950s, 55% of global reserve were held in British pounds. How the times have changed!

I'm not going to try to predict the future but claims of American invincibility are naive at best.
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(02-03-2014 06:15 PM)SpecialEd Wrote:  
(02-03-2014 04:32 PM)MichaelCorleone Wrote:  ..the USA will NEVER default, it is virtually impossible for the country with the ONLY reserve currency in the world to default. The USA would just print more money, however, when the bond market starts to demand a higher interest rate on government debt is when the Sh*T hits the fan. And this will only happen when the USA is no longer the country where all the money goes for safety. Which with the current state of the world may not happen for 50 years, if ever. If you are one the safest countries in the world for capital protection, have rule of law, AND you are the only world reserve currency, then the normal rules that apply to everyone else don't apply to you. Plus most members of Congress are millionaires do you think they want to sacrifice all their market investments over political theater, I think not. What people say and what they actually do don't always coincide in politics.

I think the era of American economic supremacy is coming to a rather rapid end. There is nothing to prevent another currency from supplanting the USD. Up until the 1950s, 55% of global reserve were held in British pounds. How the times have changed!

I'm not going to try to predict the future but claims of American invincibility are naive at best.

People said the same thing about the USSR back in the 80s and Japan in the 90s. Now back to hoarding gold for the undated 'murican apocalypse.

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(02-03-2014 06:15 PM)SpecialEd Wrote:  
(02-03-2014 04:32 PM)MichaelCorleone Wrote:  ..the USA will NEVER default, it is virtually impossible for the country with the ONLY reserve currency in the world to default. The USA would just print more money, however, when the bond market starts to demand a higher interest rate on government debt is when the Sh*T hits the fan. And this will only happen when the USA is no longer the country where all the money goes for safety. Which with the current state of the world may not happen for 50 years, if ever. If you are one the safest countries in the world for capital protection, have rule of law, AND you are the only world reserve currency, then the normal rules that apply to everyone else don't apply to you. Plus most members of Congress are millionaires do you think they want to sacrifice all their market investments over political theater, I think not. What people say and what they actually do don't always coincide in politics.


I think the era of American economic supremacy is coming to a rather rapid end. There is nothing to prevent another currency from supplanting the USD. Up until the 1950s, 55% of global reserve were held in British pounds. How the times have changed!

I'm not going to try to predict the future but claims of American invincibility are naive at best.

You can think that, but the world is materially different now than it was 20 years ago economically. Everything is interconnected. If the USA defaulted then what would happen to the value of all the treasuries that Japan, China, the EU and everyone else holds? The value would crater and those countries would lose trillions.

Oil is priced in USD only. Putin has tried to get this changed for years, but to no avail because for the foreseeable future there is no challenge to the USD as the world reserve currency.

What would an alternative be, the yuan or the euro? No one would want anything priced in a currency that comes from a country where there is no real rule of law..aka China. The southern eurozone has been in a depression for a few years and the european banks are still levered out the wazoo and hold billions of debt from the southern european countries, so the Euro being the currency of the eurozone isn't stable enough either. IMHO, the EU exists to artificially keep the euro undervalued because that is what Germany wants to keep their export driven market humming (which is why Germany keeps bailing out most of the EU they are doing it out of their own self interest)

The cost of changing to another reserve currency would be overwhelming for banks, investors, etc....

It sounds feasible to say the age of USA domination is coming to an end, but if you actually look at the current state of the rest of the world economically you will realize there is no viable alternative out there at all. The media and some politicians use fear as a marketing tactic and use this fear to prey on people's ignorance.

Also, if you say the era of USA invincibility is coming to an end are you referring to economics, social norms, or military might?

You can believe whatever you like and everyone else can too, but being in finance for as long as I have been, also having close connections to so many other people in finance, I have a pretty good handle on what's going on, heck, the market is down 7% YTD and I am already up 18% YTD after being up 42% last year. If I am wrong, I lose money and I have been cashing in big time.

The USA is the richest most powerful country the world has ever known, not Rome, not Alexander, not Greece, not Napoleon, ever had the military power or economic power that the USA has AND if it were to fade, there is NO way it happens in our lifetimes and honestly after I am dead, I don't care what happens because....I will be dead...LOL

The USA is becoming virtually energy independent, that was the only reason the USA needed any natural resource from the rest of the world. Energy independence is a 'game changer' for the USA, our products will be cheaper and more competitive, especially with robots replacing people in more and more areas in the near future.

Regardless of what anyone believes, an investor always looks at a situation and says, "Ok, what is the next best alternative if I don't like this choice."

Still think Argentina will enter a prolonged depression in 12-18 months that will last years...It is gonna get ugly down there..

Did I just thread jack my own thread....LOL
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It's faulty reasoning to state that because there isn't a viable alternative right now, that one won't arise. These things happen out of necessity. The day the rest of the world realizes that U.S Treasury Bonds are as good as toilette paper, you better believe they will find one. There is already a lot of chatter of a supra-national currency, something like the 'Terra'.

Yes, countries would loose a great deal of wealth in the process but they are already suffering due to the Fed's QE. Bernanke has exported a lot of inflation to the third world. While fat Americans drive 10mpg SUVs bought on easy credit, Indonesians can't afford a kilo of rice. It's not a sustainable situation.

Quote:IMHO, the EU exists to artificially keep the euro undervalued because that is what Germany wants to keep their export driven market humming (which is why Germany keeps bailing out most of the EU they are doing it out of their own self interest)

Germany likes the EU because of open borders/free trade. If anything, the Euro is overvalued. Compare it to the historical value of Deutsche Mark(2DM to the Euro).
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The world reserve currency will be the bitcoin within 30 years.
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(02-03-2014 04:32 PM)MichaelCorleone Wrote:  Tailgunner is right...the USA will NEVER default, it is virtually impossible for the country with the ONLY reserve currency in the world to default.

I get the feeling that assertions like this are what make the politicians shake in their shoes at the thought of Ted Cruz and/or the Tea Party. Because tea partiers are like "No way you are going to raise the debt ceiling again."

If the USA is a safe haven, then part of this must be attributed to a functioning politic and population. Lets look at that:

#1: There is a slim but real possibility that tea partiers are able to blockade the debt ceiling increase, now or further down the road. This causes an immediate increase in taxes and cutting of entitlements. Whereas the country is prevented from defaulting, and the currency is protected, the population loses its entitlements and (at worst) causes riots in the streets.

#2: There is also the possibility that banks cannot let a scenario like this happen. Remember, the the general public will vote for what it wants, and will not always protect the interest of banks, currency, holdings, whatever. Which would suggest that banks understand this and plan for it. Now all that needs to happen is someone blows a whistle pointing out a political conspiracy to not let American votes influence the banks, and you have the beginnings of publicly visible corruption.

TL;DR - No matter what the financial industry wants or needs, it is now so closely tied to politics and government that the citizen voting still can exert control over its destiny.
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I think the real question is how can I make money off of Argentina shitting the bed. Is there a way to bet against them? Do they have something like an ETF to short sell?
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I was in Argentina in 2003, 04 and 05. It was amazing. I know everyone talks about Argentine women being difficult to approach and impossible to close. Apparently being unable to withdraw your money from the bank is ummm liberalizing. The gentleman's bar "Black" was populated by Doctors and Lawyers. All gorgeous trying to get by. Sitting in a steak house with a buddy and we had several stopping off to give us numbers. It was not because of our outstanding good looks. It was much more economics based. I suggest that now would be an excellent time to take that long wanted trip to BsAs. It really is a cool city. The people are nice, the food is outstanding, the city's architecture is amazing. With the crisis it will be all but free for dollar carriers.
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(02-06-2014 10:01 PM)devilhunt7 Wrote:  I was in Argentina in 2003, 04 and 05. It was amazing. I know everyone talks about Argentine women being difficult to approach and impossible to close. Apparently being unable to withdraw your money from the bank is ummm liberalizing. The gentleman's bar "Black" was populated by Doctors and Lawyers. All gorgeous trying to get by. Sitting in a steak house with a buddy and we had several stopping off to give us numbers. It was not because of our outstanding good looks. It was much more economics based. I suggest that now would be an excellent time to take that long wanted trip to BsAs. It really is a cool city. The people are nice, the food is outstanding, the city's architecture is amazing. With the crisis it will be all but free for dollar carriers.

devilhunt7, Black is a whore-bar. If women aproached you and your friend there, it was because they were looking for a client.

As for the dollars, right now, if you come with dollars, you have a great advantage, even with the increasing prices.

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(02-03-2014 06:15 PM)SpecialEd Wrote:  I think the era of American economic supremacy is coming to a rather rapid end. There is nothing to prevent another currency from supplanting the USD. Up until the 1950s, 55% of global reserve were held in British pounds. How the times have changed!

I'm not going to try to predict the future but claims of American invincibility are naive at best.

I do believe the opposite.

15 years ago there used to be lots of countries/systems that are not allies with the USA (North-Africa/MiddleEast). Now they are either destroyed (Iraq, Afghanistan) or in the process (Syria, Libya, Yemen).

15 years ago I don't remember we have any USA product in Tunisia. French was (almost) ruling the country.

Now we have cars (ford), phones (iphone, android), software and the English language is making it to become the second language instead of france.

I think we are in the midst of the rise of America. The only serious competitor I can think of is China.
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(02-06-2014 11:52 AM)hugobuckmaster Wrote:  I think the real question is how can I make money off of Argentina shitting the bed. Is there a way to bet against them? Do they have something like an ETF to short sell?

You may want to invest in the Argentine stock market. Companies are massively undervalued, because the government and the currency are melting down.

Then again, in 2012 and 2011, investors lost almost 40% each year. Then again, in 2010 and 2009, investors gained 77% and 64% respectively.

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Why care about Argentina?

We've heard dozens of fund managers, Wall Street analysts, and private bankers ask this question. After all, Argentina's weight in the indices has virtually vanished, and daring to add Argentina risk, could cost portfolio managers their jobs. So why bother?

Yet, Argentina was one of the best-performing equity markets in 2013. The MSCI Argentina climbed 64% in a year when all Latin American markets lost 16%.

This stellar performance did not get much media attention. However, the country managed (it always does!) to regain the headlines for what it does best: go wrong. The Argentine economy is no longer growing, the government is running a deficit of 5% of GDP that is almost entirely financed with money printing, inflation has soared to nearly 30%, and the peso has lost 36% of its value in the last twelve months.

Argentine citizens have learned their lessons the hard way. They know that money printing is a highway to crisis, so they seek to shelter their spare pesos in assets that hold value, like real estate, cars, and, ultimately, the supreme shelter of them all: the US dollar.

The greenback may have its problems at home, but it has never betrayed its Argentine holders. Argentines are prohibited from saving in foreign currencies, and all foreign exchange trades must clear through the central bank, whose supply of dollars is shrinking. The Argentine central bank has lost $23 billion in reserves in the last three years.

Naturally, Argentine citizens have found ways to circumvent these rules, giving rise to a parallel peso/dollar exchange market that exists outside of official control.

OK, that's a lot of bad news. So the question becomes: How was the Argentine market able to rally amidst all these catastrophes?

The answer is simple: They are coming to an end.

In the October 2013 mid-term elections, the incumbent government scored 24 percentage points less than in 2011, inflicting a mortal wound on Cristina Kirchner's reelection bid. That alone filled the air with hope and encouraged some audacious investors to buy Argentine stocks, sparking a fast and furious rally, which peaked in early December.

Since then, the market has been heading south. Inflation seems to have accelerated in recent months, and wages are losing purchasing power fast. Workers are threatening to strike, and there have been reports of looting and deaths in several provinces. Moreover, the parallel (black market) exchange rate soared to 70% above the official exchange rate.

In the meantime, the president underwent brain surgery. Nobody stepped up to control the situation, resulting in poor and often contradictory policy responses to the rapidly deteriorating economic and social landscape.

For example, a few weeks ago, the head of the Argentine tax revenue agency ("AFIP") announced a hike on real estate taxes. A few hours later, the chief of Cabinet denied the news. One day later, the AFIP reaffirmed there would be a tax hike. The next day the minister of Finance said that he had direct orders from the president that there would be no tax hikes.

Three high-ranking individuals squabbling with each other is a sign of incipient anarchy—and not the benign type.

Stocks could not escape the scare, and the MSCI Argentina is now 25% below its early-December peak. That retracement offers the chance to take a fresh look at Argentina, without the anxiety of having to chase a rally.

Despite its "frontier" status in equity indices, Argentina is a far cry from a true frontier country. It is the second-largest economy in South America and the third-largest in Latin America. It has the largest GDP per capita in the region, and has historically had a larger middle class and a more educated population than any of its neighbors.

More important for equity investors, though, is the extraordinary resilience of the corporate sector. Despite having been pummeled for over a decade with tax hikes, fixed prices, negative regulation, the virtual prohibition on payment of dividends, and all sorts of verbal compulsion, Argentine companies have demonstrated a tremendous ability to adapt. They've streamlined to protect margins and paid down debts to prevent succumbing to bankruptcy as a result of either inflation or currency crisis.

With virtually no leverage on their balance sheets, Argentine equities trade, on average, below book value. That alone puts them on our radar. Further, these companies are not allowed to adjust their financial statements for inflation. That makes things very interesting: After six years of around 20% inflation, balance sheets may be underestimating their assets' true value by as much as 50%.

Bolstering that conclusion is the fact that similar assets in comparable countries are priced much higher. The market tends to pay just 50% or less for Argentinian assets than it would for those same assets elsewhere. Whether mobile subscribers, cable TV subscribers, barrels of oil, or GWh of electricity, the equity market puts a large discount on assets if they are located in Argentina. It's not rare to see public Argentine equities trade cheaper than even valuations paid in private equity deals.

With a long-term view, Argentine equities look very cheap. And you needn't dig deep or participate in complicated local-currency trades to find value. Some of the most compelling opportunities trade in ADR form on the NYSE. In particular, we like oil concerns YPF (NYSE:YPF) and Petrobras Argentina (NYSE:PZE). In the TMT sector, we like Telecom Argentina (NYSE:TEO) and Grupo Clarin (London Intl SE:GCLA). And in the banking sector, we like Grupo Galicia (Nasdaq: GGAL).

In a recent report, a prestigious Wall Street firm concluded that Argentina is the cheapest equity market in the world, in both P/E and P/BV terms. Further, Argentina was the only country in all of Latin America in which EPS revisions for 2014 were positive in the last three months. However, they also concluded that investors should be "underweight" Argentina, because it deserves the discount due to political risk.

Here's the bottom line: The countdown to political change started three months ago. And while we must cross an 18-month desert before getting to that change, we think the upside is worth it. The ride will likely be rough. But you do not invest in Argentina to expect conventional returns. On our way to political change, we expect to double or maybe triple our money.

Claudio Maulhardt is managing partner of Copernico Capital Partners, a dedicated emerging-markets manager with a focus on Latin America. Prior to this, he was a senior vice president of ABN AMRO, where he worked as a Latin American research analyst in Buenos Aires and New York between 1997 and 2002. In 2001, he was recognized by The Wall Street Journal as one of the top bank research analysts. Prior to that, and since 1993, he had worked as an Argentine research analyst for Banco República in Argentina, where he was the co-head of research. Mr. Maulhardt holds a bachelor degree in economics from the Universidad de Buenos Aires. For more information on Copernico, email [email protected]

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Meanwhile, in a building where fire is almost impossible to spread, Argentine Banking System Archives Destroyed By Deadly Fire:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-05...eadly-fire

Nothing here to see. Just move along, folks. Just move along.
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(02-06-2014 10:01 PM)devilhunt7 Wrote:  I was in Argentina in 2003, 04 and 05. It was amazing. I know everyone talks about Argentine women being difficult to approach and impossible to close. Apparently being unable to withdraw your money from the bank is ummm liberalizing. The gentleman's bar "Black" was populated by Doctors and Lawyers. All gorgeous trying to get by. Sitting in a steak house with a buddy and we had several stopping off to give us numbers. It was not because of our outstanding good looks. It was much more economics based. I suggest that now would be an excellent time to take that long wanted trip to BsAs. It really is a cool city. The people are nice, the food is outstanding, the city's architecture is amazing. With the crisis it will be all but free for dollar carriers.

devilhunt7, Black is a whore-bar. If women aproached you and your friend there, it was because they were looking for a client.

As for the dollars, right now, if you come with dollars, you have a great advantage, even with the increasing prices.
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Yes you are correct about Black. That was not where the approaches were made but you could be right about the reason.Puerto Madero during the day. I am sure including reference to Black invited the comment.
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(02-07-2014 09:14 PM)devilhunt7 Wrote:  Yes you are correct about Black. That was not where the approaches were made but you could be right about the reason.Puerto Madero during the day. I am sure including reference to Black invited the comment.

Maybe i mixed up. It was in a steakhouse in Puerto Madero? Maybe it was your looks. PM is a very expensive area of the city, women who goes there either work there, or have money.

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(02-03-2014 03:08 PM)Steve9 Wrote:  
(02-02-2014 11:54 PM)marksoc Wrote:  No need to invest "in Argentina" when you can do the same at home but "in" Argentinean stock (ADRs).

Marksoc, what are your thoughts on Cresud (CRESY)?

Cresud is a very large Argentina-based farm company with about 2.4 million acres of land in Argentina. The company is a farmer of soybeans (making up 56% of its crops), corn (20%) and single digit percentages of sugarcane, sunflower, wheat and other grains. The company has livestock operations in beef cattle ranching, sheep herding and dairy cow milking.

I would not invest in that, because commodities are not going up right now, and soy is one of those that is coming from a high wave, and nobody knows to where it will fall. It all depends on your profile as an investor (short, medium, long) and your aversion to risk, of course. YPF was going up from 10 USD to 33 USD and it was expected to reach 40 USD shortly. However the devaluation and the end of "quantitative easing" in the US, combined with recent measures regarding USD in power of banks in Argentina made the stock plunge to 23-24 USD. BUT, and an important one, YPF is a horse with the mighty Vaca Muerta oil and gas reserves under his hoof. For the middle to long-term (1 year?), I think it is a good investment.
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RE: Argentina might default on debt again.....
Crazy cheap $1600 business class fares to buenos aires throughout the year. Might be the push for me to go down again.
02-13-2014 02:26 PM
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Hah? Wat?

I just booked for a trip next month and the flights were pretty full. Roundtrip from SF to EZE was $1600 in coach. Business class was about $3600-4500.
02-14-2014 12:36 AM
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(02-08-2014 09:35 AM)Mekorig Wrote:  
(02-07-2014 09:14 PM)devilhunt7 Wrote:  Yes you are correct about Black. That was not where the approaches were made but you could be right about the reason.Puerto Madero during the day. I am sure including reference to Black invited the comment.

Maybe i mixed up. It was in a steakhouse in Puerto Madero? Maybe it was your looks. PM is a very expensive area of the city, women who goes there either work there, or have money.

I did some daygame in Puerto Madero a couple of years ago. Saw this pretty girl sitting in one of the park benches facing the water/pier in the shade of a big tree. Sat down on the other end of the bench and engaged her in convo. Found out she was leaving for Cordoba that night to visit her boyfriend. I said something to the effect of "well i guess we don't have that much time..." with a slight smile. She hesitated then responded with "No, no, no..." with a big smile. My place was in san telmo but couldn't figure out how to bounce her. If any of you BsAs experts can chime in and give input for next time, would be appreciated.
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RE: Argentina might default on debt again.....
Great article on Argentina from Economist just came out.

http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/2...ry-decline
02-14-2014 03:51 AM
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