Post: #1

Roosh mentioned something very important in his "7 Things You Can Do To Improve Your Game Right Now" blog post:

Quote:7. Stop Giving Direct Answers

Evade her questions with humor or counter with your own questions instead, withholding for as long as reasonably possible your answers. Not only does this show you aren’t trying to impress her, but it also makes her think you are hiding something. This shady vibe will keep the conversation going and make her curious about what is hiding behind the curtain. You immediately stand out because most men try to appease a girl by immediately answering questions in the hopes she’ll like him. By doing the opposite, she sticks around to figure out who the hell you are (or think you are), but by then it will be too late—your fish hook is in her and you can run deeper game with her full attention.

I agree that this an astoundingly powerful and fun move when conversing with a girl yet I'm still trying to figure out the most consistent, playful and natural way in which I can effectively pull this off.

I experience mixed results when I do this. While I was able to translate the mysterious-guy-frame into a succesful bar hookup a few weeks ago, I sometimes get feeling that I'm exaggerating this technique with other girls so that they might have the feeling I'm notoriously vague, over-the-top ironic and dishonest.

For instance, in December I had this situation:

I'm at a house party, many couples around, few attractive single girls. I get approached by a fairly average, but bangable (if need be) chick in the kitchen. After exchanging names roughly the following conversation ensues.

Her: So, what do you study?
Me: Well, that's a very personal question. What do you think I study?
Her: I don't know.
Me: Shall I give you a hint?
Her: Sure.
Me: It has something to do with people.
Her: That could be anything. Psychology major?
Me: Psychology? What makes you think I'd engage in such a manipulative pseudo-science?
Her: Blabla [We talked about university, common acquaintances, etc. while I kept the frame and only said obviously ironic bullshit stuff like "Don't think I'm disillusioned about life. In fact, I'm a naive idealist."]

Then:

Me: So, how about a smoke and drink on the balcony?
Her [suddenly with a very confused and earnest facial expression]: Is this the first time you say something serious?

She walked off and I wasn't too impressed by that because it was only a half-hearted conversation on my side and I was simultaneously looking out for more attractive girls, in vain.

Still, it made me think about how far can you go with the don't-give-direct-answers-style. Is there a decent indirect/playful/bullshit vs. honest/direct answer ratio to her questions (70/30, 80/20, ...)? If she is already attracted to you, should you always keep that frame anyway or loose up and give her the answers she wants to hear? Do you think it's a good technique to figure out if the girl is stuffy or fun to hang out with?

Opinions, please.

Post: #2

It's not a personal question, dude.

Your vibe should be different on a one-to-one date where some interest is already established, versus a fresh approach where you are just feeling each other out.

You should reply playfully in the fresh approach.
Her: what do you study?
You: I study the different ways in how people in parties hold their glass. For example, the way you are holding your glass...
Her (curiosity piqued): What? What does the way I hold my glass tell you about me?

Her: what do you study?
You: I study underwater basket weaving. It's a very lucrative field.
Her: haha, no really, what do you study?

You're off to the races.

Post: #3

Couple of things

1) sounds like you weren't calibrated with this chick. You couldn't detect what she really needed.

2) this chick sounds messed up, which no game can account for.

3) But the main issue is that by playing keep away and then asking us what the perfect ratio of evasiveness to truth, you've bought into her frame.

You're still trying to jump through her hoops.

Chicks aren't dumb, especially with conversation. If you avoid answers to her questions, you may be trying to hide something. Red Flag in her mind. All guys answer her queries.

Why are you letting her interrogate you?
Why are you reacting?
Why isn't she reacting and being pulled like a puppet on a string?

You need to rethink what is possible with conversation.
Q&A is only good if it serves your purpose.

WIA

Post: #4

Yeah I didn't like your response to her study question OP.

My mate and me having being messing around with the most low value answers we can think of just to mess with girls

- I work at McDonald's - I'm the manager. I'm the boss. But I lead by example and pick up all the pickles on the floor. I have trophies to prove it.

- I work at the wax museum. I dust the mannequins and greet people. I bow to the Asians because I'm the best and what I do. You can't stop me. Do you want to hear me speak Asian. Self-taught

But both of us are dressed very sharply and our cockiness and vibe is unworldly for a menial poorly paid service worker.

I also have gone down the high baller joke responses (astronaut, spy etc) but they aren't as funny - in my opinion.

The girls find it pretty funny because every other dude is trying to impress whereas you and your wing are trying to do the opposite. Low care factor - high status. Keep the girl unbalanced, stir the emotions, then gradually reveal your true self to build trust

Post: #5

(01-16-2014 08:13 AM)augen sehen Wrote:  It's not a personal question, dude.

Just to clarify that: my answer was tongue-in-cheek and expressed in playful manner and she actually smiled a lot at the beginning of our conversation. Hard to convey when you transcribe a dialogue.

Post: #6

Probably helps if you actually have a cool job in real life so your low baller joke is not actually the truth.

Post: #7

Context is everything, which includes...her personality (some chics get annoyed quickly at dodging), your response, the way you say it, what you follow up with (like pickles above...use it as a setup to talk about something interesting / funny), group v individual, setting.

Post: #8

Roissy used to write about this. It has to do with not taking women seriously, which makes you seem dominant (if you do it right), which works for a lot of them. Read his "Everything She Does Is Cute" for details.

The problem with this approach is most American guys don't do it right. They make it come off mean spirited and condescending. You have to add in a healthy dash of ridiculousness to balance out the "asshole game." You can't be the arrogant jock, talking down to people. But nor can you be the asexual court jester.

A good way to get this game down is to study British humor or watch early Beatles press conferences (1963-64), where they put on the press. It helps to be good at puns and double entendre.

Post: #9

It is a very effective game tactic. In the past I tried to impress women, utterly failing. It is dependent on context and frame, but easy to master.

Girl: so, what do you do work on?
Me: lumberjack in the forest

Girl: so, which university did you went to?
Me: I thaught myself in a public library in 3 weeks, like Leo Di Caprio in that movie

Post: #10

Girl: What do you do?
Me (wearing a leather jacket): I'm a kindergarten teacher. I work as a nanny / babysitter on the weekends

Girl: Where do you live?
Me: In a basement. With my grandparents. My parents live upstairs.

Girl: How was your day?
Me: Remarkable. High octane. I found a rare stamp depicting vintage cheese. I licked the back of it and put it on an envelope.

Post: #11

Context is definitely everything when you are trying to be indirect and funny at the same time. You have to hold a strong frame and make her chase you. But it has to be witty not merely aloof I think.

Post: #12

I like not giving straight answers to a girl's question.

The way that you did requires too much effort on her part. No girl's going to play 20 questions with you to guess what you study. Her question is an small expression of interest from her, but making her guess is the wrong play. It doesn't lead into an interesting conversation. You should be more playful, so you can sexualize the conversation.

For example:

Girl- What do you study?
You- Female anatomy mostly