Post: #1

Hello all, this is my first post here, and I can't be sincere enough about how very very glad i am that I've stumbled upon this site. (I was actually researching about traveling Europe.) and I've spent the last 6 months absorbing everything I can to undo my herd mentality. (while doing my best to avoiding the negativity/frustration that often comes up in these websites)

Anyways about me, I'm 20, 6ft white guy at a very large public university, living 20 min off-campus apt with small social circle.

Ive done seven approaches now and ive got 1 number. 2 in class, 2 at oncampus food establishments, 1 in a university building, and 2 stops while walking.

the most comfortable thing to me in my mind is to do an indirect approach about some prop, and then build off that. If a girl has a Prop i can work off of, and is sitting down, I practically have no approach anxiety. These opportunities are not very common as compared to the number of girls generally around though.

I have some questions that hopefully I can get some good advice on so that i can increase the number of approaches i can accomplish.

1. I often see girls on iphones, earphones in, or on a computer, or reading a bood. i really dont know how to open this. any ideas?

2. im focusing on girls who are alone. has approaching pairs yield any good results for yall?

3. There are an astronomical number of girls just walking around, from dorm, to class, to meeting someone. I only had one idea which to approach a girl who is walking which is " where did you that bag? ive been meaning to get a present for my sister" ( lame i know) and on top of that, i had no way to transition it to a personal conversation and the interaction quickly died out.

4. how can you break into social circles on campus? it seems like very few people actually genuinely know (as in face to face on a friendship basis) alot of people. There are alot of people with 500-1000 fb "friends" which not as socially connected as you think theyd ought to be

Post: #2

Welcome to the board. You will benefit best from searching for and reading all of the relevant threads/posts that Giovonny has posted as he's got the most college approach information I've seen on this board, broken down really simply with lots of great conversation examples.

(01-14-2014 07:01 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  1. I often see girls on iphones, earphones in, or on a computer, or reading a bood. i really dont know how to open this. any ideas?

Be confident in directing them to take their earphones out, your body language and approach will be key with the earphones in. If they're just reading a book or on the computer, many more girls than you think will welcome an interruption from a confident 6' dude who has some charm.

(01-14-2014 07:01 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  2. im focusing on girls who are alone. has approaching pairs yield any good results for yall?

I'd keep focusing on girls that are alone as they will be the most straightforward to open, but don't fail to open a girl just because she's with a friend. It's not as easy as approaching a single girl, but it's also not as big a deal as you can make it out to be in your head. You're just a fun friendly/outgoing/confident dude that's bringing them into your world, brightening their day.

(01-14-2014 07:01 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  3. There are an astronomical number of girls just walking around, from dorm, to class, to meeting someone. I only had one idea which to approach a girl who is walking which is " where did you that bag? ive been meaning to get a present for my sister" ( lame i know) and on top of that, i had no way to transition it to a personal conversation and the interaction quickly died out.

Look up the yadstop, realize that you can usually get a girl to at least pause from wherever she's going and have a short conversation with you. Your line isn't lame, but you should be able to open more directly or even just outright saying, "Hey, you caught my eye" and compliment something subtle that most other guys wouldn't. Really, Giovonny is great at this, read his stuff.

(01-14-2014 07:01 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  4. how can you break into social circles on campus? it seems like very few people actually genuinely know (as in face to face on a friendship basis) alot of people. There are alot of people with 500-1000 fb "friends" which not as socially connected as you think theyd ought to be

Learn from the other people that are social. Befriend them. Give value. Networking/socializing is one of the most powerful things in the world. Take a public speaking course or some other class that works on your ability to interact with lots of people. Most people in college are bordering on socially retarded. EVEN some of the most popular people couldn't put together a successful event or a good party to save their lives.

Getting yourself into events and invited to parties isn't that hard in college. Never show up empty handed and learn to work a crowd giving girls just enough where they feel like you're a cool guy and then wonder why you're off not paying attention to them. Put yourself in a position at your college where you're involved with a group or events that gives you authority or power perceived or otherwise over others (and wield it wisely). Girls love men seemingly above them.

I missed most of the college experience, don't be like me and have to learn all this stuff later. You'll be better than most all of the men there having begun to swallow the red pill.

Post: #3

Thank you AneroidOcean! and I have been reading Giovanny's posts as part of my reading. I should refer to his posts more often i suppose if im going to learn.

I dont really have a problem opening girls who are busy with iphone, comp, earplugs etc. but the main issue im having is that i have nothing to work with really.

like I opened one girl who was watching a show. I asked her what show she was watching on her laptop.

But for the most part, I have no ideas on how to engage when I see a girl who is just texting or looking at some unnoteworthy webpage or reading a book/notes ( i dont really do any reading in my free time )

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Im still unsure of trying to do stops. I am pondering that it might be a better idea if i find the places where i actually see people going to. example: people are walk to their next class. instead of stopping them, i could simply go to the places where people wait until they can enter the classroom.

Still learning to stop a girl would be a massively important tool because the opportunity is so abundant. I will look into the Yadstop thank you.

and another question i didnt include.

i had 2 girls who i asked what they were doing , now that the class had ended. they said they were walking to their dorms. but it was sort of implied in a way as in its a sort of private space ?? as in like dont follow me there kind of vibe. do you think this is a sign of disinterest or are they simply not very comfortable around me?

also i talked to some frat guys about a spring rush opportunity. Although entering college i had the typical negative stereotypes about frats in my head, I actually dont have any knowledge or experience with them at all. i would think that this would be a good way to sort of circumvent the B.S. and directly find people that are socially connected. does anyone have experience with frats?

Post: #4

Not trying to hijack Mike's thread, but I have a related question.

The library, and the coffee place attached to it, is filled with hot chicks. They're usually studying or having coffee, or both. Sometimes alone, and often with friends.

It sounds stupid when Im typing it out...but I feel weird about approaching in a small area where lots of people are. I only did 1 approach in the library, and that was because I sat close to their table and there weren't many persons around.

Ill try toget out of my head and push through it...

Post: #5

(01-15-2014 01:07 PM)Frank Wrote:  Not trying to hijack Mike's thread, but I have a related question.

The library, and the coffee place attached to it, is filled with hot chicks. They're usually studying or having coffee, or both. Sometimes alone, and often with friends.

It sounds stupid when Im typing it out...but I feel weird about approaching in a small area where lots of people are. I only did 1 approach in the library, and that was because I sat close to their table and there weren't many persons around.

Ill try toget out of my head and push through it...

Im stumped on this one too. i wouldn't consider it hijacking because its related to the topic at hand. I think its best to try to realize that if you do make the attempt, win or lose, everyone there will be extremely envious of your confidence. Ive noticed people listening in on me simply because im sure they considered doing what i did but did not.

also if you think its weird than you should not approach. you need something to make the interaction natural so when you do actually do it, it becomes natural. These are just my thoughts though, im sure people with alot more experience can help you.

My main issue im having right now is a lack of Prop to work a conversation off of.

Has anyone tried introducing a prop? I was imagining in my head, maybe if i could bring a laptop somewhere and say "do you know how the wifi works in XYZ? im having some problems connecting here" and then you could segway into them being technology experts or whatever and continue into a personal conversation from there.

Post: #6

Another thing is the dynamics of daygame are different. I have little gaming experience as it is, but my night game is much better.

Anyway, the general idea is to not go direct. As direct as it gets is "Excuse me. Hey, I just saw you, and I thought you looked nice. You have a very {insert inane thing about scarf or style or whatever caught your eye here}".

I guess we should both try a few different things until we find something that works for us. This kind of "low energy" gaming is kinda unnatural for me. I'm used to going at it "caveman style", lol. (edit 1: caveman...maybe not the right word; "very cocky" seems more apt)

Edit 2:

Check this out. Very relevant:
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Post: #7

(01-15-2014 02:30 PM)Frank Wrote:  Another thing is the dynamics of daygame are different. I have little gaming experience as it is, but my night game is much better.

Anyway, the general idea is to not go direct. As direct as it gets is "Excuse me. Hey, I just saw you, and I thought you looked nice. You have a very {insert inane thing about scarf or style or whatever caught your eye here}".

I guess we should both try a few different things until we find something that works for us. This kind of "low energy" gaming is kinda unnatural for me. I'm used to going at it "caveman style", lol. (edit 1: caveman...maybe not the right word; "very cocky" seems more apt)

The "low energy" thing is key. In a club or party, you have to be a bit louder to be heard. That kind of energy in normal daylight is spastic. That said, you want to have an edge. Don't be that normal, nice guy. Don't be a Herb.

Have you read "Day Bang"? Roosh addresses the headphone issue, opening in coffee shops, etc. Or you can look at Krauser's site for his day game model, which is where your direct opener is heading. Opening solo girls is easier, but again, don't overthink it too much. Don't let the opener hang you up. If you've got nothing, go direct. So what if you get blown out? Your failure rate is 100% on the girls you DON'T open.

Guys, I'm jealous. College is full of a bunch of chicks who haven't figured out what they want to be when they grow up and mostly aren't that worried about it. The entire month of September is a bunch of kids new on campus trying to establish their social circle. Every semester, there's a new crowd of faces in your classes (especially your core requirements). On top of that, every college student's MO is to party and have fun. You will probably never have another time like this in your life, where you're constantly meeting new people. So I'd be wary of overgaming in this situation, because everyone is out to hook up and have fun, so don't overdo it, you'll come off as try-hard. Having an indirect opener would be fine - ask for help with the wifi, ask where to find a certain building, whatever. You probably realize this, but the thing with indirect is that you have to maintain the convo, otherwise she's just going to answer your question and go back to what she was doing.

Being off campus can be an advantage, since you have a place to bounce to and I hope a private room at your place. Also, can you throw parties there? Get your roomies to throw a party and then just go around inviting random chicks. Being host of a party is great social proof. Frank, that sounds like you can rock it at parties, so start throwing your own parties. That's simple, "hey, you seem cool, we're having a party Saturday, you should come. Give me your number, I'll text you the address. Bring your girlfriends".

Post: #8

(01-14-2014 11:33 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  I have been reading Giovanny's posts as part of my reading. I should refer to his posts more often i suppose if im going to learn.

I have answered all of your questions in the last few years.

It would be nearly impossible for you to find the answers since I have nearly 5000 posts.

I will try to help you..

(01-14-2014 07:01 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  living 20 min off-campus apt with small social circle.

First thing,

Try to live closer to campus.

The closer you are to campus, the more social oppurtunities and logistical advantages you will have.

(01-14-2014 07:01 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  1. I often see girls on iphones, earphones in, or on a computer, or reading a book. i really dont know how to open this. any ideas?

If she have earphones in, refer to this post:

"Overcoming Earphones"

If she is reading a book, ask her about the book.

If she is on a computer, ask her about the computer or the website she is looking at..

Learn to say -- "excuse me, can I ask you something?"

Or, "hey is that a Iphone5?"

Or, "hey, how is the your wifi connextion in here?"

Stuff like that.

Comment on whatever she is looking at or holding in her hands.

(01-14-2014 07:01 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  im focusing on girls who are alone. has approaching pairs yield any good results for yall?

I mostly focus on girls who are by themselves but occasionally I will open a pair. Usually, using the exact same comments/questions that I would if they were by themselves..

(01-14-2014 07:01 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  There are an astronomical number of girls just walking around, from dorm, to class, to meeting someone. I only had one idea which to approach a girl who is walking which is " where did you get that bag?

I have banged a few girls by asking them about their bag.

I have also banged girls by commenting on their pants, shoes, hair, etc, etc.

Refer to this post for specific examples:

"Situational Openers"

(01-14-2014 07:01 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  how can you break into social circles on campus?

Focus on your own personal strengths, interests, and passions. Get involved in those things.

Like sports? Play intramurals or join a club team.

Like music? Join a band or music club.

Like to party? Go to parties and go crazy.

Like Acting? Join the theatre department.

Find the people who share your interests.

(01-14-2014 11:33 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  I dont really have a problem opening girls who are busy with iphone, comp, earplugs etc. but the main issue im having is that i have nothing to work with really.

I already answered this above ^

Comment on whatever she is looking at, holding in her hands, or wearing on her body..

Keep it simple.

Tons of examples here:

"The Approach Thread"

"Open This Chick"

(01-14-2014 11:33 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  I opened one girl who was watching a show. I asked her what show she was watching on her laptop.

Perfect!

(01-14-2014 11:33 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  example: people are walk to their next class. instead of stopping them, i could simply go to the places where people wait until they can enter the classroom.

Yes, if the situation is not advantagous for an approach. Wait, follow her until she gets into a more approachable environment.

I follow girls all the time.

(01-14-2014 11:33 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  Still learning to stop a girl would be a massively important tool because the opportunity is so abundant.

You don't always have to stop them. You can just walk ALONGSIDE them and open them as you are walking in the same direction.

This is often easier than stopping them.

If you want her to stop, just say -- "excuse me" and have your question/comment ready.

(01-14-2014 11:33 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  do you think this is a sign of disinterest or are they simply not very comfortable around me?

I think that you just met these girls, they don't know you, so, they didn't they are not ready to invite you back to their dorm room.

Just get friendly with them, build the friendship and maybe they will invite you next time. Or, if you guys become friends, you can invite them to do something sometime..

Be patient. You will see these girls over and over again..

With many of them, you can use a more long term type of game.

Let them observe you over a course of time, give them a chance to get to know you.

Read this one:

"A Softer Approach Strategy"

(01-14-2014 11:33 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  does anyone have experience with frats?

I was never in a frat but my friends who were in popular frats got tons of easy p*ssy.

Frats are good for girls if its a popular frat who parties with the soroities.

Assuming your school has an active "greek life"..

(01-15-2014 01:07 PM)Frank Wrote:  I feel weird about approaching in a small area where lots of people are.

I feel weird about this too.. I try to approach quietly or wait for them to move to a better location. When they get up to leave, I often meet them at the door and pretend that am leaving at that exact moment also.

(01-14-2014 11:33 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  make the interaction natural

Yes!

That is the whole key to all of this!!!

The approach must FEEL NATURAL! For her, especially.

It might feel weird to you because you are inexperienced but if you follow my advice and practice a few hundred times, you will feel confident in doing it and she will not get any "weird vibes" from you.

Be simple. Be natural.

(01-14-2014 11:33 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  Has anyone tried introducing a prop?

I always use props.

I carry a laptop bag on campus.

I carry shopping bags at the mall.

Anything she is holding or looking at is a prop.

The weather can be a prop.

Many guys use cigarettes and lighters as props.

The whole world is your prop if you care to make a comment about something you see.

Finally, read this post/thread:

This might be the best advice I can give you:

"Choke Points On Campus"

P.S. Have fun and remember that the goal is not to get a number or a date or even sex. The goal is to remove all fear that you have in regards to talking to strange women in public. When all that fear is removed, numbers, dates, and bangs becomes easy.

Post: #9

(01-15-2014 04:58 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(01-14-2014 11:33 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  I have been reading Giovanny's posts as part of my reading. I should refer to his posts more often i suppose if im going to learn.

I have answered all of your questions in the last few years.

It would be nearly impossible for you to find the answers since I have nearly 5000 posts.

I will try to help you..

(01-14-2014 07:01 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  living 20 min off-campus apt with small social circle.

First thing,

Try to live closer to campus.

The closer you are to campus, the more social oppurtunities and logistical advantages you will have.

(01-14-2014 07:01 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  1. I often see girls on iphones, earphones in, or on a computer, or reading a book. i really dont know how to open this. any ideas?

If she have earphones in, refer to this post:

"Overcoming Earphones"

If she is reading a book, ask her about the book.

If she is on a computer, ask her about the computer or the website she is looking at..

Learn to say -- "excuse me, can I ask you something?"

Or, "hey is that a Iphone5?"

Or, "hey, how is the your wifi connextion in here?"

Stuff like that.

Comment on whatever she is looking at or holding in her hands.

(01-14-2014 07:01 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  im focusing on girls who are alone. has approaching pairs yield any good results for yall?

I mostly focus on girls who are by themselves but occasionally I will open a pair. Usually, using the exact same comments/questions that I would if they were by themselves..

(01-14-2014 07:01 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  There are an astronomical number of girls just walking around, from dorm, to class, to meeting someone. I only had one idea which to approach a girl who is walking which is " where did you get that bag?

I have banged a few girls by asking them about their bag.

I have also banged girls by commenting on their pants, shoes, hair, etc, etc.

Refer to this post for specific examples:

"Situational Openers"

(01-14-2014 07:01 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  how can you break into social circles on campus?

Focus on your own personal strenghs, interests, and passions. Get involved in those things.

Like sports? Play intramurals or join a club team.

Like music? Join a band or music club.

Like to party? Go to parties and go crazy.

Like Acting? Join the theatre department.

Find the people who share your interests.

(01-14-2014 11:33 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  I dont really have a problem opening girls who are busy with iphone, comp, earplugs etc. but the main issue im having is that i have nothing to work with really.

I already answered this above ^

Comment on whatever she is looking at, holding in her hands, or wearing on her body..

Keep it simple.

Tons of examples here:

"The Approach Thread"

"Open This Chick"

(01-14-2014 11:33 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  I opened one girl who was watching a show. I asked her what show she was watching on her laptop.

Perfect!

(01-14-2014 11:33 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  example: people are walk to their next class. instead of stopping them, i could simply go to the places where people wait until they can enter the classroom.

Yes, if the situation is not advantagous for an approach. Wait, follow her until she gets into a more approachable environment.

I follow girls all the time.

(01-14-2014 11:33 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  Still learning to stop a girl would be a massively important tool because the opportunity is so abundant.

You don't always have to stop them. You can just walk ALONGSIDE them and open them as you are walking in the same direction.

This is often easier than stopping them.

If you want her to stop, just say -- "excuse me" and have your question/comment ready.

(01-14-2014 11:33 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  do you think this is a sign of disinterest or are they simply not very comfortable around me?

I think that you just met these girls, they don't know you, so, they didn't they are not ready to invite you back to their dorm room.

Just get friendly with them, build the freindship and maybe they will invite you next time. Or, if you guys become friends, you can invite them to do something sometime..

Be patient. You will see these girls over and over again..

With many of them, you can use a more long term type of game.

Let them observe you over a course of time, give them a chance to get to know you.

Read this one:

"A Softer Approach Strategy"

(01-14-2014 11:33 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  does anyone have experience with frats?

I was never in a frat but my friends who were in popular frats got tons of easy p*ssy.

Frats are good for girls if its a polular frat who parties with the soroities.

Assuming your school has an active "greek life"..

(01-15-2014 01:07 PM)Frank Wrote:  I feel weird about approaching in a small area where lots of people are.

(01-14-2014 11:33 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  make the interaction natural

Yes!

That is the whole key to all of this!!!

The approach must FEEL NATURAL! For her, especielly.

It might feel weird to you because you are inexperienced but if you follow my advice and practice a few hundred times, you will feel confident in doing it and she will not get any "weird vibes" from you.

Be simple. Be natural.

(01-14-2014 11:33 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  Has anyone tried introducing a prop?

I always use props.

I carry a laptop bag on campus.

I carry shopping bags at the mall.

Anything she is holding or looking at is a prop.

The weather can be a prop.

Many guys use cigarettes and lighters as props.

The whole world is your prop if you care to make a comment about something you see.

Finally, read this post/thread:

This might be the best advice I can give you:

"Choke Points On Campus"

P.S. Have fun and remember that the goal is not to get a number or a date or even sex. The goal is to remove all fear that you have in regards to talking to strange women in public. When all that fear is removed, numbers, dates, and bangs becomes easy.

Good lord. This is some vital info for college students. Good info for just walking around downtown.

Post: #10

(01-15-2014 05:08 PM)CThunder86 Wrote:  Good lord. This is some vital info for college students. Good info for just walking around downtown.

Agreed. And Giovonny isn't even a college student, he's just pretending to be one. Imagine if you actually are the right age group, a student on campus that learns more about the social networks there, etc...

Gio is killing it with his advice. I need to get back into the local community college for a guitar class or another photo class, reminded of this every time Gio posts.

Post: #11

Gio, killing it as usual. I think most of the advice regarding Day Game, and night game to an extent has been covered. College, and the game dynamics are something that I've looked into and A LOT, experienced on several spectrums, and am actually working on a book about it now.

Unfortunately, you're 20 minutes off campus. Like Gio said, live closer. This is HUGE. The reason for this is to get laid and have an awesome time in college, you need to lock down a social circle. You ask how you can break into a social circle? Don't! Make your own! Take the friends you have now and plan events. Be the facilitator of fun. When you meet a girl in class or at the coffee shop, imo it's better to suggest her meeting up with you at a party or a bar (fuck you're only 20), as opposed to a date. In fact, I think cold approaching is a much less effective way to get laid in college, as opposed to a social circle. I was in a fraternity and there wasn't much cold approaching involved.

Like you pointed out, few people do actually have impressive social circles, social lives, let alone sex lives. Why? Because people are complacent with having a close group of a dozen or so friends (guys and girls). The girls they will fuck in college will be from THIS social circle only, they will RARELY cold approach, and if they do they'll be piss drunk. They'll be lucky to fuck 3-4 girls in college, if that. That's the truth. The myth of everyone getting laid in college is for people in the Greek scene, or someone who has created their own social circle. If it's too late for the former, you've gotta work on the latter. Take matters into your own hands.

It shouldn't be too difficult. I see you're not 21 yet, so that rules out bars, that really sucks ass! Haha sorry to keep rubbing it in. Just find ways to create events, invite your friends, and new people to them. Do this week every week and you'll slowly start to build a social circle. You wanna be THAT GUY, the guy who's got his shit together and has parties. A la Van Wilder, but make sure to keep your grades in check.

College can be a scary place, because people feel like their missing out. 80% of guys are "missing out". Dude, do you know how many college guys cold approach during the day?? Nearly zero, pat yourself on the back man. Keep that up in the meantime, while slowly building a social circle of your own.

I could go on all day, and will in my book haha. If you have any more specific questions I'd love to help out.

Post: #12

(01-15-2014 06:53 PM)Seth_Rose Wrote:  Gio, killing it as usual. I think most of the advice regarding Day Game, and night game to an extent has been covered. College, and the game dynamics are something that I've looked into and A LOT, experienced on several spectrums, and am actually working on a book about it now.

Unfortunately, you're 20 minutes off campus. Like Gio said, live closer. This is HUGE. The reason for this is to get laid and have an awesome time in college, you need to lock down a social circle. You ask how you can break into a social circle? Don't! Make your own! Take the friends you have now and plan events. Be the facilitator of fun. When you meet a girl in class or at the coffee shop, imo it's better to suggest her meeting up with you at a party or a bar (fuck you're only 20), as opposed to a date. In fact, I think cold approaching is a much less effective way to get laid in college, as opposed to a social circle. I was in a fraternity and there wasn't much cold approaching involved.

Like you pointed out, few people do actually have impressive social circles, social lives, let alone sex lives. Why? Because people are complacent with having a close group of a dozen or so friends (guys and girls). The girls they will fuck in college will be from THIS social circle only, they will RARELY cold approach, and if they do they'll be piss drunk. They'll be lucky to fuck 3-4 girls in college, if that. That's the truth. The myth of everyone getting laid in college is for people in the Greek scene, or someone who has created their own social circle. If it's too late for the former, you've gotta work on the latter. Take matters into your own hands.

It shouldn't be too difficult. I see you're not 21 yet, so that rules out bars, that really sucks ass! Haha sorry to keep rubbing it in. Just find ways to create events, invite your friends, and new people to them. Do this week every week and you'll slowly start to build a social circle. You wanna be THAT GUY, the guy who's got his shit together and has parties. A la Van Wilder, but make sure to keep your grades in check.

College can be a scary place, because people feel like their missing out. 80% of guys are "missing out". Dude, do you know how many college guys cold approach during the day?? Nearly zero, pat yourself on the back man. Keep that up in the meantime, while slowly building a social circle of your own.

I could go on all day, and will in my book haha. If you have any more specific questions I'd love to help out.

Thank you Gio !!! You are seriously invaluable to me and basically anyone in college on this board !! and thanks Seth_Rose i really appreciate all the help im getting on this board. its amazing.

I will start saving your posts to my computer so i can read them constantly and ingrain the ideas.

My plan for next semester is to live just either live in a dorm or just off campus within walking distance. This will be fairly easy to achieve because me and my brother are planning to move out of our current apartment anyhow.

Ive only been doing approaches for 4-5 days now (sparingly, not even going all out) and i feel like im literally the only one doing this. its like i dont have any competition at all. Im kind of an introverted calculating person. Im not exactly sure i could pull off night game as of yet. And walking around campus is free and im already there

Post: #13

Are you at a big university?
On Fridays at the Big State U here there is a "International Coffee Hour" -- just time to mingle and socialize. Great for getting to meet non-Americanized chicks. I'd think most big universities have something like this.

Plus, there are literally hundreds of clubs you can join.

While not much of a 'joiner' myself, I was involved in college radio, and did have noteworthy results.

Funny side story:

There was this chick that I knew had a crush on me. She also had a crush on a particular radio DJ's voice. She didn't realize they were one and the same person.

Bang accomplished.

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(01-15-2014 09:48 PM)Sombro Wrote:  Are you at a big university?
On Fridays at the Big State U here there is a "International Coffee Hour" -- just time to mingle and socialize. Great for getting to meet non-Americanized chicks. I'd think most big universities have something like this.

Plus, there are literally hundreds of clubs you can join.

While not much of a 'joiner' myself, I was involved in college radio, and did have noteworthy results.

Funny side story:

There was this chick that I knew had a crush on me. She also had a crush on a particular radio DJ's voice. She didn't realize they were one and the same person.

Bang accomplished.

Yes Im at one of the largest U's in the nation

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I really don't know shit but I highly advocate joining a fraternity. I've done so and it's one of the best ways to meet ridiculous amounts of people at your school. My chapter has atleast 70 brothers and you immediately get access to all the sorority girls through mixers or even just seeing them around campus and chatting them up.

I don't really even approach on campus because I can rely almost entirely on the fraternity and the bars to meet women.

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(01-14-2014 07:01 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  3. There are an astronomical number of girls just walking around, from dorm, to class, to meeting someone. I only had one idea which to approach a girl who is walking which is " where did you that bag? ive been meaning to get a present for my sister" ( lame i know) and on top of that, i had no way to transition it to a personal conversation and the interaction quickly died out.

There's no such thing as lame opener. The opener is meant to just a conversation, not to make the girl fall in love with you in 10 seconds. It's all about the follow through. So don't panic. The real skill is leading conversationally. So no matter what you open with you should be able to steer in a whatever direction you want. That's what you want.

Random example of innocent fun flirty conversation. Notice changing topics and overall leading. It doesn't even matter what girls say cause you just change topics and set your own rhythm. No waiting for her to do it for you or expecting any responsibility on her part for doing it for you [that's why dots=girl's input, it can be whatever]:

where did you that bag? ive been meaning to get a present for my sister ... one moment, let me look at it for one second ... ummm i don't know, i'm looking for something classy ... i'm just joking it really fits you eyes, i guess it looks better on you ... hey that's weird but you even look like my sister in a way, shit, now we can't really talk like I would with an attractive girl ... it's so bad, it's like I'm flirting with my sister, we shouldn't even talk like that ... i can't help it i'm getting lost in the moment ... it's getting worse and worse ... what's your name? i'm xyz ... how often do you do it? ... how often do you flirt with guys asking you simple questions? ...

You can even practice opening and transitioning on friends. For example, when you meet with your friend, look at him/her, pick something you see to have something to riff off, comment on that and then try to actively lead that convo in some direction you choose. The key phrase is LEADING. Sure, you want to be responsive and 'present' but purposefully steer that convo by misinterpreting responses, cutting off distracting threads, starting new threads, reframing so that it sounds in your favor, etc. It will help massively.

Anyway...

Conversational skills -> /thread-14643-...#pid243186

Rambling forever -> /thread-25975.html

Transitioning from indirect to whatever you want -> /thread-31002-...#pid609679

Good luck!

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(01-15-2014 04:58 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Learn to say -- "excuse me, can I ask you something?"

I take back this piece of advice..

Don't say this!

Only experienced guys can say this WITHOUT IT sounding needy.

Most guys will come across as needy when saying this..

When I say it, I balance out the "need" with a strong frame and a bit of a"cocky-funny" vibe.

"Excuse me" is asking permission of the girl.

90% of the time, you are better off NOT asking permission and just going ahead and saying what you want to say to her. [i](as long as you get a little eye contact first, smile/smirk at her so she knows you are there, and approach her from the front or side-front; don't surprise or startle her with your comment; let her see you first, then speak)

10% of the time, there is an element of class and social grace that might make it okay to say it, as long as you back it up with some strong masculine energy.

*****

Also, mickeyd, read this one:

"The Fake Phone Call Move"

A lot of guys have had success with this trick.

You will find situations where this move helps a lot.

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Quote:"excuse me, can I ask you something?"

I get that line from panhandlers. Not the kind of people you want to learn openers from.

"Excuse me, can I ask you something?"

Say "You just did," and keep walking.

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Damn Gio, I'd pay you to jump into a time machine, travel back a few decades and have a talk with my young, clueless self, lol!

Great stuff!

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I do a lot of this

I'll post some info about this

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(01-16-2014 01:28 PM)Sombro Wrote:  

Quote:"excuse me, can I ask you something?"

I get that line from panhandlers. Not the kind of people you want to learn openers from.

"Excuse me, can I ask you something?"

Say "You just did," and keep walking.

Excellent advice. Communications consultant and author Leil Lowndes experimented with this when paying compliments to strangers in NYC. As soon as you say "Excuse me, can I ask you something?" people recoil and put up their guard. Instead, just ask your question or make a comment while appearing to be genuinely interested. It disarms the other person and often times they'll be more than happy to talk to you.
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Let me bud in here and add an opener that is pretty much universal in a college campus. I use this to open girls at my school all the time like 95% of the time. I've have become so attached to this opener and although it's just an opener i like it because it's under the radar and yea the rest is going to depend on your conversational skills, but this is just in case you can't find any prop or anything else that comes to mind, it's my default.

Usually i use this when i see a lonely girl sitting in a bench or a table anywhere in campus, you cant try it while their walking also but i find it to work better when they are sitting and i sit near them. I take my phone out and act like im using it (or actually use it), with a confused expression on my face. then i deliver it: "Excuse me, do you get WiFi connection here?" "Excuse me" is optional of course. I'll let her respond, then i usually follow up with "... or maybe my phone just sucks" or something along those lines. It usually starts a conversations about phones and electronics which i turn playful or i just change the subject and ramble some more.

In all this is my #1 opener in campus, simple, under the radar, efficient.

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Is there any way to tell if a girl has a boyfriend?? im literally having 60% of the girls telling me they have a boyfriend when the interaction ends ( she has to go to class or whatever). I have no reason to think they are lying because the interactions im having are very positive. I guess the prettier and nicer the girl is the more likely she is locked down im seeing.