Post: #76

Agree that the second wife is beautiful. At times very funny, Jonah Hill particularly so, I think he is a legitimately funny actor. I agree with early posters that drugs can help fuel high achievers. Mostly a fun movie, not to be taken seriously. Interesting dichotomy raised between the lead and the fbi agent. One chases pleasure the other is guided by conviction, both take success very seriously. The question of course is which life would you rather lead? The subway car or the ferrari? Do you think the wife had every right to leave or was she only in it for the good times? We see Leonardo turn into an animal when beating his wife after his world is utterly crushed. Good flick, would watch again.

Post: #77

(01-21-2014 01:34 AM)Valhalla Wrote:  It's a great movie, but I wouldn't say it's redpill per se

The guy is an idiot and made a lot of mistakes.

But its an excellent film

I haven't seen the film yet, but from the little I've read about him, I don't think "idiot" would be a very accurate description.

What am I missing here?

Post: #78

(01-21-2014 02:11 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 01:34 AM)Valhalla Wrote:  It's a great movie, but I wouldn't say it's redpill per se

The guy is an idiot and made a lot of mistakes.

But its an excellent film

I haven't seen the film yet, but from the little I've read about him, I don't think "idiot" would be a very accurate description.

What am I missing here?

Without giving too much away, the protagonist suffers from the Madonna/Whore complex, particularly with his second wife. Near the end he...well, nevermind. Just go see it.

Also, i agree with a commentor above. The ending is damn near perfect. I felt like the director was us all what really drove him to become great at his craft.

Post: #79

Belfort is far from an idiot. He is an alpha male blessed with massive testosterone & drive but he couldn't harness his power. I think it's a real red-pill lesson. Just because you have the power doesn't mean self-control isn't a necessity to keep you from getting bitten in the ass.

There's even a brilliant scene where you think Belfort is being controlled by his wife's pussy but he actually is one step ahead of her (security camera scene).

Post: #80

1) For those calling Belfort/ the character of Befort an idiot, or a beta, or blue-pill ... the reason is that society has ingrained in his mind that part of the path to absolute success includes marrying a top shelf type girl. "get the money, get the power, then get the girl" Marriage is just supposed to be what people do, and especially for a very young guy like him, who has suddenly come into wealth, he believes that it is an ACHIEVEMENT for him to get the girl to say YES...like she would ever reject commitment from a guy like him. This is because women are pedestal-ised in society. Belfort does not realize that she can't say no to such a high caliber commitment. This is the difference between "blue pill" and "beta". We are brain washed by this society, and things that later seem obvious are so far from that otherwise. Belfort is no beta/dweeb. He has all the necessary SKILLS to succeed, but he just doesn't know he can use them yet. Kind of like Neo before he jumps off the building for the first time. [or dodges bullet, flies, or knows kung fu]

2)Jonah hill is great. Superbad was and will be one of the greatest young person comedies of all time. Have seen it about 30 times.

Post: #81

Wall Street
Boiler Room
The Social Network
Scarface
Wolf of Wall Street

The ruthless and ravenous chase of material wealth and power and ultimate literal (shotgun to back after doing a mountain of yeyo) or metaphorical demise (prison).....

....these are my favorite types of movies. Keeps me sharp and motivated and wary.

I thought it was pretty funny when the real Jordan Belfort introduced Leo at the end at that seminar. If you've heard this guy talk he's a lot more manic, abrasive, and annoying to listen to than Leo was in that film.

Also, having watched a lot of Jordan's videos, I don't think anything in that movie was an exaggeration. I do think basically all of that happened.

Great movie. Hilarious.

Post: #82

I just watched the interview of him.

The guy seems like a natural sociopath. He talks in a way that's incredibly narcissistic and this shows confidence and makes people believe in you.

Belfort is an example of how you can prey on weak minded beta males, see: everyone saying how great he was. He is goodlooking snake oil salesman who for the most part used his stolen money to get everything: respect, hookers/gold diggers, big circle of friends, fancy cars and things.

Watch "Boiler Room" to get a better idea of what Belfort was like. For the most part he employed Beta males who worshipped him like a God. Not to mention the fact that he has no shame about it makes him a sociopath...

Post: #83

Some spoilers below.

A lot of shit I didn't like about this film, but I suppose it was entertaining. A lot of shitty acting, and I felt there was just way too much dragging scenes on as well as including unnecessary ones.

Most of what I didn't like was perhaps due to just not liking the character though. I find it really painful to watch movies where:

- People fuck themselves by their own stupidity rather than just getting caught because the cops do their job or an understandable mistake. I just have a hard time respecting the character, especially if it's based on a real person. I mean, how does anyone making that kind of cash doing illegal stuff not do their homework to figure out how to be smarter about everyday shit (phones, etc) and how to deal with the cops when they're after you? I did feel like some of the dumb shit may have been exaggerated for the film though.

- People who fail to get out at the peak when they have every chance to and the ship they're on is destined to go down. Yes, you were at the top of the world and it's hard to leave that, but with that type of dough there are also other legal, ethical new directions you could go in life. Time for a new project to apply your energy to if it's at the point were it's going to swallow you and your life whole, especially when you have a family.

- People who turn rat and sell out their friends.

Maybe none of this could have been avoided in the film because it's how the true story went, but I just didn't feel like the character was likable enough (on top of being a con-artist) to make it worth going along for that particular ride. The book would probably do me better because I'd find it easier to empathize with his thought process along the way and find out what really went down leading up to it all exploding.

Also, how did the fact that Tommy Chong ended up being his cellmate and convince him to write the book not make its way into the movie? LOL

Honestly, besides all the things that irked me about the character, there just seemed like something flat about this movie. I could tell Scorsese was trying to make it an epic film like Casino or something, but it felt too forced. Just didn't flow the way it should.

To add insult to injury, I don't think the copy I picked up here in Cambodia showed the boobies. Fuck.

I guess one thing I can say about watching is it made me want to go make a shitload of cash!

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #84

What do you guys think of Leonardo De Caprio? He is getting all the best roles at the moment (Scorsese loves him and Tarantino used him alot in his last film).

I am still not convinced by him. I think he gets a free pass since the best directors seem to rate him - but I am not so sure.

Post: #85

(03-02-2014 02:06 AM)cardguy Wrote:  What do you guys think of Leonardo De Caprio? He is getting all the best roles at the moment (Scorsese loves him and Tarantino used him alot in his last film).

I am still not convinced by him. I think he gets a free pass since the best directors seem to rate him - but I am not so sure.

DiCaprio is a charismatic guy, but both he and this film were over the top. I was expecting a more serious film. I've noticed this in other films, but it was particularly true of this one that DiCaprio made a higher priority of stealing the show than he did of playing a believable character.

Post: #86

(03-02-2014 02:06 AM)cardguy Wrote:  What do you guys think of Leonardo De Caprio? He is getting all the best roles at the moment (Scorsese loves him and Tarantino used him alot in his last film).

I am still not convinced by him. I think he gets a free pass since the best directors seem to rate him - but I am not so sure.

In some films Dicaprio has really blown me away. I especially liked him in his younger days - Basketball Diaries, What's Eating Gilbert Grape.

In some of the later movies he's become less convincing. Comes across a bit cheesy.

I thought he did the tortured role well in The Departed, but at the same time I was struggling with wrapping my mind around the idea of Dicaprio as a tough guy.

I don't understand why every male who catches on in Hollywood ends up getting pushed into tough guy roles eventually even if nothing about them is tough...

There are plenty of other characters needed out there.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #87

I liked the movie...crazy to think that all that shit actually happened. The fratboy environment that corporate America used to condone likely made working long hours far more tolerable. The wedding scene had me cracking up, I was watching Leo dancing like...Damn, dude is gettin it!





Hahaha, look at that poplocking.

Post: #88

I'll give Leonardo the Best Actor Oscar for the Lemmons scene alone, ha.

Post: #89

(03-02-2014 11:52 AM)thirty-six Wrote:  I'll give Leonardo the Best Actor Oscar for the Lemmons scene alone, ha.

If you get a copy of the film, pause the scene when he's driving his Lambo whilst under the influence.

Some of the faces he makes are classic

Post: #90

Just saw this movie...late to the party I know.

Very entertaining but way too long, as is usually the case with Scorcese films. That being said, it's probably in the top 3 of his best films IMO (the other 2 being Casino and Goodfellas)

Post: #91

Margot Robbie is gorgeous.