Post: #1

Roosh whote a post about epidemic of thirsty men.

I would like to find out, what happens to total bangs equilibrium when described effects take place.

In my own game I face a lot of no's, which comes mostly from 7+ girls with iPhones.
These no's mean that supply of bangs from hot girls at the market is low.
And if we don't get all the bangs, bangs go somewhere else.

So few questions.
1. Where do bangs (7+) go?
First, I guess they go to harem leaders and players with good numbers game.
Second, each harem leader when has just one bang "eats" 10 bangs from bangs market. Girls fall in love and are locked into such a guy.
And it means that total number of bangs goes down.

2. Do incoming iPhone and FB likes substitute sex for girls? My guess is yes. Incoming likes force them to raise benchmark and enjoy waiting.

What are your ideas and understanding of what is actual state of the market?
When we face bad conversion rates - who is our competitor and who "ate" our bangs?

Post: #2

Girls like validation. Some girls, sex = validation, especially the ones that feel the need to constantly validate themselves by fucking dudes. Thirst gives that validation, so they feel "higher status" than what they should be. In short, it gives those low-confidence girls that fuck any halfway decent guy less incentive to fuck. They get selective.

1) To the dude not paying attention to them
2) smartphones don't really do anything but make things harder for everyone. If you can get another guy, a fan club on your Instagram, FB etc. you'll be selective because you have options right...?
For as useful as they are as a communication tool, it's a double edged sword.

Post: #3

The incidence of soft harems and celibate betas has been greatly overstated in the manosphere. Everyone, betas included, is having more sex than ever before; it's just that players are having even more.

Lots of women do temporarily get into soft harem situations with players, but eventually they want something more. And if they can't get their too choice to commit, they will move on and find someone who will. This is why keeping a team together for any extended period of time is almost impossible.

The one thing that is changing is that some women are willing to be single for longer and longer periods of time. And people in general are delaying marriage longer, which means more time playing the field.

Post: #4

I believe that j r is wrong here. The numbers have been crunched, and they match the observation that kolya has presented. The top 3% men get roughly 28% of all bangs, while the top 25% men get a staggering 76% of all bangs. The other 75% of men are left to fight for the remaining quarter.

Such incredible sexual disparity hasn't been seen since the caveman times. It also means that most "good girls" with low partner counts (0-1/year) sleep almost exclusively with alphas who are already drowning in sex - they're just more cautious about it, so they accumulate numbers slower.

Note: numbers are unaffected by the standard female propensity towards reducing partner counts - it is the relative distribution that counts

Post: #5

I don't buy it. I live in Washington DC, ground zero for all the behavior that the manosphere complains about. And betas here still get laid. They go on dates. They get girlfriends. They get married. Lots of beta dudes even manage to pull chicks who are better-looking then they are.

The numbers from the other post are only about the people at the top of the notch count. Yes, players are getting more ass than ever. And sluts are banging more dudes than ever. Sex isn't a zero sum game though. There aren't a fixed number of bangs. The total quantity increases, but the players capture more of the surplus. Sexual liberation operates like economic liberalization. However, everyone is having more sex. You really think that the average dude in the 1950s had a higher notch count than the average dude today?

You can argue that dudes are having to settle for women with higher notch counts, but that's a different argument.

Post: #6

It's sad that a woman can get more love and attention from pics and text on a screen than a real life man right in front of her. It's hard to compete with that. It makes sense that asshole game could break through. You're forcing them to feel something other than ass kissing attention. Attention is like drug addiction. The first high is the best and you keep chasing that high but you'll never feel it again no matter how far down that road you go. That's why men shelter women. To keep them from chasing the high and becoming outright whores.

Post: #7

I'm always amazed at how the community can both believe in a scarcity of hot women and at the same time have an abundance mentality.

There is no crisis.

Her problem isn't options, it's TOO many options. And many of the options she has chosen in the past, do not lead to that thing that she wants.

What does she want?
Even she doesn't know.

WIA

Post: #8

I'm not saying that we are experiencing a scarcity of hot women. Most of us here are comfortably in the top 25% mentioned and have no such problem. The average man... well, not so much. And while the average man might have had less sexual partners in the 50's, I'm still certain that he had more sex overall. IMO, the fact that Beta men indeed do get some breadcrumbs that roll off our feast table is not very comforting to them. I also see them going on dates and getting married, but that doesn't mean that they're getting laid much, or at all.

The numbers I cited have the same distribution no matter how you look at them; even if you assume that men are lying their asses off and the most promiscuous players don't have more partners than the most promiscuous sluts, the result is still that a minority of men gets the huge majority of sex (because all the other categories are so strongly slanted too). Instead of 25% of men enjoying 75% of sex, it drops down to cca 60% - still hardly enough that the 75% of men fighting over the remaining 40% of women could not be said to live in a sexual wasteland.

Post: #9

How can you be certain that dudes had more sex in the 50s? Do you have some daa about how many times a week dudes were banging their wives?

The numbers you're quoting don't mean what you claim. Sex is not a zero sum game. The total number of sexual partners that women have us increasing. So, the top men get more of those notches, but betas still have more shots at sex then they were getting before when women were banging two or three dudes in their whole lifetimes. Maybe it's not fair, but any herb who wants to can easily start making positive changes that will start paying pussy dividends immediately.

Post: #10

I think the odds of a beta going from 0 to 1 or 1 to 2 lifetime girls is about the same. He used to have to wife up, had to. But the odds he can increase that to 3+ have gone way up.

Post: #11

I appreciate what thirsty men are doing because it helps me stand out even more.

Post: #12

The other thing I've noticed is that the thirstiest men aren't the men who never get laid. The men who hardly get laid are usually too fucking scared to even talk to women or show any sexual interest.

Thirsty dudes are often minor players. They approach relentlessly and have low standards, so they do get laid. A dude throws a whole bunch of bullshit lines and pauedo-romantic crap at a desperate 6 and she bangs him despite his pitiful game and then the guy thinks he is a major pimp so he keeps doing more of the same.