Post: #51

One thing I don't like about the "women can't be trusted" sentiment is that it seems really hypocritical to me. I mean, honestly, how many men can be trusted? It's extremely hard to meet male friends you can put any faith in for the long run, right? Even bros you do accept and trust will eventually let you down at some point, if only out of momentary human weakness - they say you're lucky if you make it to the end of your life with even a few really good friends still intact.

And as far as relationships are concerned, a lot of guys given the opportunity will also cheat on there bishes. In fact, I don't think there's even one study out there that shows women being more unfaithful than men.

You could come up with arguments for these studies being flawed, but if you want to try and claim they're all flawed or honestly believe the real stats are anywhere close to 100% you may be clinging a little hard to your negative preconceived notions.

I mean, think about it. Most men on here are pretty sexed, I'd say. How many of us if we had the sexual power of women wouldn't be cheating as much as possible? If we could snap our fingers and get laid whenever we wanted (which I acknowledge some guys here about can), I'd say we'd be cheating far more often than women and lying about it more too (though we'd be more likely to get caught since we tend to suck at lying).

The stats already show us doing it more so think about what it would look like if our barriers to "entry" were lower....

Hell, I'm a lying little slut too - or at least under the influence of alcohol I always slept around and then lied to cover my tracks in the morning (I hardly ever cheated when sober). But I don't think I've ever been in a relationship I haven't strayed from at least once. I've kissed girlfriends with another pussy on my breath, come home from ex's houses to crawl in bed with my current, "lost" my phone, lied my ass off when confronted, cultivated girls on the back burner in case things didn't work out, banged women without telling them I was taken, flirted relentlessly, cheated on women (even a fiance) I was in love with, hooked up with their friends, and all of the above.

And I've seen lots of my buddies do it too. If they've got game and opportunities present themselves, they partake, especially if a bit of booze is involved. So kind of hard to take guys seriously who just point the finger at the nature of females.

There are also men out there who legitimately won't cheat no matter what - I've seen these guys truly hold strong and was surprised by it - and I feel the same is true for women. It used to be that men cheated more but the figures have gotten closer to each other in modern times, most likely because women are more promiscuous now than they were in the past. Given that I know and have witnessed faithful men, I don't think women should mistrust all men or make blanket statements about us based on my own behavior.

If anything, it's a human thing not a gender thing. And even then it's nowhere near all men or women willing to do it. Guys with game tend to see a lot of shitty, conniving human behavior but unless you think all studies about infidelity are really that far off from the truth, try not to read too much into it.

If you really want to go down the rabbit hole, consider why you really don't trust women. You may not be the one in a relationship but you're willing to have sex with married women and help her cheat. Your willingness to participate in that type of behavior skews your perception of reality and what humans are like (only you then project it as being a female trait).

On the other hand, a guy who never strays and would turn down sex from committed women might have a more positive perception because even though he's had the offers he refuses to associate with women like that and proves to himself that not participating is possible.

So maybe ask yourself how the behavior you've chosen to involve yourself in skews your experiences with the opposite sex...I mean aren't you untrustworthy for doing this stuff too? And aren't you a man? Maybe with a little bit more respect for yourself and for the sanctity that is supposed to exist in relationships you could find it in yourself to believe others could do the same.

Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not preaching some higher position of morality - like I said, I've played with the worst of them - but I think we ought to be a little more fair about who is capable of what. And if we want to mistrust people, I don't necessarily think we should demonize based on gender.

I know already some of you are going to assert that I'm naive and delusional and just don't "understand how women work." But again, you're going against all statistical evidence that exists on the subject. I'm fine with you doing that, but without some hard counter-evidence to back up your claim, I also find it difficult to take you seriously on the matter.

I completely agree with everyone who says the key is to learn not to care too much though. This is how I've dealt with the issue and it's not always easy but it does the trick. If I have no reason to mistrust, I let it go and don't overthink it. If something comes up, she's gone. Seems to work for me.

I get where you guys are coming from, though; I really do. It just doesn't seem to be backed up by the known "facts" and comes across as an opinion based on emotion and subjective experience.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #52

(01-02-2014 01:57 AM)bacan Wrote:  I saw a girl posting pictures of her baby on facebook a while back. I counted back the months and figured out that right around the time that guy impregnated her (at least, I hope he was the one who impregnated her..) she fucked me and another guy too (three counting the baby daddy). Weird..

That quote about lying is pretty interesting. I haven't really been perfectly honest either in all circumstances and I think it does erode my ability to trust.

“The liar's punishment is, not in the least that he is not believed, but that he cannot believe anyone else.”
― George Bernard Shaw

"That quote about lying is pretty interesting. I haven't really been perfectly honest either in all circumstances and I think it does erode my ability to trust.'
^^^ This seems to be the main "irony" in any player's life. The more dirt you've done, the more aware you become of the depths of deceit that lie out there.

Personally, I've dealt with some shady individuals, and with those experiences I was forced to make a choice between placing myself in harm's way (knocking her off while he's at work) or passing on getting the sex.

I can speak from BOTH sides, catching my soon-to-be ex-wife in creep mode, confronting them, and moving forward with ego in tact. Since I was already a red-pill consumer, it wasn't much of a shock.

The real shock was that she ALLOWED herself to be caught so easily. For weeks, she had been staying out while(unemployed and I was starving her with no dick). By day, I was looking for another place that would accomodate my son and I, while at night I would plot my imminent move. In the end, I feel I forced the situation with an invisible hand. As hunters, we all know there are fewer "sweeter" treats than fucking a "neglected" guy's chick who is automatically more susceptible to your advances because of the CONTRAST.

What she's getting currently vs. What she THINKS she will get by jumping ship.

Except in this case, the offender was in it for a ONS. He didn't have any long term plans for her, no stability (career, cashflow, future plan), no foundation (lived with his moms) nor his own whip. Nor the DESIRE to be her man, despite the BS the typical guy runs to get in the draws.

It's ALWAYS interesting when woman trade down. Although she had no future with me, woman are MORE LIKELY to attempt to upgrade so to speak. So here we have a case of overpromising and underdelivering. In the sales game, the goal is just the opposite. Essentially, for a night of sex this guy just bought himself a relationship with all the bells and whistles and psychosis.

To this day, she is stuck with a guy who doesn't provide, lives with her, and continues to be a suck on her personal economy. For her trouble, she gets her emotional band-aid, and a whole lotta excuses as to why he can't or won't get his life on track, not to mention a step daughter by another woman he has to answer to.

Karma and Comeuppance served cold with utensils

Me? Piece and Mind

Fair Trade right?

Post: #53

(01-02-2014 11:44 AM)Ensam Wrote:  It's bad player karma to get involved. If you don't like what's going on kick the chick to the curb and admonish her if you must (though I don't advise this either) then move on.

I don't see how it is bad karma, especially if it is one of my boys. For whatever reason, I'd more readily forgive one of my buds for some transgression than a chick.

Then again, I can only count my close guy friends on both hands and they're spread far and wide across the country.

My allegiance is with my fellow man even if most of them are weak. They're the ones that need help even if the truth is a horribly bitter pill.

Guess I'm a white knight for my fellow man

Edit: Ironically, the red pill makes it easier for me to screw around and forget instances like this. When I discovered my ex's transgression, it was a hard pill to swallow initially but at the end of it I knew I would come out just fine which obviously I have.

Good discussion to bring into the lime light. I appreciate the ideas being fleshed out here.

Post: #54

Beyond borders makes a strong point. A VERY strong point that I couldn't put out as well as he did. Good job.

Post: #55

Haha, this thread is priceless. So many examples ring true with me. Agreed it may only be the loud minority giving women a bad name.. but i'm not so sure.
Women are all liars and cheats in my mind. Nothing will change my view on this. And i have no issue with it at all. Its women being women. Shit, it's people being people... anyone with some smarts and an opportunity to do so lies and deceives on a daily basis. And usually to a far greater degree than we realise unless we're doing some good impartial introspection. It's just life.
In my mind, anyone who claims otherwise is just proving the point. Learn it, understand it, and remember it whenever you're dealing with a girl.

I would be being hypocritical to judge a womans behaviour any more harshly than my own.
BUT... the thing that does make me laugh is that a woman is ALWAYS defined by her slut behaviour in a negative way by society. (Right or wrong, thats the playing field. Everyone knows it, and everyone chooses to play however they play, with those 'rules' in place.)
YET in spite of this women nowadays lie, cheat and slut it up fully aware of the risks and potential consequences of getting caught (which is hugely likely and provable in todays computerised society!); YET lose their minds when they get caught and/or called out for it. Hilarious.


I was once the guy getting screwed over behind his back... and i am regularly now the guy who the girl chooses to do the screwing over with. And most of these girls are university educated, professional women who's reputation would be annihilated if it got out what they were doing. Do they give a fuck..? Do they shit. At least until they are forced to confront it.
And they are all being so stupid... no attempt to be subtle or leave no record; from texting filth, allowing.... no encouraging, me to film them being whores with me. All while their boyfriends/fiances/husbands are somewhere under the impression she's out with the girls or safely tucked up in bed. It both disgusts and entertains me.
I have hours of self porn videos made in the last month alone of 3 different chicks, all wearing lingerie freshly bought by their beta boy that if i felt inclined to send to her 'man' would ruin his and her life. In one the girl is knowingly talking to the camera about how her boyfriend doesn't measure up, and that she has never let him fuck her ass or cum on her face.. while i do both. If i were that guy and saw that i'd probably go get a gun... then decide if it was for myself or for her.

Now i'm not ever going to dump them in it... i don't see any good coming from it and risk getting involved in some crazy shit, but these girls are literally in a world of make believe; to them it's no more than 'being a bit naughty', they literally seem to have the ability to justify any behaviour to themselves. It must be a wonderful luxury to be able to be that delusional! The female ego is a powerful thing.

They are only ever sorry if they get caught. And they are only ever sorry THAT they got caught.

Post: #56

(01-02-2014 12:13 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  One thing I don't like about the "women can't be trusted" sentiment is that it seems really hypocritical to me. I mean, honestly, how many men can be trusted? It's extremely hard to meet male friends you can put any faith in for the long run, right? Even bros you do accept and trust will eventually let you down at some point, if only out of momentary human weakness - they say you're lucky if you make it to the end of your life with even a few really good friends still intact.

And as far as relationships are concerned, a lot of guys given the opportunity will also cheat on there bishes. In fact, I don't think there's even one study out there that shows women being more unfaithful than men.

You could come up with arguments for these studies being flawed, but if you want to try and claim they're all flawed or honestly believe the real stats are anywhere close to 100% you may be clinging a little hard to your negative preconceived notions.

I mean, think about it. Most men on here are pretty sexed, I'd say. How many of us if we had the sexual power of women wouldn't be cheating as much as possible? If we could snap our fingers and get laid whenever we wanted (which I acknowledge some guys here about can), I'd say we'd be cheating far more often than women and lying about it more too (though we'd be more likely to get caught since we tend to suck at lying).

The stats already show us doing it more so think about what it would look like if our barriers to "entry" were lower....

Hell, I'm a lying little slut too - or at least under the influence of alcohol I always slept around and then lied to cover my tracks in the morning (I hardly ever cheated when sober). But I don't think I've ever been in a relationship I haven't strayed from at least once. I've kissed girlfriends with another pussy on my breath, come home from ex's houses to crawl in bed with my current, "lost" my phone, lied my ass off when confronted, cultivated girls on the back burner in case things didn't work out, banged women without telling them I was taken, flirted relentlessly, cheated on women (even a fiance) I was in love with, hooked up with their friends, and all of the above.

And I've seen lots of my buddies do it too. If they've got game and opportunities present themselves, they partake, especially if a bit of booze is involved. So kind of hard to take guys seriously who just point the finger at the nature of females.

There are also men out there who legitimately won't cheat no matter what - I've seen these guys truly hold strong and was surprised by it - and I feel the same is true for women. It used to be that men cheated more but the figures have gotten closer to each other in modern times, most likely because women are more promiscuous now than they were in the past. Given that I know and have witnessed faithful men, I don't think women should mistrust all men or make blanket statements about us based on my own behavior.

If anything, it's a human thing not a gender thing. And even then it's nowhere near all men or women willing to do it. Guys with game tend to see a lot of shitty, conniving human behavior but unless you think all studies about infidelity are really that far off from the truth, try not to read too much into it.

If you really want to go down the rabbit hole, consider why you really don't trust women. You may not be the one in a relationship but you're willing to have sex with married women and help her cheat. Your willingness to participate in that type of behavior skews your perception of reality and what humans are like (only you then project it as being a female trait).

On the other hand, a guy who never strays and would turn down sex from committed women might have a more positive perception because even though he's had the offers he refuses to associate with women like that and proves to himself that not participating is possible.

So maybe ask yourself how the behavior you've chosen to involve yourself in skews your experiences with the opposite sex...I mean aren't you untrustworthy for doing this stuff too? And aren't you a man? Maybe with a little bit more respect for yourself and for the sanctity that is supposed to exist in relationships you could find it in yourself to believe others could do the same.

Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not preaching some higher position of morality - like I said, I've played with the worst of them - but I think we ought to be a little more fair about who is capable of what. And if we want to mistrust people, I don't necessarily think we should demonize based on gender.

I know already some of you are going to assert that I'm naive and delusional and just don't "understand how women work." But again, you're going against all statistical evidence that exists on the subject. I'm fine with you doing that, but without some hard counter-evidence to back up your claim, I also find it difficult to take you seriously on the matter.

I completely agree with everyone who says the key is to learn not to care too much though. This is how I've dealt with the issue and it's not always easy but it does the trick. If I have no reason to mistrust, I let it go and don't overthink it. If something comes up, she's gone. Seems to work for me.

I get where you guys are coming from, though; I really do. It just doesn't seem to be backed up by the known "facts" and comes across as an opinion based on emotion and subjective experience.

Believing in Santa doesn't make him real.

Fact is that everyone will go for the best thing if they could. For generations, most men were ok with so-so women, and now the so-so women are making themselves even more unavailable to most men but are opening up like crazy to guys like us.

You can thank technology like OKC which allows girls to carry out their sex missions in near secrecy whereas in the past, they had to be more social and meet people through friends or bars etc.

The difference with men is that our true nature has been out in the open for a while. Dogs eat dogs, but we all know that, so we've evolved a bro code to keep things civil. My best friends are great manipulators.

On the other hand, women want to maintain (somewhat) a facade of purity because ancient slut shame fears haunt them. The worst thing for a woman is to be cast out of the village to fend for herself in a forrest. Feminists would have been witches in the past- women who were cast out of the tribe and forced to live on their own. It seemed unnatural which is probably why they were thought to have magic powers. The modern day feminists are very much in spirit like the witches from old stories. They are angry and conniving. They've cast a spell on the towns folk, and trying to turn our maidens into witches to reframe the world against the natural order of sexual attraction and love.

So, who is being the most dishonest? Women are.

Post: #57

(01-02-2014 01:49 PM)soup Wrote:  Believing in Santa doesn't make him real.

I'm talking about research and you're talking about subjective opinions, and I'm the one who believes in Santa Clause...?

lol Ok.

I realize I've not quoted anything in particular but it's pretty much the same across the board in every instance of the subject being looked at.

Quote:Fact is that everyone will go for the best thing if they could. For generations, most men were ok with so-so women, and now the so-so women are making themselves even more unavailable to most men but are opening up like crazy to guys like us.

You can thank technology like OKC which allows girls to carry out their sex missions in near secrecy whereas in the past, they had to be more social and meet people through friends or bars etc.

I understand your points and honestly don't see that they truly negate anything I've said, but even assuming a lying bias skews anonymous studies, which is a real concern, the numbers would still be much higher than they are if all woman were unfaithful. You can't even get a study showing 50% of women have cheated and you want me to believe no woman can be trusted?

Sorry, not buying it. It's on the rise, yes, and the ones who do it are very good at it. But it's not the black and white story a lot of guys have convinced each other it is.

Quote:The difference with men is that our true nature has been out in the open for a while. Dogs eat dogs, but we all know that, so we've evolved a bro code to keep things civil. My best friends are great manipulators.

On the other hand, women want to maintain (somewhat) a facade of purity because ancient slut shame fears haunt them. The worst thing for a woman is to be cast out of the village to fend for herself in a forrest. Feminists would have been witches in the past- women who were cast out of the tribe and forced to live on their own. It seemed unnatural which is probably why they were thought to have magic powers. The modern day feminists are very much in spirit like the witches from old stories. They are angry and conniving. They've cast a spell on the towns folk, and trying to turn our maidens into witches to reframe the world against the natural order of sexual attraction and love.

So, who is being the most dishonest? Women are.

Nah. Unfaithful is unfaithful, and that's the type of dishonesty this thread is about. Men don't just get a pass because they're culturally expected to cheat more often - at least not if you want to keep this conversation congruent. That's just out there.

Women are either worse about cheating or not. Guys have been lying to there old ladies all over the world for centuries. We're just as bad if not worse.

In fact most of us here on this forum probably believe it's pretty much okay for a guy to cheat. I can get on that level and will never stop preferring women who act right but at the same time it's kind of hilarious for us to cast stones the way we do.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #58

(01-02-2014 01:49 PM)soup Wrote:  

(01-02-2014 12:13 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  One thing I don't like about the "women can't be trusted" sentiment is that it seems really hypocritical to me. I mean, honestly, how many men can be trusted? It's extremely hard to meet male friends you can put any faith in for the long run, right? Even bros you do accept and trust will eventually let you down at some point, if only out of momentary human weakness - they say you're lucky if you make it to the end of your life with even a few really good friends still intact.

And as far as relationships are concerned, a lot of guys given the opportunity will also cheat on there bishes. In fact, I don't think there's even one study out there that shows women being more unfaithful than men.

You could come up with arguments for these studies being flawed, but if you want to try and claim they're all flawed or honestly believe the real stats are anywhere close to 100% you may be clinging a little hard to your negative preconceived notions.

I mean, think about it. Most men on here are pretty sexed, I'd say. How many of us if we had the sexual power of women wouldn't be cheating as much as possible? If we could snap our fingers and get laid whenever we wanted (which I acknowledge some guys here about can), I'd say we'd be cheating far more often than women and lying about it more too (though we'd be more likely to get caught since we tend to suck at lying).

The stats already show us doing it more so think about what it would look like if our barriers to "entry" were lower....

Hell, I'm a lying little slut too - or at least under the influence of alcohol I always slept around and then lied to cover my tracks in the morning (I hardly ever cheated when sober). But I don't think I've ever been in a relationship I haven't strayed from at least once. I've kissed girlfriends with another pussy on my breath, come home from ex's houses to crawl in bed with my current, "lost" my phone, lied my ass off when confronted, cultivated girls on the back burner in case things didn't work out, banged women without telling them I was taken, flirted relentlessly, cheated on women (even a fiance) I was in love with, hooked up with their friends, and all of the above.

And I've seen lots of my buddies do it too. If they've got game and opportunities present themselves, they partake, especially if a bit of booze is involved. So kind of hard to take guys seriously who just point the finger at the nature of females.

There are also men out there who legitimately won't cheat no matter what - I've seen these guys truly hold strong and was surprised by it - and I feel the same is true for women. It used to be that men cheated more but the figures have gotten closer to each other in modern times, most likely because women are more promiscuous now than they were in the past. Given that I know and have witnessed faithful men, I don't think women should mistrust all men or make blanket statements about us based on my own behavior.

If anything, it's a human thing not a gender thing. And even then it's nowhere near all men or women willing to do it. Guys with game tend to see a lot of shitty, conniving human behavior but unless you think all studies about infidelity are really that far off from the truth, try not to read too much into it.

If you really want to go down the rabbit hole, consider why you really don't trust women. You may not be the one in a relationship but you're willing to have sex with married women and help her cheat. Your willingness to participate in that type of behavior skews your perception of reality and what humans are like (only you then project it as being a female trait).

On the other hand, a guy who never strays and would turn down sex from committed women might have a more positive perception because even though he's had the offers he refuses to associate with women like that and proves to himself that not participating is possible.

So maybe ask yourself how the behavior you've chosen to involve yourself in skews your experiences with the opposite sex...I mean aren't you untrustworthy for doing this stuff too? And aren't you a man? Maybe with a little bit more respect for yourself and for the sanctity that is supposed to exist in relationships you could find it in yourself to believe others could do the same.

Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not preaching some higher position of morality - like I said, I've played with the worst of them - but I think we ought to be a little more fair about who is capable of what. And if we want to mistrust people, I don't necessarily think we should demonize based on gender.

I know already some of you are going to assert that I'm naive and delusional and just don't "understand how women work." But again, you're going against all statistical evidence that exists on the subject. I'm fine with you doing that, but without some hard counter-evidence to back up your claim, I also find it difficult to take you seriously on the matter.

I completely agree with everyone who says the key is to learn not to care too much though. This is how I've dealt with the issue and it's not always easy but it does the trick. If I have no reason to mistrust, I let it go and don't overthink it. If something comes up, she's gone. Seems to work for me.

I get where you guys are coming from, though; I really do. It just doesn't seem to be backed up by the known "facts" and comes across as an opinion based on emotion and subjective experience.

Believing in Santa doesn't make him real.

Fact is that everyone will go for the best thing if they could. For generations, most men were ok with so-so women, and now the so-so women are making themselves even more unavailable to most men but are opening up like crazy to guys like us.

You can thank technology like OKC which allows girls to carry out their sex missions in near secrecy whereas in the past, they had to be more social and meet people through friends or bars etc.

The difference with men is that our true nature has been out in the open for a while. Dogs eat dogs, but we all know that, so we've evolved a bro code to keep things civil. My best friends are great manipulators.

On the other hand, women want to maintain (somewhat) a facade of purity because ancient slut shame fears haunt them. The worst thing for a woman is to be cast out of the village to fend for herself in a forrest. Feminists would have been witches in the past- women who were cast out of the tribe and forced to live on their own. It seemed unnatural which is probably why they were thought to have magic powers. The modern day feminists are very much in spirit like the witches from old stories. They are angry and conniving. They've cast a spell on the towns folk, and trying to turn our maidens into witches to reframe the world against the natural order of sexual attraction and love.

So, who is being the most dishonest? Women are.

You are both correct. There is nothing mutually exclusive about these two points. Men and women are both equally susceptible to sexual temptation. We all want to bone attractive people. This is why the human race exists.

The difference between men and women is in what forces act to check our prospective promiscuity. For men, it's the fact that most men simply are not attractive enough to be getting a steady stream of new high quality bangs. For the average guy in a relationship, the type of girls he could be banging with little effort are not worth risking his relationship. Women can bang better-looking guys without too much effort. The thing that keeps them in line is the social stigma that comes with slutty behavior and the fact that high quality men won't want them if they have too much of a sexual past.

What pisses guys off so much is that things are pretty much the same for men (banging new high quality women is not easy) while women seem to be playing by a whole new set of rules (no more slut shaming). It kind of sucks, but it's easy enough to avoid from a personal level. You can't control other parts of society, but you can certainly decide for yourself which women you will and will not commit to.

Post: #59

(01-02-2014 10:59 AM)frenchie Wrote:  We live in a time of equality. It's time that the lizards understand what that meant. I'd happily burn bridges to save a fellow guy even if he ultimately rejects it and continues on.

It's not your fight. He will most likely find a way to rationalise it away, and still marry her. There's also the possibility she'll go all Big Eyes and Crocodile Tears and claim she was 'forced' into sex, or that you raped her.

Women love drama. What's more dramatic that being fought over by two men, that she's seemingly-helpless to make a decision over? Few levels of drama could compete to constantly-dominate discussion with her circle of friends to guarantee Queen Bee status.

If you don't want to get caught up in their bullshit drama, and realy find her treatment of a beta disgusting, then simply move on to other chicks. No pussy is that unique.

Quote:“The liar's punishment is, not in the least that he is not believed, but that he cannot believe anyone else.”
― George Bernard Shaw

The Shaw quote is just a quote. I never lie to women: i'm always upfront about already seeing other women, only wanting causal relationships and what their long-term expectations can be from me. They choose to lie by agreeing they don't want anything serious either; or think that I don't know what I want, and that they're the unique snowflake who can 'change me'.

Sometime people are just intelligent enough to simply see a liar for what they are, particularly when most people aren't very good at it. Tells are obvious enough.

Post: #60

Where did you meet this girl?

Post: #61

(01-02-2014 02:50 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(01-02-2014 10:59 AM)frenchie Wrote:  We live in a time of equality. It's time that the lizards understand what that meant. I'd happily burn bridges to save a fellow guy even if he ultimately rejects it and continues on.

It's not your fight. He will most likely find a way to rationalise it away, and still marry her. There's also the possibility she'll go all Big Eyes and Crocodile Tears and claim she was 'forced' into sex, or that you raped her.

Good advice. I'm still fleshing out my opinion on this, though I'm certainly not innocent. I've smashed a married girl before.

Post: #62

^^^So let's say you save this guy and let him know who his future wife really is. Are you going to follow the girl around and save the next guy too?

Its extremely easy for girls to do this type of shit to clueless guys. You won't stop her. You'll only invite problems into your own life. Just move to the next one.

The potential rape claim is a very good point. Buyer beware...

Post: #63

(01-02-2014 04:50 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  ^^^So let's say you save this guy and let him know who his future wife really is. Are you going to follow the girl around and save the next guy too?

Its extremely easy for girls to do this type of shit to clueless guys. You won't stop her. You'll only invite problems into your own life. Just move to the next one.

The potential rape claim is a very good point. Buyer beware...

captain save a hoe never saves shit.

Post: #64

(01-02-2014 04:20 PM)frenchie Wrote:  Good advice. I'm still fleshing out my opinion on this, though I'm certainly not innocent. I've smashed a married girl before.

We probably all have, because women have normalised cheating as sexual-empowerment, and rationalise it as being her husband's fault that she cheats anyway. Women are fantastic at absolving blame for their own actions.

She'll have read a bunch of online articles by solipsitic typists on sites like Cosmopolitan and XOJane describing married affairs as a cocktail of intrigue, high emotional drama, constant guilt, and [insert girl adjective] sex, (ie. 'steamy', 'spicy', 'amazing').

The typist will tell the story in such a way to absolve her blame and suggest empowerment:

a) it made me realise I loved my husband and strengthened our marriage;

b) it made me realise I wasn't happy in a marriage and now I'm a strong single woman.

I've yet to see it resolve where the Typist ends up living with or married to the man in the affair.

Most importantly, she's a female typist. The story is designed it to raise her status above the reader in a way that makes her both likeable through her emotional vulnerability and 'honesty'; and enviable through how her life is full of drama and excitement. Why, she doesn't sound like a ho or a tramp at all! She sounds like we could share frappuccinos and be besties!

Next early 30's 'girl's night out' and her friends are encouraging her to slip the wedding ring off her finger. They're all doing the same. "No-one's being hurt." "It's just some fun flirting." "You deserve to feel sexy and available." "He doesn't realise what a goddess you are. Have some fun."

If you're experienced, you know to look for the tan line on her finger.

Post: #65

(01-02-2014 12:42 AM)Prophylaxis Wrote:  Moral of the story - men rarely benefit from a 'committed' relationship these days, and should never expect exclusivity. Your best chance of having a lasting relationship is to never formally enter one.

A thread like this gets to the heart of why guys should learn game. All women are opportunists to a certain degree. When you live in a society that shields women from the consequences of their actions, there's no incentive for them to take men and their relations with them (or any number of other things) seriously.

One of the best defenses is to just avoid commitment. Utilize women for short periods of fun, because that's just about the best things are going to get. Once you try to get serious with a girl you're taking gradually larger risks for lower rewards--namely access to the same aging pussy with no novelty value. Guys can get nostalgia all they want, but most of the dudes my father's age were married to one miserable harridan who might've been the only pussy they ever touched. We can't live in the past and raise families anymore, but we can get more new pussy in a month than many of them would in a lifetime. To me, that's a better option than being a listless couch potato provider.

Post: #66

I agree with Open Borders' point about "stone casting."

Nobody should complain about feeling "bothered" and "disturbed" by a particular woman's cheating if he himself is the person with whom she cheated. It sounds like a drug dealer who complains that he is "bothered" and "disturbed" by the sight of his junkie customers.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. If these things "bother" and "disturb" you, don't participate in them.

Most guys on this forum probably aren't very bothered by women who cheat. Those guys don't have a "stone casting" problem.

Post: #67

I don't think there's any point in trying to fight it or let a girls boyfriend know shes fucking around.

Its in her blood. Its in your blood. Biology does not give a fuck about you.

It takes a large amount of conscious thought and willpower to overcome biological sex urges. In my case I was the best dressed, wealthiest, cockiest motherfucker in the room. An old fuck buddy was there too. She was draped all over me, her friends love me. I was directing the action of the smallish party. How is this chick supposed to help herself when everything about me was drawing her in and making her attracted?

Picture this: you're rawdogging one of the best looking girls you've ever fucked. You're fucking her hard, her pussy smells great, shes moaning, shes got the best ass/tits that are jiggling the right way, and to top it off you actually want to hang out with her after you've fucked. Smell her hair and feel her breath on your chest as she nods off to sleep. Top that off with a couple drinks.

How hard would it be for you to not cum inside this girl?

Everything in your body is telling you to do it. Shes not on birthcontrol, kids would fuck up your lifestyle, but your body still says yes. You're fighting with your animal self, your rational mind says no, but eons of evolution have designed you to fucking bust a nut all in this beautiful girls pussy, with her perfect waist:hip, her big ass, firm tits, glowing skin and flowing hair.

Morality is an invention of man influenced by nature. Working together, trust, and the strength shown by integrity and honesty help everyone have a better quality of life and a better chance of survival. But how do the cruelest dictators, corrupt bankers and politicians, players and pimps get the level of power they do? How do the slimiest most reptilian motherfuckers abuse everyone yet somehow come out on top?

They manipulate the laws of man and follow the laws of nature.

According to our nature what would be the consequences of a man fucking an attached woman? The 'husband' would either cast his wife out or seek to punish the other man (and maybe her). How does he do it? He can influence his peers to go fuck up the other man, or go do it himself. What happens when the 'other man' is bigger, stronger, quicker, and has power over more people?

Its up to you to be the best man you can be, to get these women lusting after you animalistically, to get them to let you assfuck them then pray to the lord for forgiveness afterward, to cheat on their millionaire husband and crave your seed at all hours of the day.

Bitches ain't shit and bitches don't owe you shit.

Post: #68

(01-02-2014 02:50 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  It's not your fight. He will most likely find a way to rationalise it away, and still marry her. There's also the possibility she'll go all Big Eyes and Crocodile Tears and claim she was 'forced' into sex, or that you raped her.

This. Definitely don't need to say anything.

If you speak up, what is the subtext being broadcast about you to every woman who hears about it? That you might screw up her future relationship if you've messed around with her in the past.

You can't be trusted to stay silent. Instant blacklist for female hookups.

It's much more profitable to just accept pussy that comes your way like you had a right to it and not use it to foment drama.

If he proposed to her, he owns it and he should have done his due diligence before signing on the dotted line.

Post: #69

This forum has a tendency to have breads that push sensitive tons. Glad I have it because I probably wouldn't face this demon any other way.

If I want to be a good player, I should just go back to the original place I started at, just feeling greet by being the guy a girl wants to sleep with. The thrill of fulfilling that biological urge is just flattery that nature considers you worthy of pushing your genes onto another generation.

Ah fuck it, I'll sleep away. You really have to just swallow this bad bitter part of the red pill. Some women are slutty, it's your responsibility to see the signs and pump and dump if necessary.

Post: #70

Damn. Every time I read this thread it just reminds me of the day my buddy fucked a girl on the exact same day she got engaged. The SAME fucking day! I wrote about this before.

The dude has mad game and is a handsome guy but that is when I realized, the shit we're trying to do ain't so bad. We're just trying to have some sex. If I'm gonna let this woman have my kids though that's a scaryyyyyyyyyy ass venture.

My only solution for this bothering someone is to honestly go for a virgin. Yep. That extreme. That's your best bet at someone who won't cock carousel around.

Post: #71

West coast here's my advice. Make a lot if money, get a house on a remote island, go to yea one or Poland and sweep up a girl. Keep her on the island and you won't have to worry about all his shit.

Post: #72

^ haha got a laugh outta me.

I don't have any interest in that but if I do I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

In the mean time sexy Latinas!

Post: #73

Latinas claw at my back like demons.

Post: #74

West you could always try for a Mormon. Or a Bible thumping Catholic.


On second thought, Mormon chicks take it up the ass and say it doesn't count, so you want the Catholic. LOL.

Post: #75

^ lol. In no way did I mean to say I have any interest in a family/kids. I actually hate them. The whole point of the story is you just never know what you're dealing with when you meet a broad. I assume she would fuck instanteously if she met the "right guy".

Ain't no bible thumper gonna say no to Geroge Clooney.

Side note: catholic chicks are actually major sluts.