Post: #1

Yes, this is a dupe but the original got little attention and little commentary from the OP.





Found this video from the idiotic Manosphere commenter "Love, Ashley."

Ashley's insightful commentary:

Quote:I think men and women could potentially get along so much better if men knew how to communicate their feelings. If they did, I could have avoided so much stress and drama in the relationship and dating scenes. I am a firm believer in the idea of when there is a problem that comes up, communicate it with the person it concerns. Let it out, talk it out, get past it. But since men are taught to “be a man” and not show or express their emotions, there is so much they bottle up in fear of looking weak. When that happens, I sense it and it just pisses me off and makes me all kinds of uncomfortable. Now, there are men I have met who are more open and straightforward and have been able to express their emotions and me and those men get along so much better.

One of the commenters links to Jackson Katz, who seems to be an "anti-violence" expert, and his video called "Tough Guise."

Further, the first video draws heavily on a book called "Guyland," in which Michael Kimmel singles out white, heterosexual men and their degenerate culture for holding men back.

The problem with these constellations of authors and approaches is it does not understand what exactly is going nor does it proscribe any appropriate or justified remedies.

Understand, as I have observed before narcissistic trolls on RVF, highly narcissistic people do often make salient observations, but rarely if ever make substantive connections and draw relevant conclusions.

I first want to say, people who like and believe this video can't conceptualize of people with healthy, solid personal identities. They are playing a frame control game that is aimed at eroded stronger, but still weak, personal identities of others. Kimmel and Katz don't believe in strength and personal calm. Since they start with themselves, they assume that everybody else must have the same personal deficiencies as them. Old Freudian ideas that masculine men are closeted gay men that want to fuck their father. Weird and outdated psychology - welcome to modern feminism.

The videos observe the wasteland of the modern boy growing into a man. They note explosions of violence, unstable identities and inability to connect with other men. That sounds like a serious collective personality disorder, which I would usually characterize as narcissism. However, narcissism rarely presents as a singular personality disorder. Sounds like many of these boys suffer from anti-social problems and a couple seemed to have some obsessive issues.

As for the boys presented, they never mention anything about personality disorders. Isn't it funny that people who bloviate so much about "harmful thought patterns" don't understand that that is THE DEFINITION of personality disorders. Therefore, there is no racist personality disorder, misogynistic personality disorder or homophobic personality disorder. Anti-social, passive-aggressive, histronic are all personality disorders.

Isn't it funny that the video talks so much about "hyper-masculinity?" In the modern era. A clutch of boys talk very nervously about their self-identity - so fucking hyper-masculine. One problem presented here is that as society devolves and needs enemies of said obvious decline. The "Duck Dynasty" guy that said something something about practicing homosexuals was skewered immediately because he represented an incredibly easy and threatening target: a family man from tradition with a solid personal identity. All three of those concepts is incredibly threatening to mainstream identities, as independence, flight from the past and weak personal identities based on social approval are in vogue today.

Of course, is the implicit female superiority presented. Women start from themselves and part of collective female identity is that they have superior relational skills, with friends, family and romantic partners. This isn't true because the constellation of reality TV shows, etc. all know that women are worse at relationships than men.

Still, this stubbornly persistent belief bleeds over into discussions of masculinity. Women pretend that men don't communicate with one another or if they do, it isn't in an honest or effective way. We see the ridiculous multiplicity of crossed wires on the Left, as they dispute the fact that women speak more than men. It's equal or men talk more. But, men don't talk about what they truly want to talk about, just engaging in conversation to prop up their identity or maintain appearances. See the projection here?

This is also a derivation of the concept that "all men are beasts." This concept exists in most cultures and -- apparently -- is a psychological construct that helps women explain male behavior they don't understand or violent/abusive behavior males engage in. It shows the biological roots of the female hamster, as women have a tough time dealing with female homicide, child abuse or any other behavior that is seen as originating from men. To be fair, men have unfairly categorized women, as a class, as dumber than men. That isn't true from an IQ standpoint and much more reasonable observation is that women suffer, collectively, from a supreme drought of wisdom.

The other looming issue presented here is what happens when men express themselves. MRA's have long realized what happens when men talk candidly and frankly about what men are feeling. Take Kimmel. In his book "Guyland," he worked intimately with many men, only to treat them, at best, as lab rats of an inferior breed. At his worse, he shows off his true intention - to paint white men as morally repugnant, backwards, psychologically ill and potentially homicidal and rapey maniacs.

What these sorts of people don't realize is THEY are the reason men have so many issues. When feminists and women constantly label men as creepy, rapey, etc. all they do is place a damper on more honest exchanges between the sexes. Sure, the idea of a perfectly honest social dialogue between men and women is absurd on it's face, but we could be more honest. Feminism has been complicit in so many things, but one striking is sex and relationships with women - with men as the speakers. Men can't just say that men get fucked in divorce court, but Chris Rock can make jokes about women cleaning men's financial clock in divorce court.

Personally, I see feminists as latter-day torch bearers of old, puritanical ideas about sex and relationships. They really don't want sex to be talked about, but most especially by men. It isn't any surprise that early second-wave feminists thoroughly trashed gay men and treated them like dirt. Of course, they had to educate gay men about misogyny. Because women are men's moral superiors while they kick dirt in gay men's faces and call them worthless faggots. Seriously check out some of Gloria Steinem's early work in the seventies. That bitch HATES gay men. But, now she hearts the gay marriage.

Back on point, these sorts of people who are apparently dying for a conversation about changing masculinity are part and parcel of the problem. First off, they don't realize how much of American masculinity is based on female approval. Second, they don't understand the replacing the wider family unit with government bureaucrats and media is insanely damaging to the psyche of a child. Teachers, TV and social workers can't unconditionally love a child. Further, by the time kids hit the school system, personality disorders are already usually set. If we expand the system -- like Sweden -- and start the governmental intervention as early as we can, after the one year leave, those children all present similar problems later on in life. Inability to handle change, strong need for public approval and a highly deficient emotional life.

I feel they think that if men will just open up and express themselves, that will solve so many problems. Trust me, first hand experience, revealing what lies beneath is often a dumb fucking idea. Personality disorders exist to allow a person to exist in society as best they can. Further, it is a typically naive left-wing idea that if, like we all embrace the equalitarian diversity tolerance then all the plus-good stuff happens. It reeks of an authoritarian approach that assumes others will do for you, instead of you learning to do for yourself and learning to depend on others in a healthy way.

Masculinity isn't the problem, it is the solution.

Post: #2

Like usual, another excellent exposition, 2wyked.

Just gotta add:

Quote:The videos observe the wasteland of the modern boy growing into a man. They note explosions of violence, unstable identities and inability to connect with other men. That sounds like a serious collective personality disorder, which I would usually characterize as narcissism. However, narcissism rarely presents as a singular personality disorder. Sounds like many of these boys suffer from anti-social problems and a couple seemed to have some obsessive issues.

Sounds like a generation of boys raised without their Fathers in the home.

Quote:Isn't it funny that the video talks so much about "hyper-masculinity?" In the modern era. A clutch of boys talk very nervously about their self-identity - so fucking hyper-masculine.

Sounds like the myth of the ghetto Alpha male.

Quote:Like all young men of all races, they have testosterone surges making them aggressive and competitive. However they don’t have reliable older men to teach them how to channel this testosterone-fueled aggression positively, and this creates an insecurity in their male identity causing them to create their own hyperexaggerated ideal of what a man should be. Supermacho, obnoxious, fearless to the point of knuckleheaded, overaggressive…basically the parody of manhood we see in gangster rap. It’s overcompensation to the worst degree.

But even though they are doing their best to be superthug, they still end up doing things in a subtly feminine (not effeminate) way because feminine influences are most of what they know. Most of their role models and involved family members are women, and the few men in their lives were likely raised by only women too. And it shows in how they handle conflict: grudges are held forever, they never know how to let anything slide, they think primarily with emotion and are prone to outbursts, drama and confrontation and most importantly, they don’t know how to choose their battles.

True male behavior isn’t being a drama queen, emotional outbursts and holding onto grudges; true male behavior is picking your battles, knowing when to fight and when to let things slide, analyzing things calmly and logically and having discipline over your moods and emotions and exercising emotional restraint. There are times when it’s acceptable to lose your shit and times when it’s not. These are things that a true mature male influence teaches you, and such influences have almost disappeared completely from the hood.

Post: #3

(12-23-2013 03:16 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  Personally, I see feminists as latter-day torch bearers of old, puritanical ideas about sex and relationships. They really don't want sex to be talked about, but most especially by men. It isn't any surprise that early second-wave feminists thoroughly trashed gay men and treated them like dirt. Of course, they had to educate gay men about misogyny. Because women are men's moral superiors while they kick dirt in gay men's faces and call them worthless faggots. Seriously check out some of Gloria Steinem's early work in the seventies. That bitch HATES gay men. But, now she hearts the gay marriage.

I've felt this way for a long time. I think feminism has become the new mutant expression of that old strain of American Puritanism. It's not just expressions of sexuality that disturb them, it's the fundamental reality of sex. Ultimately they want to create a neutered society.

Post: #4

"Men, man up. Stop telling men to man up"

Post: #5

Men don't need to man up as much as women need to man down.

Post: #6

Freud said masculine men are gay?! Where is someone getting this? Freud was an upper middle class Jew and my modern standards a racist and had no problems bashing the lower classes and blacks as inferior. But I'd be interested to see a citation from his writings that argues this.

Post: #7

(12-29-2013 04:50 PM)ikkyu Wrote:  I've felt this way for a long time. I think feminism has become the new mutant expression of that old strain of American Puritanism. It's not just expressions of sexuality that disturb them, it's the fundamental reality of sex. Ultimately they want to create a neutered society.

Exactly. This is why feminism is the concern of low-value women who are shut-off from the world of healthy sexual relationships: the obese; the unattractive; the sexually-abused; the batshit crazies; the aspies; and the downright-unpleasant individuals. 100 years back, they'd have to have joined a nunnery to get their moral superiority fix over the healthy and successful, now they take gender studies and log into Jezebel.

Fuck knows why anyone takes them seriously with their opinions about sex, relationships and society. It's like asking a hermit what's the best way to plan a dinner party.

Luckily, I sense the academia bubble is about to burst.

Post: #8

(12-29-2013 05:16 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 04:50 PM)ikkyu Wrote:  I've felt this way for a long time. I think feminism has become the new mutant expression of that old strain of American Puritanism. It's not just expressions of sexuality that disturb them, it's the fundamental reality of sex. Ultimately they want to create a neutered society.

Exactly. This is why feminism is the concern of low-value women who are shut-off from the world of healthy sexual relationships: the obese; the unattractive; the sexually-abused; the batshit crazies; the aspies; and the downright-unpleasant individuals. 100 years back, they'd have to have joined a nunnery to get their moral superiority fix over the healthy and successful, now they take gender studies and log into Jezebel.

Fuck knows why anyone takes them seriously with their opinions about sex, relationships and society. It's like asking a hermit what's the best way to plan a dinner party.

Luckily, I sense the academia bubble is about to burst.

This reminds me of the saying, "The more things change, the more they stay the same."

Post: #9

These feminists decrying that "man up" is detrimental to boys are the same people who will use the excuse "man up" if you want a prenup or refuse to get married because there are no rewards. Man up to take control of your own life is destructive, but manning up to forfeit your freedom to somebody else is "responsible". There is nothing manly about taking a raw deal in life.

Post: #10

(12-23-2013 03:16 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  Yes, this is a dupe but the original got little attention and little commentary from the OP.





Found this video from the idiotic Manosphere commenter "Love, Ashley."

Ashley's insightful commentary:

Quote:I think men and women could potentially get along so much better if men knew how to communicate their feelings. If they did, I could have avoided so much stress and drama in the relationship and dating scenes. I am a firm believer in the idea of when there is a problem that comes up, communicate it with the person it concerns. Let it out, talk it out, get past it. But since men are taught to “be a man” and not show or express their emotions, there is so much they bottle up in fear of looking weak. When that happens, I sense it and it just pisses me off and makes me all kinds of uncomfortable. Now, there are men I have met who are more open and straightforward and have been able to express their emotions and me and those men get along so much better.

One of the commenters links to Jackson Katz, who seems to be an "anti-violence" expert, and his video called "Tough Guise."

Further, the first video draws heavily on a book called "Guyland," in which Michael Kimmel singles out white, heterosexual men and their degenerate culture for holding men back.

The problem with these constellations of authors and approaches is it does not understand what exactly is going nor does it proscribe any appropriate or justified remedies.

Understand, as I have observed before narcissistic trolls on RVF, highly narcissistic people do often make salient observations, but rarely if ever make substantive connections and draw relevant conclusions.

I first want to say, people who like and believe this video can't conceptualize of people with healthy, solid personal identities. They are playing a frame control game that is aimed at eroded stronger, but still weak, personal identities of others. Kimmel and Katz don't believe in strength and personal calm. Since they start with themselves, they assume that everybody else must have the same personal deficiencies as them. Old Freudian ideas that masculine men are closeted gay men that want to fuck their father. Weird and outdated psychology - welcome to modern feminism.

The videos observe the wasteland of the modern boy growing into a man. They note explosions of violence, unstable identities and inability to connect with other men. That sounds like a serious collective personality disorder, which I would usually characterize as narcissism. However, narcissism rarely presents as a singular personality disorder. Sounds like many of these boys suffer from anti-social problems and a couple seemed to have some obsessive issues.

As for the boys presented, they never mention anything about personality disorders. Isn't it funny that people who bloviate so much about "harmful thought patterns" don't understand that that is THE DEFINITION of personality disorders. Therefore, there is no racist personality disorder, misogynistic personality disorder or homophobic personality disorder. Anti-social, passive-aggressive, histronic are all personality disorders.

Isn't it funny that the video talks so much about "hyper-masculinity?" In the modern era. A clutch of boys talk very nervously about their self-identity - so fucking hyper-masculine. One problem presented here is that as society devolves and needs enemies of said obvious decline. The "Duck Dynasty" guy that said something something about practicing homosexuals was skewered immediately because he represented an incredibly easy and threatening target: a family man from tradition with a solid personal identity. All three of those concepts is incredibly threatening to mainstream identities, as independence, flight from the past and weak personal identities based on social approval are in vogue today.

Of course, is the implicit female superiority presented. Women start from themselves and part of collective female identity is that they have superior relational skills, with friends, family and romantic partners. This isn't true because the constellation of reality TV shows, etc. all know that women are worse at relationships than men.

Still, this stubbornly persistent belief bleeds over into discussions of masculinity. Women pretend that men don't communicate with one another or if they do, it isn't in an honest or effective way. We see the ridiculous multiplicity of crossed wires on the Left, as they dispute the fact that women speak more than men. It's equal or men talk more. But, men don't talk about what they truly want to talk about, just engaging in conversation to prop up their identity or maintain appearances. See the projection here?

This is also a derivation of the concept that "all men are beasts." This concept exists in most cultures and -- apparently -- is a psychological construct that helps women explain male behavior they don't understand or violent/abusive behavior males engage in. It shows the biological roots of the female hamster, as women have a tough time dealing with female homicide, child abuse or any other behavior that is seen as originating from men. To be fair, men have unfairly categorized women, as a class, as dumber than men. That isn't true from an IQ standpoint and much more reasonable observation is that women suffer, collectively, from a supreme drought of wisdom.

The other looming issue presented here is what happens when men express themselves. MRA's have long realized what happens when men talk candidly and frankly about what men are feeling. Take Kimmel. In his book "Guyland," he worked intimately with many men, only to treat them, at best, as lab rats of an inferior breed. At his worse, he shows off his true intention - to paint white men as morally repugnant, backwards, psychologically ill and potentially homicidal and rapey maniacs.

What these sorts of people don't realize is THEY are the reason men have so many issues. When feminists and women constantly label men as creepy, rapey, etc. all they do is place a damper on more honest exchanges between the sexes. Sure, the idea of a perfectly honest social dialogue between men and women is absurd on it's face, but we could be more honest. Feminism has been complicit in so many things, but one striking is sex and relationships with women - with men as the speakers. Men can't just say that men get fucked in divorce court, but Chris Rock can make jokes about women cleaning men's financial clock in divorce court.

Personally, I see feminists as latter-day torch bearers of old, puritanical ideas about sex and relationships. They really don't want sex to be talked about, but most especially by men. It isn't any surprise that early second-wave feminists thoroughly trashed gay men and treated them like dirt. Of course, they had to educate gay men about misogyny. Because women are men's moral superiors while they kick dirt in gay men's faces and call them worthless faggots. Seriously check out some of Gloria Steinem's early work in the seventies. That bitch HATES gay men. But, now she hearts the gay marriage.

Back on point, these sorts of people who are apparently dying for a conversation about changing masculinity are part and parcel of the problem. First off, they don't realize how much of American masculinity is based on female approval. Second, they don't understand the replacing the wider family unit with government bureaucrats and media is insanely damaging to the psyche of a child. Teachers, TV and social workers can't unconditionally love a child. Further, by the time kids hit the school system, personality disorders are already usually set. If we expand the system -- like Sweden -- and start the governmental intervention as early as we can, after the one year leave, those children all present similar problems later on in life. Inability to handle change, strong need for public approval and a highly deficient emotional life.

I feel they think that if men will just open up and express themselves, that will solve so many problems. Trust me, first hand experience, revealing what lies beneath is often a dumb fucking idea. Personality disorders exist to allow a person to exist in society as best they can. Further, it is a typically naive left-wing idea that if, like we all embrace the equalitarian diversity tolerance then all the plus-good stuff happens. It reeks of an authoritarian approach that assumes others will do for you, instead of you learning to do for yourself and learning to depend on others in a healthy way.

Masculinity isn't the problem, it is the solution.

You mean, Feminism is a pack of lies promoted by neurotic, hateful losers?

Really? Damn, who'd have though it?

Post: #11

TAMMY BRUCE: WAR ON BOYS ATTEMPT TO 'CREATE SOCIETY OF FRIGHTENED PEOPLE'

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/...ned-People

Quote:

Quote:Look, there is a culture through the left that wants to emasculate the nation as a whole. It's through the military, of course, you see Obama trying to do that, as well. We see it through what's happening in education. Political correctness itself was meant to end the notion that we could have direct conversations, that we could be ambitious, that we could be our own people.

Men are seen, of course, by the feminist movement and by the left who are led by the same individuals as those with the feminist-movement mentality. And they see the best way to emasculate the nation--certainly to cut it off at its knees--is to start with the children. And the biggest threat there are little boys.

If you can change the mentality of little boys, train them from an early age to not be who they are--and that's, of course, what the left's general attitude is for everyone in this country... Ironically, I think the most difficult people to train in that way are little boys.

Breitbart News also asked, "What specific response do you have when you read that a ten-year-old boy who fashioned his hand like a gun was charged and suspended from school for 'level 2 lookalike firearm'?"
Bruce answered:

Quote:It's obscene. It's an obscene attempt to effectively brainwash an entire generation. We see this in fascism all the time, but in America the absurdity is that we do it in the name of saving the children. We effectively lie to people to get the same dynamic in.
It is a truly grotesque effort to create a society of frightened people.

Post: #12

(12-29-2013 05:09 PM)Sombro Wrote:  Men don't need to man up as much as women need to man down.

Awesome and in the perfect Twitter format. Sir, I like the cut of your jib.

Post: #13

So "Man up" is the most awful thing you can tell a boy/man. Yet "#LikeAgirl" is empowering to girls/women.

Get the fuck out of here

Post: #14

Completely agree with you OP. In reality, being in an environment where they can freely grow up as boys and into men is what is healthy for young boys and teens. Instead, we have feminists taking that away, thinking that it will help.

I don't doubt that perhaps some of them don't think it will help, they just want to socially castrate young men.

Post: #15

Some feminist movement in a US city I used to live in is hosting a event somewhere and showing this film. An they were dumb enough to have the invitation flash on my news feed.

I posted my above statement (minus the get the fuck out of here) on the event page.

I'm prepared for the battle that will ensue.

edit: Well It was up for about 1 minute before it got deleted

Post: #16

My Femnazi sister sent me this after she saw my comment on the "Man up" event

Post: #17

(03-03-2015 12:17 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  So "Man up" is the most awful thing you can tell a boy/man. Yet "#LikeAgirl" is empowering to girls/women.

Get the fuck out of here

The 'concern' over 'man up' negatively affecting boys is basically just concern trolling from feminists who will then lobby to send more young women to college at the expense of men, lobby for ever more arcane and condemnatory anti-male consent laws, will lobby to socially stigmatize and criminalize male speech, will ridicule male bonding, will ridicule positive expression of masculine behavior (except that which serves women directly) and drug any boy who steps out of line with any of these particular precepts.

'Man up' indeed.

Post: #18

Excellent stuff as usual 2Wycked.

I don't know if it's been said before but this has always been my argument when people attack "traditional masculinity" and you'll find the argument works for things as nuanced as cat-calling as far as mating strategies go.

Women are the gatekeepers of sex. Masculinity has developed as a sexual strategy to get women to give up their sex. So, the masculinity that these dopes rail against is only there because on some level, it works for receiving sex. If women, en-masse, stopped rewarding this "toxic" masculinity with sex, it would start to change rapidly. Anyone can take bets on how quickly that's likely to happen though.

Post: #19

(12-23-2013 03:16 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  Ashley's insightful commentary:

Quote:I think men and women could potentially get along so much better if men knew how to communicate their feelings. If they did, I could have avoided so much stress and drama in the relationship and dating scenes. I am a firm believer in the idea of when there is a problem that comes up, communicate it with the person it concerns. Let it out, talk it out, get past it. But since men are taught to “be a man” and not show or express their emotions, there is so much they bottle up in fear of looking weak. When that happens, I sense it and it just pisses me off and makes me all kinds of uncomfortable. Now, there are men I have met who are more open and straightforward and have been able to express their emotions and me and those men get along so much better.

This idea, that women are better at communicating than men, has become so deeply ingrained in Western cultural assumptions that few people ever think about it.

Are women really better at communicating than men? Are they better - which is to say, more honest - at discussing their feelings?


Fuck, no.

Women are terrible communicators.

They use more words than men do, but more is not better.

Women tend to talk - and talk, and talk - in ellipses and riddles, expecting you to read their minds somehow.

You: "What's for dinner tonight, babe?"
Girl: "Oh... I've been so tired today..."
You: "No problem. Want me to get some Chinese food?"
Girl: "Uh... I don't know..."
You: "Indian food?"
Girl: "I'm not sure about that..."
You: "Pizza?"
Girl: "Hmm... perhaps."
You: "Thai?"
Girl: "Well... maybe."
You: "OK. What do you want?"
Girl: "I already told you! Anything! Why don't you ever listen???"

Rather than come out and say what's on their minds, they expect you to decipher passive-aggressive hints and subtle body language cues. Because they're naturally conflict-averse, they tend to circle round even the mildest of subjects in the way wary dogs do on meeting each other.

A hunting wolf will flick out its tongue, trying to taste whether its prey is giving off pheromones associated with fear. A gabbing woman is constantly thinking "How will so-and-so feel about this? And how about whatsherface?". Their minds overloaded with continually running relationship arithmetic while speaking, they struggle to get to the point.

Another problem women have is that they often don't know what they want.



The female brain is a miasma of conflicting emotions, primal urges, hamsterising, scheming, and childlike naivety.

Being good at communicating your feelings requires self-awareness and blunt honesty. How many women do you know who fit that description?

So, no. Women aren't better at talking about their feelings. That's pure hamsterese. They don't want to hear about your feelings either. They want you to listen to them talking about their favourite subject, themselves.

Post: #20

delete

Post: #21

All "professionals" analyzing this problem are from academia, the leftist and marxist echo chambers. All of them with one or more bullshit degrees like sociology. This is why it sounds like such contrived garbage, all that brain power combined and they come to the conclusions that masculinity in the school yard is causing us problems. Its the same thing they do with women, #banbossy for example.

They're picking at the narrowest view points and you really can't do anything about them, unless you police like a dictator. Which is what they really want. They're looking to prop up their useless degrees and jobs. Asking for more money from the government, so they can sit on their lazy asses and do more nothing.

How about they look at the real causes of why men are messed up in today's society. A good place to start is the family, where people originate from, but that might actually work and get most of these people out of their bullshit jobs.

Post: #22

(12-23-2013 03:16 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  Ashley's insightful commentary:

Quote:I think men and women could potentially get along so much better if men knew how to communicate their feelings. If they did, I could have avoided so much stress and drama in the relationship and dating scenes.

This is where the problem starts.

Women say they want men to 'talk about their feelings'.

A guy hears this, takes it at face value and starts talking about his hopes, dreams, fears and worries, and turns women off.

Women are entirely-uninterested in any of this.

All they are saying is they want men to 'talk about their feelings for them'.

When they ask you "What are you thinking about?" they're wanting to hear "You." If you were not thinking about anything in particular, or thinking of something you know is too complex a topic for their eternally-teenage, self-obsessed mind to comprehend, then you'll probably say "nothing", which her narcissism will read as "I'm thinking about You, but won't say anything out loud because it must be negative." Which means, she'll prod and poke further.

They wonder why so many of us pretend to go to sleep or bolt for the door directly after sex. It's Peace Attainment.