Post: #26

Several problems I have noticed with it. I do a 1 tsp a day in water. In water a lot of the starch will clump at the bottom and you have to add more later to drink the remaining batch. I will slowly add a tsp either per week or every other week depending on how my gut reacts to it. I have weak immune system due to chronic IBD so jumping up to tbsp is a no go. If it gets real bad I will drop it entirely since gas can trigger excruciating pain.

Post: #27

(12-31-2013 08:37 AM)kbell Wrote:  Several problems I have noticed with it. I do a 1 tsp a day in water. In water a lot of the starch will clump at the bottom and you have to add more later to drink the remaining batch. I will slowly add a tsp either per week or every other week depending on how my gut reacts to it. I have weak immune system due to chronic IBD so jumping up to tbsp is a no go. If it gets real bad I will drop it entirely since gas can trigger excruciating pain.

I thought that the proposal here about resistance starch in the form of potato starch was that a guy needed to take a sufficient quantity in order to see a benefit? 1 tsp per week seems to be quite a low quantity in order to realize a benefit.

On the other hand, it is likely that most of us have lived pretty well without the ingestion of potato starch prior to reading this thread, and some of us have felt fairly healthy without PS, so potato starch should merely serve as icing on our health cake - to potentially boost other dietary benefits that we may be receiving from other foods.

My personal diet has a lot more daily variance than it does weekly variance, and in that regard, I tend to rotate foods. Accordingly, I plan to take potato starch every 1 to 3 days. A few days ago, I went to two stores (smart and final and trader joes) before I finally found Bob’s Red Mill potato starch at Whole Foods.

Whole foods had both potato starch and potato flour by that same manufacturer, Bob’s Red Mill. The two products look almost the same, the potato flour was more tan in color and the potato starch was more white. Mine cost me $3.89 for 1.5 pounds.

I began to mix the PS with various foods that I was eating, and I even put it in my coffee. And, as Kbell mentioned, the PS seems to have a very thickening effect that tends to settle at the bottom of beverages. When it is mixed in a food it will absorb the liquid and cause thickening.

I am really NOT much for precise measuring, yet over the last few days, probably, I have ingested 6-10 table spoons of this stuff, and I have NOT noticed any major differences, yet. NO changes in my gas, so far.
I intend to report further about how this experiment progresses.

Post: #28

Yeah Kbell, Jay's right...you're eating way too little of it to have any real effect.

Anyhow, based on one of Richard's posts (I forget which one exactly), they discussed how RS is particularly good for getting probiotic foods past the stomach and into the intestines, as most probiotic foods like yogurt almost never make it past your stomach.

So I've been mixing the starch into my Organic Plain Greek Yogurt, letting it sit for a few minutes and then eating it.

It's only been a few days for me at 4 tbsps., and so far none of the drawbacks of bad gas or headaches.

But I do notice my sleeping and dreaming have been deep and lucid, and I've been waking up feeling more energetic than usual - one of the reported benefits.

But it's not been anything drastic.

The thing about this whole RS deal, is that it's supposed to really help people with diabetes and high blood glucose levels stabilize and control their appetites, so perhaps, for a guy like me who's been eating so good for so long, it's not going to have a huge effect like it will on others.

But hey, I bought a big bag of the stuff, so I'll just keep doing this until I run out and see if I get anymore benefits or not.

Post: #29

I will work up to a 1 tbsp if all else is good. But I tend to be very conservative with introducing new foods due to stomach pains and wanting to know what foods cause the problems. I know 4 tbsp is theraputic, but it probably still has some effect at lower dosages. 1 tbsp in water would be an awful way to take it though since it would be hard to choke down. Its pretty strong tasting dissolved in water at a teaspoon. Also gut bacteria If I remember correctly takes months to close to a year to really equalize out. Nothing happens quickly gut wise when you change your diet.

Post: #30

I've been taking the Bobs brand Potato Starch for about a week now, it's easy to mix in 1.5 tablespoons at a time with 1-2 spoonfuls of pyscillum husk and creatine, that mixes well in water and is easy to take. I got some of the Bob's Red Mill Arrowroot flour but haven't tried it yet. How are you guys taking the potato starch flour?

Post: #31

(01-01-2014 01:48 PM)billbudsocket Wrote:  I've been taking the Bobs brand Potato Starch for about a week now, it's easy to mix in 1.5 tablespoons at a time with 1-2 spoonfuls of pyscillum husk and creatine, that mixes well in water and is easy to take. I got some of the Bob's Red Mill Arrowroot flour but haven't tried it yet. How are you guys taking the potato starch flour?

Didn't you mean potato starch? Potato flour seems to be different from potato starch, though who knows if the effects are different? The argument is that potato starch has the better resistance starch effect.

I already mentioned what i am doing, which is mixing the potato starch into whatever food I am eating - which I tend to like to mix some of my food into stews anyhow (several times a week, I tend to consume some kind of stew food item). I have also mixed potato starch into my coffee - though I am sure that it would mix o.k with other beverages as well, which I have NOT yet tried.

Post: #32

I used Bob's potato starch for a while and will continue to. I haven't noticed much except my appetite seemed to abate a bit - I still eat a lot, but I don't feel intense hunger pangs like I usually do. It even seemed to stabilize my moods a little bit, and make me feel more resilient, stoic. Considering its documented effects on stabilizing blood sugar levels, this isn't so farfetched. Also, potato starch plus honey before bed will turn your sleep into slumber.

One thing though: gas. I had tons of gas at the beginning, and still get a fair amount, especially if I do 3-4 tbsp day instead of 2.

Post: #33

I stopped taking it since my GI doctor claimed it had inulin in it which is terrible for my IBD. Also it made the problem of wet farting worse which I still get once a month for a few days at time. Nasty side effect I got after taking a antibiotic last summer for a lingering cold.

Post: #34

I dunno, I don't see the point. I followed everybody's diet-related advice on here, and in the end, nothing really worked (and a few things I tried made me feel like crap). I already eat a healthy diet, I juice my veggies to get in all my vitamins/minerals, I lift heavy weights, I sleep really well, etc. Ultimately, I think this is more important than anything else. Get your diet and lifestyle dialed in, and you don't really need to supplement your diet with anything.

Post: #35

(04-08-2014 08:12 AM)SteveCR Wrote:  I dunno, I don't see the point. I followed everybody's diet-related advice on here, and in the end, nothing really worked (and a few things I tried made me feel like crap). I already eat a healthy diet, I juice my veggies to get in all my vitamins/minerals, I lift heavy weights, I sleep really well, etc. Ultimately, I think this is more important than anything else. Get your diet and lifestyle dialed in, and you don't really need to supplement your diet with anything.

I'm NOT sure whether I understand the point of your above post, SteveCR. You are saying that you followed advice in this thread by taking resistance starch? or some other nutrition advice from the forum? There is NO real consistent consensus on advice in this thread or any other health and nutrition thread on RVF, from what i have read, - even though there seems to be greater consensus in some health-related topics as compared with other health-related topics.

RVF guys seem to participate in these kinds of nutrition threads to share ideas, and some ideas are going to resonate more with some guys as compared with others.

The results and outcomes from resistance starch is far from conclusive, but the science seems to suggest that it has a tendency to reduce blood sugar levels - and it seems to have other effects as well such as the gastrointestinal effects. Some of these negative or positive effects may NOT apply or be helpful to every guy at whatever health state he is in. Surely age, activity level, preexisting health status and other health factors will likely cause varying results for guys.

Also, you may have read from earlier in the thread that some of these concepts about resistance starch are fairly new areas of exploration - that had been recently been coming out in some of the mainstream nutrition news.

For me, even though I may NOT agree with each of the various references in this thread, the discussion brought to light, for me, the importance of gut flora and considering ways to facilitate healthy gut flora. Also, I have recently converted into low carb eating (in the last couple of years), but ideas in this thread has caused me to reconsider some of my thinking about the role of carbs and the likely biological fact that a certain amount of carbs is necessary for good health and for good gut flora, which has also caused me to reconsider how I categorize some kinds of foods that contain different kinds of carbs in my own way of thinking as good or bad or a mixture of good and bad.

Certainly, I take with a grain of salt any suggestion to eat a bunch of cold potatoes or cold rice, but here and there, I am more inclined to add a little bit of those kinds of resistance starch foods back into my eating, or at least NOT to be so conceptually hostile to the thoughts of eating some of those kinds of foods if I were to encounter them on my table.

Your suggestion about just get your diet and lifestyle dialed in and exercise (lift weight) is fairly general and maybe you know what you are referring to and maybe these practices seem to be working for you, at the moment, but they do NOT really particularize how resistance starch may or may NOT play into that (the subject of this thread).

And, your suggestion about NOT supplementing with anything may also be working for you, at the moment, but it is far from insightful regarding what may work for other guys with a variety of health considerations and a variety of ideas about what supplementation means - are we talking about dietary supplement by pill or by some kind of natural food or some other kind of supplement.

So in this thread discussion, some negative health circumstances may be ameliorated for some guys by forms of supplementation, including considering their dietary resistance starch levels.

Post: #36

Look up Blue Zones. Do you think they supplement their diet with powdered resistant starch?

Post: #37

(04-08-2014 11:49 AM)SteveCR Wrote:  Look up Blue Zones. Do you think they supplement their diet with powdered resistant starch?

As a courtesy, why don't you link to whatever is your reference and provide us a little explanation about how the contents of your reference relates to the topic of this thread and/or supports the content of your now two sparse posts?

Post: #38

Well, I've since completed my bag of potato starch, and haven't bought anymore. It hasn't really had any major effects for me....but then again, I've already got years of eating pretty damn clean.

Also, I still eat a lot of resistant starch normally in my diet, AND I also eat a lot of fermented foods.

Apparently, a lot of folks that have had bad reactions to daily doses of 4 tbsp of starch are due to the fact that they don't have the beneficial bacteria in their guts that thrive off of resistant starch.

Dr. Art Ayers at his cooling inflammation blog (a top notch blog on diet and nutrition written by a molecular biologist intensely interested in the human gut biome and it's link to health and immunity), recommends that people who have bad reactions to resistant starch should start eating a lot of fermented vegetables to get the sort of gut bacteria that will benefit from the resistant starch.

My diet has been full of fermented vegetables for a long time. I eat sauerkraut, kim chee, poi regularly, so combine that with my regular eating of resistant starch (cold rice), I'm not surprised I did not experience any of the dramatic changes in health others have reported from taking the potato starch.

But if you're one of those folks that had issues with the starch (like bad gas, constipation and/or diarrhea), try upping your intake of fermented vegetables for a bit than perhaps give the potato starch another try?

Post: #39

I have fermented vegetables often, but not quite daily. I do have lots of milk kefir, every day. And yet the potato starch gave me significant gas, and it didn't relent despite weeks of starch consumption.

I will try having fermented vegetables more regularly, as well as more natural sources of resistant starch.

Post: #40

(04-08-2014 10:08 PM)K Galt Wrote:  Well, I've since completed my bag of potato starch, and haven't bought anymore. It hasn't really had any major effects for me....but then again, I've already got years of eating pretty damn clean.

This was pretty much the point to my post yesterday. By getting in all of our nutrients on a consistent basis (not necessarily daily, as the body just doesn't work that way), there's not much of a need to supplement anything (beyond fish oil and D3).

Post: #41

(04-08-2014 10:08 PM)K Galt Wrote:  Dr. Art Ayers at his cooling inflammation blog (a top notch blog on diet and nutrition written by a molecular biologist intensely interested in the human gut biome and it's link to health and immunity), recommends that people who have bad reactions to resistant starch should start eating a lot of fermented vegetables to get the sort of gut bacteria that will benefit from the resistant starch.

What an excellent blog - thanks for sharing it. I'm already doing most of his anti-inflammatory diet (something that I highly believe in), but there are a few things that I need to modify on my existing diet. One is removing dairy probiotics and replacing them with fermented foods. I already consume resistant starch in my diet, so nothing to modify there.

I'm not fond of his idea to limit starch in general. Things like eating 1/2 a banana, etc. I live in the tropics, and a starch-based diet is just the way of life. Consider the various Blue Zones (areas where there is a concentrated portion of the population that live 100+ years, healthy and active) - they all eat a high-starch diet (things like corn, potatoes, beans and rice are staples the world over).

Post: #42

@ Basil - Just be sure you're eating truly fermented vegetables. For instance, most store bought brands of sauerkraut are pasteurized and pickled with vinegar, rather than made the traditional way of salting and mashing and fermenting.

@ SteveCR - One is removing dairy probiotics and replacing them with fermented foods. I already consume resistant starch in my diet, so nothing to modify there.


It's not that Dr. Ayers is opposed to dairy probiotics, his main point is that many people think dairy probiotics are all that they need to colonize their guts with the good bacteria...especially after undergoing a round of antibiotic treatment. Antibiotics destroy both good and bad bacteria in the gut, and can lead to digestive and health issues for many years later if you don't repopulate your gut with all the good bacteria the antibiotics killed off. His primary point is that dairy probiotics like yogurt and kefir will not do that....fermented vegetables are best for that.

Dairy probiotics are still good food, and does help your digestion and absorption of nutrients, no need to give them up. They're just not the answer for re-colonizing your gut with good bacteria.

Post: #43

(04-08-2014 11:34 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  I'm NOT sure whether I understand the point of your above post, SteveCR. You are saying that you followed advice in this thread by taking resistance starch? or some other nutrition advice from the forum? There is NO real consistent consensus on advice in this thread or any other health and nutrition thread on RVF, from what i have read, - even though there seems to be greater consensus in some health-related topics as compared with other health-related topics.

RVF guys seem to participate in these kinds of nutrition threads to share ideas, and some ideas are going to resonate more with some guys as compared with others.

The results and outcomes from resistance starch is far from conclusive, but the science seems to suggest that it has a tendency to reduce blood sugar levels - and it seems to have other effects as well such as the gastrointestinal effects. Some of these negative or positive effects may NOT apply or be helpful to every guy at whatever health state he is in. Surely age, activity level, preexisting health status and other health factors will likely cause varying results for guys.

Also, you may have read from earlier in the thread that some of these concepts about resistance starch are fairly new areas of exploration - that had been recently been coming out in some of the mainstream nutrition news.

For me, even though I may NOT agree with each of the various references in this thread, the discussion brought to light, for me, the importance of gut flora and considering ways to facilitate healthy gut flora. Also, I have recently converted into low carb eating (in the last couple of years), but ideas in this thread has caused me to reconsider some of my thinking about the role of carbs and the likely biological fact that a certain amount of carbs is necessary for good health and for good gut flora, which has also caused me to reconsider how I categorize some kinds of foods that contain different kinds of carbs in my own way of thinking as good or bad or a mixture of good and bad.

Certainly, I take with a grain of salt any suggestion to eat a bunch of cold potatoes or cold rice, but here and there, I am more inclined to add a little bit of those kinds of resistance starch foods back into my eating, or at least NOT to be so conceptually hostile to the thoughts of eating some of those kinds of foods if I were to encounter them on my table.

Your suggestion about just get your diet and lifestyle dialed in and exercise (lift weight) is fairly general and maybe you know what you are referring to and maybe these practices seem to be working for you, at the moment, but they do NOT really particularize how resistance starch may or may NOT play into that (the subject of this thread).

And, your suggestion about NOT supplementing with anything may also be working for you, at the moment, but it is far from insightful regarding what may work for other guys with a variety of health considerations and a variety of ideas about what supplementation means - are we talking about dietary supplement by pill or by some kind of natural food or some other kind of supplement.

So in this thread discussion, some negative health circumstances may be ameliorated for some guys by forms of supplementation, including considering their dietary resistance starch levels.

No, I have never supplemented my diet with resistant starch - I get it in my existing diet, which was my original point. We shouldn't have to supplement anything (even fish oil and vitamin d3), because our diets *should* be adequate.

Cronometer.com (free site). Input the foods/drinks you consume over 1 day. See how deficient you are in your various macro/micronutrients. Change your diet so that you're getting a minimum of 100% of the RDA for each of those nutrients. That's really all you have to do.

Post: #44

(04-08-2014 12:17 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 11:49 AM)SteveCR Wrote:  Look up Blue Zones. Do you think they supplement their diet with powdered resistant starch?

As a courtesy, why don't you link to whatever is your reference and provide us a little explanation about how the contents of your reference relates to the topic of this thread and/or supports the content of your now two sparse posts?

Blue Zones are areas in the world where the population typically lives the longest, healthiest lives on earth. They have a large portion of centenarians (those that live to be 100+ years) that are still active and healthy. We have a Blue Zone here in Costa Rica. It would make sense to model our lives after the centenarians that live in Blue Zones, wouldn't it?

Their diets do vary from region to region, but they are all carb-heavy, they all eat animals, and some of them consume dairy.

As I get older, longevity is becoming increasingly important to me, which is a big reason in why I've modeled my lifestyle after the healthiest and happiest people on earth - the centenarians that live in Blue Zones.

(04-09-2014 02:32 PM)K Galt Wrote:  It's not that Dr. Ayers is opposed to dairy probiotics, his main point is that many people think dairy probiotics are all that they need to colonize their guts with the good bacteria...especially after undergoing a round of antibiotic treatment. Antibiotics destroy both good and bad bacteria in the gut, and can lead to digestive and health issues for many years later if you don't repopulate your gut with all the good bacteria the antibiotics killed off. His primary point is that dairy probiotics like yogurt and kefir will not do that....fermented vegetables are best for that.

Dairy probiotics are still good food, and does help your digestion and absorption of nutrients, no need to give them up. They're just not the answer for re-colonizing your gut with good bacteria.

Ahh okay. I misunderstood his comments then. Really good blog, though. Definitely one of the better ones I've read in some time now.

Post: #45

(04-09-2014 07:52 PM)SteveCR Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 11:34 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  I'm NOT sure whether I understand the point of your above post, SteveCR. You are saying that you followed advice in this thread by taking resistance starch? or some other nutrition advice from the forum? There is NO real consistent consensus on advice in this thread or any other health and nutrition thread on RVF, from what i have read, - even though there seems to be greater consensus in some health-related topics as compared with other health-related topics.

RVF guys seem to participate in these kinds of nutrition threads to share ideas, and some ideas are going to resonate more with some guys as compared with others.

The results and outcomes from resistance starch is far from conclusive, but the science seems to suggest that it has a tendency to reduce blood sugar levels - and it seems to have other effects as well such as the gastrointestinal effects. Some of these negative or positive effects may NOT apply or be helpful to every guy at whatever health state he is in. Surely age, activity level, preexisting health status and other health factors will likely cause varying results for guys.

Also, you may have read from earlier in the thread that some of these concepts about resistance starch are fairly new areas of exploration - that had been recently been coming out in some of the mainstream nutrition news.

For me, even though I may NOT agree with each of the various references in this thread, the discussion brought to light, for me, the importance of gut flora and considering ways to facilitate healthy gut flora. Also, I have recently converted into low carb eating (in the last couple of years), but ideas in this thread has caused me to reconsider some of my thinking about the role of carbs and the likely biological fact that a certain amount of carbs is necessary for good health and for good gut flora, which has also caused me to reconsider how I categorize some kinds of foods that contain different kinds of carbs in my own way of thinking as good or bad or a mixture of good and bad.

Certainly, I take with a grain of salt any suggestion to eat a bunch of cold potatoes or cold rice, but here and there, I am more inclined to add a little bit of those kinds of resistance starch foods back into my eating, or at least NOT to be so conceptually hostile to the thoughts of eating some of those kinds of foods if I were to encounter them on my table.

Your suggestion about just get your diet and lifestyle dialed in and exercise (lift weight) is fairly general and maybe you know what you are referring to and maybe these practices seem to be working for you, at the moment, but they do NOT really particularize how resistance starch may or may NOT play into that (the subject of this thread).

And, your suggestion about NOT supplementing with anything may also be working for you, at the moment, but it is far from insightful regarding what may work for other guys with a variety of health considerations and a variety of ideas about what supplementation means - are we talking about dietary supplement by pill or by some kind of natural food or some other kind of supplement.

So in this thread discussion, some negative health circumstances may be ameliorated for some guys by forms of supplementation, including considering their dietary resistance starch levels.

No, I have never supplemented my diet with resistant starch - I get it in my existing diet, which was my original point. We shouldn't have to supplement anything (even fish oil and vitamin d3), because our diets *should* be adequate.

Cronometer.com (free site). Input the foods/drinks you consume over 1 day. See how deficient you are in your various macro/micronutrients. Change your diet so that you're getting a minimum of 100% of the RDA for each of those nutrients. That's really all you have to do.

Some guys may NOT want to input their data into some random website whether it is "free" or not.

As you may realize, the area of nutrition is NOT exactly black and white and NOT exactly free from controversial theories. So, why should guys on this forum trust to put their info into that website? Do you have any affiliation with such website?

Also, there are battles between various schools of thoughts and mainstream nutrition. Personally, I do NOT buy into a lot of mainstream nutrition dogma; however, there may be some areas that I am willing to accept.. or to follow in moderation.

I doubt that I could get customized feedback, up to my individual preferences through a nutrition algorithm... especially, when I do NOT even know who programed that algorithm and the assumptions built within the algorithm.

Post: #46

(04-09-2014 08:05 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  Some guys may NOT want to input their data into some random website whether it is "free" or not.

As you may realize, the area of nutrition is NOT exactly black and white and NOT exactly free from controversial theories. So, why should guys on this forum trust to put their info into that website? Do you have any affiliation with such website?

Also, there are battles between various schools of thoughts and mainstream nutrition. Personally, I do NOT buy into a lot of mainstream nutrition dogma; however, there may be some areas that I am willing to accept.. or to follow in moderation.

I doubt that I could get customized feedback, up to my individual preferences through a nutrition algorithm... especially, when I do NOT even know who programed that algorithm and the assumptions built within the algorithm.

No, I am not affiliated with cronometer. Why are you so paranoid?

You'll learn the hard way, some people just have to do that. In the end, you'll figure out what I've already told you (and what websites such as cronometer.com or nutritiondata.com will show you).

Post: #47

(04-09-2014 08:15 PM)SteveCR Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 08:05 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  Some guys may NOT want to input their data into some random website whether it is "free" or not.

As you may realize, the area of nutrition is NOT exactly black and white and NOT exactly free from controversial theories. So, why should guys on this forum trust to put their info into that website? Do you have any affiliation with such website?

Also, there are battles between various schools of thoughts and mainstream nutrition. Personally, I do NOT buy into a lot of mainstream nutrition dogma; however, there may be some areas that I am willing to accept.. or to follow in moderation.

I doubt that I could get customized feedback, up to my individual preferences through a nutrition algorithm... especially, when I do NOT even know who programed that algorithm and the assumptions built within the algorithm.

No, I am not affiliated with cronometer. Why are you so paranoid?

You'll learn the hard way, some people just have to do that. In the end, you'll figure out what I've already told you (and what websites such as cronometer.com or nutritiondata.com will show you).

I am NOT sure whether I am wasting my time and the time of other RVF guys on this thread to attempt to engage with you in any kind of meaningful way. It seems to be a fruitless endeavor... or maybe like pulling teeth or maybe I am being too subtle in my suggestions to attempt to get meaningful substance out of you.

Do you read RVF threads before you jump into them to give your various lectures?

How do you expect guys to grant any credibility to you if you do NOT explain how you arrived at various opinionated conclusions?

By the way, you may find out, if you are around long enough, that guys in RVF are generally of a variety of perspectives, but generally expect a certain courtesy and experiential based sharing of knowledge. Your bare assertions of expertise in nutrition or any other areas of life will likely wear thin and quickly.. especially, since you seem to be a forum newbie.. and kind of acting like one who has NOT gotten acclimatized, too.

Regarding my question regarding your affiliation the website, that seems far from "paranoid", though I may have some paranoia in various ways.. but this is NOT about me.. Anyhow, my question about you affiliation would be a question that any guy could have when a member is referring other members to outside of RFV or outside of known "neutral" sources.

For your own good, you may want to consider reading up a little bit about RVF and RVF culture and maybe practice some of your posting in the newbie sections of RVF b/c you surely are NOT coming off too well with me. Actually, the more I read your posts, the less impressed I become.... .. Yet, I am just one person, with no actual RVF authority ... so take my comments as you will...

Post: #48

So Richard's latest post at Free the Animal is an important one concerning this topic of Resistant Starch.

In all of his past posts, numerous people commented on how much the potato starch has helped out their various health issues...

...but a few people had bad reactions to it as well.

People like me, had not much effect at all.

Apparently the real issue is what the make up of your gut biome is.

The latest post makes a good point - if you have a bad bad reaction to potato starch, it's a sign that you may have some seriously bad gut bugs and you may need to try some other things to fix your issues - like taking pro-biotic supplements.

Anyone who's tried the starch and had a really bad reaction to it really should read that latest post!

Post: #49

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0049NRWHS/?tag=fretheani0c-20

I saw that on that link. Never tried soil based probiotics. Hopefully they are worth their cost.


Not sure about the bacterial testing, I have no idea what type of doctor could read that and make suggestions. I know its the future of health, just most doctors want to fix things with pills. And the wholesitic doctors can get quite wacky with energy waves and acupuncture (hated that shit they would hit hair follicles all the time and I was not a fan of lying still with needles in me).

Post: #50

(04-11-2014 08:57 AM)kbell Wrote:  http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0049NRWHS/?tag=fretheani0c-20

I saw that on that link. Never tried soil based probiotics. Hopefully they are worth their cost.


Not sure about the bacterial testing, I have no idea what type of doctor could read that and make suggestions. I know its the future of health, just most doctors want to fix things with pills. And the wholesitic doctors can get quite wacky with energy waves and acupuncture (hated that shit they would hit hair follicles all the time and I was not a fan of lying still with needles in me).

Some of the low-carb doctors may be more competent in the areas of NOT resorting to drugs or surgery for everything, and more knowledgeable about dietary ideas. So far, I have NOT found one that was close to me and acceptable with my insurance carrier.

I know Jimmy Moore had maintained a list of low-carb doctors, so there may be one in your area from his list that may be a possibility.

http://lowcarbdoctors.blogspot.com/