Post: #276

(12-28-2013 03:39 PM)MrXY Wrote:  You're evading the point here, which is that this is the first time that a "knockout crime" has resulted in a FEDERAL charge. Eric Holder (appointed by Obama) doesn't give a shit about hate crimes against white people as evidenced by his dismissal of the Black Panther voter intimidation case when there was clear video evidence of racial intimidation against white people at a polling place

Unless it's a hate crime, there's no other Federal charge that could possibly be levied for punching someone in the face. Maybe you don't agree with that, but it is what it is, that's the law. Unless it's racially motivated(with actual evidence of such), then it's a local police matter.

The black panthers standing outside a pooling center is not a hate crime. If they had beat someone up then that's a different story. Not saying I agree with them being there, but in the clip you posted they said one of them had permission to be there as a poll guard.

Quote:"My people"? I guess Holder's "people" aren't the American people-just the ones he feels a racial kinship with. A white politician would have been fired immediately if he dared make such a racially partisan statement and abused his office in the way Holder has.

This is where I think there's just a chasm between the way whites think and the way blacks think on matters like this. It reminds me of how whites say, "but if there were a White Entertainment Channel it would be racist!" Consider that Holder is 62 and lived through seeing all that horrific stuff in the south that we only see on old video clips. To us(younger people) it's history, to him it's a not so distant memory. I think as a black person, I understand there is no malice whatsoever in the way that he said "my people" and that for us, there's no contradiction in using that term and still seeing Americans at large as your fellow countrymen. If whites were a minority in a black majority country with a long history of brutal oppression and slavery against whites, I wouldn't find a white saying "my people" under that specific context to be the least bit offensive. But I also understand that people such as yourself will just never see it the way I do. I think Holder's choice of words were poor, but I don't think he's a black nationalist or a racist or meant anything ill-spirited by it...at all. That's my take on it.

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Funny thing is that Holder, genetically is probably more Caucasian than he is African, by the looks of him.

Post: #277

(12-28-2013 12:44 PM)kbell Wrote:  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013...-suspect-/

Roosh posted this on facebook recently. Basically a white person knocked out a black older guy and the Obama administration is charging the man with a hate crime. They were mysteriously silent when blacks where knocking out whites and Jews.

I think this is getting carried away and pure media race trolling. You need proof it was a hate crime and not just some random act of violence.

Take this for example.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/10/08/s...are-punch/

This black guy was overheard saying he was going to knock out the next white guy and he did but ended up killing him in the process. With the witnesses, they have proof and charged him with a hate crime.

The white Texas guy made the proof part pretty easy.

Post: #278

(12-28-2013 05:06 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 12:44 PM)kbell Wrote:  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013...-suspect-/

Roosh posted this on facebook recently. Basically a white person knocked out a black older guy and the Obama administration is charging the man with a hate crime. They were mysteriously silent when blacks where knocking out whites and Jews.

I think this is getting carried away and pure media race trolling. You need proof it was a hate crime and not just some random act of violence.

Take this for example.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/10/08/s...are-punch/

This black guy was overheard saying he was going to knock out the next white guy and he did but ended up killing him in the process. With the witnesses, they have proof and charged him with a hate crime.

The white Texas guy made the proof part pretty easy.

I know this isn't a laughing matter but this quote...

Quote:In an earlier jailhouse interview, Marten told the New York Daily News he’s not racist because he’s punched people of various races.

I'm guessing that killing an elderly person has about as much prestige being bars as being a child killer.

Post: #279

(12-28-2013 02:22 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 12:44 PM)kbell Wrote:  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013...-suspect-/

Roosh posted this on facebook recently. Basically a white person knocked out a black older guy and the Obama administration is charging the man with a hate crime. They were mysteriously silent when blacks where knocking out whites and Jews.

The Washington Times is a right-wing rag. The right is so desperate to stick this on Obama it's ridiculous. The Oval Office isn't personally involved with charging individuals with hate crimes.

The first three words of the article states "The Obama administration . . . ." The Justice department is part of the Obama administration, so the article is true.

The fact is Obama is personally responsible for everything that the Justice Department does because he overseas the executive branch, which includes the Justice Department, and because he personally handpicked Holder. Perhaps you have forgotten what the press did to President Bush over the issues with Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.

It has only been like this for 200 years or so.

Post: #280

^^^ Fair enough. But I have seen trends in right-wing media where they try hard to make random violence against whites look like the fault of Obama. I remember either it was Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh that was commenting on some black kid that beat up a white kid a on school bus in St. Louis caught on tape and he commented, "This is Obama's America".

Post: #281

(12-28-2013 06:11 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  ^^^ Fair enough. But I have seen trends in right-wing media where they try hard to make random violence against whites look like the fault of Obama. I remember either it was Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh that was commenting on some black kid that beat up a white kid a on school bus in St. Louis caught on tape and he commented, "This is Obama's America".

Well, it is difficult to form an opinion on that without seeing the quote in its full context.

I do know that most of the race baiters are on the left side of the aisle. Every year on college campuses black students report false hate attacks that later prove false. Even white liberals have been caught spray painting hateful messages regarding race that they blame on straw men. Then they get caught.

http://fakehatecrimes.org/

This has gone on for decades. The most famous case was Tawana Brawley.

Quote:Tawana Glenda Brawley (born 1972) is an African-American woman from Wappingers Falls, New York, who gained notoriety in 1987–88 for falsely accusing six white men of having raped her.

The charges received widespread national attention because of her age (15), the persons accused (including police officers and a prosecuting attorney), and the shocking state in which Brawley was found after the alleged rape (in a trash bag, with racial slurs written on her body and covered in feces). Brawley's accusations were given widespread media attention in part from the involvement of her advisers, including the Reverend Al Sharpton and attorneys Alton H. Maddox and C. Vernon Mason.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Braw...llegations

Post: #282

The very concept of a "hate crime" is a travesty and should be considered unconstitutional. There is no "hate crime" -- there is just crime, period. Intentionally knocking someone out cold is already a crime -- why should it matter if you did it because they were black, or white, or yellow, or because you didn't like the look of their jacket, or just for the hell of it?

Declaring something to be a "hate crime" which thereby deserves a harsher penalty is equivalent to saying that having a "hateful thought" -- which by itself is not a crime -- magically becomes a crime when bundled with an action which is already a crime anyway. So effectively this creates a new thought crime by illicitly sneaking in the "hateful thought" as an aggravating circumstance. It's an indirect way of punishing someone for their opinions, and it clearly contradicts the spirit of the Constitution and of the Bill of Rights.

Post: #283

http://pix11.com/2014/01/04/man-arrested...z2pTkdILgV

Post: #284

Katy man charged with a federal hate crime after knockout attack left elderly black man hospitalized

http://m.chron.com/neighborhood/fortbend...093904.php

Post: #285

Guy tries to knock girl out, gets soccer kicked in the face by some random guy.

Post: #286