(10-03-2018 07:44 AM)kazz Wrote:  You guys are spot on re: wasting time on pussy. But thing is for me, I was a nerd totally little interest in women until 17. Then I started going out clubbing, travelling etc and 25 years later, though i have toned it down alot, I think only with lowing testosterone. I cannot exist day to day without dreaming of women, its like everything I have done for the past 25 years has been to get women. It motivates me, makes me feel alive, work out, work hard, buy properties. I think its like for me its the pinnacle of what makes me feel good, which makes scence biologically speaking. Are many of you guys like this? or were like this? In my 20s and 30s it was beyond a point of obsession. Literally everything I did and talked about was somehow related to pussy.

Perhaps I should have married sooner and had kids? But there is no way I could have stayed faithful, its only now I feel deep inside me that I really could settle with one good women and have a kid. The feeling and thought actually fill me with a deep sense of calm, but at the same time still feels a bit boring.

Id really appreciate some words of wisdom. Im 43 BTW

That is a fair assessment, kazz, and surely each guy has to reach those kinds of balance considerations for himself - whether he plans ahead or bumps into some kind of spontaneous situation that causes him to change his thinking.

Lucky thing for guys seems to be that if you keep your finances together, then you are likely to continue to have decent chances to land some kind of decent chick that you can get pregnant - even if you are quite older (if you are lucky enough as to not have died or not screwed up your hormones - meaning sperm production).

Guys don't have as much of a biological clock or a looks issue; however, many RVFers realize that options are considerably increased by taking active measures to maintain or to build your physical health(power).

I don't really believe in living any kind of world of regret - even though, as you suggest, certain courses of action (including pursuing multiple pussy) will provide some opportunity costs including seeing guys that are much younger with well established families, including grand children and great grandchildren, which can provide a bit of its own power and status in society.

By the way, I have personally had a few incidents in my life, now, in which I had come very close to death, so even if we have plans to establish a family at a certain age or under certain conditions that are into the future, we have to realize a certain level of inability to control some aspects - and death, which is inevitable, may end up coming a lot sooner than expected (disability can be another variation of that unexpected less powerful scenario playing out).

(10-03-2018 01:09 PM)robreke Wrote:  I'll soon be pushing upper 40s. a girl I mentioned a few pages back in this thread wants to come out to Texas to visit me. I live between here and another state, where we are both from.

I think it maybe a good test. Her and I living together here for 3 or 4 days before I boot her out ( I don't want to "live" with a woman more than 2-4 days right now) Also, if she starts to drive me nuts after 48 hours, it'd be good to send her on her way.

She's 30, same race as me, attractive, no kids, tats or weird piercings. She comes from a traditional background. One red flag is she's taking an anti depressant. She had a semi-traumatic upbringing according to her but is now on good terms with her parents. She's also headed in the right direction as earlier this year when I hooked up with her she was a little underweight. now, she's gained it all back, got down to just this one medication, and looks healthy and good.

She texts me pretty regular wishing me a good day, sending random pictures of her decorating for fall, etc.

That said, her taking the medication is obviously a red flag and one I'm hesitant about. It's wise to test any girl before committing long term but this is a reason I would especially test her.

Part of me would like to keep traveling to Northern and EE and dating the girls there. I've had mixed success on only 2 - 2 week trips. However, to get one of those women to commit longer term, you pretty much need to live there and with my career, I can't do more than 3 or so week stays.

If I want a solid LTR and family, I'll have to make a decision at some point, obviously. It's good to have options at least.

Your aversion towards living with any chick seems to be a decent inclination, and likely better than my own practice, in which I lived with a few chicks and as soon as it gets into the "living with" category, a lot of the desire to bang seems to get worn out - yet it is possible with a kind of decent arrangement that involves a kind of balancing out of activities and space, there could be some preservation of the bang desire over longer periods... I have not gone down the kid road, so I would suppose that could stifle bang desire even more.

I am not that red-flagged out by the anti-depressants, yet surely it could be a bad sign, and if you are around her long enough, you would want her to wean herself off of that crap.. in the longer run, as long as she is otherwise a compatible person.

A red flag that you raised was that you had already kicked her out after only a couple of days, maybe we need more details about what motivated you only after a couple of days, to kick her out?

Your suggestion about the trips are good; however, trips are frequently not close to the boringness of real life, even though it can test being able to work through various itinerary scenarios and seeing the person every day for a couple of weeks or more.

Ultimately, you seem to already have your answer in terms of testing the chick out, and that is spending a decent amount of time with, and going through various scenarios, and perhaps even some of the boringness of the day to day, rather than trips that are sometimes too exotic to camouflage real life and the tending to be more regular (and perhaps boring) events of what you are likely doing on a daily basis in your normal routines.

(09-30-2018 08:28 PM)Zep Wrote:  Re: Vitamins etc.

Why would a human being with a clear mindset buy vitamin preparates? That's poisson and a waste of money.

Eat healthy (and non genetic maninpulated trash) instead and you shall be healthy and feel good.

Some examples for natural sources of vitamin C may be found here

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname...t&dbid=109

Was thinking of opening up a new thread with a difficult question. But since there was a discussion on legacy and purpose, I will just post it here for now.

The question is -

Is adopting a child consider having lost in the game of being a man?

A little background - I got married 10 months ago, even before that I knew my wife would have difficulty conceiving. But I could not bear the thought of leaving her because of that so I reluctantly got married hoping a miracle may happen. 10 months later no luck. We have seen a fertility specialist last year.

Another caveat, having researched IVF, I am not 100% confident of the long term health consequence of the baby, and I am reluctant to go that route.

Also at 47 y/o my semen parameter is not that great. Still within normal, but at the very low end.

Do I adopt and keep trying for a natural baby? Do I leave her, and look for another woman to be my baby moma. I am pretty sure the deficiency is in my wife, but given my parameters, I am not 100% sure I can go out and get another girl pregnant either.

Funny how life took a quick turn. 3-4 years ago I was still thinking of banging more girls, but now I am wondering if I will ever have a kid of my own.

(10-03-2018 06:32 PM)Excalibur Wrote:  Was thinking of opening up a new thread with a difficult question. But since there was a discussion on legacy and purpose, I will just post it here for now.

The question is -

[b]Is adopting a child consider having lost in the game of being a man?[/b]

A little background - I got married 10 months ago, even before that I knew my wife would have difficulty conceiving. But I could not bear the thought of leaving her because of that so I reluctantly got married hoping a miracle may happen. 10 months later no luck. We have seen a fertility specialist last year.

Another caveat, having researched IVF, I am not 100% confident of the long term health consequence of the baby, and I am reluctant to go that route.

Also at 47 y/o my semen parameter is not that great. Still within normal, but at the very low end.

Do I adopt and keep trying for a natural baby? Do I leave her, and look for another woman to be my baby moma. I am pretty sure the deficiency is in my wife, but given my parameters, I am not 100% sure I can go out and get another girl pregnant either.

Funny how life took a quick turn. 3-4 years ago I was still thinking of banging more girls, but now I am wondering if I will ever have a kid of my own.

IMO Hell no. Becoming a father to an orphan is very noble. More than one personal friend of mine has adopted, and they have very good relationships.

(10-03-2018 06:32 PM)Excalibur Wrote:  Was thinking of opening up a new thread with a difficult question. But since there was a discussion on legacy and purpose, I will just post it here for now.

The question is -

Is adopting a child consider having lost in the game of being a man?

A little background - I got married 10 months ago, even before that I knew my wife would have difficulty conceiving. But I could not bear the thought of leaving her because of that so I reluctantly got married hoping a miracle may happen. 10 months later no luck. We have seen a fertility specialist last year.

Another caveat, having researched IVF, I am not 100% confident of the long term health consequence of the baby, and I am reluctant to go that route.

Also at 47 y/o my semen parameter is not that great. Still within normal, but at the very low end.

Do I adopt and keep trying for a natural baby? Do I leave her, and look for another woman to be my baby moma. I am pretty sure the deficiency is in my wife, but given my parameters, I am not 100% sure I can go out and get another girl pregnant either.

Funny how life took a quick turn. 3-4 years ago I was still thinking of banging more girls, but now I am wondering if I will ever have a kid of my own.

It seems that I largely agree with Kaizen (perhaps for different reasons) that neither adoption nor having a questionable sperm count is conclusory of "manliness" failure.

I also think that your post topic is acceptable for this thread, since such situation surely could be a common issue for guys above 40...

I have never had a sperm analysis, yet since you, personally, have a baseline measurement, have you researched into various measures to attempt to improve your sperm count and/or taken any actions in that direction? By the way, how old is your current "baby moma?"

It seems that diet, exercise and sleep could be helpful with improving sperm quality, and perhaps even within a 6 mont period - whether you consider that you have enough time for that given possibly the age of the "baby moma" and even measures that she could also take to improve her abilities to reproduce.

Having seen a few children who've been adopted (and dated a couple girls who had been), I'd say it'd be very important to know the family history of that child before taking them on as your charge. Childhood instabilities can become severely debilitating in the teens and beyond as the full hormone complement surges through their system. I hate to say this as I believe every child needs a home, but do your homework.

If you have poor sperm function I would correct the underlying causes to the best of your ability - rest, diet, exercise, stress reduction, thorough blood testing via N.D. (naturopathic doctors who understand health and nutrition) or functional medicine doctors to indicate any deficiencies and correct them. Since your wife is part of the equation, she needs to have a thorough work-up done and perhaps several. I'm not familiar-enough with the fertility 'industry' but I would be skeptical of 'treatments' that don't focus on the fundamentals I mentioned. You both need to get your health optimized and I think that will give you the best chance of conceiving your own health child. It'll also become a strong motivation for staying health and setting a great example for your future child.

I had low T about 4 years ago and experience a serious health event (not a heart attack thank God, peace be with doc's friend). It convinced me to take better charge of my health. It's amazing how far that gets you. I would avoid any prescription drug to the fullest extent possible - they are TOXIC and will NOT promote your body's healing function.

Most couples who adopt do so because the woman has fertility problems not the man, so I don't think there is a stigma.

I used to think it would be difficult to have the same bond with an adopted child than your own flesh and blood but that is nonsense.

However, someone pointed out that a lot of kids who get adopted come from tough situations, so genetically and health wise you don't know what you are getting. The mother might have drank during pregnancy, might have a history of substance abuse, etc. On the other hand, a lot of kids thrive with just a little love.

As for sperm count, if you wear briefs switch to boxers, it makes a big difference.

(08-14-2008 10:33 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Hell no. I'm 29 and getting sick of the scene. I go to bars three, four times a month now. I used to do that in a week.

If I was 50 and lonely, first I would cry and drink alone. But then when that doesn't work I'd go to the old people bar where they serve peanuts in a communal bowl. There's bound to be old ladies just like myself looking for a rogering.

Perhaps i'd volunteer and join a book club.

At age 52 I moved to Asia, never imagined banging so many women in my 50's.
Best place I ever visited Ho Chi Minh City (aka Saigon) earlier this year age 62, sit in the park for 10-20 minutes reading a book and I'll be hit on by a Viet woman aged 20-30, same sitting reading in a coffee shop, even the waitress in the restaurant and the lady cooking breakfast at my hotel gave it a go. Never been anywhere else like it in the world, every day some girl would give it a go.

(10-03-2018 05:56 PM)Endless Escapes Wrote:  

(09-30-2018 08:28 PM)Zep Wrote:  Re: Vitamins etc.

Why would a human being with a clear mindset buy vitamin preparates? That's poisson and a waste of money.

Eat healthy (and non genetic maninpulated trash) instead and you shall be healthy and feel good.

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname...t&dbid=109

The food in the West is much less healthy than Europe. Its factory farmed, GMO, and has fewer nutrients. Prepared foods like bread or sauces will be laced with high fructose corn syrup. So it is actually quite rational to supplement with vitamins and minerals if you live here.

Excalibur, I have a very close friend that both him and his Wife had virtually no chance of having children. They had IVF I believe around 8 times he did not care actually and it did put them well into debt but in the end they had 2 perfect children, with her eggs and his sperm.

Personally I would 100% try this first if I could afford it. Also not sure how it works where your at but adoption in Australia takes years and some serious bureaucratic red tape. Unless you are a tranny with a gender queer lover with a disability or something, its prob. pretty straight forward then

(10-04-2018 06:03 AM)Hypno Wrote:  However, someone pointed out that a lot of kids who get adopted come from tough situations, so genetically and health wise you don't know what you are getting. The mother might have drank during pregnancy, might have a history of substance abuse, etc.

This part of Hypno's critique of adoption needs to be seriously contemplated and focused on.

There are so many genetic variables in regards to child development, which are scientifically proven facts. There have been studies on this where parents have adopted with zero information about the child's parents and the children turn out to be sociopaths/psychopaths--just like their mom and/or dad.

It brings up the "nature vs. nurture" argument and the facts of that argument have been largely decided by science. You can't "nurture" the psychopath out of a child, nor the drug addict, the alcoholic, etc. You can nurture a child without those genetic inclinations into one of the above by raising them harmfully, however.

That's a risk that I, personally, would be unable to accept. If you know a considerable amount about both parents, then you can use your own judgement. But, if you "blindly" adopt some random child, you could have just condemned yourself to many years or permanent emotional, legal, and financial misery, if not ruin.

I would do surrogacy over adoption if IVF were not an option simply for genetic reasons. But I am proud adoption. I have relationships with several people who were adopted so I know the pros and cons

I will try not to hijack the thread into a issue about me. But FYI for guys who are postponing father hood. Your sperm count will decline. I think I had a bad bout of prostitis 5-6 years ago. That is most likely the reason causing my decreased sperm count.

In your 40s your health can change dramatically. My total Testosterone was 800 just 3 years ago, and now its 400. WTF.

Hate to reveal this to you guys, but someone needs to say it, after age 50, the chance of your offspring having autism and ASD increases dramatically. Please don't quote me on this. Do you own research.

The long term health of IVF babies are also unknown. The oldest is only 40 y/o by now. So far they seem ok. You figure if you are OK by you 20s and 30s, mostly likely your life expectancy would not deviate too far from standard. Take a more extreme example, a type I diabetic who takes insulin shot since teen age years. That's a lot of metabolic disturbance on the body, and these guys if they take care of themselves will still live into their 70s with a rewarding life.

The bottom line, there's consequences to delaying fatherhood. Do not think man can postponing fathering indefinitely. My co-worker's husband who is 50 y/o just had a heart attack.

Adoption definitely can be a crap shoot. Interesting the adopted adults I've met in my life all seem very well adjusted. Maybe the f-ed up ones don't go out into normal social environment??
My friend's ex-GF was this tall beautiful, cool Chinese girl. Her Caucasian parents adopted her from China.

My wife and I visited another IVF doctor who will take more difficult cases. We might go for it despite the risk.

^Men are dying earlier due to stress, bad diet, lack of exercise etc.

I had a mate die last month at age 47, another who led a rough life drinking and smoking had a serious stroke which has left him paralyzed. For the last year it has been one death every other month, men in the 45 - 52 age group.

There are cases of guys in their mid 30s who are dropping from heart attacks, strokes, brain aneurysms and cancer.

Reaching 50 is a serious landmark, it is the new 70.

As for sperm count, there are natural remedies you can use to increase it. If you still have trouble then there is always TRT, which I am staying clear of for now.

A question for the assembled elders: what is the effect of having an expensive residence on (young) women you bring home? Does it work against you in that they see your wealth and start scheming for the long-term? For younger women it may be intimidating, and an expensive neighborhood often has an older demographic which isn't the best vibe. I'm thinking a slightly bohemian neighborhood just away from the wealthy enclaves may be better overall.

(10-05-2018 07:37 PM)RawGod Wrote:  A question for the assembled elders: what is the effect of having an expensive residence on (young) women you bring home? Does it work against you in that they see your wealth and start scheming for the long-term? For younger women it may be intimidating, and an expensive neighborhood often has an older demographic which isn't the best vibe. I'm thinking a slightly bohemian neighborhood just away from the wealthy enclaves may be better overall.

Yeah, I think this is a good question. I have two houses. One is a small house in a bohemian area of town, in the city, I have a couple of friends that use this house a couple of nights during the week when they are in the city working. I spend my weekends at the bohemian house and it is my stabbin' cabin haha. It is honestly a shitty little house. The other house is in the suburbs in a stuffy area of town, really a two story townhouse, much nicer but more stuffy. I never take girls to the burbs. And yes, the demographics are just as you describe.

(10-05-2018 07:33 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Reaching 50 is a serious landmark, it is the new 70.

Yikes, so if 50 is the new 70...then 65 is the new 85

(10-05-2018 07:33 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^Men are dying earlier due to stress, bad diet, lack of exercise etc.

Yes, I am seeing this. Guys who had healthy old parents and grandparents, getting stressed, fat, etc. and dying.

(10-05-2018 07:33 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  There are cases of guys in their mid 30s who are dropping from heart attacks, strokes, brain aneurysms and cancer.

Reaching 50 is a serious landmark, it is the new 70.

I turn 50 in a few months. I am feeling it.

(10-05-2018 07:33 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  As for sperm count, there are natural remedies you can use to increase it. If you still have trouble then there is always TRT, which I am staying clear of for now.

My T was low about eight years ago (I think about 350). I eat about 7 to 10 serious steaks and avocados a week, grass-fed beef. I use one of those sleep apps to track my sleep. As long as I sleep, keep my body fat lower, manage stress and eat those steaks, my T seems to be good (I haven't tested in a couple of years but you can tell, after a while, by morning wood, response to sexual stimuli, etc.).

I'll probably start doing some baseline testing before i turn 50, for a reference moving forward.

(10-05-2018 07:57 PM)Sgt Donger Wrote:  

(10-05-2018 07:33 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Reaching 50 is a serious landmark, it is the new 70.

Yikes, so if 50 is the new 70...then 65 is the new 85

The sum of the matter is that if you qualify for this thread, then "we are all going to be dead (or disabled), soon"... hahahahaha

In the past several months, I have been quite a bit more focused incorporating a better working out routine, which seems to take a whole hell-of-a-lot of extra time - even if I feel more energy, overall, there are only so many hours in the day.

It really feels good to see progress, though.. and a kind of realization that if we (quasi-elderly) don't keep at minimum attempting to maintain, then deterioration is taking place - and sometimes, we have to attempt to go beyond what would have previously been maintenance in order to actually maintain.

(10-05-2018 08:02 PM)gmoneysauce Wrote:  

(10-05-2018 07:33 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^Men are dying earlier due to stress, bad diet, lack of exercise etc.

Yes, I am seeing this. Guys who had healthy old parents and grandparents, getting stressed, fat, etc. and dying.

(10-05-2018 07:33 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  There are cases of guys in their mid 30s who are dropping from heart attacks, strokes, brain aneurysms and cancer.

Reaching 50 is a serious landmark, it is the new 70.

I turn 50 in a few months. I am feeling it.

(10-05-2018 07:33 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  As for sperm count, there are natural remedies you can use to increase it. If you still have trouble then there is always TRT, which I am staying clear of for now.

My T was low about eight years ago (I think about 350). I eat about 7 to 10 serious steaks and avocados a week, grass-fed beef. I use one of those sleep apps to track my sleep. As long as I sleep, keep my body fat lower, manage stress and eat those steaks, my T seems to be good (I haven't tested in a couple of years but you can tell, after a while, by morning wood, response to sexual stimuli, etc.).

I'll probably start doing some baseline testing before i turn 50, for a reference moving forward.

Is your sleep tracking device specifically dedicated towards sleep?

I'm thinking that something like this might not be a bad thing for me?

Several years ago, I recognized the value of sleep, but I go through stages of kind of disrespecting the sleep, so I am thinking that if I were to use a tracking device (since I can be a bit of a technical geek), then it might inspire me to become a bit more systematic about both measuring what happens and then trying to improve whatever I am doing.

I don't mess with beef like that, I eat maybe 3 steaks in a year.

Greens are your friend. Beets are great for the wood and celery.

I should eat more fruit, but the fruit they sell has no seeds and tastes like chemicals where I live.

Morning wood is a great sign that things are working well.

(10-05-2018 08:54 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I don't mess with beef like that, I eat maybe 3 steaks in a year.

Greens are your friend. Beets are great for the wood and celery.

I should eat more fruit, but the fruit they sell has no seeds and tastes like chemicals where I live.

Morning wood is a great sign that things are working well.

Probably, if there are ways to measure woody consistency, then that would be good. I think I had a woody all through my highschool years, but after going into my upper 40s, it surely does not seem to come as easily.

For example, in my 20s, there were times of sex 5 times a day (I think even in my 30s), but currently, in my 50s, if I can perform a couple of times a day I am doing well, and if I see my gf - which might be over a three day period of time, I have to work various techniques to keep the woody coming - which sometimes just doesn't seem to work - even though I am turned on by her..

And this ability to woody can change with amount of rest, exercise and diet, and likely a good thing to measure health.

I personally have a different way of thinking that you, rudebwoy, at least in terms of the value of meat in regards to good nutrition. Likely there are aspects we could agree upon, such as the dangers of too many carbohydrates (at least the junk food aspects), but then there are also theories that if you eat too much meat without fat, then that is not good for you, either because if you eat too many proteins there is a Gluconeogenesis issue (which means turning the excess protein to sugar).

I personally consider that eating meat with its fat to be the best (I say, "don't trim the fat,"), and mostly I came to these conclusions into my mid-40s and after reading a lot about differentiating fats and about good fats versus bad fats (mostly the artificial ones - partially hydrogenated ones). Furthermore, , and trying to cook with natural oils to be good, such as coconut oil or animal fats, and not any of the oils that say partially hydrogenated on them...

I understand that some guys are still cooking with bad oils, even older guys, and surely if I go to a restaurant, frequently I expect that they are using cheap oils, so I do eat the "bad" stuff, too... while trying to be somewhat selective in minimizing some of what I believe to be oils that are harder for our bodies to process, especially when we are older we don't likely have as good of tolerance to abuses.

Of course, there are some folks with the carnivore diets who are moving completely over to meat, and that seems a bit extreme, too, yet I am suspecting that they will do fairly well on the woody test, at least in the first 6 months of changing to such diet... ..

(10-05-2018 08:13 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  Is your sleep tracking device specifically dedicated towards sleep?

I'm thinking that something like this might not be a bad thing for me?

Several years ago, I recognized the value of sleep, but I go through stages of kind of disrespecting the sleep, so I am thinking that if I were to use a tracking device (since I can be a bit of a technical geek), then it might inspire me to become a bit more systematic about both measuring what happens and then trying to improve whatever I am doing.

I started using Sleep Cycle in 2011 or so and used it for about 14 months then fell off. I am using Sleep Cycle again the past few months. Not always but a lot of the time. I might look at devices. Or a dedicated, old iPhone to setup in the bedroom as it has to stay on a charger all night.

I also recorded my sleep with Audacity and a laptop a few times to see if I was snoring but they have that in the Sleep Cycle app now.

(10-05-2018 08:54 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Greens are your friend. Beets are great for the wood and celery.

I should eat more fruit, but the fruit they sell has no seeds and tastes like chemicals where I live.

Morning wood is a great sign that things are working well.

Oh yeah, I just had a huge pile of greens for dinner tonight, with a couple of eggs cooked in the middle. I used to eat greens every day, spinach, collard, kale,etc. Cooked in a little oil or grease, but I got out of the habit and just got back to it recently.

Yeah, there is something to just waking up and feeling good (well slept and with morning wood). When you go years feeling like shit every morning then start feeling good again, it is magical.