Post: #1176

(03-29-2016 09:29 AM)Dino Wrote:  

(03-25-2016 11:40 AM)NASA Test Pilot Wrote:  A thread on Approaching and Hitting the Male Wall

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Had my ltr getting mouthy and bitchy. Just realized I have been too nice and passive. Got to watch out its a slippery slope and I was there before I knew it. Started withholding affection and not giving a fuck had things back to normal in one day. Women do not respect a nice guy no matter what they say.

Thanks for reviving the old guys thread. What's your thoughts test pilot?

I know what you mean Dino, it does not happen to me as often as it once did, but it happens on occasion. It is usually when my frame slips and I unconsciously credit her for loyalty like she was a man; I am elevating her beyond what she deserves, as her loyalty is not the same as one of my long time male friends. I back off and cut her slack like a long term friend who has been through the fire with me. I become nicer and sometimes she attempts to exploit this if I do it too long. It is part of her nature; I am simply unconscious and project something on to her that is not there.

As I reflect upon myself, I think that it is an unconscious desire to have the level of trust and loyalty that I share with men. My key is that I recall my Greek and keep in mind the difference between, Agape, Philia, Storge, and Eros. Part of my synthetic mind wants to combine them, but it is not practical. Practically speaking I must go forward and continue fulfilling my purpose and do the activities that motivate me. If she fails to inspire me in my purpose or at least to inspire me to romance, she moves down from LTR status and as long as she inspires me sexually, I keep her as an FB; otherwise, I need cut her loose and she does not inspire me.

Post: #1177

(04-13-2016 07:05 AM)clint1520 Wrote:  Any older guys still out there gaming? Looking for advice, input.

I'm 48, and been struggling with game since I got divorced 5 years ago. It is a different world for us old guys. Women my age are almost all either married or 200+ lbs. Very few younger women give me any signals, even though I am fit attractive and have a great job.

Currently I'm dating a 28 year old, but I don't want to get comfortable, as we know you have to have options.

I also might add I live in a small town area.

Comments?

Thanks in advance

The great Patrice Oneal put it best.."Pussy ages like bread, not like wine".





Im 45 and consistently bang 20 something yo chicks. (Oldest chick I've EVER had sex with was 32...and she was a smoke-show I was in an LTR with) But I live in an area where they regularly congregate and have my "older successful, stable, interesting life guy" game down to a science.

Im currently riding a hot streak and have banged 9 new ones in the last 2 months. One was 19 and another one 20. The oldest 29 (she looks 21 and sports a great tight rig).

I've most recently turned a 24 yo former model and Miss Czech Republic runner up into a regular that considers me her BF. She cooks and even came over and started cleaning my pad up unsolicited until I told her my cleaning lady comes weekly. Love the EE values though...I'm keeping this one for a while

The one thing I've heard over and over from these chicks is always something along the lines of "guys my age are boys, not men".

All you older guys out there should never underestimate the power of mature masculine vibe

40 something yo pussy? I only like my toast brown around the edges...no thanks

Post: #1178

(04-13-2016 11:21 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 07:05 AM)clint1520 Wrote:  Any older guys still out there gaming? Looking for advice, input.

I'm 48, and been struggling with game since I got divorced 5 years ago. It is a different world for us old guys. Women my age are almost all either married or 200+ lbs. Very few younger women give me any signals, even though I am fit attractive and have a great job.

Currently I'm dating a 28 year old, but I don't want to get comfortable, as we know you have to have options.

I also might add I live in a small town area.

Comments?

Thanks in advance

The great Patrice Oneal put it best.."Pussy ages like bread, not like wine".





Im 45 and consistently bang 20 something yo chicks. (Oldest chick I've EVER had sex with was 32...and she was a smoke-show I was in an LTR with) But I live in an area where they regularly congregate and have my "older successful, stable, interesting life guy" game down to a science.

Im currently riding a hot streak and have banged 9 new ones in the last 2 months. One was 19 and another one 20. The oldest 29 (she looks 21 and sports a great tight rig).

I've most recently turned a 24 yo former model and Miss Czech Republic runner up into a regular that considers me her BF. She cooks and even came over and started cleaning my pad up unsolicited until I told her my cleaning lady comes weekly. Love the EE values though...I'm keeping this one for a while

The one thing I've heard over and over from these chicks is always something along the lines of "guys my age are boys, not men".

All you older guys out there should never underestimate the power of mature masculine vibe

40 something yo pussy? I only like my toast brown around the edges...no thanks

where do you meet those girls? Are those bangs from cold approches?

Post: #1179

(04-13-2016 11:21 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  The great Patrice Oneal put it best.."Pussy ages like bread, not like wine".

Patrice, to the 20 year old in the audience: "I bet your pussy takes like hope..."

Post: #1180

(04-13-2016 11:45 AM)starmaze Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 11:21 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 07:05 AM)clint1520 Wrote:  Any older guys still out there gaming? Looking for advice, input.

I'm 48, and been struggling with game since I got divorced 5 years ago. It is a different world for us old guys. Women my age are almost all either married or 200+ lbs. Very few younger women give me any signals, even though I am fit attractive and have a great job.

Currently I'm dating a 28 year old, but I don't want to get comfortable, as we know you have to have options.

I also might add I live in a small town area.

Comments?

Thanks in advance

The great Patrice Oneal put it best.."Pussy ages like bread, not like wine".





Im 45 and consistently bang 20 something yo chicks. (Oldest chick I've EVER had sex with was 32...and she was a smoke-show I was in an LTR with) But I live in an area where they regularly congregate and have my "older successful, stable, interesting life guy" game down to a science.

Im currently riding a hot streak and have banged 9 new ones in the last 2 months. One was 19 and another one 20. The oldest 29 (she looks 21 and sports a great tight rig).

I've most recently turned a 24 yo former model and Miss Czech Republic runner up into a regular that considers me her BF. She cooks and even came over and started cleaning my pad up unsolicited until I told her my cleaning lady comes weekly. Love the EE values though...I'm keeping this one for a while

The one thing I've heard over and over from these chicks is always something along the lines of "guys my age are boys, not men".

All you older guys out there should never underestimate the power of mature masculine vibe

40 something yo pussy? I only like my toast brown around the edges...no thanks

where do you meet those girls? Are those bangs from cold approches?

Both online and IRL approaches. I have a couple local lounge/bars (literally a stones throw away from the front door of my house) where I've been going regularly for years. The bartenders (who I always always tip well) are my active allies and facilitate openings. My logistics do the heavy lifting to close. All I have to do is not fuck up in between

Post: #1181

(04-13-2016 12:05 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 11:45 AM)starmaze Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 11:21 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 07:05 AM)clint1520 Wrote:  Any older guys still out there gaming? Looking for advice, input.

I'm 48, and been struggling with game since I got divorced 5 years ago. It is a different world for us old guys. Women my age are almost all either married or 200+ lbs. Very few younger women give me any signals, even though I am fit attractive and have a great job.

Currently I'm dating a 28 year old, but I don't want to get comfortable, as we know you have to have options.

I also might add I live in a small town area.

Comments?

Thanks in advance

The great Patrice Oneal put it best.."Pussy ages like bread, not like wine".





Im 45 and consistently bang 20 something yo chicks. (Oldest chick I've EVER had sex with was 32...and she was a smoke-show I was in an LTR with) But I live in an area where they regularly congregate and have my "older successful, stable, interesting life guy" game down to a science.

Im currently riding a hot streak and have banged 9 new ones in the last 2 months. One was 19 and another one 20. The oldest 29 (she looks 21 and sports a great tight rig).

I've most recently turned a 24 yo former model and Miss Czech Republic runner up into a regular that considers me her BF. She cooks and even came over and started cleaning my pad up unsolicited until I told her my cleaning lady comes weekly. Love the EE values though...I'm keeping this one for a while

The one thing I've heard over and over from these chicks is always something along the lines of "guys my age are boys, not men".

All you older guys out there should never underestimate the power of mature masculine vibe

40 something yo pussy? I only like my toast brown around the edges...no thanks

where do you meet those girls? Are those bangs from cold approches?

Both online and IRL approaches. I have a couple local lounge/bars (literally a stones throw away from the front door of my house) where I've been going regularly for years. The bartenders (who I always always tip well) are my active allies and facilitate openings. My logistics do the heavy lifting to close. All I have to do is not fuck up in between

OK, so you do night game and online. What do you think about daygame?

Post: #1182

(04-13-2016 12:51 PM)starmaze Wrote:  OK, so you do night game and online. What do you think about daygame?

If I see a woman I'm interested in talking to, day or night,...I do. I don't really view any of it as "game" or variations thereof. It's just called life in my book

Post: #1183

(04-13-2016 04:01 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 12:51 PM)starmaze Wrote:  OK, so you do night game and online. What do you think about daygame?

If I see a woman I'm interested in talking to, day or night,...I do. I don't really view any of it as "game" or variations thereof. It's just called life in my book

I am asking because its interesting to hear from a guy who is 45 and have so much success with dating girls half his age. I am 38 and sometimes I feel much pressure talking to young girls. Are you usually direct or you prefer indirct style or both?

Post: #1184

(04-13-2016 04:53 PM)starmaze Wrote:  I am asking because its interesting to hear from a guy who is 45 and have so much success with dating girls half his age. I am 38 and sometimes I feel much pressure talking to young girls. Are you usually direct or you prefer indirct style or both?

You need to get out of your head, you are clearly spending waaaay too much time in there if you are feeling pressure. You are searching for some sort of perfect setup, 2:18p in the afternoon on the sunny side of the street using an opener that discusses puppies while you are wearing brown shoes and only talking to blondes. Stop. Full stop. This shit doesn't happen. There is no magic

Go back and look up outcome independence and log some time reading about it. Your success most likely sucks because you are so locked in on finding some sort of success out of each and every interaction. It just doesn't work that way. Result: massive pressure. Relax, let them come to you. Figure out if they have something that you like about them before you invest so much.

Post: #1185

(04-13-2016 04:53 PM)starmaze Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 04:01 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 12:51 PM)starmaze Wrote:  OK, so you do night game and online. What do you think about daygame?

If I see a woman I'm interested in talking to, day or night,...I do. I don't really view any of it as "game" or variations thereof. It's just called life in my book

I am asking because its interesting to hear from a guy who is 45 and have so much success with dating girls half his age. I am 38 and sometimes I feel much pressure talking to young girls. Are you usually direct or you prefer indirct style or both?

Don't bring up age. It's a non issue. Just open and see if there's attraction there or if you can create it. Attraction is not a choice.

Once you've got that, the number is a foregone conclusion and often the date is too.

Now, longer term it may be an issue, as some 22 year old you go out with finds out you're over 35 or the 40 "milestone" and that you're not whatever her fantasy age for you that shes created in her mind is, her hamster may not be able to process that and she's afraid of social judgement from friends, etc.

That's where the moral question of lying to get the bang/keep the deal going come into the equation. Maybe PT can speak to this and how he handles it as he clearly has 'young woman game' down pat.

Myself? I'm on and off with it but getting better.

Often when I see a young girl in the store or out and about that I think "I'm too old for her/she's too young and beautiful for me/ I look too "old" today, I have dark circles under my eyes today" or any other of a dozen excuses, and I open them anyway, I'm often surprised by how they open up and the number is easily obtained. It happened today with a just out of college southern debutante who couldn't wait to give me her number.

Guys her age (and my age for that matter) aren't out there opening her like I did. Fortune favors the bold.

Once you've got the attraction and the date, it's basically 'don't fuck it up game' at that point. Game is just as much, if not more, about avoiding the bad, awkward things as doing the right things.

Also - you're not 40 yet, youngster.

Post: #1186

(04-13-2016 05:58 PM)robreke Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 04:53 PM)starmaze Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 04:01 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 12:51 PM)starmaze Wrote:  OK, so you do night game and online. What do you think about daygame?

If I see a woman I'm interested in talking to, day or night,...I do. I don't really view any of it as "game" or variations thereof. It's just called life in my book

I am asking because its interesting to hear from a guy who is 45 and have so much success with dating girls half his age. I am 38 and sometimes I feel much pressure talking to young girls. Are you usually direct or you prefer indirct style or both?

Don't bring up age. It's a non issue. Just open and see if there's attraction there or if you can create it. Attraction is not a choice.

Once you've got that, the number is a foregone conclusion and often the date is too.

Now, longer term it may be an issue, as some 22 year old you go out with finds out you're over 35 or the 40 "milestone" and that you're not whatever her fantasy age for you that shes created in her mind is, her hamster may not be able to process that and she's afraid of social judgement from friends, etc.

That's where the moral question of lying to get the bang/keep the deal going come into the equation. Maybe PT can speak to this and how he handles it as he clearly has 'young woman game' down pat.

Myself? I'm on and off with it but getting better.

Often when I see a young girl in the store or out and about that I think "I'm too old for her/she's too young and beautiful for me/ I look too "old" today, I have dark circles under my eyes today" or any other of a dozen excuses, and I open them anyway, I'm often surprised by how they open up and the number is easily obtained. It happened today with a just out of college southern debutante who couldn't wait to give me her number.

Guys her age (and my age for that matter) aren't out there opening her like I did. Fortune favors the bold.

Once you've got the attraction and the date, it's basically 'don't fuck it up game' at that point. Game is just as much, if not more, about avoiding the bad, awkward things as doing the right things.

Also - you're not 40 yet, youngster.

starmaze ^^^^^This is spot on. It's your own limiting beliefs that are creating the "pressure". I know it's easy to say "change that" but hard to do. In fact it's impossible without the right tools.

I'd recommend (to anyone for that matter) reading some of Tony Robbins early work (Awaken The Giant Within, Unlimited Power) for specific techniques to enable REAL change...if you want it.

How we communicate with ourselves is the key to EVERYTHING Thats way more important than what we say or do to communicate to others (in this case young women). I know how cheesy this sounds...but it's an immutable fact to me.

I'm not one for all the jargon (direct, indirect, night, day, alpha, beta, yada yada) so I can't really tell you specifically what I say or do. It varies each time to a certain extent. Nothing works every time on every girl...unless youre George Clooney or Leo DdiCaprio I suppose.

I will say thay I've become particularly adept at identifying and screening for girls that are more likely to respond to my style...less wasted time on the type that won't. In today's world you'd be surprised how many young women have core wounds involving "daddy issues"

If I had to sum up my style though is I try to playfully yet in a serious way convey "I really really want to fuck your brains out, and know how, but if I don't get to I won't really care" (Ive posted that line over and over on the forum)

Very attractive young women are not used to older guys looking them straight in the eyes and talking to them. Or as robreke says, anyone for that matter

Attitude and confidence say way more to a woman's vagina than actual words can.

(04-13-2016 05:58 PM)robreke Wrote:  Attraction is not a choice.

Worth repeating

Post: #1187

(01-12-2016 03:46 PM)NASA Test Pilot Wrote:  All joking aside Gents, I highly recommend that you game a few of these younger women and have at least 1 sexual encounter with an 18-29 year old. It will change you in a very positive way.

Could not agree more!

Post: #1188

Quote:How we communicate with ourselves is the key to EVERYTHING Thats way more important than what we say or do to communicate to others (in this case young women). I know how cheesy this sounds...but it's an immutable fact to me.

This so true. Tony Robbins is also a good coach for learning internal dialogue. One that I use is -CANI -- constant and never ending improvement.

Post: #1189

PapayaTapper Wrote:Both online and IRL approaches.

What’s your age online?

Post: #1190

no matter how experienced you are, do a 100 approach challenge but only girls under 24 count. Build up your comfort approaching and your skill in getting them to chat.

Post: #1191

I live in Bogota but flew down to Cali, Colombia to meet four friends traveling from the USA for a long weekend. All of them and myself included are over 40. Went out multiple nights with some of my Calena amigas.....the girls were ranging in age from 19-24, great dates, lots of fun, and no issues or hang ups over age. In fact I don't remember the topic ever being brought up!!!

Two of the guys got bangs, and all the girls were normal university girls not prepagos. I Just received a text from one of my friends that just landed in Atlanta and he is already in full-on depression mode....planning his return trip!

I cant say it enough, as a 41 year old man, there is no way I could see myself living full time in the USA or any westernized country.....I am ruined!!!!

Post: #1192

This is old news too many of you here, but I just tried oysters for the first time last week.

All I can say is I will be eating these on a weekly basis from now on.

I understand they are high in Zinc which is good for men.

I suck when it comes to taking pills, I still have a bottle of ZMA lying around.

Post: #1193

(04-25-2016 02:16 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  This is old news too many of you here, but I just tried oysters for the first time last week.

All I can say is I will be eating these on a weekly basis from now on.

I understand they are high in Zinc which is good for men.

I suck when it comes to taking pills, I still have a bottle of ZMA lying around.

Be careful about eating them raw.

Post: #1194

Viva Colombia.

Post: #1195

Quote:Be careful

Holy cow, that vibrio vulnificus is something from a horror show... You can even get infected while swimming in the ocean.

Post: #1196

Here's a question for the older white guys who've crossed the color line: where do you take them when you go out? Even in the bluest of the blue state American, where I live, I seldom see these kinds of pairings. Lately I've gotten the "eyes" from PYT's who are several shades darker than me, but I just can't work out in my head where I would take them other than to the nearest Motel No-Tell. Nothing wrong with that, but at my age I'd like to think it would be nice to have a relationship that led somewhere other than her on the floor worshiping Mr.Johnson. Not that there's anything wrong with that....
So are there places you older players find that work out better for couples that have a difference in age AND race?

Post: #1197

(05-13-2016 05:15 PM)ColSpanker Wrote:  Here's a question for the older white guys who've crossed the color line: where do you take them when you go out? Even in the bluest of the blue state American, where I live, I seldom see these kinds of pairings. Lately I've gotten the "eyes" from PYT's who are several shades darker than me, but I just can't work out in my head where I would take them other than to the nearest Motel No-Tell. Nothing wrong with that, but at my age I'd like to think it would be nice to have a relationship that led somewhere other than her on the floor worshiping Mr.Johnson. Not that there's anything wrong with that....
So are there places you older players find that work out better for couples that have a difference in age AND race?

The Comedy Cellar in NYC. Tracy Morgan sang "jungle fever" to my sexy 25 yo bajan date and I from the stage, after they sat us in the front row. Fun night, got the bang.

Post: #1198

From what I can tell now, dating women 10-20 years younger is infinitely easier than dating women closer to my age. Sometimes I wonder when the party is over, until Im 50, or 55? How long can I keep this going.. Im 40. In my late 30's dating young women seemed hard to do, but now after a few years, its the most enjoyable aspect of game. There is no such thing as an 'age barrier'. Thats a false social construct. Girls I meet on the street, where we connect and have sex or get close seem to stay in my life now, if no drama arises, which is rare now and comes down to my own self control. If I am having sex with one and we go our separate ways without any drama, they stay in my life. And randomly reconnect with me, either over Snapchat, or an odd phone call or text. One may text or call, or ask for advice, or send the random sexy Snap. Its as if these girls need to keep you in their lives as a sense of security, even if you quit banging and you obviously cant talk. Its this dynamic which makes being an older player pretty awesome. Its like these girls are appreciating assets, if you dont have any drama and scare them off. Just let them come and go from your life, but stay connected somehow. Snapchat is good for this. A 'private' social network, where no one sees your connected, but they can message you whenever they want in private. I think they like that.

Post: #1199

I sometimes hangout with people younger than me. Most people think I'm in mid or late 30s or so.

I've been with a group of my neighbors and their friends and maybe one of them will ask me what my age is and sometimes they'll do it with young women present. I'll tell any guy my age but when it's a couple of guys you just met and there's young women around, I don't necessarily want to blow the girls' hamsters out especially if there may be some attraction/repartee.

If some random dude asks, in a group setting with girls around, your age, aside from the snarky "I'm as old as my hairstyle" How would you handle it?

Post: #1200

(05-13-2016 08:08 PM)robreke Wrote:  If some random dude asks, in a group setting with girls around, your age, aside from the snarky "I'm as old as my hairstyle" How would you handle it?

When you say 'random dude' I am assuming you mean 'younger random dude'.

Nothing wrong with a snarky response if they are being snarky. Sometimes it is the best reply. Sometimes no reply is the best reply. Else, think on your feet and adjust accordingly.

Assuming that you are indeed talking about younger guys essentially 'testing' you, then that also should be dealt with as such. Obviously they don't give a shit how old you are and are looking for an in road to put you down, or give you the opportunity for you react the wrong way.

I've been in quite a few places where if you are a few years older, you will get outright overt hostility from younger males. I've been places where the little shits have been kicking me in the leg, and to react would have been invitation for a pile-on. So, I did not 'react the wrong way'. I walked away. No harm done.

That was in drunken places with loads of people, so no one really noticed. If you are at a table of friends and in a quiet environment (the most deadly social situation you can get), then it is a different ball game. Of course, don't 'react the wrong way'. Always keep your cool and composure, but most importantly of all, your sense of humour.

That doesn't mean being a clown, it means being able to respond so quickly at such a high level, that the next little young punk is going to think twice about testing you. Coz you might just make him look as much of a fool as the last person that tried it with you. Do it with good grace. It hurts harder. And that is what you want here: to drive the knife home deep and hard but with a sweet smile on your face.

Young lads will always test. Sometimes you have to give them their head. When you are at a table of ten of them, and you are in your mid 40's and they are all late teens, mid 20's, then you will get a heady mix of testosterone, shit talking and outright confrontation.

I've been there, at that table with a gorgeous blonde for example. She looked 24, but was nearly 50, I shit you not. All the young lads wanted to fuck her. But I was with her. So, I was the target. I was lucky not to get any outright nastiness, as we knew each other's friends mutually, but still, they shit tested me to the end.

The thing is, I let them get on with it. Why? Because the 'lady' I was with was absofuckinglutely lapping it up like the cat that got the cream. But I was the only one that was going to get her pussy later. To 'react the wrong way' at this point would have put paid to any chances I had. So this is what I did: I went along with it. I couldn't stop them. It wasn't threatening. I could have made excuses and left, but I dug in. Yes, I got a few knocks, but the fact I stood my ground around all these young bucks trying to knock me down, gave me a certain kudos.

In the end, they showed themselves up for the immature little pricks they were: "How big is his cock?", "Does he have a big prick then, if you're going out with him?". They not only tested me, but tested her. They kind of insulted her. But she didn't mind. Too busy lapping up the attention.

This is a specific use case and might be no good for you advice wise, and I'm sure going into other places 'cold' with young bucks would be very different.

Be flexible. Take the punches. Roll with them. Play with them. Earn the respect of the young bucks, not by confrontation with them, but by banter and indifference.

And never forget, young men are always looking to get the approval of older more mature males. Ok, not all, but a few. Just consider this as well. Strike up a relevant deep conversation for a few minutes (don't bore on) to show your value. In whatever field. Could even be fly-fishing. Martial Arts is a tricky one and not something I would try personally, but hey, if you can do that too, more power to your game.

Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee!

Always be worthy. Always be true to yourself. Know where it is safe to play whatever games you are playing.

Oh, and I don't know if I mentioned this, but if you are going into that arena with young hot heads who will say and do things even they regret the moment they have said and done them, 'Do Not React The Wrong Way'.

You win the begrudging respect of those young men, and you have more than won your fair lady. And the sex will be mind blowing as you fuck her later, and you know for a fact, she isn't thinking about you, but by being ravaged by all those young bucks at the table earlier. She will be a fucking animal.

That's the theory.

If you end up in hospital with a broken leg and three cracked ribs, don't come crying to me when the 'masterplan' didn't work!

I wish you well. Fortune, does indeed, favour the brave.

Just pick your battles well.