Post: #1

I swear this happens to me way too often lately. I get the girl back to my place. We make out. I get her on my bed. We make out more. I get her topless.

I go for the pants and she say she says "No" I freeze out and then go back for more. I freeze out again and go back for more.

She literally wont give in and eventually gets irritated that I keep trying and she leaves........

WTF This has happened to me way to much.

I know you guys say you have to keep pushing but I think I'm pushing too much because now I doubt she wants to hang out again. She was super into me all night long and then when she sees me pushing too hard she gets mad and leaves. I made sure to freeze out multiple times and everything.

Post: #2

I think I must target girls who want to date and be in a relationship. I make sure I kino as much as possible. These girls are definitely comfortable making out and everything but as soon as I try to fuck them on the first date they start resisting.

The only thing I can chalk this up to is the girl wants a relationship and doesn't want to have sex on the first date.

I'm fucking confused right now.

The second I think I have something figured out I get fucked.

That saying is true. If you aren't moving forward you are going backwards.

Edit: I honestly just feel liking taking a break from this. I think I might be following the rules to a T too much or I'm just not doing it good enough. I keep getting girls that I think are super cool to hang out and make out but I either next them or they get made from me pushing too hard.

Honestly I don't know what else to chalk this up to besides them just honestly wanting a relationship or something.

These are mostly girls from POF and their thing says "seeking a relationship". I found quite a few that just want flings but all the better qualities ones aren't giving it up. I think all the jacked ass military guys in the area are sucking most of the girls that just want a fling and a lot of the ones that want a relationship and what not end up with me.

Post: #3

Some women just aren't down for sex on the first date. So if you think they are worth it organise a second date and see if you can get further. So long as you are making decent progress towards sex each date then you should get the bang by date 3 or 4. Roosh explains this in Bang. You can't expect all women, particularly the quality ones, to be down for an SNL.

It is up to you whether you want to put in the effort for subsequent dates or just move on in the hope of finding a woman who will sleep with you on the first date.

Post: #4

(11-11-2013 03:46 AM)Blue Streak Wrote:  Some women just aren't down for sex on the first date. So if you think they are worth it organise a second date and see if you can get further. So long as you are making decent progress towards sex each date then you should get the bang by date 3 or 4. Roosh explains this in Bang. You can't expect all women, particularly the quality ones, to be down for an SNL.

It is up to you whether you want to put in the effort for subsequent dates or just move on in the hope of finding a woman who will sleep with you on the first date.

Thanks for the reassurance. I just have it stuck in my head now SNL SNL SNL SNL that I think I forget that isn't how its always going to work.

The worst part this girl was super cute, super cool and she paid for the my drinks and tipped. This fucking stings right now.

Post: #5

Flip the script, and YOU show last minute resistance, tell her she's moving too fast etc.

Post: #6

I agree with Blue Streak. Some just aren't SNL'S. Could be something to do with her, but it could also be something you missed in the build-up. Hard to say.

I would say though that the worst thing you could do is not push for it. You MUST go for it. Even if you fail, your intentions will be clear, and she won't think you're a man who doesn't go after what he wants. If she thinks that, it's done. Either friend-zone, or over for good. In either case, you're not getting the notch.

Post: #7

(11-11-2013 06:29 AM)bojangles Wrote:  Flip the script, and YOU show last minute resistance, tell her she's moving too fast etc.

I did. After she started showing resistance I said things like "Woah slow down"

She would say "We are not having sex"

I would say "I know I'm not having sex with you. I don't want to"

Post: #8

I'm having the exact same problem. I've been pretty good at getting girls back to my place, we make out no problem, and I get their shirt off but it ends there. This situation has actually happened to me every time I've brought a girl back after the first date (small sample of ~10, still learning).

Unfortunately in my more recent cases this has seemed to kill the vibe for setting up a 2nd date and I end up losing her. However, the first few times I did this I ended up setting up a 2nd/3rd date no problem and we banged then.

So either I've been getting too aggressive lately or have just had some bad luck. I'll go with the latter for now as I agree with Frontenac that showing your intentions is key and shouldn't really hurt you.

Post: #9

(11-11-2013 08:07 AM)murrb Wrote:  I did. After she started showing resistance I said things like "Woah slow down"

She would say "We are not having sex"

I would say "I know I'm not having sex with you. I don't want to"

If she said that you are not having sex, she is thinking about it. It is a projection.

Flip the coin on her: "you are too fast, I am not always like this, I am not having sex toninght with you". Hamster overload. Sometimes they even jump from the couch, surprised, thinking they are doing it wrong. Then you can just invite them to sit up and relax. Then, escalate again.

Of course, not all women are up to sex so fast. Sometimes 3 or even 4 dates may be necesary.

Only quality girls are worth more than 3 dates though. If she is a 5-6, and I can't get sex on 2nd date, I never call them back. The time and money invested would be better spent on you or into another women. They nexted me and I try to learn from the experience.

Then again, you must take into account that some women just want to hang out, seek validation, are serial daters, etc. If she isn't into you in a sexual way, then accept it and move on, since no game or logistics will make her bang you.

A a man, you always want sex, but women want many things other than that. As you begin to learn, it may happen to you in well over 50% of your dates.

Post: #10

(11-12-2013 09:29 AM)redonion Wrote:  I'm having the exact same problem. I've been pretty good at getting girls back to my place, we make out no problem, and I get their shirt off but it ends there. This situation has actually happened to me every time I've brought a girl back after the first date (small sample of ~10, still learning).

Unfortunately in my more recent cases this has seemed to kill the vibe for setting up a 2nd date and I end up losing her. However, the first few times I did this I ended up setting up a 2nd/3rd date no problem and we banged then.

So either I've been getting too aggressive lately or have just had some bad luck. I'll go with the latter for now as I agree with Frontenac that showing your intentions is key and shouldn't really hurt you.

This is what has happened to me quite a few times. I push so hard that even though they initially showed a lot of interest and even got on my bed and made out with me I ruined it all by being too aggressive for sex and then they never text me back because they are either pissed or feel uncomfortable.

Post: #11

Aliblahba gave me some advice on last minute resistance. 'If you get last minute resistance when trying to take off her pants, take her hand and put it on your dick.' Maybe try that next time.