Post: #51

I don't think you are going to get the big booties in Ukraine, but at the same time, they are not flat by any means. They are perfectly round and well shaped, just a bit smaller. They still look fabulous in tight jeans and yoga pants.

Post: #52

generally in eastern europe you get tall tight bodies and great faces. possibly the best looking girls in the world. not many with j-lo ass, but still gorgeous. not unlike a some of those hot white chicks you can find in florida mixx but then ee girls are maybe taller.

Post: #53

(03-06-2011 05:21 PM)LÉtranger Wrote:  Everything you heard

about Ukraine

is

true

I was just looking through some pics of regular Ukrainian girls and all I can think right now is that the US is a cesspool when it comes to women.

Post: #54

(03-08-2011 11:02 AM)Luckystar Wrote:  One thing I remember about Russia was how terrible girls moved on the dance floor. I concluded it was because they didn't have the bodies to move sexy.

How can feminine women dance terribly? I went out for 2 nights and it was completly madness, even when the music is complete shit they all dance like strippers. Considering the fact that every girls wear high heels to go to McDonalds (not kidding), they got some practice.

I was supposed to go to carnival in Rio but I slept with more than a few brasilian girls in Miami, so I unconsciously had my share of big curves for few months, and felt attracted for thin and tall EE girls.

Post: #55

(03-08-2011 04:47 PM)LÉtranger Wrote:  I was supposed to go to carnival in Rio but I slept with more than a few brasilian girls in Miami, so I unconsciously had my share of big curves for few months, and felt attracted for thin and tall EE girls.

Hey, man, you are not giving us much to go by...wtf?? Data sheet!!

BTW, how are you getting by without speaking Russian? English is suppose to be uncommon and very rare to find.

Mixx

Post: #56

(03-08-2011 04:51 PM)MiXX Wrote:  [quote='L'Étranger' pid='46043' dateline='1299620855']
BTW, how are you getting by without speaking Russian? English is suppose to be uncommon and very rare to find.

I am insterested in the language part too. But Russian vs Ukrainian.I dont want to put in the effort to learn a language that is spoken only in one country but I am willing to put in the effort to learn Russian. Also, Michel Thoman has a program for Russian which makes it easier for me to learn the language.

Post: #57

(03-08-2011 04:47 PM)LÉtranger Wrote:  

(03-08-2011 11:02 AM)Luckystar Wrote:  One thing I remember about Russia was how terrible girls moved on the dance floor. I concluded it was because they didn't have the bodies to move sexy.

How can feminine women dance terribly? I went out for 2 nights and it was completly madness, even when the music is complete shit they all dance like strippers. Considering the fact that every girls wear high heels to go to McDonalds (not kidding), they got some practice.

They definitely can be very attractive and feminine. But at times, I found the girls dancing were 'trying' to be sexy, rather than 'being' sexy. It was uncoordinated and cheesy.

Having said that, it was the only circumstance where Russian/Ukranian girls were not particularly sexy. Easy to look past.

Post: #58

So no one speaks in fucking polish? GTFO. I don't believe it.

Post: #59

(03-08-2011 10:19 PM)Mystik Wrote:  I am insterested in the language part too. But Russian vs Ukrainian.I dont want to put in the effort to learn a language that is spoken only in one country but I am willing to put in the effort to learn Russian. Also, Michel Thoman has a program for Russian which makes it easier for me to learn the language.

All Ukrainian girls speak Russian. Don't bother with Ukrainian.

Post: #60

(03-08-2011 11:48 PM)drymarro Wrote:  So no one speaks in fucking polish? GTFO. I don't believe it.

Polish is understood a lot in Slovenia, if you Speak Polish, you wiill be understood on 80% of what you say and vice-versa.

Mixx

Post: #61

After they fck your brain out, they make the table:

Post: #62

Must not forget the tea and cake :

Post: #63

@L'Étranger
Damn man you are killing me! How long will you be their? I am seriously thinking on hopping on that JFK-KBP flight this July!

Post: #64

Wednesday night in Kiev.

Post: #65

Yeah, thanks for posting pics, but I think I'll pass on that nasty breakfast full of carbs and crap.

Mixx

Post: #66

(03-10-2011 01:46 PM)MiXX Wrote:  Yeah, thanks for posting pics, but I think I'll pass on that nasty breakfast full of carbs and crap.

Mixx

Nah, that food just looks too good to pass on.

Post: #67

Quote:Also this is still winter here, so Kiev is good because university is going on. During summer, young people go away on countryside or in Odessa for example.

This seems to be the case with every major city in Europe.

Fall and Spring = Top Tier Locals Experience
Winter = Second Tier
Summer = Foreign tourists, stragglers, ugly people

Post: #68

Just went through Ukraine for a few days on my way to Romania, would like to share some thoughts:

1. It is fucking cold there in early March. Temperature-wise it is not (26-32F), but combined with the strong winds and high humidity in Lviv it feels very cold. Everyone is dressed up in winter clothes, and the snow is there. No street game is really possible, everyone tries to limit their time outside to the minimum. I really froze my ass.

2. The girls seem to keep up the body shape. Comparing to ten years ago it doesn't look like the number of fat people increased at all - a huge difference comparing to Moscow, where the female population got visibly fatter just in three years. In Lviv I did not notice any visible difference.

3. The number of people in Lviv speaking Russian declined. It used to be that if you speak Russian to a person, they always reply in Russian. Seems to be not always the case anymore, in quite a few cases the people just continued talking Ukrainian to me despite me speaking in Russian. They say they understand Russian, but they are not used to speak it, and it is hard for them to remember the correct words.

4. The relationship age range increased; I got much more attention from girls in early twenties comparing to girls in thirties, who clearly looked for men in their 40s. I asked a few girls of my age about it, and they all basically said that relationships with same-age men do not work if the man is successful, as he would be able to get a much younger girl easily.

5. "Dynamo" is on the rise again. This is when you talk to a chick to set up a date, or try to change the venue, and she asks to bring her (female) friend with you, so they both can enjoy free food/drinks. Some do it for sport and will not put out, but the majority of those may put out considering the amount of effort you spent on them. If you spread your attention between both girls, you may get a threesome (in my case it was just taking turns). Not a bad deal if you have limited time, but you need to watch out - unless you know the city and clubs, you may end up spending even more money than you'd pay for a guaranteed lay, which in this case is not guaranteed. For references, a whore is 60-90 USD.

6. Overall I stand up behind my opinion that Lviv sucks for short-term gaming, It may be a goldmine when you settle up there and make a large social circle, but if you're there for two weeks and you don't understand Ukrainian or Polish, it is unlikely that you'll have any genuine success.

Post: #69

I am in Kiev right now, I want to slowly go back to the west so I will pass by Lviv before going Warsaw. Can you share some specifics spots to hit (during day or night).

PS: I have been pretty good a daygame even in the cold, maybe its because its not new for me, being from Montreal. Or maybe its because girls give so much eye contact, and are already smiling after "privet".

Post: #70

(03-12-2011 06:37 AM)LÉtranger Wrote:  I am in Kiev right now, I want to slowly go back to the west so I will pass by Lviv before going Warsaw. Can you share some specifics spots to hit (during day or night).

PS: I have been pretty good a daygame even in the cold, maybe its because its not new for me, being from Montreal. Or maybe its because girls give so much eye contact, and are already smiling after "privet".

Let me know if your trip takes you through Kraków. Send me a PM if it does.

Post: #71

I feel that Kiev is overrated. I didn't met a single local girl that wants to actually live here.
I'm going to Lviv next week.
Then Krakow, ill send you pm (does life: mobile works in Poland or should I get another sim?)
I'm gonna rent for a week a flat near Stare Miasto, its actually cheaper than in Kiev (wtf)

Post: #72

(03-12-2011 06:37 AM)LÉtranger Wrote:  I am in Kiev right now, I want to slowly go back to the west so I will pass by Lviv before going Warsaw. Can you share some specifics spots to hit (during day or night).

Sure.
Daygame: during weekdays (especially mid-day) the Politechnic Institute/University area, and Ivana Franka University areas are very good to meet the 18-25 student crowd. The cafes around are typically packed with them, and you can even enter both Universities. There is a checkpoint with a guard, but he does not check anyone unless you look really out of place. During weekends the city center area (Opera theater square, Market square) and the Svobodi/Shevchenko boulevards are typically the place.

Night game: I can only vouch for two clubs, and I did not check any place during this visit, so my information is over a year old. Lerroy Country Club is the place to go for an older crowd; typically 25+. Relatively close to the city center, like 10 minute cab ride. It is NOT country club the American way (i.e. there is no pool, tennis or golf), it is an upscale nightclub. They have some basic dress code there (no sportswear), for the girls the dress code is more tough - basically they don't let in any girl wearing pants unless they're a really skinny jeans or leggings. This is quite expensive place - think American prices - and a lot of girls would be looking for you to pay for their drinks, so beware. I got laid there couple of times, and once brought back a two-person "dynamo". Watch out for "dynamo" girls I described above unless you have experience gaming them - otherwise you'll lose both money and time.

The second club is Millennium, in the city center, a ten minute walk from Opera house. The crowd there is like 16-21 with occasional people in their thirties. Good for fishing the young students or high school girls. If you go there, make sure you get a table; it was like $10 a year ago plus a drink, but it worth it since it is a huge dance floor and there are very few places to sit outside the table area, while your table comes with two sofas. The girls later at night would almost beg you to let you sit there with their drinks. The club is relatively cheap, so there is less drink hunting, but most girls still stuck to their glass of beer and looking for someone buying them a more expensive drink. Watch out for whores if it is not something you want, there was plenty of them. There is hotel "Lviv" almost across Millenium; do't go there, it is a shithole. If you need an hourly hotel, ask the cabbie.

PS. Age of consent in Ukraine is 16, but you already should know it

Post: #73

(03-12-2011 05:12 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  3. The number of people in Lviv speaking Russian declined. It used to be that if you speak Russian to a person, they always reply in Russian. Seems to be not always the case anymore, in quite a few cases the people just continued talking Ukrainian to me despite me speaking in Russian. They say they understand Russian, but they are not used to speak it, and it is hard for them to remember the correct words.

So much for my Russian lessons...

I think I'll wait for summertime and head straight to Odessa and completely skip Kiev.

Mixx

Post: #74

(03-15-2011 12:27 PM)MiXX Wrote:  I think I'll wait for summertime and head straight to Odessa and completely skip Kiev.

Mixx

Just arrived in Lviv today and im enjoying myself 3x more. Withstanding the fact everything is cheaper. I actually had trouble finding a nice flat for an OK price in Kiev. In Lviv they are everywhere and located in really nice historic houses.

Lviv is extreme west (next to Poland wich language is closer to ukrainian) thats why they dont speak that well Russian. But Odessa in summer will be pretty cosmopolitan so I think your lessons will be greatly handy.

Post: #75

Recently, I met up with a few guys who had lived in Ukraine. These were their perspective on the women there:

1. Most people, including most young people, do not speak English. If you go to clubs with 'face control' you will find many girls who speak English. Knowing some Russian/Ukrainian as a short time visitor is essential. It's been stated many times on the forum, but it is worth noting again because it is the first thing that they pointed out.

2. Girls in Kiev are fast becoming spoiled. Kiev is where the wealthiest people in country reside. Rich Moscovites come to town on business from time to time. While, many other foreigners come to town for P4P. Bottom line: Girls are getting accustomed to men spending cash on them, whether outright for sex, for clothes, or for general wining and dining. According to these guys, every girl is trying to get something tangible, not just some good times.

3. Racism is not as bad as Russia. Apparently, unlike Russia, there are many Lebanese and Turkish businesses and tourists in Kiev. People do stare, but they are not overtly racist. More importantly, racial violence is uncommon in Kiev.

4. Apparently, 'face control' clubs are where the best girls are at. One third constitute the affluent class of Kiev, one third are pros/semi pros, and the other third are just normal ppl. This helps explain why the environment is more English friendly. Be prepared to shore girls.

5. University girls are best found at near by pubs and bars. Many universities are restricted unless you have student ID. Apparently, it is not particularly easy to get on campus, much like France.

Anyway, these are not my insights. I m just the messenger here. Just some thoughts from some guys that live/lived in Kiev.