Post: #151

(11-05-2013 12:59 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  It's scary to think how many girls we've banged that have or are peddling pussy on the side. Whether "indirectly" through SA, or straight up on CL or Backpage. A lot of these chicks have boyfriends that are completely oblivious to the fact.

My ex gf at a world class university had a professor take her to conferences, pay for her stuff, buy her clothes. This was 15 years ago. This stuff has always gone on. The line between P4P and "real sex" is blurry at best.

Post: #152

^ Yep.

What is marriage if not a lifetime p4p contract?

Post: #153

Jacking < whoring < shoring < gaming "legit girls"

Post: #154

(11-05-2013 07:31 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  ^ Yep.

What is marriage if not a lifetime p4p contract?

If you were to calculate the sex acts with a wife/divide by alimony and divorce settlement it would likely be cheaper for a pro.

Post: #155

(11-05-2013 07:30 PM)JimNortonFan Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 12:59 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  It's scary to think how many girls we've banged that have or are peddling pussy on the side. Whether "indirectly" through SA, or straight up on CL or Backpage. A lot of these chicks have boyfriends that are completely oblivious to the fact.

My ex gf at a world class university had a professor take her to conferences, pay for her stuff, buy her clothes. This was 15 years ago. This stuff has always gone on. The line between P4P and "real sex" is blurry at best.

I agree, but it comes down to what you have to pay for and what you do not.

Learn to build=cheap house
Learn to wrench= free car repairs
Learn distillation= free booze

Learn game=free pussy

We have to pay for enough in life. The 3 most common things on this planet are air, water, and pussy. Shouldn't all 3 be free? Let someone else keep the girls fed and happy. They cheat as soon as their sugar daddy is out of sight. I don't pay nothing.

Post: #156

That's why I can't understand posts against shoring. Their job is to make men happy. They make the guy who shores happy for free.

Post: #157

These threads are funny to me now.

Why would Bieber pay for sex? He has more to lose if he does not.

Once you got real cash in your pocket, not just a stick in the bank but pushin up on mid 8 digit money... You have significantly more to lose with a "normal" relationship. Justin Bieber could out pull everyone on this forum even if he was forced to be a mute for the entire night, confined to a wheel chair with a shirt that says "fuck me" on it.

The only people who have the right to pay for sex IMHO are 1) wealthy as fuck people 8 digits+, 2) old dudes.

When you're 60 no amount of game will get you the same chick when compared to a G in your pocket.

"You pay for women with your time or money. You always pay with the tool that is cheaper"

With the above you'll always see the middle and lower class "against" what he did. For average joe making 3-10g's a month. Dropping a grand for a broad hurts. If you're making 100K+ a MONTH you're not even on he same planet.

If you give me $100M fucking LOL if you see me sip a drop of booze or so much as sneeze to get a 9 spot.

People don't realize what kind of power you get with that kind of money and fame. You have to see it.

Finally, if you open your eyes go and try to find the hottest chicks you've ever banged in your life on a website like seeking arrangement. Don't be surprised when your princess shows up.

All that said, most people will never even see that kind of success so you're better off with game and improving yourself because you'll make more money and have a more fulfilling life with game/career/fitness etc.

Post: #158

Obviously it doesn't take game to get whore- well maybe it does to get access to the highest quality whores (or a lot of money).

I'd rather guys have the option to pay for it than not. It's not like keeping the option off the table is going to deter anyone.

As far as p4p goes and making judgements on what it means when people get off, I say:

Post: #159

I think we can why the elite does it, but why would the rest of us do the same with nothing to lose?

Post: #160

Wealthy and famous people do it because they use their money to buy convenience and luxury. Rich and famous dudes don't wait in the same lines we do. They have handlers to take care of the little hassles in life and make their lives convenient. They fly first class or on private jets. They stay at 5 star hotels, and have the finest sheets. Money buys you luxury and convenience. So why would this not extend into their sexual lives? The rich and famous get a lot of poon, but they like them some strange now and then and when they do they want dimes and they don't want a lot of chit-chat and bullshit. So they order up what they want.

Post: #161

(11-05-2013 04:45 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 04:21 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  Because Roosh is running players website/biz, not p4p. The latter attracts those like Dash Global, and you know where that ended up.

Exactly. Don't need a huge influx of mongers here as they generally have a totally different outlook on not only how to get pussy, but how they live their lives.

Think lowest common denominator.

That type is not needed nor wanted here.

I bet a p4p subforum would increase Roosh's profits.

A p4p subforum would also increase the data of the forum. This is very useful information even to guys who don't pay for sex.


it's obvious from this thread that:

1. most guys on this forum support at least doing p4p occasionally, when it is worth it, as a supplement to getting women via becoming more attractive as a man.

2. even most of the highest status players/famous celebrities also do p4p, along with being very attractive men.

Post: #162

Eh nah unless the dude is a verified rich mother fucker having p4p guys is disgusting.

Average man can't get laid so he adds no value.

Average man who also pays = aspengers.

Post: #163

I wonder too if why some celebs turning gay has something to do with p4p. Add that to the constant flow of non-pay, and maybe they get tired of it? Too much of anything can get old, so back to the rule of moderation. Most of us here like filet mignon, but how much would you like it after eating it 3 meals a day and inbetween snacks?

Charlie Sheen was fucking Kayla Coxx, Dennis Rodman all over trannies in Miami, Jake the Snake Roberts mmf bi threesoms, and the celeb McQueenPlayboyRules was hanging out with that admitted it (he just posted that recent).

Post: #164

If you think you have ever gotten a women without "paying" it just means you place a value of zero on your time.

Post: #165

When my water line broke I called a professional who showed up at my convenience, took care of what needed taking care of, then split without any hassle.

I didn't go out to a mall and spend 4 hours talking some amateur into taking a crack at it, watch them do a half-assed job, then sit around beaming because I didn't have to pay for it.

Post: #166

(11-05-2013 07:47 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  These threads are funny to me now.

Why would Bieber pay for sex? He has more to lose if he does not.

Once you got real cash in your pocket, not just a stick in the bank but pushin up on mid 8 digit money... You have significantly more to lose with a "normal" relationship. Justin Bieber could out pull everyone on this forum even if he was forced to be a mute for the entire night, confined to a wheel chair with a shirt that says "fuck me" on it.

The only people who have the right to pay for sex IMHO are 1) wealthy as fuck people 8 digits+, 2) old dudes.

When you're 60 no amount of game will get you the same chick when compared to a G in your pocket.

"You pay for women with your time or money. You always pay with the tool that is cheaper"

With the above you'll always see the middle and lower class "against" what he did. For average joe making 3-10g's a month. Dropping a grand for a broad hurts. If you're making 100K+ a MONTH you're not even on he same planet.

If you give me $100M fucking LOL if you see me sip a drop of booze or so much as sneeze to get a 9 spot.

People don't realize what kind of power you get with that kind of money and fame. You have to see it.

Finally, if you open your eyes go and try to find the hottest chicks you've ever banged in your life on a website like seeking arrangement. Don't be surprised when your princess shows up.

All that said, most people will never even see that kind of success so you're better off with game and improving yourself because you'll make more money and have a more fulfilling life with game/career/fitness etc.

Close the thread. Nothing else needs to be said except for this.

WC succinctly sums up everything you need to know here in this post. Brilliant analysis.

Post: #167

(11-05-2013 07:47 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  These threads are funny to me now.

Why would Bieber pay for sex? He has more to lose if he does not.

Once you got real cash in your pocket, not just a stick in the bank but pushin up on mid 8 digit money... You have significantly more to lose with a "normal" relationship. Justin Bieber could out pull everyone on this forum even if he was forced to be a mute for the entire night, confined to a wheel chair with a shirt that says "fuck me" on it.

The only people who have the right to pay for sex IMHO are 1) wealthy as fuck people 8 digits+, 2) old dudes.

When you're 60 no amount of game will get you the same chick when compared to a G in your pocket.

"You pay for women with your time or money. You always pay with the tool that is cheaper"

With the above you'll always see the middle and lower class "against" what he did. For average joe making 3-10g's a month. Dropping a grand for a broad hurts. If you're making 100K+ a MONTH you're not even on he same planet.

If you give me $100M fucking LOL if you see me sip a drop of booze or so much as sneeze to get a 9 spot.

People don't realize what kind of power you get with that kind of money and fame. You have to see it.

Finally, if you open your eyes go and try to find the hottest chicks you've ever banged in your life on a website like seeking arrangement. Don't be surprised when your princess shows up.

All that said, most people will never even see that kind of success so you're better off with game and improving yourself because you'll make more money and have a more fulfilling life with game/career/fitness etc.

Post: #168

Didn't realize there are so many Bieber fans here

Post: #169

It's no secret that popular boy band acts like the Backstreet Boys and N'sync were produced by dudes like Lou Pearlman who had them perform sexual favors while underage.

Is Justin Bieber any different? I doubt it.

I bet the kid has taken it up the ass from industry hot-shots on the road to making it big.

Post: #170

(11-05-2013 07:47 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  These threads are funny to me now.

Why would Bieber pay for sex? He has more to lose if he does not.

Once you got real cash in your pocket, not just a stick in the bank but pushin up on mid 8 digit money... You have significantly more to lose with a "normal" relationship. Justin Bieber could out pull everyone on this forum even if he was forced to be a mute for the entire night, confined to a wheel chair with a shirt that says "fuck me" on it.

The only people who have the right to pay for sex IMHO are 1) wealthy as fuck people 8 digits+, 2) old dudes.

When you're 60 no amount of game will get you the same chick when compared to a G in your pocket.

"You pay for women with your time or money. You always pay with the tool that is cheaper"

With the above you'll always see the middle and lower class "against" what he did. For average joe making 3-10g's a month. Dropping a grand for a broad hurts. If you're making 100K+ a MONTH you're not even on he same planet.

If you give me $100M fucking LOL if you see me sip a drop of booze or so much as sneeze to get a 9 spot.

People don't realize what kind of power you get with that kind of money and fame. You have to see it.

Finally, if you open your eyes go and try to find the hottest chicks you've ever banged in your life on a website like seeking arrangement. Don't be surprised when your princess shows up.

All that said, most people will never even see that kind of success so you're better off with game and improving yourself because you'll make more money and have a more fulfilling life with game/career/fitness etc.

I kinda disagree with this.

I agree that you should improve your social skills, your physique, your character etc.. to become a more attractive man that gets sex without paying. You gain internal value, so to speak.

What I don't understand is the strict anti-p4p stance. Why should you NEVER pay for sex? Even if it would be extremely pleasurable? Even if the girl is an 8/10 or better and she only wants 40 bucks for a whole night to have sex with her and her friend, and they are sitting right on your bed in your hotel?

I'm not arguing either-or, I just think that p4p is alright some of the time. Wearing the badge of "I've never paid for sex in my life" like it's some sort of point of pride doesn't make sense to me.

Post: #171

In my city there are regular tours by Eastern European pornstars who are escorting. A couple of years back I did a smoking hot Romanian called Black Angelika for the paltry sum of 225 euros, bargain.
I hardly ever indulge in p4p but i'm not against it. Unless you are slamming crackwhores or letting it affect you gaming normal women.

Post: #172

Whatever is said in this thread, keep in mind that p4p will never count as a notch. The only way that p4p intertwines with notch is if someone bestows a whore to you as a present and you don't have to pay anything. In this situation, it can't be a thing where someone owes you $. It's the direct transaction of cash for pussy that separates game from p4p.

An example would be if some rich Russian oil tycoon takes a liking to you an offers you a woman: "comrade, you can have any of these women that you like"

In this case, the notch counts because you got the bang just from being cool.

Being desperate and spending your last penny on p4p is not cool, so it doesn't count.

Being a rich guy who's got tons of money to throw away on whores doesn't really count either, because there's nothing inherently cool about that (unless he's paying famous women because he wants them to be slutty whores like in an s&m roleplay.. But that's just make believe).

I do think a rich guy who has sugar babies that up coming models and actresses has some kind of kink factor, so that doesn't really count as p4p.

If you are playing a game where you have to get a certain amount of notches on a given time, p4p is not part of it.

You don't need game for p4p.

I've been posting lately that fame is the ultimate game, but the truth is that famous people can't really participate in the kind of ninja game stuff we talk about here because the fame thing is going to pollute the subterfuge.

I propose that we have different classes of game like they do in boxing. The heavyweight class is when you get famous and has types of its own rules that seem to contradict some of the lower types. It seems like it's to the benefit of famous people to underplay their power or use p4p so as to not get stuck in legal hell (more so than average player).

But the same rules don't work for the newbie who is trying build up the perception of his value.

For some famous people, the game becomes " how can I lead a somewhat normal life while still performing in top grossing Hollywood films or being in a famous band etc."

I know that Michael Jackson used to go hang out in record stores in disguise.

In conclusion, p4p should be legal, but it doesn't count as an act of game.

Post: #173

Normal women, prostitutes, they all the same to me, prostitutes are used to 'normal' women, still are. Couldn't care less about what other people do as long as that's what they want. The concept of notch feels kinda funny though, never think about it before.

Post: #174

(11-06-2013 08:20 AM)soup Wrote:  Whatever is said in this thread, keep in mind that p4p will never count as a notch.

When it's all said and done, who really cares about "notches"?

It's not like they are redeemable for store credit at the Walmart in Zanesville, are they?

Plus, when you get over 500, no one is going to believe you anyways. Especially on the all the people from Zanesville on the Internet.

Post: #175

Memories > notch count