Post: #1

I havent seen this subject before: best time of the night for nightgame. So, i will write from my own experience about the subject.

What prompted me was reading GIOVONNY's thread: my game sucks. He advocates the mass approach.

While i do mass approach, in fact, i like to randomly start conversation with strangers: young, old, homeless, etc. for no good reason. When it comes to night game, i am much more strategic. what do i mean?

If the bar/club is opened till 2am in the morning... i dont really step on the accelerator until around 12:30am. I have found out that i pull the greatest amount of women after 12:30am....

I tend to look for body language: girls that are clearly bored with talking to each other all night, you can see this in the bored expression on their faces .... girls that are standing/sitting facing partially outward into the bar crowd ... girls that maintain eye contact with me just a shade longer, ... girls that gave me a subtle, quick lookover ... etcetera, ;

The reality is that these girls have come in at 10pm or 11pm... talked and talked and talked and talked with each other to death... now, they are bored. I come in as the new excitement.

I also noticed that girls that are super-confident in the early stages of the night, rejecting men left and right, are much more susceptible as the night wears on after men completely stopped hitting on them. Especially, if hardly any men had hit on them all night and they are tired of talking to death with their friends.

In my experience, the least optimal time to hit on girls is immediately when they've just entered a club/bar. Have i pulled girls just as they are entering a club? yes. But speaking for myself, my rejection rate is higher with that approach/time window. For bars/clubs closing at 2am, for me, the optimal time is starting from 12:30am, i flip a switch and gear into high octane approach. I noticed that incidence of random cockblocking or amoging decreases exponentially at this time(at past 12:30am).. i guess that most of the men had been rejected several times, as such, had lost confidence and given up for the night.

Another thing i noticed from going aggressive starting from 12:30am, is that since girls have ordered shots left and right all night, and gullible men already bought them shots and drinks; they(ladies) are less likely to ask you to buy them drinks. They already had their full of alcohol. Of course, if any of those bitches wants me to buy them drinks(which rarely happened to me); my standard reply is "you buy the 1st round, i will buy the 2nd round. ladies first."

Before 12:30am i keep myself busy with mostly dance approach.... and yes, i roll solo. I have no problem/qualms separating myself from my friends and going to a completely different bars/clubs all by myself. I simply disappear. I do this too often. I am a lone wolf. When i am feeling generous, i will bring a group of females to entertain my friends before abandoning all of them.

I rarely approach girls after the bar/club has closed. Too many desperate men haphazardly hitting on bitches left and right. The only time i tend to break this rule is if (a) the girls are standing around and pretending to keep busy by checking their phones instead of energetically looking for emily or jessica or lizzy or claire or whichever one of their lost friends.(b) The only other time i break this rule is if i met random girls at an eatery close by to the bar/club. When the bar/club is closed, my next goto target environment to pickup girls is at any nearby pizza/sandwich place. I generally dont wait around in front of the bars desperately hitting on girls streaming out of clubs. Some people can pull it off, it is simply not my style.

Like i said, while i admire and respect GIOVONNY'S scattershot approach where you go after as many random girls as possible--and I think this help in refining your approach skills.(i do so myself, i even strike up random converstation with complete strangers(young, old, wrinkled, paraplegic, homeless,etc) on almost daily basis.)). When it comes to night game, i tend to be surgical.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE A TIME WINDOW when their night game is optimal? and why do you think this is? share and discuss.

Post: #2

This looks like good analysis.

What would you say about places that close later than 2AM? Do you shift it back somewhat?

Post: #3

(11-02-2013 05:18 PM)aphelion Wrote:  This looks like good analysis.

What would you say about places that close later than 2AM? Do you shift it back somewhat?

I do not have enough experience with bars/clubs that close much later than 2AM to offer any concrete advice.

I will say this much though. i believe the reason why this works for me at bars that closes at 2am is because of two things:

(1) The girls are more receptiveat this time window for reasons already discussed above.

(2) The men are less of a competition at this time window for reasons already discussed above.(men are much more aggressive early in the night because of high confidence; and are more aggressive at closing time 2am because they are now desperate to not go home alone.) This invariably inflates the girls bitch shields/ego apart from the issue of amoging.

The time window works for me because of the two combinations of less male competition and increased female receptiveness at bars that closes at 2am... this is the core issue. If you can achieve these two states either through time window, or through venue selection or through logistics or through a different mutation of game. That is all that matters.

Post: #4

Where I live, bars get really crowded around midnight. It takes forever to get a drink and you literally have to push your way to get anywhere, including the bathroom. My favorite time to approach is right around 11PM, right before everyone gets there. There is usually no cover, the music is not ridiculously loud, the guys have not build up their liquid courage, and the girls are just standing there, looking around. I think they mention something like that in The Game too. Girls are not overwhelmed with attention, so they are nicer to you. Also, this is the time where most "good girls" tend to be out. So unless I'm in a solid set or otherwise having a blast, I'm going home around midnight. Some of my friends like to close down the place, but I have not had much luck with that, especially the morning after.

Post: #5

I guess 11pm is your time window. WE will all have different time windows.

If i recall correctly, roosh mentioned that bars/club doesnt get going in iceland until 4am in the morning. that is when things truly starts.

I like the fact that you've optimize your time instead of wasting it, one-two. Were you able to pull a SNL with 11pm time window?

In my view, this is a critical element in field report. some field reports will not report the best time to approach girls in a city or bars/clubs. they will mentioned that they went to X, approach Y number of girls....went home with Z girl....then get into her pants after shattering LMR.

It is my belief that if you've approached the same girl with the same game at a different time point during the night... you may not be successful. I think the element of timing factors into the odds of successful bangs.

Of course, when all else fails, approach like a maniac and let the chips fall where they may. If you get rejected, you get rejected. move on.

anyways, i found your time window to be curious, one-two. where i live the cover charges starts at 10pm to around 12:30am. and where i live the tsunami of people hit the bars at around 11pm. and when girls come into the bars, they dont stand around, they get drinks and head energetically to the dance floor to shake their arses, annoyingly singing along to every stupid songs. they only calm down as the night wears on. that is why earlier in the night for me, i focus more on dance approach.

Some people do not like the noise and mess of nightclubs. I fucking love it. It is like an injection of adrenaline for me.

yes, i did read the game/mystery method. i dont follow it. I engaged in trial and error until i found what works for me.

(11-02-2013 07:36 PM)one-two Wrote:  Where I live, bars get really crowded around midnight. It takes forever to get a drink and you literally have to push your way to get anywhere, including the bathroom. My favorite time to approach is right around 11PM, right before everyone gets there. There is usually no cover, the music is not ridiculously loud, the guys have not build up their liquid courage, and the girls are just standing there, looking around. I think they mention something like that in The Game too. Girls are not overwhelmed with attention, so they are nicer to you. Also, this is the time where most "good girls" tend to be out. So unless I'm in a solid set or otherwise having a blast, I'm going home around midnight. Some of my friends like to close down the place, but I have not had much luck with that, especially the morning after.

Post: #6

Quote:I like the fact that you've optimize your time instead of wasting it, one-two. Were you able to pull a SNL with 11pm time window?

I have pulled an SNL maybe once or twice, but I don't attribute it to the time window, but rather the location (college town, ski resort, vacation island) and the sheer amount of liquor consumed.

Quote:It is my belief that if you've approached the same girl with the same game at a different time point during the night... you may not be successful. I think the element of timing factors into the odds of successful bangs.

Agree.

The 10PM cover start time is pretty typical. I always plan to come in right before it starts, but sometimes we get there too late. Everything I mentioned still works, I have enough time for 1-2 drinks, maybe open a set or two, and then bounce to a quieter bar.

There is another time slot worth mentioning, the happy hour. I am not sure, but I think it goes like this: happy hour crowd, dinner out crowd, party late crowd. Some places just blend from happy hour to party.

Post: #7

I agree with the points that most men at this point have lost their state. They go from "yeah bro let's go!!" pregaming, to a few terrible approaches, and eventually get discouraged and nurse their drink at the bar.

However, I've oft found that girls at this point have been on the receiving end of such bad game that their shields are even further raised. It's a constant game of trying to balance it all, and the other patrons in the club/bar probably have a bigger effect on one man's ability to pick up than he realized.

Personally, I just try to always be approaching through the whole night, but I might try some nights when I go a little more tactical, as described.

Post: #8

A good video on the topic-





Pretty much everyone I know relaxes the first half of the night, and pushes hard later. Ideally you should be in the zone by the 2nd half so you can push harder.

Post: #9

(11-02-2013 05:12 PM)Nemencine Wrote:  Before 12:30am i keep myself busy with mostly dance approach.... and yes, i roll solo.

This is the key ingredient. It's past midnight, everyone is probably at their peak intoxication, and the music is loud. Everyone has put in the obligatory "friend talking" for the night and is tired of thinking. It's ideal for dance game, which is the quickest route to hooking up with a girl.

Even then, though, you still have to practice "scattershod" approaching. If you're doing even slightly aggressive dance game, you are inviting the rejection to come immediately so you can move on until you find a winner.

Edit: Wait, you're running dance game before midnight/12:30 and switch over to talking after?

Post: #10

I often get to clubs just before 11pm. I either have a single drink to cool off and relax with a buddy or I start feeling the music and getting into a fun state.

I save my approaching until after 12, or until the club gets decently busy and the dance floor is busy. I've approached many times before this window and what I have noticed is that approaches will go insanely well. They always hook. Problem is, it's too early to escalate in most cases. It's good to do early approaches to build up state but if you are experienced in night game you don't need to go through this warm up period as much.

I have rolled in at a packed club during peak time, at or about 12:30 am, just like you say. It's key to have had experience in the environment to be able to instantly adapt to the high energy and be able to approach efficiently. Having said that, the 12:30-1:30 window is the time of the night where you should be on overdrive and approaching and devoting all your energy into meeting and dancing with girls that might be down for a pull.

Sometimes I get started too early (around 11:30) and by the time the peak comes around, I start to die off in energy levels and am not able to perform as good until 2 am, which is arguably the best time for pulls.

Post: #11

@ TORONTOKID.

Excellent video. Thanks! Like i wrote earlier, from my own personal experience, I just know that i do better as the night wears on(just like in that video), rather than in the beginning of the night, at clubs that closes at 2am. That is why i do my standard approaches later in the night. I never thought that the reason why my failure rate is higher with girls that first walk into the bar could also be due to the girls not having acclimated to the barscene. solid point. I always thought it is because of the girls initial higher self confidence from "let's party, girl" mentality and (b) because of increase bitch shields as a result of (initially) confidence men hitting on them.
Also, i never broke it down into 2hours vs 2 hours like that lad did in that video.... which matches almost perfectly with my own experience +/- 30minutes. I start at 12:30am.... he starts at 1am. I guess great minds think alike. hahahahaha.

@ TROUBLEMAKER

Yes, there is an increase chance of bitchshields from girls been hit on left and right as the night wears on.... How do i deal with this? i simply weed out these high bitchshields girls. How? i look for girls that are bored to death from talking to each other...i look for girls that are more interested in furtively scanning the crowd than facing each other... sometimes, they just sit complete silence semi-facing the bar crowd.... they make eye contact a shade longer, .... they gave you a quick once-over look...etc. clearly waiting for somebody to have the cojones to rescue them from their boredom..... But of course, at this time period, the men's self confidence has been dashed from too many failed approaches.

Sometimes, you can see a bunch of men, holding their drinks, standing at some distant orbit around some of these girls, clearly intimidated to make the moves on these ladies.... In some funny cases, after I have approach these girls, some of these lads will suddenly feel confidence enough to want to insert himself into the conversation that i am having with the girls. My rejoinder? a cold, withering stare, that says "wtf are you doing? fuck off" --i stare him down. that usually solves my amog problem. my physical build may also play a role. after the amog has left, i will turn to the ladies and said "you know the X bar on strainholm ave? last week that creep literally stalked my friend jenny into the ladies room. the bouncer had to kick him out."

I always do this with AMOGS... after i have successfully neutralizes them, i will drop a statement about a female friend of mine having a creepy experience with him at X location.

@ RANDALGRAVES.

I found it easier to pick up bored looking girls that are on the 1st floor(away from the music on the 2nd floor or basement level) -- girls that have already been at the club since 10pm or 11pm and are sick of talking to each other and are not dancing. i have had girl within a group ask me if i want to go and dance with her -- away from her sitting friends. which of course, provides opportunity for kino. There are girls that will dance all night with every joe and andy grinding on her, that is not the target here. My optimal success come from approaching girls that are clearly bored and ignored all night.

Post: #12

This is a good argument for not drinking too much and not peaking too early. If you do pre drinks before you go out, you will inevitably end up peaking at like 10. Does anyone have any advice on how to combat this?

Post: #13

(11-03-2013 11:24 AM)Cyr Wrote:  This is a good argument for not drinking too much and not peaking too early. If you do pre drinks before you go out, you will inevitably end up peaking at like 10. Does anyone have any advice on how to combat this?

Give sober game a try: http://www.returnofkings.com/18097/why-y...sober-game

Post: #14

(11-03-2013 11:31 AM)Nascimento Wrote:  

(11-03-2013 11:24 AM)Cyr Wrote:  This is a good argument for not drinking too much and not peaking too early. If you do pre drinks before you go out, you will inevitably end up peaking at like 10. Does anyone have any advice on how to combat this?

Give sober game a try: http://www.returnofkings.com/18097/why-y...sober-game

Thanks, thats a cool article. I think what I'll probably do is just have a shot or two before I go out to get a buzz going and then pay for a drink at like 12:30 in the club. (So not quite sober game, but much less drinking).
I'll try going out completely sober next time I'm going out and have a lot to do the next day.

Post: #15

Talked about this on the hollywood data sheet. I've basically written out the same thing you said. Only thing LA is much more technique/time-sensitive (early last-call, bad ratios, traffic, ride-sharing, etc etc)

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"Vibe/Strategy- Difficult to describe, because I switch from different stages as the night progresses.

Early- Friendly, but not overly aggressive. Still in that "early-night game". Its kind of similar to a bday-party vibe. Just get to know people, touch base, let them know your face. Establish leads and keep moving through the crowd. People are still sober (no roving drunkards yet), so its easy to integrate into groups. (10.30-11.30pm)

Mid- More of the same, but ramp up the aggression a little. People will start drinking. This is the ideal time of the night to pick off a couple leads and start a little dance then bounce then to the smoking area. Most of your leads will be start coming through at this time. As it get later, you should continue approaching, but you might have to start doing direct-style game: grabbing girls by the hand that walk by, walking up into middle of group and saying hi to a girl. Bolder stuff. (11.30-12.45)

Late- Prepare for the bitch shields. Lots of thirsty, drunk dudes descend. 12.30pm+ is the beginning of the end. The dance floor will be too crowded- too many guys grinding up on random girls. This means dance floor is out of the equation now, at least for new girls.

12.30pm-2am is perfect time to do laps around the smoking patio, then through the dance floor briefly to scoop leads from before. Dance for 2 mins w/prior leads, then bounce them outside.

Its also a perfect time to get "girls in transition". Girls going to the dancefloor, going away from the dance floor. Just get in front or next to the girl, and spit some game. 1/2 the time you can integrate into her group for smokes or bounce her further into the dancefloor away from her group."

^^^Keep in mind this is for clubs.