Post: #51

(10-30-2013 10:48 PM)Consul Wrote:  

Quote:There are different types of intelligence.

Mathematical intelligence does not guarantee pussy intelligence. Just look at Steven Hawking who says that

"women are the greatest mystery of the world"

He clearly does not know what he's talking about.

Here's a clue for Mr. Hawking: girls don't want to have sex with a cripple who talks through a computer.

"Mystery" solved.

Nah.., He needs some spinners on his whip.

Post: #52

(10-30-2013 11:08 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  Nah.., He needs some spinners on his whip.

I think kickboxer had the right idea, he just needs a MOUF FULL OF GOLDZ:

Post: #53

Be like this guy.

Post: #54

^^Am I the only one on planet Earth who hated this movie?

Post: #55

Haven't watched it in a while now, but I think it's fantastic.

Post: #56

(10-31-2013 12:20 AM)Wadsworth Wrote:  ^^Am I the only one on planet Earth who hated this movie?

I liked it, if you could just get to iq 230 or something and study stock movements or the like you might be able to reach escape velocity

Post: #57

I will probably read any thread that draws MikeCF out of the woodwork.

This guy's advice is super solid, and, to this day, I still use his exact phrasing for my online game, so any guys who are trying to figure out my online strategy should look for Mike's posts in that thread and also check out Danger and Play blog.

Keep in mind that I'm not a big buff guy either. This gives more credits to what he's saying.

Post: #58

^^^^^^ This is the clear, critical difference between somebody that knows what they are talking about versus somebody that doesnt.

While a solid number of people here have the requisite high IQ/experience to competently comment about this issue, from MikeCf to Eljefe to Hotwheels etcetera, and many others who have added their useful thoughts.....

Some on the other hand, are simply writing what they imagined will be case for somebody with high IQ. They lack the high calibre IQ/experience to know what they are talking about. They know nothing.

For the sake of authenticity, that is one of the main reason why i posted my own IQ score alongside/below my comment. Otherwise, i will just be like somebody directing brain surgery without ever been to medical school/Operating Room.

Post: #59

(10-30-2013 06:13 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  What specifically should a man do?

I know what I did.

I stopped looking to make any sort of intellectual connection with women. I learned to "keep things light."

I read well over 100 books (and far more articles in serious scientific journals) on personality development, social psychology, psychopathology, narcissism, body language, etc.

I basically used the same brain that had served me so well in an academic environment to learn human psychology and persuasion.

Really smart people tend to live in their heads more and have to learn to get "outside" of their heads.

That means ending the non-stop intellectual inner monologue.

Stop probing for deeper meaning and truth.

Alcohol numbs the brain, but what worked best for me....

Just getting jacked and dressing well.

Now I basically look like a caveman. No one would guess how smart I am.

+1 mate. We're running the exact same game. The bigger and more aggressive I got, the more pussy came my way. The more I downplayed my intelligence and became a caveman, the greater the success. I studied linguistics to train myself out of my educated speech patterns and conform to the coarser speech of my country, because I noted all the hot girls in high school dated down with coarser-speaking men, not up with refined ones. My speaking voice is the agreeable, unintimidating sound of lower-to-average intelligence that allows people to underestimate me and let down their guard.

I've found Women prefer the caveman to the scholar, even the self-confessed 'intelligent' women react with animal lust to a muscular physique. They like things light and fluffy, so asking her analysis of social interactions around you is a great way to create intimacy - you're both in a bubble together studying the other people around you, outside the moment, in a private world. 'Us vs Them'. It's a good common interest for vastly different intelligences.

(10-30-2013 06:13 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  To someone with a really high IQ, that is what talking to a smart person feels like.

Now that doesn't mean you can't find a way to effectively communicate or relate to a dull person.

Just like having a high IQ doesn't mean it's impossible to relate to a smart person or above average person.

Communication Gulf Theory says true communication breaks down entirely at only 2 Standard Deviations difference (+/- 30 IQ points). After that, the higher IQ reads as mentally-insane to the lower, and the lower IQ reads as mentally-retarded to the higher. I suspect what you and I are doing is simply dumbing down our presentation to negate the appearance of insanity - and therefore the low social value that would ascribe to us - to successfully game women we consider retarded, and are therefore incapable of engaging intellectually as we would with men.

Women would label this misogyny, but since at just 120 IQ you have twice as many men as women, (and it increase exponentially as intelligence rises), I doubt very few ever experience the Communication Gulf in action - except with Actual Retarded People. They simply don't understand how Higher Thought works, because they have no conception of it. Their flawed logic makes perfect sense to them, because they don't realise it could be read as retarded thought by a man with a higher IQ.

One recent example I did see of the gulf in action was the recent Rape Culture articles of Caroline Kitchens (intelligent) vs Gloria Ryan (retarded). Poor Kitchens is mystified why she's being accused of saying what she obviously didn't. Ryan is looking to demonise her as a dangerously insane kook. I'd suspect > 30 IQ point difference between them.

Another thing to remember is that although IQ is measured in numerical units, once you start getting into the higher numbers, the gulf becomes much greater. An IQ difference of 110 and 120 shares the same measurement as 160 and 170, but the difference between the latter is a huge increase in processing power compared to the former.

There's also some thoughtcrime research studies that conclude that men and women's matching IQ scores aren't actually equivalent: that 120 Female IQ is actually 'dumber' than 120 Male IQ.

I think there can be some misunderstanding of IQ as a clear label of intelligence. Think of it as a measurement of Potential Horsepower. Also remember it degrades as you age.

Post: #60

Most people with a high IQ know how to learn. It's their own stupid fault if they didn't apply that learning to the art of attracting women

Post: #61

(10-29-2013 11:16 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I can't envision a smart guy with game having to pretend to be a male ditz in order to pull a chick. That concept is not even in my universe.

I can tell you about guys who take every single second to lord their intelligence over people, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's a big part of the Manosphere.

WIA

This and what scorpion said.

A lot of pseudo-intellectuals in the Manoshphere with low social skills who use the "high IQ" excuse to shield their egos. "That guy only gets a lot of pussy because he's stupid, and fucks stupid girls. I prefer to go after girls who are intellectually stimulating and educated."

Very similar in nature to the guy who uses the "She's not hot enough/I have high standards." excuse to avoid approaching.

Post: #62

(10-31-2013 07:10 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  +1 mate. We're running the exact same game. The bigger and more aggressive I got, the more pussy came my way. The more I downplayed my intelligence and became a caveman, the greater the success. I studied linguistics to train myself out of my educated speech patterns and conform to the coarser speech of my country, because I noted all the hot girls in high school dated down with coarser-speaking men, not up with refined ones. My speaking voice is the agreeable, unintimidating sound of lower-to-average intelligence that allows people to underestimate me and let down their guard.

Good points.

I cuss a lot. It's not random f-bombs, but more like this:

If a girl says something disagreeable or tells a story that has some untoward aspect, I don't say, "That sucks."

Imagine, for example, she's talking about how a co-worker "betrayed" her or some such.

It's always, "That is some bullshit." Or, "Fuck that noise," "Fuck that bitch," etc.

It's a base means of communication that may not work in other cultures, but it works well in the U.S. - even among intelligent/educated girls.

Post: #63

(10-31-2013 07:17 AM)Architekt Wrote:  Most people with a high IQ know how to learn. It's their own stupid fault if they didn't apply that learning to the art of attracting women

Perhaps you do not remember the world before the Internet.

I remember it well. One reason I am so active online in sharing knowledge is because I myself drew deeply from the well.

Good luck learning game or learning niche skills without the web. You want to learn, "How can I as a smart man meet more women?" You gonna hit up the library for that info?

Before the web, real men didn't even realize how bad marriage was. Men just don't talk about that shit in real life.

Before the web, you were blind even if you wanted to see.

Now you don't have to be.

Post: #64

Most the people I've met with really high IQ are social idiots..

If you're so smart why don't you know when to shut up before you blow your potential sex out of the water?

Why are you working for me instead of the other way around? I have three self proclaimed "geniuses" here. I watch them over think things and waste time on their dime for a while before I put them back on track..

Guess what? If you think you're smart youre not.

Post: #65

High IQ is such a tough topic IMHO. When you're in college you're taught that if you are "smart" you are good with numbers and having direct speech. That's all "smart is" you get across your point in a direct manner, in addition you are good with numbers because numbers don't lie and that's the best way to see if someone can comprehend. How does being good at linear algebra statistics calculus or anything like that help get chicks? It doesn't. So smart is basically a construction around a set of beliefs: direct speech and math.

You don't see fiction authors being classified as smart. Or brilliant.

With all that said if you're legitimately smart in the academic sense listed above here is what it feels like in the beginning with no game.

1. You believe the dumb sluts are below you so you can't fathom standing in a room where people are talking about the impact of the latest retarded TV show like the kardashians.
2. You can't believe that people can't do simple math in their head, the simplest example is when a check comes and people "wonder" what the tip is going to be you're immediately annoyed as they really can't figure out wtf 15% on $167 is? You really can't believe it. This frustrates you and makes you annoyed.
3. You can't make a "intellectual connection with women" you still don't realize they are entirely emotionally driven. You don't get why they would bother talking to that dumb "ape" who can't even make $50K a year.
4. You quickly judge people's intellect out of annoyance, someone makes a dumbass comment and you immediately want to chip in and explain how wrong it is and you know you're right.
5. You constantly run "scenarios" in your head and have near photogenic memory, you realize this makes people off put because they don't understand why you remembered he entire conversation form 6 months ago verbatim. They don't get why you remember what everyone was wearing. They don't get why you took the event so "seriously" when in reality you can date back a year and do the same for mundane situations like going to grab a coffee and remembering the barrista's favorite city is Salt Lake City because you overheard it.
6. With said photogenic memory, you "socially unintelligently" remember all this and when you mention it in passing people are "freaked out or creeped out"
7. You lose touch with family and friends because they realize you remember everything so they are "on their toes" when speaking with you. This makes the cycle worse as it creates a more intense atmosphere
8. You can't fall asleep (another fact of high iq) because the synapses in your brain fire more than average people. This disrupts your sleep.

Does this sound like you? Here is what I did.

1. After drinking a few nights out I noticed the average intelligence people "liked me more".
2. Instead of saying I need to drink to have better social skills I took down 4 drinks alone in my apartment. I called friends and I recorded my body language, tone, word choice.
3. I called the same people sober. Tried to mimic the mannerisms, never perfect but a drastic improvement.
4. Rinse and repeat at bars and clubs. Slowly weaning off the drink (no matter how much you try you will always have better game with drinks if you are highly intelligent as the neocortex is impaired and you're using your reptilian brain to function more)
5. Once you realize it's all repetitions you start to pick up on the signs, pupils dialating, dudes with hands in pockets, wingspan etc.
6. Once you get be basics you then simply start improving your physique so your body language becomes a part of you. You don't put your hands in your pockets because you're never really cold you've got more warmth from high muscle content. You also don't cross your arms in a negative standing position because your shoulders are too broad and it feels uncomfortable. You're a different specimen.

Let's say you repeat the 6 steps above, constantly taking time to record yourself when you're socially "on", you gain muscle, you fix your dress, you slow down your speech (smart people usually talk fast), more "normal" people want to hang out with you. Then you move on to the next phase.

1. You see how normal people are basically looking to "get something from each other" so you sit back and usually observe any new person you meet and they find you quiet and reserved.
2. You make a cognitive decision about the person and then turn back "on" and dumb down your speech.

Rinse and repeat above.

Finally, you come to the following conclusions: 1) women fuck men who make them feel good so you can't do anything that spurs on the neo cortex (I constantly rip words in conversations and pretend they said something completely off the wall which doesn't make any sense). If your conversation is "logical" your conversation sucks.
2. You realize you will never really "get rid" of your high processing power so you just channel it to different events like 1) work, 2) bouncing ideas off legitimately smart people, 3) reading.

TL;DR? The most likable person in the room is the "bumbling buffoon" or "class clown". Make people laugh and have sweeping body language. If you want to break it down into three steps for a smart person it would be this.

1) No social intensity, once you step outside of work nothing is to be taken seriously
2) Your game is directly correleated to how you can make a group of people "feel". Controlling the emotional vibe
3) Always have open posture for a newbie, hands in pockets are a no, crossing legs are a no, crossing arms are a no

^ that's the crux of it all, no one is more likable than the "life of the party".

Post: #66

I think that in this day and age, with all the game knowledge out there, if you have bad game, then you are either ignorant, lazy, or dumb, regardless of how well you can recite the quadratic equation.

Post: #67

(10-31-2013 11:27 AM)soup Wrote:  I think that in this day and age, with all the game knowledge out there, if you have bad game, then you are either ignorant, lazy, or dumb, regardless of how well you can recite the quadratic equation.

Or you just can't find it. If you type 'pickup tips' or 'how to get a girlfriend' you'll end up with shitty advice. I bet a lot of guys on here just stumbled into game. For example, I had to write an essay on a polarising figure last year, and typed "Is zyzz a good role model" into google. Return of Kings was at the top, and I read the post. I thought it was cool that it was unabashedly 'for masculine men', so I looked around the site and saw it kept talking about game. I didn't know what that was so typed in game pua, which was also on there, learnt about mystery and then somehow found roosh and the forum.
The information that guys want isn't that accessible, and often you need to be redpill even to find it, or not be immediately put off.

Post: #68

WTF is I.Q. anyways? What does it measure? It does not account for many of the most important skills a man will need.

I think its overrated as a test of a mans potential. It's an man made concept that means nothing if not applied in the right context.

On paper, it looks great. But, in real life, you either have the skills to get what you want/need or you don't.

Einstein himself would be helpless if he was dropped into the Amazon jungle without food and shelter. His high IQ would be practically worthless, he would need an Indian with specific local knowledge to save him.

IQ is all relative.

I have the IQ of a monkey but I know how to secure food, shelter, and p*ssy.

"Smart" is a subjective term.

Post: #69

^ nah.

Einstein would survive in a jungle because the ability to survive in the wilderness is minimal.

IQ is a useless metric.

"Smart" people have a very fast ability at consuming new knowledge. Their brains are trained to absorb fast. See how this is a problem for game?

It doesn't work for game.

There is no "knowledge" being obtained/absorbed in pickup/social interaction. It is just banter and bullshit to create a vibe and flow.

The above paragraph won't even make any sense to a smart person so it is significantly harder for a bright person to learn game. Give me a kid with a below average SAT score his game will go up 20x faster than the kid who scored a 2400 all else equal.

You can't "be dumber" you have to "be different". It's not like I can tell you to "see less color" when you open your eyes. This is the same thing you are telling a high iq person when you tell him to "relax, chill, let it flow". His brain will overload wtf is "flow" what the hell is "chill" he will think "I am not even trying I just realize that person xyz over there is spouting off bullshit facts and I can hear them from here and he's just buying it all joshing with her the dude is a moron. I'm not even engaged in the conversation".

If I know I am talking to a person with high iq and he wants to learn game I will force him to turn OFF his brain. Rapid fire questions like where we're you born? How old are you? What do to do for a living?

The game we are playing is turn off your Brain so you want answers like.

"A mountain in a snowy town full of deer", "Just barely enough to grow facial stubble", "I give candy to kids (if the person is a doctor)".

You have to forcibly teach banter. You have to teach ILLOGiC to smart people. That's how you get chicks, "dumb it down".

This is also why smart guys who don't "get" game past their early 30's usually never do.

Post: #70

I used to have the problem of attracting girls who I considered "Smart". At least a normally functioning adult. It bothered me because they would "fall in love" with me.

I would rather attract bar broads on the basis that since they're dumb they won't feel bad when I undoubtedly dump them.

The older I get, the more I see attraction as a "similar" thing. You're attracted to a sort of narcissistic thing as well as something you can't have.

I should just stop caring, go forth, and multiply.

Post: #71

^^^Westcoast nails it. My progression was almost 100% similar. I was getting wasted just to "party".

Before I even read RVF, I would go out wasted 3x/week for 2-3 years. Talk about a crutch. Just happened, I built up solid momentum w/swooping girls drunk...then I got a nasty cold, but decided to go out anyways- sober. It wasn't bad. I ended up swooping some slut.

Then I quit back drastically on the alcohol and just smoked weed and went out. I vacillate between alcohol and weed, and sometimes mix the two. Seems to work for me.

The brain never stops working, but my body and exterior are honed from years of being drunk, "life of the party", and basically being all around "idiot". My humour has been calibrated from years of going out and dealing w/drunk people. My strategy honed by intense observation of other people- what worked for them and what didn't.

Being smart is a curse, because you are coddled in school. Teachers treat you like a celebrity, classmates cozy up to you to copy work or cheat off you, but the moment the bell rings your "status" vanishes. Its also a gift in that that mental acuity can be harnessed into other areas ----> it just takes time and conditioning.

Post: #72

The evolution of intelligence, it was a bi-product:




If you consider game to be a return to the animal kingdom ways, then intelligence doesn't really have much to do with it.

That said, intelligence combined with action will probably give you an advantage.

Your intelligence helps you interpret what's happening, but you need the skills to make things go your way. Otherwise, you will be a fragile homunculus watching the world happen around you instead of making things happen.

Intelligence is not really a factor. You have to be the decider, the captain, the guy who is doing it.

It starts with being present.

Post: #73

(10-31-2013 11:55 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  Einstein would survive in a jungle because the ability to survive in the wilderness is minimal

He would survive in the jungle because "the ability to survive in the wilderness is minimal"?

I'm not sure what that means???

I say, he has about 72-96 hours to find/create/make SHELTER, FOOD, CLEAN WATER, AND PROTECTION FROM PREDATORS.

If he can not accomplish that, the "smartest" man in the world will soon become food for insects, maggots, snakes,and critters, unable to satisfy his most basic human needs.

I.Q.would probably help, but, specific skills are what will save his life.

Specific skills are the key.

Post: #74

^ lol come on man you're just trolling me now.

Anyone who can't survive in a jungle would have to be mentally insane. It's just like going camping.

If you're talking about throwing us into a lions den with nothing and saying "good luck" we're all fucked.

Survival really isn't that hard because of the human brain to think strategically. The dude would know how to make a fire, how to make sharp objects, how to get food. That point is moot.

If you can't survive with a working brain you're not "overly smart" you're literally on mental retardation level and can't think for yourself.

Anyway most smart people have a hard time engaging their reptilian brain and most never do. Saying anyone can simply get it without getting trapped in their own thoughts has not been around many smart people. If you want a deep dive into the mental trap go hang out with a quant, these guys are like walking computers and can get along with their fellow man because we are all wired logically. Put them infront of a girl and watch the hilarity.

There is a reason why a lot of software programmers and real smart coders have zero social intelligence, their cognitive brain is basically overdeveloped.

Yes, even guys with aspengers can survive in a jungle. Any able bodied man is not gonna die. These types of "man eat man" arguments are just dumb because it's simply not gonna happen. I mean shit you see reality star weirdos get on survivor every season and those people all survive.

You're basically saying someone as bright as Einstein would literally die on a show like survivor. You'd have to be crazy to really believe that to be true.

Post: #75

(10-31-2013 02:06 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  Anyone who can't survive in a jungle would have to be mentally insane. It's just like going camping.

Camping without the tent, sleeping bag, cooler of food, propane stove, and lantern.

Without these supplies, you have 72-96 hours to create them.

If you were dropped into the heart of the Amazon with NO SUPPLIES, do you really think it would be that easy?

Imo, many guys would be dead within a 7-10 days, even guys with a high IQ