Post: #51

(10-25-2013 10:10 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 08:46 AM)MidniteSpecial Wrote:  The guy is truly rich. Worth around $100 million dollars. Do you really think he cares? Okay say you take half his money. He can just make more. He's at a different level. Once you make $50 million or more it's just different.

He should. You don't stay rich for long with that kind of short-term mentality. Ask the pro-athletes.

Quote:Why do you really care?

Because its a visible news story that strikes me as kind of pathetic? Because Kanye is now a punk by his own standards?

Quote:How can someone be an idiot when they are worth $100 more million dollars than you. Do you really think you are smarter than someone who is worth $100 million dollars?

Are you serious? This is a ridiculous argument. Intelligence is not the only way to make shitloads of money. Some make that cash via luck and circumstance (inheritance, presence nearby ancient oil deposits, marriage, etc) while others make it because of raw physical talent and/or skill (athletes, entertainers). Some just look nice (supermodels).

You don't have to have a high IQ to gain massive amounts of wealth. There are multi-millionaires out there with double digit IQs.

Quote:Even if you are he can buy people smarter than you.

That's possible, but that's a long way from merely assuming he is smarter than everyone because he has a lot of money. That's nonsense.

He is more gifted than everyone here. That is what you should be noting.

Quote:Also kanye is alpha belive it or not. She respects him and he calls all the shots. What she wears at events, what jobs she takes. Everything. He also freaks out on paparazzi getting in there space which makes her feel safe and protected. He also leaves her at stretches of a time to follow his mission and get his work done. He even said he doesn't believe in cell phones and she sometimes has no contact with him while he's overseas. He's got the right type of game to keep her straight man.

I hope so, for his sake.

Quote:He's worth $100 million and just impregnanted one of the hottest females on the planet.

Kim Kardashian is one of the most famous females on the planet. She is not necessarily one of the hottest. There are literally tens (perhaps hundreds) of millions of young women with no notoriety whatsoever who are, on a purely physical level, just as appealing if not more so.

Don't fall for the hype machine. She's a very attractive woman, but she is not a world beater.

Quote:Give me your top 5 list and I will show you 5 horrendous pictures of them. That means nothing.

1. Melanie Iglesias
2. Ashley Sky
3. Candace Swanepoel
4. Miracle Watts
5. Victoria Justice

Go.

Quote:Did you see her sex tape? She looked ugly in that too right?

You do understand that that video was created in 2003, right? That was a decade ago.

That's the difference between a woman in her physical prime (23) and a woman just beyond it (33). 23 year old Kim =/= 33 year old Kim. If your opinion of her physical status is based on ten year old evidence like that (and I'm guessing that it is, at least in part), then you my friend are a victim of the hype machine.

Well played, Kim.

Quote:Some of y'all are just haters man. Make your $100 million and marry your world famous female and then by all means talk your crap.

This statement implies that we should envy two things about Kanye:

1. That he is worth $100 million.
2. That he has married a "world famous female".

With regard to the latter point, we are not women. Hypergamy does not apply here. The fact that a woman is "world famous" does not convey her extra points. I do not particularly care to marry a woman who is "world famous" and would not brag about doing so. My goal (and that of the vast majority of men here) is to get with women we find attractive, regardless of how well known she is. The notoriety of a mate is not something to brag about unless you're a female.

With regard to the former point, I do indeed envy $100 million. I do not,, however, envy the prospect of losing the bulk of that future to a 33 year old woman whose main claim to fame is a sex tape she made a decade ago.

Perhaps that idea is more appealing to you. It certainly is more appealing to Kanye.

Respectfully disagree at your last point about hypergamy. There's even a thread on this forum about sleeping with famous women. Plenty of 'regular men' would love to fuck or wife up a hot, rich famous female, but they rarely can. They can't even sniff the same social circles these females are in. But if they somehow did, they WOULD be marrying up and bettering there financial situation at the same time.

Also, it may not be hypergamy for kanye but it's a lot better than marrying a woman worth nothing as far as divorce and child support is concerned. If it even comes to that.

Also all this hate on Kim k like she's ugly. She's still hot and fucks and sucks like a champion. I would love to see pictures of the LTRs of some of these guys hating on Kim. It's just funny to me hearing all this hate that's all. But you know how the saying goes, "don't listen to the boos they always come from the cheap seats."

As alpha men we should be concerned when there is actually something to worry about. Kanye marrying Kim kardashian should be nowhere near cause for concern in the 'manosphere'. It's actually embarrassing in a way. He's a highly successful man who went for his dream and got it. And even marrying some famous slut can't ruin that. Even though some of you think it will. We should commend this guy for making it I think. Whether you like his music or not.

And comparing kanye to an athlete is stupid. Not all athletes are famous and even more aren't even rich by truly rich standards. Also athletes depend on there body and youth to make there money. Kanye could do this for another 10-20 years if he really wanted to. Snoop dog and Nas just turned 50 years old.

Post: #52

I'm not a big fan of Kayne West and might have thought he was an idiot for certain things he has done. But, how another man chooses to spend his money is a personal decision so I can't criticize him for that. Any man busy making his own paper has little time to worry about how another man that he doesn't even know is spending his money.

Post: #53

I don't care for Kanye. If he gets taken for his gold, well he wrote a song about it for his self-fulfilling prophecy.

Post: #54

(10-25-2013 03:25 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 08:56 AM)MidniteSpecial Wrote:  He's worth $100 million and just impregnanted one of the hottest females on the planet.

Seems pretty dignified to me.

First of all, she is not one of the hottest females on the planet. Fame doesn't make a woman pretty, even though sometimes it's nice for the ego to have a famous wife.

This is the most flattering recent photo of her that I've seen; while she is certainly pretty and I wouldn't engage in a "pointy elbows, 2/10 WNB" exercise about her, she's not cream of the crop at all. For a successful middle-class man in his thirties who "dreams about her" because he's being force-fed her "sexyness" through the media, yes. For a world-famous hip-hop superstar worth $ 100 million who could have almost any woman in the world, absolutely not.



Also, she's 33. She can only go downhill from this picture onwards, and no matter how much she takes care of herself the wall is coming. I don't think she has Monica Bellucci's perfect genetics.

As a result of this stupid affair with Kim, there is a large (say, 75%) chance that in 2-3 years Kanye is going to suffer a massive amount of emotional trauma as he pines after the ex that took his child away and alienated it from him, a $ 10-20 million hit to his finances, being dragged through the gutter as "the husband that is watching his ex bang her bodyguards and film porn with them" and an image of weakness and being used (by a slut who has produced absolutely nothing of value in this world, no less) that no amount of money will ever be able to erase.

Is it worth it? I don't know. For some yes, for some no. But I refuse to accept that it is universally worth it. Doing so presupposes that money is the ultimate goal that can compensate for anything, and I don't believe that.

If you offered me 100 million dollars with a guarantee that this would happen to me (or some equivalent - maybe being gang raped by convicts in the prison shower?), I don't think I'd take it. My soul, dignity and peace of mind are worth more than any amount of marginal happiness brought by infinite money. I accept that not everyone would make that choice, but I don't think it's "hating" to acknowledge that there is not an universal answer to that question.

Whoever "hides" behind this nick has just won this month's mvp for most valuable post in a long time ! Point on, dude.

I've seen at least a dozen much more attractive women here with more favorable genetics (bone structure, look at Kim's fat hips - the "assteroid" look is looming) working the cashier and the like.

That this marriage is "epic fail" is guaranteed, but maybe he suffered from rejection from white women as a younger, unknown and more or less poor negro and now wants to compensate for this ?

Post: #55

(10-26-2013 08:11 PM)MidniteSpecial Wrote:  Respectfully disagree at your last point about hypergamy. There's even a thread on this forum about sleeping with famous women. Plenty of 'regular men' would love to fuck or wife up a hot, rich famous female, but they rarely can.

The bold underscores my point. The defining feature of true hypergamy is the emphasis on non-physical triggers of attraction and the ability to prioritize those even in the absence of favorable physical triggers.

This is something that is not commonly displayed by men who, as I mentioned, generally don't choose mates for their status. They choose them for their physical appearance.

Those who envy Kanye's relationship with Kim Kardashian aren't driven by the fact that he is a with a famous woman. It is not the desire to be with a mate that is known to others and has status among them that drives the envy.

What drives them is the fact that he is with a woman that they perceive to be very physically appealing. The fact that she is "world famous" is not particularly relevant and somewhat tangential to their feelings. Her appearance (or reputed appearance/hotness) is what matters, not her fame.

This is why the famous females plenty of the regular men want to get with are generally hot. If the fame, power, social status and wealth were significant/prime factors in and of themselves (as they necessarily are in any instance of true hypergamy), then women like Oprah, Ellen Degeneres and Condoleeza Rice would get just as much attention as Kim Kardashian.

They don't, and that's my point. Men who wish to have sex with hot women who happen to be famous are not displaying true hypergamy due to the limited role that non-physical attraction triggers play in generating and perpetuating their desire.

Quote:Also, it may not be hypergamy for kanye but it's a lot better than marrying a woman worth nothing as far as divorce and child support is concerned. If it even comes to that.

Fair enough.

Quote:Also all this hate on Kim k like she's ugly.

Nobody said she was ugly. People said she just wasn't one of the hottest women on the planet and certainly not one of the hottest women that a man like Kanye West would have access to. That's just a matter of fact.

Quote:She's still hot and fucks and sucks like a champion. I would love to see pictures of the LTRs of some of these guys hating on Kim. It's just funny to me hearing all this hate that's all. But you know how the saying goes, "don't listen to the boos they always come from the cheap seats."

You're sounding a little defensive.

Most men here would be happy with a woman who looks like Kim Kardashian. I said before that there are hundreds of millions of young women out there who look as good or better than her. That still leaves her in the global top 10% or higher, and plenty of men will take that (despite her past).

It is important to note, however, that most men here are not world famous musical prodigies with rumored 9-figure net worths. Kanye is. That is the point people are making.

Quote:Snoop dog and Nas just turned 50 years old.

Nas is 40. Snoop Dogg is 42.

Post: #56

Athlone, you write "...and certainly not one of the hottest women that a man like Kanye West would have access to" . I question that, it brings to mind what Roosh member Distant Light wrote, it was along the lines of sports players and celebs getting blown off by the real hotties !

Post: #57

Athlone is right. If you guys want famous women, why not shag Queen Lizzie? Or what about Kate? She's super super famous? Fcuk dat, I'd rather shag that lizard from DR..the one no one knows..who makes my dyck jump to the ceiling like an animated puppet..famous lizards do nothing for me.

The only thing a famous lizard can do is network me with some opportunities to make paper..so I can access the hotter lizards.

Fame doesn't equal hot to me and it never did to most men.

Post: #58

Here's the url, scroll down for Distant Light's "front report" : /thread-14041-page-7.html

Post: #59

(10-27-2013 07:11 AM)MunichSux Wrote:  Here's the url, scroll down for Distant Light's "front report" : /thread-14041-page-7.html

There's celebreties and then there's celebreties.

Kanye can go into just about any club in the world, sit on a stool and be approached by the hottest women throughout the night without lifting a finger.

Post: #60

(10-27-2013 10:43 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

(10-27-2013 07:11 AM)MunichSux Wrote:  Here's the url, scroll down for Distant Light's "front report" : /thread-14041-page-7.html

There's celebreties and then there's celebreties.

Kanye can go into just about any club in the world, sit on a stool and be approached by the hottest women throughout the night without lifting a finger.

Which shows you think of him as a really hot guy, while obviously some HBs don't. I've been to the american west coast once (Los Angeles, to be specific), in the 1990s ... the calibre of (mostly) white women was incredible. A plastic filled Kim Kardashian with her ueber-sized waist line certainly does not qualify. It cannot possibly be IQ, either.

So I can imagine gorgeous women / "hottest women" don't approach as frequently as you believe. I find "thedude"'s post very enlightening, about this HB 9.5 who gave him thick balls and the guy she was with, /thread-14041-page-5.html

Post: #61

(10-27-2013 10:43 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

(10-27-2013 07:11 AM)MunichSux Wrote:  Here's the url, scroll down for Distant Light's "front report" : /thread-14041-page-7.html

There's celebreties and then there's celebreties.

Kanye can go into just about any club in the world, sit on a stool and be approached by the hottest women throughout the night without lifting a finger.

None would be good enough for him tho. You get that vibe from him that he's one of those extreme creative vegetable betas with sky high standards as a smoke screen to cover their insecurities. He will turn down Latin American models from good backgrounds and settle for strippers and sluts instead. Rationalizing that they are both equal since they are both hot, but low key uses the skank as a cover since he can project superiority over her.

I say this because I used to be that guy. Lol. Kanye can't fool me. He's the pinnacle of the creative beta. I say that as I shared many of the narrsassistic elitist thendacies he has. I've been able to self reflect and fix those defaults but I don't know/think Kanye kas taken that time do so yet.

He orbited Kim K for years, people forget that. He was her "friend" and then in typical beta fashion weaseld his way in when he had that one chance. He put that ass on a pedalstool from day one and now with this, he will pay for it dearly. Betas usually always get burned in the end. They never hook the girl 100% kosher nor always control the frame. Something always gets taken advantage of, and in his case it might be the child or half his wealth (or both) sadly. She will always be sniffing for a upgrade, that is the betas fatal flaw. She will always be sticking her nose (well ... Ass lol) out thier low key for a more adequate alpha dude.

Post: #62

(10-27-2013 11:15 AM)MunichSux Wrote:  

(10-27-2013 10:43 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

(10-27-2013 07:11 AM)MunichSux Wrote:  Here's the url, scroll down for Distant Light's "front report" : /thread-14041-page-7.html

There's celebreties and then there's celebreties.

Kanye can go into just about any club in the world, sit on a stool and be approached by the hottest women throughout the night without lifting a finger.

Which shows you think of him as a really hot guy, while obviously some HBs don't. I've been to the american west coast once (Los Angeles, to be specific), in the 1990s ... the calibre of (mostly) white women was incredible. A plastic filled Kim Kardashian with her ueber-sized waist line certainly does not qualify. It cannot possibly be IQ, either.

This is silly. Kanye is the biggest hip hop star on the planet. It has nothing to do with how hot he is, or what I think of him.

The rest of what you wrote I don't even understand what it has to do with anything. Seeing how new you're here I'd recommend a bit more open-mindedness, lest your stay be short. And why does someone residing in Germany spell the word über as ueber?

Fishy.

Post: #63

(10-27-2013 04:20 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(10-26-2013 08:11 PM)MidniteSpecial Wrote:  Respectfully disagree at your last point about hypergamy. There's even a thread on this forum about sleeping with famous women. Plenty of 'regular men' would love to fuck or wife up a hot, rich famous female, but they rarely can.

The bold underscores my point. The defining feature of true hypergamy is the emphasis on non-physical triggers of attraction and the ability to prioritize those even in the absence of favorable physical triggers.

This is something that is not commonly displayed by men who, as I mentioned, generally don't choose mates for their status. They choose them for their physical appearance.

Those who envy Kanye's relationship with Kim Kardashian aren't driven by the fact that he is a with a famous woman. It is not the desire to be with a mate that is known to others and has status among them that drives the envy.

What drives them is the fact that he is with a woman that they perceive to be very physically appealing. The fact that she is "world famous" is not particularly relevant and somewhat tangential to their feelings. Her appearance (or reputed appearance/hotness) is what matters, not her fame.

This is why the famous females plenty of the regular men want to get with are generally hot. If the fame, power, social status and wealth were significant/prime factors in and of themselves (as they necessarily are in any instance of true hypergamy), then women like Oprah, Ellen Degeneres and Condoleeza Rice would get just as much attention as Kim Kardashian.

They don't, and that's my point. Men who wish to have sex with hot women who happen to be famous are not displaying true hypergamy due to the limited role that non-physical attraction triggers play in generating and perpetuating their desire.

Quote:Also, it may not be hypergamy for kanye but it's a lot better than marrying a woman worth nothing as far as divorce and child support is concerned. If it even comes to that.

Fair enough.

Quote:Also all this hate on Kim k like she's ugly.

Nobody said she was ugly. People said she just wasn't one of the hottest women on the planet and certainly not one of the hottest women that a man like Kanye West would have access to. That's just a matter of fact.

Quote:She's still hot and fucks and sucks like a champion. I would love to see pictures of the LTRs of some of these guys hating on Kim. It's just funny to me hearing all this hate that's all. But you know how the saying goes, "don't listen to the boos they always come from the cheap seats."

You're sounding a little defensive.

Most men here would be happy with a woman who looks like Kim Kardashian. I said before that there are hundreds of millions of young women out there who look as good or better than her. That still leaves her in the global top 10% or higher, and plenty of men will take that (despite her past).

It is important to note, however, that most men here are not world famous musical prodigies with rumored 9-figure net worths. Kanye is. That is the point people are making.

Quote:Snoop dog and Nas just turned 50 years old.

Nas is 40. Snoop Dogg is 42.

Well said. Great points again. Nas doesn't look a day over 30 either it's crazy.

Personally, I would rather be in a long term relationship with a rich 8 than a poor 10. That's just me though.

I probably sound defensive because I have worked for him and am a fan of his.

In real life if you get to be around him he's actually a very eclectic and articulate guy.

I liked him even more after he went on stage and cut off Taylor Swift. Not because of how he did it or what he said, but because all the betas and fem bots hated on him hard after that. Just like they hate on us.

I mean how could anyone red pill not like a guy who writes lyrics like this:

"Let's have a toast for the douchebags,
Let's have a toast for the assholes,
Let's have a toast for the scumbags,
Every one of them that I know
Let's have a toast for the jerkoffs
That'll never take work off
Baby, I got a plan
Run away fast as you can

She find pictures in my email
I sent this bitch a picture of my, dick
I don't know what it is with females
But I'm not too good with that, shit
See, I could have me a good girl
And still be addicted to them hoodrats
And I just blame everything on you
At least you know that's what I'm good at

And I always find
Yeah, I always find
Yeah, I always find somethin' wrong
You been puttin' up with my shit just way too long
I'm so gifted at findin' what I don't like the most"


What don't you guys like about him? I'm trying to see it from both sides and understand it. A lot of my friends hate him too, I don't get what he did. Maybe I am missing something?

Post: #64

KK's face looks effed-up compared to when she was younger. It has that weird characteristic of being of being somewhat attractive but also utterly repulsive at the same time, the hallmark of some kind of cosmetic surgery.

Post: #65

Vicious, it was a polite way of saying that you are not correct in your assesment of him. If the hottest women approached him all night, you think he'd fallen for Kim "I'm all waistline" Kardashian ? I doubt it.

Post: #66

random interjection..
I don't know any Germans that actually say über to begin with in that context.
only Americans say that.

but continue.

Ps.I think kanye is actually pretty beta.just really odd and sees himself as alpha. he had musical and producing talent but he's caught up in the pussy right now

Post: #67

(10-28-2013 04:01 AM)MunichSux Wrote:  Vicious, it was a polite way of saying that you are not correct in your assesment of him. If the hottest women approached him all night, you think he'd fallen for Kim "I'm all waistline" Kardashian ? I doubt it.

Very interesting thought.

We are all assuming that he has a mental defect that causes him to ignore hot (and sweet-natured) women that he could easily have and instead settles for Kim, but it could really be that he has very poor game and isn't as much exposed to hot/sweet-natured women as we think that he is.

I guess that a look at who he has dated in the past and how they met/separated should confirm or dispel that possibility.

Post: #68

(10-25-2013 08:30 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Damn, this is the EXACT replay of the infamous Severina Vučković-Milan Popović episode from the Balkans!



- A rich, famous businessman who could have any woman
- A mediocre, aging celebrity (if looking good for her age) most known for her sex tape
- He gets her pregnant; marriage is announced
- Showers her with gifts, adoration, sappy interviews, villas, cars
- 6 months after the kid is born, she dumps him, says "they're just not compatible"
- She gets 100% custody, he gets 2 days visits' per month and gigantic alimony

Now THAT is a sex tape.

http://www.xvideos.com/video6179/severin...abComments

SUPER NSFW!

Post: #69

(10-28-2013 06:18 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 04:01 AM)MunichSux Wrote:  Vicious, it was a polite way of saying that you are not correct in your assesment of him. If the hottest women approached him all night, you think he'd fallen for Kim "I'm all waistline" Kardashian ? I doubt it.

I guess that a look at who he has dated in the past and how they met/separated should confirm or dispel that possibility.

http://www.whosdatedwho.com/tpx_3279/kan...inghistory

Post: #70

(10-28-2013 04:01 AM)MunichSux Wrote:  Vicious, it was a polite way of saying that you are not correct in your assesment of him. If the hottest women approached him all night, you think he'd fallen for Kim "I'm all waistline" Kardashian ? I doubt it.

Then you know nothing about Kanye or the ego that drives him.

Post: #71

(10-26-2013 04:29 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  1. He's not really much of an intellect.

How are you measuring this?

Understanding music requires intellectualism. His intellect in terms of music seems to be off the charts right?

There are different forms of intellectualism.

(10-26-2013 04:29 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  2. He's not terribly tactful.

We are common men. He is a superstar.

He doesn't have to be as tactful as us. He can actually generate attention, positive and negative by not being tactful. (example: speaking out against george bush may have actually boosted his career)

Superstars live a different reality with different rules

Wasn't it Nietzsche who said that the common men and the elite live by two completely different set of rules, morals, norms, values, attitudes, perceptions..?

He said that the common man shouldn't apply his rules to the elite man who make their own rules.

Kanye doesn't have to be as tactful as us. His wealth and power put him beyond the common notion of tact.

(10-26-2013 04:29 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  3. He comes across as a bit of a braggadocios, cocky douche who talks a bit more than he ought to.

Was wrong with being braggadocious and cocky?

If you can back it up. And, you are a superstar rapper?

I have no problem with cocky if it can be backed up.

I think most men should be cockier. Most of us don't think highly enough of themselves. Better to see yourself as superior rather than inferior.

His self-belief could be part of the reason why he became a superstar. Because he always believed that he was a star.

(10-26-2013 04:29 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  4. He often seems a little unscrewed mentally.

How are you measuring this?

Just your personal sense?

(10-26-2013 04:29 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  5. Does a lot of bitchmade shit (dressing like a girl, a bit overly metrosexual)

He also does some excessive masculine shit like bang some of the hottest women on the planet in mass numbers and dominate the social landscape. As well as being one of the top artists on the planet.

You might think that his fashion sense is "bitchmade" but you also have to acknowledge his masculine achievements.

When I weigh his masculine actions vs his "bitchmade" actions, I think the masculine action wins out.

He has made tens of millions of dollars and bangs as many models as he wants. If he was truly and authentically a "bitchmade" type of dude, he never would have accomplished these things.

(10-26-2013 04:29 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  6. As evidenced by this story, can be a bit of a hypocritical simp.

I don't see any hypocrisy.

The song "Gold Digger" is not necessarily a reflection of Kanyes personal values. It a song. Its not a personal statement that we should view as truth. Rappers are "artists", they are fictitious characters.

Drake raps about "starting from the bottom" but he actually came from the upper middle class. Does this make him a hypocrite? No. He is a fictitious character.

Rappers make songs about killing people when in real life they would run away. Hypocritical? No. It's art. Dark art sometimes but still art.

DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU HEAR IN RAP SONGS

Finally, I don't like Kanye. I don't care for his music except for a few songs. I'm not defending him on a personal level. Im defending rational thought as I felt your criticisms were not intellectually valid.

You know I just enjoy a good debate sometimes.

Post: #72

i think we can all benefit from being a little more like kanye. more spontaneous, more creative, and to think more highly of ourselves

Post: #73

First got wind of Kanye when he attacked Taylor, got on with my life, but now I read here of his apparent musical genius.

Thank you.

Post: #74

(10-25-2013 04:28 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  omg that madonna one totally proves airbrushing is magic.

Wow here is a link to an article about Madonna's nude pics being auctioned. NSFW. I think she was barely legal in these pics.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/26...65044.html

Post: #75

(10-28-2013 06:14 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(10-26-2013 04:29 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  1. He's not really much of an intellect.

How are you measuring this?

Understanding music requires intellectualism. His intellect in terms of music seems to be off the charts right?

There are different forms of intellectualism.

I don't hear any intelligence in his music, but modern software doing all the work. It's all cut and pasted loops, parts sampled from other songs, and cliched effects selected from drop down menus. It's as lazy and effortless as it sounds. His previous overuse of Autotune made sense. Drag and drop. If people want to think that's genius, that's cool, but I suspect his genius requires a laptop in the way Prince wouldn't. Admittedly, I haven't heard the new one.

Also: his arrogance is false. I wouldn't call it confidence, but bluster, as he completely folds when his narcissism is challenged and you see the emotional turmoil that he is hiding. I'd expect high value women to have enough social intelligence to recognise that he's faking mastery, and find him less attractive because of it, because they get tarred by association when he goes full retard in narcissistic fury.