Post: #151

(11-20-2013 08:22 PM)20Nation Wrote:  The thing that bothers me is that he hasn't showed any interest in meeting us, even though we are close by. Instead of just bashing us because of what you think isn't possible why not just meet us and we can show you?

He's lived there for six years. Why would he come to see you? That doesn't seem right. I got on a bus to go pay my respects to him and rover, and was accompanied by txbeachbum. It only right to go visit the guys giving the most accurate information and trying to warn me of the hustle. That's old school respect.

Post: #152

It makes sense what you say Ali, he doesn't need to meet anyone. He already would have a good social circle. If anything people should try to meet him. There really isn't any gain in Patron going to meet anyone as I'm sure he has plenty of friends he can hang out with on any given night plus chicks. Foreigners who aren't living in a country long-term don't have that social circle.

Personally I hope it's only a temporary ban / or it's lifted. I enjoyed his posts and if anyone knows whats up, it's the guy who lives there. I've made a billion mistakes in Cuba. My best asset was a guy I met via another forum who has been going to Havana for nearly 10 years. The guy showed me so many places to go and introduced me to tons of people I'd have never otherwise met. I was happy to always travel out of my way to see him and drinks / dinner was on me as it should be.

Post: #153

(11-20-2013 10:57 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  It makes sense what you say Ali, he doesn't need to meet anyone. He already would have a good social circle. If anything people should try to meet him. There really isn't any gain in Patron going to meet anyone as I'm sure he has plenty of friends he can hang out with on any given night plus chicks. Foreigners who aren't living in a country long-term don't have that social circle.

Personally I hope it's only a temporary ban / or it's lifted. I enjoyed his posts and if anyone knows whats up, it's the guy who lives there. I've made a billion mistakes in Cuba. My best asset was a guy I met via another forum who has been going to Havana for nearly 10 years. The guy showed me so many places to go and introduced me to tons of people I'd have never otherwise met. I was happy to always travel out of my way to see him and drinks / dinner was on me as it should be.

It does NOT seem that any ban would be based on whether or NOT a guy meets or refuses to meet other guys - I have heard about a couple of examples of that.. he he he; however, if it is the case that Patron was engaging in a pattern to overly criticize and put down RVF guys then maybe a warning or even a ban would have been warranted...

Of course, even if we do NOT understand, know or even agree with the ban, mods and admin retain discretion to make those calls of balls and strikes and even the level to which they disclose the exact reasons, but then it could cause resentment among the members if the ban seems to have been based on a real narrow set of reasons.

Post: #154

Hey 20, has it occurred to you that Patron might not like the way you come off as an arrogant prick and that's why he doesn't want to go meet you when he's the resident there?

I'm disappointed about this ban. Patron was cool as hell.

Post: #155

Roosh already said he was banned based on his criticism of other members. I realize he suggested that people move out of zona colonial more than a few times and then perhaps criticized a little too hard. But atleast he awared the forum of his opinions. It's better that he state his opinion and let everyone know what is up then for everyone to be left out to dry and assume that pussy falls from the sky anywhere in Santo Domingo. Personally, I found that patron was a great poster.

Post: #156

I'd like to add some perspective on patron's input in this thread.

There is a level of segregation in the DR that is far beyond anything I've seen in the US. Like much of the third world, the DR has no middle class. A Dominican is either well-to-do, or barrio. When referring to a person as "barrio", it's not meant as an insult, it's merely terming them as what they are. I've hung out in some true barrios with a guy from the peace corps and he showed me what it's really like. For example, a barrio person will never have the opportunity to attend a university, no matter how intelligent they are. They'll never work at a bank, in a nice shopping mall, or anywhere where they have to greet well-to-do people, because a well-to-do dominican doesn't want to touch the hand of a barrio person. I've banged multiple barrio girls in Santiago who have never seen the beach, yet the beach is only 45 minutes a way and a bus there is 100 pesos (less than $2.50) The barrio girl I banged who I posted the picture gyrating her ass doesn't have a phone, even though you can get a used burner phone for 300 pesos. Most barrio shacks don't have refrigerators, and absolutely none have hot water. If you go to a barrio at 2 in the afternoon, it'll be full of people in the street. If you go on a Saturday night, you'll see the same people. The reason is many barrio people don't work, because there is limited work for barrio people. The barrio people that do work make on average 5000 pesos ($115) a month. On that budget all a barrio person can eat is rice, beans, and maybe a couple types of fruit from trees that grow in their barrio. Due to their shitty diet, lack of cosmetics, complete lack of medical care, and use of hand-me-down clothing they have very little shot of being attractive (7 or above). The few that hit the genetic lottery get set up by their parents before they're 18.

The other problem facing barrio people is skin color. Well-to-do dominicans have a saying "no voy a danar mi raza" which means I'm not going to pollute my race. Given that barrio people are predominantly dark (and barrio), chances are slim for the average barrio girl to marry a well-to-do dominican man. This is the reason why sites like badoo and dominicancupid are littered with barrio girls, as getting hitched with a foreigner is their ticket out of the barrio.

Well-to-do dominican girls between 18-25 are very similar to their upper middle class equivalent in the US. They attend university, speak English, and generally have a job lined up for them by their father or other family patriarch. They're not concerned with marriage till they hit their late 20s. They wear imported clothes, have cars, and have many SWPL traits that we denounce on this forum (iphones/facebook/instagram). Students live in a mirage which dictates that their university degree makes them invincible.

Well-to-do dominicans also have access to the US. Many have family in the US, and spend their weekends partying in Cabarete, Punta Cana, and Puerto Plata where most of the tourists are. Therefore, white people don't add any exotic appeal to well-to-do dominicans. In fact, there may be some negatives because many of the US/Euro tourists that hot dominicans run into on the beach are drunk idiots with no game who proposition them once they get blown out as they assume all dominicans are hookers.

The point is, the notion of "DR Game" is an oxymoron. Barrio vs well-to-do is an apples/oranges comparison. In looking at the pics on STW it's clear that 20N's romp was of barrio girls, and there's nothing wrong with that. I think 20N's numbers are incredible, no matter what kind of girls they are, fuckin phenomenal. Even if the girls are easy, the fact that 20N is doing this without a car, and is actually able to get girls who are dumb as doorknobs to follow a schedule, is remarkable. Put me on the waitlist for the release of his online game book.

I don't think anyone's intent was to evolve the thread into a 20N vs patron debate. 20Ns focus is on numbers, and patron's is on quality. As men on the prowl, I'm sure we all vacillate between achieving numbers vs attaining quality. 20N has stated he has a limited bankroll and therefore has shitty logistics, while patron's logistics extend up to the beach condos he owns. Everyone goes on barrio romps when they first get here, but patron's been here six years. Obviously his goals are going to be different than they were when he arrived.

Anyway, here's to hoping patron gets unbanned. In the meantime, 20N hit me up if you're still around, we'll hit the clubs and have a blast.

Post: #157

(11-20-2013 11:23 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  Roosh already said he was banned based on his criticism of other members. I realize he suggested that people move out of zona colonial more than a few times and then perhaps criticized a little too hard. But atleast he awared the forum of his opinions. It's better that he state his opinion and let everyone know what is up then for everyone to be left out to dry and assume that pussy falls from the sky anywhere in Santo Domingo. Personally, I found that patron was a great poster.

I think the point that bothers several members, including me, is that the rational that was provided seems to be based on ONLY one post.

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Post: #158

(11-20-2013 09:25 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  @ 20 the dude lives there and knows better. I didnt say it but I know better as well. Now. I know for a fact if you stay around gazque and are sociable you will pull better quality girls than you can from badoo etc. It is fact! I'm talking about girls who are not online and going to show up in the CZ. It would be more believable that you guys were pulling steady quality if we didn't already know better that once you have boots on the ground in the DR and continue to date online your quality goes - 2 points then leave the CZ goes up two more.

So. No hate but what you guys are doing go against what all of us have learned from actual experience. I'll take online dates as an easy lay up but the actual quality is on the ground working in pharmacies etc.

About Patron.. He was the most solid American contact we had there living. This is really a sad day for the RVF

Of course you will get better quality if you go day game around a rich area. I never said that you would get better quality online. However, saying that every girl I'm with has 3 kids and fucks everyone in their barrio? Even if most of them are barrio girls, there are still young hot barrio girls that I have enjoyed. Then of course some of them aren't barrio girls at all. And I'm not here looking for a girlfriend.

Post: #159

Honestly though I don't think it deserves a ban either. He has offered me help a couple times, maybe something I said got to him. I just wish he would have pm'd me instead.

Post: #160

Unless there was something more than what I saw in this thread, I don't think he deserved the ban. If he was a new member who came out being a prick, then sure. But he's been around for a while and dropped a lot of good intel. I've said similar stuff to new members in regards to Thailand. Even harsher stuff, actually.

I'm sure there was a lot of truth in what he said because it matches my experience here in BKK. DR and Thailand have a lot of similarities between the upper class girls being tough to crack and a negative connotation being seen with a foreigner, especially one who doesn't live here, and with the barrio/Isaan chicks who seem to be clones of each other.

I think patron should be brought back. Great source of info for the DR, especially for people who want to live there and target higher class girls.

Post: #161

I think the forum has spoken, but I doubt Roosh will remove the ban, he seems very stubborn in these matters. I do believe that one member (Midnite Special or Cupcake) has been unbanned, but it's a rarity.

Post: #162

There's a fine line between hating and offering crticism. I have to agree that patron should not have been banned. Warning would have been sufficient. At the very least he needs more leeway because members have met him and he offers accurate real intel about a place people care about.

Post: #163

(11-20-2013 10:26 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  It's bull fucking shit. Warning @ whatever % then suspended for 7 days from posting. I pmed Tuth and Roosh without any courtesy back my way about this.

@ Roosh and Tuth.. Thanks for the non feedback and blowing me off. We just lost a soldier on the ground giving us solid intel on a place where men are actually men.

It takes them a few days to a week to respond to PMs. I doubt they're just ignoring you.

Post: #164

This thread is red hot.

Post: #165

   

Something doesn't add up for the DR. Is it a rose garden?

Post: #166

(11-21-2013 12:16 AM)Enigma Wrote:  It takes them a few days to a week to respond to PMs. I doubt they're just ignoring you.

This.

We know that both Roosh and Tuthmosis have a lot going on right now. ROK is blowing up since Tuth's article went viral.

Plus there's always real life stuff to do. Work to take care of, leisure time, girls to bang.

Hopefully there's a way to ask Roosh to reconsider on the ban and change it to a warning. If it takes them a few days to get to it, no big deal.

Post: #167

(11-20-2013 11:53 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  Unless there was something more than what I saw in this thread, I don't think he deserved the ban. If he was a new member who came out being a prick, then sure. But he's been around for a while and dropped a lot of good intel. I've said similar stuff to new members in regards to Thailand. Even harsher stuff, actually.

I'm sure there was a lot of truth in what he said because it matches my experience here in BKK. DR and Thailand have a lot of similarities between the upper class girls being tough to crack and a negative connotation being seen with a foreigner, especially one who doesn't live here, and with the barrio/Isaan chicks who seem to be clones of each other.

I think patron should be brought back. Great source of info for the DR, especially for people who want to live there and target higher class girls.

I agree to a certain extent but for us "short stay" travelers, barrio girls can be a better practical choice, especially if she looks good. I can understand the members who travel and stay at a location for several weeks.

Me?...I have the regular 9-5 job which gives me quite a bit of leftover money (even after mortgage, luxury car, private school payments) to use my vacation for short vacations. Those High-Class chicks are not going to crack in 5 days when I can get the prettiest barrio chick (As ya'll know, my approach is beta-provider anyway) in drop panties in 5 hours.

So both "targets" are needed and neither should be dissed.

Post: #168

Roosh, come on man. You over-reacted. Do the right thing and make things right. Patron's comment that you cited was over the top, but even 20nation said he shouldn't be banned. That should be enough for you. We're among friends here and these types of these happen sometimes. It's not a big deal.

It's your website and you're the boss, but bend a little on this one. You're hurting yourself if play the boss card and make us feel like our opinions don't even matter. We're not asking that this be a democracy, but we collectively we should at least be heard sometimes. Be rigid with feminists, not your friends. I have no doubt that if patron and 20nation met they'd be cool with each other.

How many asshole comments by that prosal guy were allowed before he was banned?... and he was a true asshole. Patron and his history here deserves more leeway than prosal.

Post: #169

I also have to say, I think the ban was a bit harsh. I see much worse stuff written almost daily around here. Sometimes things can get a little heated, people just need time to cool down. I think a warning would have been propper. Patron was posting quality stuff. I don't know that I agree 100% with what he said, but I don't think he should have been banned for it. I feel if he was given a warning he would have cooled down.

Post: #170

Roosh's explanation for Patron's ban:

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I think it's bullshit. We have guys here that have said far worse, but because they have more rep points or whatever they get to walk.

This is a god damn shame.

Post: #171

The DR is one of the worst places I've ever been. Everyone is out to take a piece of you. At least in Iraq and Afghanistan we knew who to point a weapon at. Down there when you find an honest man you cling to them like a rock. Because of that lifelong friendships are forged. Patron, Fisto, Emech, Rover, Elabayrde, txbeachbum, aren't my friends, they are my brothers. This is why the emotional response to the banning of patron. A brother was lost. We survived that shithole and are stronger to tell the tale. And the accounts of this thread are offensive, cause as hardened as we are, it doesn't add up.

Post: #172

(11-21-2013 10:32 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  The DR is one of the worst places I've ever been. Everyone is out to take a piece of you. At least in Iraq and Afghanistan we knew who to point a weapon at. Down there when you find an honest man you cling to them like a rock. Because of that lifelong friendships are forged. Patron, Fisto, Emech, Rover, Elabayrde, txbeachbum, aren't my friends, they are my brothers. This is why the emotional response to the banning of patron. A brother was lost. We survived that shithole and are stronger to tell the tale. And the accounts of this thread are offensive, cause as hardened as we are, it doesn't add up.

Sounds like the making of a Hollywood bromance movie.

Post: #173

Dude seemed to like putting down other guys taste in women, the women might not be my taste but to each is own.
He has the luxury of living there and the biggest luxury of time.
Bolt house assessment of the place is spot on!

Post: #174

I never met Patron, but I was hoping to meet him when I get back to Rep Dom, I lived in Santo Domingo for a year, but never explored the North parts of Rep Dom where he is, and I wanted to get some heavy intel.

Post: #175

Well...

I have seen this before on other DR (or Costa Rica) boards when natives are on the same board as "foreign conquerers". Usually, there will be some emotional shots given.