Post: #1

Two years ago when I got into Game and joined this site I was seeking the answers to three questions:

1. What did I do when I was younger that was so effective at getting the women I wanted? I didn’t know Game and I certainly didn’t use it. I actually did many things the Game manuals will tell you not to do. I would call girls whenever I wanted and say whatever I wanted. I never neged them. I wrote them love letters and poetry. I was a romantic.

2. Was there such a thing as a gaming shortcut or a universal game strategy. I have read a lot of books about game. Many of them have similar core principles e.g. be confident. But they also differ when it came to specific approaches and tactics. The overriding thing they all shared was a high level of complexity. There was no way I could remember all of this stuff. Plus you need different game for different places, different countries, different women – all very complicated. I hate complexity – my job in the real world is the reduction of it. I was going to bring my skills as an analyst to bear on this vexing problem.

3. Women are changing – another variable. What kind of game would work best with modern women.

As life would have it, the answer to the first question turned out to also be the answer to the other two. It took me long time to remember how I was and what I did when I was young. Primarily, because I never thought about it. But basically, all I did was express my desire for a girl in very confident and unapologetic manner. It’s the equivalent of walking up to a girl with her friends and telling her directly: “I want you.” It requires a level of confidence and machismo that very few men have today. But guess what, every guy I have met, (including a few from this forum) that get a lot of girls, have this ability to a high degree - certainly far above the average guy.

The SUM TOTAL of my GAME when I was younger was simply picking girls I was extremely attracted to and then pursuing them relentlessly. I didn’t try to hide my intentions or shade anything in any way. But that does not mean I ever lost control. I was always in control. At no point was I ever willing to sacrifice my dignity for any woman. I was also very sexual and I was comfortable in my sexuality. I didn’t get all of the girls I went after but I certainly got quite a few and these were all top-self girls. Even now, these girls set a standard that is difficult to match – especially given the low quality of girls here in the US. That’s was the sum total of my gaming skills. And guess what? This worked across all races, age groups, cultures, religion, you name it. In essence it was UNIVERSAL in its appeal. There wasn’t a woman anywhere in the world that did not respond to being desired in a forceful manner. BUT this is inherently different than a certain type of game I called shotgun game. It simply cannot be applied in mass numbers because you cannot desire a lot of girls to the degree that is required. If I find one girl I desire enough when I go out, on any given night, I consider myself lucky. Most of these girls were part of my social or work life. They were either in my school, they hung out in places I go to, or I worked with them in some capacity. In short, I had indirect access to them on a somewhat regular basis. Even if you don’t, it can still work, if you get good at communicating via email and/or phone. Back then and today, my chances of getting any given girls is directly related to how much I want her. The more I want her, the higher my chances are of getting her. Now, my biggest problem is not getting a girl, it’s actually wanting her. Here in the US, I find so few girls that I actually want.

And when it comes to SNL it has also been the same. Every SNL I have gotten was with a girl I really wanted and went after with deadly intentions. And every time I have failed it was because my desire just wasn’t strong enough. It’s a real struggle for me to find a girl I can really desire here in the US BUT when I do find one, I have a very high chance of bringing her down. My failure here in the US is more a failure of desire than of competence. For this approach to work, you have to desire the woman to a very high degree. So much so, that she becomes your focus and everything else ceases to exist. When you look at her, she will see this, and when a woman can feel this, there is nothing more seductive to her in the world.

A high desire + the confidence and will to express it, almost forcefully, is the key to what I consider to be my Universal Game. If I can do this, I can practically ignore ALL gaming advice, and my chances of success will still be very high. This is what works for me. I don’t know of any other way of getting a woman. Every time I use any of the gaming advice I have read, I fail and I fail miserably. Maybe it’s because I come across as insincere. Sincerity is a powerful thing and when you are really attracted to a woman, your behavior, your actions, everything will reek of sincerity. You won’t be able to be anything but sincere.

And now, we come to the modern woman and what she wants. Women intrinsically want to be dominated – it’s in their nature. But as women become more and more powerful the type of man capable of doing this becomes less and less available to them. The women today compared to the women of just 20 years ago is like a tiger to a pussy cat. Any man could dominate a pussy cat but it takes a whole different caliber of men to dominate a tiger. A woman wants to submit, we all want to submit to someone BUT we want to submit to someone we respect and admire. Men, especially here in the US, are no longer respected and certainly not admired. They are the laughing stock of TV shows and movies. Unfortunately, there is no shortcut here. The simple truth is: most men will never attain the level of confidence required to obtain the submission of most women today and all the game in the world is not going to change that. Even with Game, most men, are simply not willing to devote the time and energy necessary to become proficient at it. They would rather play golf, video games, poker, tennis, than play with women. This is the simple but brutal truth. So what kind of game works best with these powerful women? The exact same thing. If anything they are more susceptible to it than previous generations because it is something they experience so infrequently. When I apply this exact approach with these modern, corporate MBA, man killing types, the effect is even more powerful than on a regular girl – simply because very few men dare to ever use it on them.

I have tested this across continents, ages, races, cultures, languages, and various levels of beauty and it is the one thing that has always worked for me. It is the only thing I have found that has the power to cut across and through all of the factors when it comes to getting women. It is what worked for me years ago and it is what works for me now. For that matter, it is the only things that has ever worked for me. So, my journey of discovery is over. I don’t plan on reading any more game books or articles except for entertainment. My intention is simply to focus on one thing: become the man that expresses his desire for a woman without any shame, excuses, or games. If I can do this, history has proven to me, I will get the women I want - it's really that simple.

Post: #2

I'm going to test out your theory of desire and success.

On a typical night out I might rack up one or two dozen approaches - but what motivation drives this?

The prospect of a ONS. But in all honesty, it doesn't matter to me which of those girls it could be with. If I approached her she passed the boner test and is most of the time a cute girl.

I don't desire her. She's just another approach number.

Maybe I will do less approaches. This will be because instead of immediately approaching a girl after I notice her on the dance floor, I might take a minute or two to casually assess her. Is she my preferred body type? Is she at my favoured height? Is she in the moment or closing herself off to everyone but her friends?

How do you get in touch with this 'desire' Nomad? I'm interested in the idea.

Post: #3

Let me tell you the story of the girl that taught me this. I was a lowly part-time sales person in a department store. Kara was a manufacturer rep and every guy wanted her. She was the No.1 girl in that store without any question. Hell, she was the top girl in a lot of stores. I never thought I could get ever get her, after all, she could have any guy she wanted. Why would she choose me? But then something happened, we when out with a group of people after work one day and she was part of the group. At one point, she ended up talking to me intently and I got the impression she was interested in me. I was delirious with excitement and I proceeded to pursue her. I did all of the things a typical guy would do and while she was nice in her rejection she did reject me. Of course, the fact that she was married only made things more difficult. Then one day, when I was exhausted and about to gave up, she came and stood in front me - I was sitting down. And she asked me directly: "What do you want? What do you want from me?" I sat there dumbfounded, I didn't know what to say, so I said the only thing I actually really knew: I said, "I want you." And that was it. She look at me intently then walked out. A few days later, my phone rang, it was her. And thus began one of the most educational and enthralling affairs of my life. All she ever wanted me to do, all she wanted any man to do, was to simply take her.

Post: #4

Well said, Nomad. Mark Manson takes a similar approach in his book "Models".

Post: #5

Well put. +1. I especially like your points emphasizing sincerity, congruence, and quality over quantity. Good stuff.

Post: #6

Thanks. Yes, this is not an approach to use for getting a lot of women or just sex. This is about creating deeper relationships with quality women - which has always been my personal preference.

Post: #7

I think you may be a little off in calling this "Universal Game" (I doubt if such a thing exists), but there is definitely power in conveying your unbridled desire for a chick directly to her with no apology or fear.

And that last part is really the key. You can't be ashamed or fearful about it at all, or else it will blow up in your face and you will come across as "creepy" or desperate. It really takes a solid frame to make this work. This tactic works by basically overloading the girl's defenses with your pure desire for her. If done correctly she temporarily feels like the most desirable woman in the world. You put her on a high. She doesn't know how to respond to being so desired except to submit to you. It's almost as if you create a sort of obligation for her to submit to your advances based on the intensity of your desire. You convey this utterly primal need to possess her, and she finds that feeling so intoxicating and powerful that she can't resist it.

I have also used this approach in the past when I was younger, not really understanding its power (or intentionally trying to game). In fact, I really didn't even think about it or analyze it until I read your post. It really is good shit. I will try to consciously use this tactic and see what kind of response I get when coupled with the frame control and experience I've gained from my years in the game since. I think it could have real potential. Hell, maybe it could be Universal Game!

Good post. Got me thinking in new directions, always a valuable thing.

Post: #8

Now the real question is: how do you fake such sincere desire? lol

To be frank, I very very rarely run into a woman that I have such genuine desire for (boner test doesn't count), in my country at least. I always feel like, in the majority of my interactions with women, I half arse the game since I don't desire them that much.

Post: #9

@Scorpion You are correct. This is exactly what it does. And actually learning game can screw you up because it makes you second guess yourself. What I have been doing for the last few years is actually unlearn things. All of this game stuff just gets in the way. The moment you start second guessing yourself you are setting yourself up for failure. This is also the easiest type of game there is but also the hardest: brutal honesty.

Post: #10

Again Nomad77 makes a nice redundant thread:

Women want to be dominated.

You could have erased the first several paragraphs and just put that in the title.. but, there are already many threads that you could have posted this to.

I think that you are in an attention need. I get this sometimes. You seem very fragile, like you were born with a silverspoon, but have failed. That's ok, I feel that way too sometimes, but you need to build out of relying on your looks to get girls.

You probably don't trust your looks- almost all of your threads are pointing to your looks as your main game. I think you should chill out, recognize that you have an advantage, and you don't need to get into game as much as you think.

I think you've already got everything you need, but are lacking in confidence. You can get high quality women, but they leave you because of this. You don't need pick-up parlour tricks. You don't need to be slumming it with 5-7s.

You could be getting much higher quality women like you've mentioned, but something else is bothering you and that's why they don't stick around.

I think you want to have a simple life and beautiful kids and a great place to live etc.

I don't think you need to be posting on a player forum.

Post: #11

Ah, it wouldn't have been the same without a rebuttal from you soup Somehow, this makes it just right. But I do want to address some of the points you have made mainly because they are incorrect.

1. This thread is not about dominating women. I never dominated Kara - I wouldn't even have known how. IT IS about expressing your desire in an honest and open manner as Scorpion stated.

2. Regarding my suppose looks... I am a 5' 7", 150 lbs, mixed sort of Asian looking guy. The only women that sort of find me attractive are Northern European women and that's primary because of my brown skin. A friend of mind told me to get on this tinder app because he was picking up women left and right. Do you know how many women I have matched with on that app? Try ZERO. Yep, not a single woman have picked me on that app and I have been on there for over a week now. So, no, the facts don't support your claim that I am getting women because of my looks. BUT, I do have an advantage and it is a very big one, I think: I love women. I love everything about them. While I may bitch and groan about American women. The moment I leave this country I fall in love with them again. And while other men love hunting, fishing, video games, and sports. My only passion in life are women. I don't love fucking them, I don't love dominating them, I love them for who they are. And IF I have an advantage I believe this is it. Animals can tell when people love them and women can too.

3. Actually, the women I do get rarely leave me. Even when they get married, they still remain in contact with me. You may want sex from women BUT I want something completely different - I want their love and I want it forever. I really don't care about getting sex from women, I want to be loved by them. I think every man wants this, including you, they just don't realize it. You can fuck 100 women and still feel empty inside. But when you are loved by even one woman it gives you something that no amount of sex ever will. Men today, have traded love for sex, and I think this is not only a very poor trade but an inherently damaging one.

There is also the issue of what you give to the world. I don't break women down, I don't feel they are an enemy to be attacked. I build them up. I want to have a positive influence in their life. I want to have a positive influence in everyone's life. I live by a very simple rule: try to leave the things and the people you meet just a little better than you found them and the world will be a better place.

And finally, as the name of this post implies, I don't plan on making many new threads. (Which should make you happy.) Because I simply don't have anything else to say. This is it. It is all I know. It is all I ever really knew.

Post: #12

I think the difference in your desire here from that of regular guys is obviously status as a high value man.

The beta guys always crush on girls and never get them. A girl likes the attention, and doesn't want to hurt their feelings, so she lets them off easy, LJBF.

But on the otherhand if an alpha is crushing on a girl, it is different. She finds ways to qualify to you. She apologizes for texting back late.

Nomad this works for you because you've developed an alpha vibe. It's what a lot of us here have/aim to have and maintain most of the time.

Post: #13

This is true. I do consider myself to be of high value and once a guy I was helping out asked how did I get to be that way. I had to think about it for awhile but what I realized was my sense of value came from my early success with women like Kara. These women were of high quality and I based my sense of self worth on them. Even now, I look at a girl and think, she has got to be joking, she isn't half the woman Kara was. But those early women also set a standard that has been difficult to constantly meet much less exceed.

Post: #14

(10-24-2013 09:04 AM)Nascimento Wrote:  The beta guys always crush on girls and never get them. A girl likes the attention, and doesn't want to hurt their feelings, so she lets them off easy, LJBF.

I know a dude that has been pursuing this chick doggedly for years. They're getting married next month.

If we only count good game as "getting the girl", lots of Beta game has worked for plenty of Betas.

The problem with Beta game
- the upfront cost to the Beta - time, energy, effort, money and worry on this 1 chick
- opportunity cost to the Beta - Not pursuing chicks that would have been feeling him
- the massive back end cost to the Beta - He "gets" the girl only in the beta/provider sense. Sure he may fuck her, but he's not her 1st choice. And even if he doesn't realize that, she does. And she controls the pace and tenor of the relationship.

I think on this forum, good game isn't just about fucking chicks.

You could sweet talk the right kind of fatty and have her sucking dick while she makes you a batch of chocolate chip cookies. You could probably do the beta/provider steez better than the beta, because you'd be more efficient in finding chicks looking for that shit.

But the impression i'm getting and have always gotten from this forum, is that good game means whatever relationship you have with a chick is ON YOUR TERMS. Not on hers. Sex when you want it. Sex at your pleasure. Affection and companionship the way you like it. You only take on obligations that you enjoy.

If you don't want to go to Linens and Things cause they got a special on immersion blenders, you don't go. And if she throws a fit and withdraws or tries to punish you - 1) it doesn't bother you, 2) you have other bitches, 3) and you have the ability to get other bitches.

So back to my example above, the dude who spent years trying to land this piece of ass, who has the power in the relationship?

He got the girl, but at what cost?

WIA

Post: #15

Nomad, give up on trying to make things better for women.

They live a life where things can be great for them in the early twenties, but everything goes down hill if they haven't had kids by their thirties.

There's nothing you can do about that.

The most you can do to help them is to give them a great memory to look back on when they are old an withered, or give them a child.

Post: #16

I like that she wears her wedding band in the photo LOL.

Post: #17

Good timing for this thread!

There is such thing as universal game. It's called reading people and adjusting yourself and frame for the crowd you're around.

A lot of girls in my friend circle were intimidated by my behavior around my girl at the time. They all didn't think they could keep up with me. Little did they realize how adaptable I am. I can play asshole game, prince charming game, business man game, whatever you want to call it.

All it takes is a confident opener and then slowly calibrate yourself using the stereotypes you have built up in your mind. Sometimes I fail, but the more aware I am of what constitutes IOIs in any situation I can play ball if I girl smiles and looks down.

I used to do the same thing. I was a master at romance before I discovered game. I was and still am a lover and swoop girls up in the romantic twist of it all. I love women, I love making them laugh, giggle, and smile.

Reframe for your crowd. It's a lot like acting. You all can do it and I hope that one day this type of stuff will be taught to boys so they'll never have to figure this out on their own.

Post: #18

@ WIA,

I agree. I should have specified, but it's obviously true beta guys get the girls.

I find that often it's guy who is good looking and settling for a relationship with a girl that is much less of physical value than him. In the case of guys in relationships with good looking girls, often times they might not have the power in the relationship like they should. Maybe they only have sex on the girl's terms. Maybe he goes shopping with her when he doesn't want to just because she asks and he ends up buying her something when he knew he couldn't spend the money.

The definition of getting a girl should be one where she meets the man's physical standards and he has the power in the relationship. Any thing otherwise and she is the one getting you. The one who is in control is always the one who has more options and more value.

Post: #19

@ Nomad,

I think it's great you've been able to draw value from a relationship with what you deem is a quality girl. Maybe I will be able to draw value from that in the near future as well. I think there are many ways to draw value from external sources that in turn raise your own intrinsic value, making you more attractive.

Obviously sources include a satisfying and well paying career, athletic endeavours and achievements, extensive travel and life experience and so forth.

I think it's important to expose yourself to as many areas that you can develop in and hence increase your value as possible. I've noticed that over the past year as I have made huge changes in my own life my perspective towards girls has started to change. After a day approach I find myself thinking about things I noticed about her I didn't like that weren't clear to me before I approached. I find myself being critical of a certain way the girl behaved. If the approach was successful and since she does pass the boner text I do shoot her a text and try to plan a meet up, but at one small conflict in schedule I just forget about it and move on to another prospect, even if there aren't any at that moment.

I'm still making efforts to get laid, but the more I realize the value I possess and develop, why should I go through trouble if the girl isn't fully meeting my standards and worth it? I realize she can't invest in me yet because there hasn't been enough time between us but I'm not going to make extra effort and change up my schedule just for her.

A quick example;

Last week I got a number after a solid day interaction that lasted about 15 minutes or so. Texted her this sunday, setting plans to hang out on Tuesday. When Tuesday came around, instead of trying a comfortable public meetup which I felt was very likely, I opted for a riskier meet up at my place. It was the evening, and I tried the zero date bang recipe here: /thread-28403....=zero+date

This has gotten a girl I met during the day to come over in the past, so I felt comfortable with it. Besides, I do like the text 'hey, want to come by my place for a drink around 8, i've got some new recipes'

She replied with 'hey, thanks for the invite but i don't know you well enough to go to your house'

I felt relieved. Obviously if she came over I would have made 100% effort to bang, but because she didn't I was ready to drop her. I didn't like her enough to make the extra effort.

Post: #20

I do want to clarify something. I actually use both regular game and this universal game I mentioned here. I use regular game on girls I am not that attracted to. I use it for fun. Like today, I was in a Starbucks and approached like six girls just for fun. BUT when I see a girl that I am really interested I don't use regular game, I switch to this universal game style.

Here is what I found from those six approaches. Out of those six girls one was from Ukraine and one from France the other four Americans. I only gave my card to the foreign girls. Talking to the American girls was more irritating than enjoyable. The French girl was wonderful, I love that French accent. On all of these girls, I just use regular game, light, funny interactions. It's definitely harder for me to get sexual under regular game. Whereas in universal game mode its easy.

Post: #21

Someone wanted to know earlier if you can fake this? The hardest thing to fake is desire. Besides, why would you want to?