Post: #51

Honestly though the OP is more beta than my 6 year old daughter if this is a real story. Either way I'm entertained or maybe pissed off.

Post: #52

(11-16-2013 10:20 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Honestly though the OP is more beta than my 6 year old daughter if this is a real story. Either way I'm entertained or maybe pissed off.

Actually, if we have a real good idea that we are being taken for a ride, but we are NOT quite sure, then we do NOT know how to react...

We would be pissed off, if a guy or girl is just causing us to go through some meaningless thought experiment; however, we are entertained while we are going through such thought experiment b/c we do NOT really realize that we are being duped.

In my short tenure being involved in RVF, I have already noticed several of these kinds of threads that border on the unreal.. maybe they are true and maybe they are NOT? Sometimes guys provide specifics, and sometimes they do NOT, and what amazes me, is that no matter what other guys say, some guys will just stay on their previously planned path, so I wonder, why did they ask us in the first place?

Though, I also know from some experiences in real life that sometimes the truth and reality can be more entertaining, complicated and seemingly unbelievable than fiction. I know that from life experiences and my line of work.... b/c sometimes when you get into finding out the details of what some people do or what has happened to them, it can be quite an amazing set of facts and a complicated weave of circumstances - like as if we are all live in a "perfect storm" in order to come to our situations. hehehe.

Post: #53

yep, like someone said earlier, this whole thing reads like a PUA bootcamp commercial.

Post: #54

^ If the story is real it's an awesome journey but if not it's some very gay spam and when I fly to the UK I will look them up.

As for the OP.. You seem to have a habit of betting against yourself by staying in hostels and you said your trainers are lopped in a small place. Penny smart pound foolish??

I go for the win with accommodations and the pull comes knowing where to invest from the jump.

Post: #55

(11-16-2013 10:46 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  ^ If the story is real it's an awesome journey but if not it's some very gay spam and when I fly to the UK I will look them up.

As for the OP.. You seem to have a habit of betting against yourself by staying in hostels and you said your trainers are lopped in a small place. Penny smart pound foolish??

I go for the win with accommodations and the pull comes knowing where to invest from the jump.

I would think that if a guy has $3000 to drop for a bootcamp, then he could use some of that for some decent lodging, even at $70 to $100 a day, at least you have your own room rather than sharing with a bunch of guys in a hostel.

Post: #56

(11-16-2013 10:54 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 10:46 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  ^ If the story is real it's an awesome journey but if not it's some very gay spam and when I fly to the UK I will look them up.

As for the OP.. You seem to have a habit of betting against yourself by staying in hostels and you said your trainers are lopped in a small place. Penny smart pound foolish??

I go for the win with accommodations and the pull comes knowing where to invest from the jump.

I would think that if a guy has $3000 to drop for a bootcamp, then he could use some of that for some decent lodging, even at $70 to $100 a day, at least you have your own room rather than sharing with a bunch of guys in a hostel.

wait he paid $3000 dollars?

Post: #57

(11-16-2013 10:55 PM)pheonix500000 Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 10:54 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 10:46 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  ^ If the story is real it's an awesome journey but if not it's some very gay spam and when I fly to the UK I will look them up.

As for the OP.. You seem to have a habit of betting against yourself by staying in hostels and you said your trainers are lopped in a small place. Penny smart pound foolish??

I go for the win with accommodations and the pull comes knowing where to invest from the jump.

I would think that if a guy has $3000 to drop for a bootcamp, then he could use some of that for some decent lodging, even at $70 to $100 a day, at least you have your own room rather than sharing with a bunch of guys in a hostel.

wait he paid $3000 dollars?

That may be the price for everything, including travel, but that was the number that he was using when he started this thread - which was causing several guys to recommend that he just go to SEA, EE or Latin America and meet some willing girls for that same price (and who needs a bootcamp, if you have live DTF girls in your surroundings).

Maybe OP can break this down some more b/c one thing is estimating, and another thing is how much it actually costs after you go through with it.. .usually people will underestimate the costs of travel. So, we may need an update to how the costs played out?

Post: #58

(11-16-2013 09:52 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 09:12 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 08:52 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Are you serious?

You need to run some bootcamps.

Take bitcoins in payment.

I'd run this bootcamp for 2 bitcoins.

I send my client into 7-11 and if he comes out without the hottest girls number in there I punch him in the face. Rinse-repeat. 2 hours later your approach anxiety is gone.

Or the poor slob will lock himself in the shithouse for hours waiting for you to leave.

Post: #59

btw-I'm finally getting my dating website together. May have to add a coaching component to it as I will be catering to high end guys.

And we know a lot of them need some help.

Post: #60

1300 it cost directly..but throw in plane tickets, lodging ,meals,etc the sky is the limit.

Post: #61

I was just reviewing daygame bootcamp and my traveling for your entertainment and feedback.And yes,everything is real - why wouldn't it be? To clarify some questions:
1. The cost for the bootcamp was 1090 USD - no more,no less.
2.The reason I picked Miami and LOndon was because of the cheap ticket prices. And yes, I wanted to take the bootcamp with daygame.Plus it was fun to stay in a hostel in Miami and hang out on the beach. I love LOndon too (not for reasons of pickup).My main destination is Russia where I'll be staying for several months if I can stand it. I'll be taking dance classes there and participate in two pretty major salsa festivals. I am a dancer and finding a dance partner in the US is really hard as oppose to Russia.
Staying in hostels you meet friends fast,including young women. I think I was talking/flirting with one almost everyday.And yes, sex in hostels is very common! Very low pressure environment.
3.What I took away from the bootcamp : feedback on every approach I made! I can practice on my own now and even teach someone else.
4. I don't dig EE or asian women. I am looking for someone from my own culture,someone I can relate to and have a relationship in the future. PLus I don't find Asians or Russians attractive ( the vast majority of them, not the models). I've been to Thailand and Philipines before and got very little interested from regular girls,but to be fair I didn't approach either. Many of them are semi- pros in clubs anyway.
I was a bit surprised some of you thought this may not be real. I don't see anything extraordinary about my travels. If anyone reading this wants to meet up in London this weekend,KIev or Moscow next week - pm me.

Post: #62

You don't like Russians but are going to Russia?
You want serious relationship but looking to meet Street women?
You was in SEA and got no interest?
That's part of the reason for doubt I bet. Beta guys under 5 ft get young girls in SEA. Seriously I know fat short guys over 60 in Manila with young ones.
If you can't do well in some of these Places ...no way are you going to succeed in AnglOland. Also your looking for young ones you mention and now Admit wanting LTR. Do you really think young American chicks are LTR mAterial???I am married almost 12 years Because I didn't go American.

Post: #63

(11-17-2013 09:21 AM)jimukr104 Wrote:  You don't like Russians but are going to Russia?
You want serious relationship but looking to meet Street women?
You was in SEA and got no interest?
That's part of the reason for doubt I bet. Beta guys under 5 ft get young girls in SEA. Seriously I know fat short guys over 60 in Manila with young ones.
If you can't do well in some of these Places ...no way are you going to succeed in AnglOland. Also your looking for young ones you mention and now Admit wanting LTR. Do you really think young American chicks are LTR mAterial???I am married almost 12 years Because I didn't go American.

Yeah, WAYout is all over the place with his descriptions of his supposed experiences in the world, and funny that several of us have been following his train of thought in these areas for so long. He has been taking several of us on a ride into the incredible.

And, NOW, he is going to Russia for salsa dancing? Hehehehe... maybe it's true, but seems a bit much? And, wayout does seem to be wayout.

Post: #64

Good for you wayout...that takes a lot of balls to make a change in your life like that. Respect.

Post: #65

(11-15-2013 08:20 PM)Wayout Wrote:  Oh I have nothing against Bojangles. But I already paid for the bootcamp with daygame and everything was scheduled. Then I get a PM literally days before offering me another bootcamp from someone I don't even know. At least I watched daygame videos for a year and found their style very close to what I want. I'm sure you understand my skepticism.
There is day two in the story that I am writing up. So who ever thinks this will be an advertisement for daygame will see it is not.
The first day rocked! I approached hot girls in London and I am in my late 30's with approach anxiety! The mission was accomplished!

Next stop is Kiev Ukraine and then Moscow.

I'm not sure if you're trolling....

Exhibit A, followed less than an hour later by Exhibit B

(10-18-2013 04:39 PM)Wayout Wrote:  I decided to quit my job,move out and start traveling. Past few years were miserable as far as girls go. My approach anxiety became ridiculous to the point I haven't been able to cold approach at all. I approached two girls total in the past 3 years I became very comfortable in life with my good job, nice apartment - all the good shit a man in a relationship should have.

Next week I am moving out,putting everything in storage and start a new stage of my life. I am thinking to take a boot camp with daygame.com guys - they seem to have what I want. I want to be a day gamer, I like it much better than high pace night game plus I am looking for quality girls.
I would have to fly to London and that's cool, I can travel from there a bit and up in Russia and Ukraine. Has anyone taken their bootcamps on here? I'd like to hear your experiences. I searched for any reviews online but didn't find anything good. I know for most of you it's not worth the money ( around $1300 they charge), but I hope this would be a good starting point for me.

(10-18-2013 05:31 PM)bojangles Wrote:  I went out with Krauser and co once for a week in Europe, I'm doing bootcamps in London and wouldn't mind taking you out to Zagreb for one, drop me a pm if you're interested

Anyway whatever everyone makes mistakes and can learn from them, but come on, don't call us out for being liars in your posts when the thread here shows it all.

Post: #66

This guy is trolling his ass off, albeit slightly more subtle than the norm.

Where's the BanHammer?

Post: #67

I wonder if Oxford Street is the best place to daygame anyway. The many times I've been there, it seemed like most people walking around were tourists since it does attract that kind of crowd.

Towards the west end of Oxford Street is Hyde Park -- I'd say many options there if the weather is halfway decent (which maybe it's not.. November in London).

Post: #68

(11-18-2013 12:13 AM)paninaro Wrote:  I wonder if Oxford Street is the best place to daygame anyway. The many times I've been there, it seemed like most people walking around were tourists since it does attract that kind of crowd.

Towards the west end of Oxford Street is Hyde Park -- I'd say many options there if the weather is halfway decent (which maybe it's not.. November in London).

Generally speaking, I would think that in a place like London or maybe in any place that is considered quasi-westernized, tourist areas would be good for trying to hook up.

Post: #69

(11-18-2013 12:13 AM)paninaro Wrote:  I wonder if Oxford Street is the best place to daygame anyway. The many times I've been there, it seemed like most people walking around were tourists since it does attract that kind of crowd.

Towards the west end of Oxford Street is Hyde Park -- I'd say many options there if the weather is halfway decent (which maybe it's not.. November in London).

Oxford Street is fine, however it's the busiest street in Europe, so your stop has to be strong. It's not far from other well known tourist destinations where you can pick up SDL's from.

Post: #70

lol just run some test e and exercise man

Post: #71

Kiev.

I haven't been to Kiev in probably 2-3 years,so seeing the kind of people boarding the plane was entertaining and educational at the same time. I notice a few very good looking women...more than I would expect and many men with grey tired faces and strange haircuts.
The new (Kiev) terminal D looked much better than that old dump terminal B. I was nervous getting closer to passport control as I had some issues with them,that I am not going to go into right now. I flirted the shit out the girl checking docs and she let me through scot free! A friendly smile goes a very long way in EE - maybe because they hardly see it from the locals? Anyways...I got to the hostel and guess what ! - a girl in a sexy cami ( the kind you would see in Victoria Secret catalog) opened the door...she was naked underneath and smell really good. She just got out of the shower. I am not making this shit up! She showed me to my dorm. I had a sexy roommate there...but she was visiting some dude in KIev so I didn't try anything.
I ventured outside and was taken away by how many beautiful girls were out on Monday night...Now this is a good place for daygame! I didn't though, jest felt cold and tired and wanted to just take it all in and get some rest.
I listed to some girls talking in the common area of the hostel - their conversation was very different from their counterparts in America. I brought that cultural point before - EE girls are pretty alright but I could never connect to them on a deeper level. They sound a bit naive and most of their conversations revolves around money,suffering and...theater? wtf?
I love the blind positivity of Americans,the faith that shit will work out and everything is going to be great! EE girl would find it is stupid that TBS runs the Christmas story the whole day on Christmas...superficial cunts.
So why am I here someone asked? Same reason older guys go to SEA plus the dancing lessons. I'll be taking vocal and dance lessons from several teachers,it's much much cheaper in Russia. I'll get some dancing done as well. I guess I want some attention from women - it feels so nice! Local guys can't dance for shit so that should be easy. Hopefully get laid. I also got a sweet apartment hook up in a 2nd tier Russian city - free rent!

PS. I am flattered that some of you suspected my journey is made up and I am "trolling". I thought what I do/did was pretty average life and no one would be interested in reading this. I am just a guy who thinks he is good looking and young looking and I got frustrated with my life in Southwest USA.

Post: #72

I'm not quite sure how to use that pink troll gif.. If I did that would substitute this post.

Post: #73

(11-18-2013 04:29 PM)Wayout Wrote:  PS. I am flattered that some of you suspected my journey is made up and I am "trolling". I thought what I do/did was pretty average life and no one would be interested in reading this. I am just a guy who thinks he is good looking and young looking and I got frustrated with my life in Southwest USA.

Thanks for the update, OP.

You remain all over the place in your claims, and it may be that some of us need some better and/or more convincing descriptions, as well, b/c you seem to be saying several things that contradict each other. For example in one post, you are saying that you are a unsuccessful loser and unable to get any loving, and in the next post you are a good looking young guy whose got the girls dancing on the tip of his finger.

Maybe you can provide a couple of links to the salsa dance festivals that you will be attending in Kiev or where ever it is that you are asserting that you are going to dance and learn dance. At one point you suggested that you are already a dancer and at another point you say that you are learning... .. maybe you can explain that a little bit also and let us know your level and which dances you dance and for how long?

BTW: there is NO reason to accuse guys on this forum or participating in this thread of hating on you or being unjustified in their skepticism about your various descriptions of your experience(s).

When you post what seems to be fantastical and/or seemingly unreal accounts of experiences that you are supposedly having, you should expect that guys are going to want some additional details and/or explanation in order to better understand and/or to potentially contribute to the thread. Maybe you could post a copy of your travel ticket.. of course blocking out personal identifiers and maybe showing RVF hand written on it or something....

You must admit that in spite of some of the criticisms and skepticism that guys have been expressing, including me, throughout this thread, several of us have been very generous in offering you a variety of input and going along with your various scenarios - even though many of us are skeptical that you are taking us for a long, slow fantasy ride.... and then in the end, we realize we've been duped....

I suspect that some guys here stopped following this thread a while back based on the fantasy nature of it, but a few of us, including me, are die hards, and willing to give you a little bit of benefit of the doubt.. and go along with some of this.

Anyhow, if you could provide some further details concerning the dance locations and the dance situation, such as your level, experience and your expectations, that may also give some of as a better picture about what you are up to. And, i presume that you are o.k. with receiving additional input from RVF members since you are still posting on this thread?

BTW: has anyone reported OP yet as being a troll, or have we concluded that the evidence is NOT strong enough, or is the matter being reviewed by moderators?

Post: #74

Guy said he had a good job and doesn't go out much. $1,300 should be nothing to him. The plane tickets and accommodations to 3-4 countries, plus food and other entertainment would be more of a concern.

That said, it sounds like a painful trip if true. He doesn't write or talk like someone who is late 30's and reads pickup materials. If he was paying attention for 2+ years, he certainly doesn't take directions very well.

How can you go to a Salsa venue ("Yuka in Miami") and see one girl in the whole place? It must have been a gay club...

Post: #75

I don't see anything incredible about this trip for it to be a fantasy . I haven't gotten laid once. I took a bootcamp in London,now I am in Kiev..
That's the thing, I am a fairly good looking guy in late 30's who for some reason gets no lays. Even in SEA I got only one lay and I had to beg the girl.It became kind of a satire when I show up in a dance club Miami and there was one girl in the whole place. It might be just a bad luck.
About dancing : I'v been dancing for about 10 years and I am up there in the top 5% in the US. But dancing doesn't get you lays. And yes, even if you are an experience dancer you still take lessons from different teachers to add to your style and pick up some tricks. Ballroom is really strong in Russia as well - so there is always something to learn. I always wanted to go to a salsa festival Jan 2 in Krasnoyarsk (HOt Siberian salsa something,look it up on youtube) and then bachata festival In Yekaterinburg same month
I posted pictures from Miami hostel before and I will post pics from LOndon and MOscow wheh I get time to upload them and have a strong internet connection. What would you like to see?