Post: #1

About a year ago I put together a list of all the chicks I can remember sleeping with or coming extremely close to sleeping with... just for personal curiosity... Being OCD, however, I then started separating them by year (to the best of my recollection), by nationality, and if there wasn't any actual penetration, the reason why I think intercourse didn't happen (too drunk, last minute resistance, etc...).

(I try not to burn bridges, so I still sleep with girls that I first had sex with years ago... however, for the sake of quantity, I only count NEW girls in this spreadsheet.)

Being an industrial engineer, I then noticed that I could run some basic statistic analysis tools to use this spreadsheet for my personal growth... for instance, Pareto to concentrate on identifying and attacking my weaknesses, 5 Why's to get to the root cause of certain roadblocks, Regression Analysis to try to predict what my sex life should be at some point in the future (though I know real life is way too unpredictable...), etc... I even started keeping track of Average Expenses to First Lay, though I only do this going back three years... needless to say, 2013 is the most accurate figure I have ($55, in case you were wondering).

Anyways... today I decided to add ratings to individual girls. These were my own opinion ratings but I'm now working on PUBLIC ratings... so I'm gonna put up some pics on a hotornot-like website to get an average and see my progress. Basically, before I was concentrating on quantity... now I want to concentrate on QUALITY. However, I hit a roadblock in my rating system.

MY QUESTION:

How do I value variables such as hair color, eye color, age, skin quality, etc...?

I've come up with the following weighted value system:

I give a quick personal rating, for instance 8.0

I then consider age:

18-23: 5pts
24-28: 4pts
29-33: 3pts
34-39: 2pts
40-45: 1pt

Then consider hair color:
redhead: 3pts
blonde: 2pts
brunette: 1pt

Then eye color:

light eyes: 2pts
dark eyes: 1pt

So, to continue the above example, if I bang a 23 yr old redhead with green eyes it'd be:

Initial gut assessment: 8.0
AGE: 5
HAIR: 3
EYES: 2

TOTAL: 18.0

I then divide by 2 (to consider initial gut assessment plus the sum of the weighted categories) and get an absolute value: 9.0

I feel that this is a good way to be objective throughout my life, as one of my 9s from 2007 has since had 3 kids and darkened her hair. She's now a 6.5

Does anybody have a similar system?

Would you mind trading spreadsheets? Obviously, all identifying info would be removed.

Any other category ideas?

Post: #2

MIkeRaw:
I had written a list of girls that i banged a while back but I did not write very many details, like some of the details that you are describing, so more difficult to perform any kind of specific analysis. Also, I did not put it into a spreadsheet or create number values for certain characteristics that I favor (or disfavor), but considering those various characteristics sounds like a real great idea.... especially for any guys who wants to spend time considering his game and possibly making adjustments to his game...

Currently, I am in my 40s, and i had my most success with girls in my late 20s and into my 30s, and lately it is more difficult in the USA for me (I live in los angeles) to get the same kind of interest from girls as I did in the past - b/c I believe age causes certain barriers, and I am not willing to do certain things to game women. I remain interested in girls in their 20s. Anyhow, starting in February, i will be travelling to SEA and other locations where age gaps will likely not be as great of a barrier for me as in recent times. Accordingly, I expect my bang rate to go up and also the amount of time that I will have available to spend on bang and bang analysis.

If I were to start such a spreadsheet, I may also want to consider various aspects of my interaction with the girls (and this may play out a little bit differently with each girl – depending on how much time I spend with her). Additional categories may include: 1) Interesting conversation, 2) good sex, 3) good dancer, 4) level of drama, 5) level of high maintenance, 6) kids (like you mentioned), 7) family/friends issues - whether these are pluses or minuses, 8) how much I spend on her before the bang, 9) how much between bangs, 10) what kinds of bonus things does she do for me 11) her level of income / wealth.

As far as rating the girl, I may have my personal rating, and maybe rate some of those other characteristics separately – on this forum, guys have labeled those other characteristics in various ways. I would rely mostly on my own personal rating rather than any assessment of what other people think because of her rating because that would be of very little importance to me.

All the factors together may assist me in determining various things about the girl and how I may want to treat her. 1)haven’t banged and want to bang, 2) haven’t banged and don't want to bang, 3) banged once 4) banged several times, 5) friend zone after banging 6) include her as part of a rotating harem or 7) potential long term relationship (not sure about creating exclusivity with any girl – however, possibly once I am in my mid-50s, I may consider LTR or producing kids with one or more girls, if I am still interested and able.. he he he).

Post: #3

Are you truly doing this scoring for yourself? Or is it for someone else or just to try and give yourself some purpose.

Because I can honestly not see the point in having this kind of resolution. Might be fun for nostalgia but as an actual tool to secure future bangs this is way too much energy directed at the wrong things.

I used to do this kind of stuff when I was real young. Unltil I realized that excuses for not putting myself out there started to seep into the grading. So I stopped.

Post: #4

(10-16-2013 05:17 AM)Vicious Wrote:  Are you truly doing this scoring for yourself? Or is it for someone else or just to try and give yourself some purpose.

Because I can honestly not see the point in having this kind of resolution. Might be fun for nostalgia but as an actual tool to secure future bangs this is way too much energy directed at the wrong things.

I used to do this kind of stuff when I was real young. Unltil I realized that excuses for not putting myself out there started to seep into the grading. So I stopped.

Personally, I responded to Op's post b/c I believe that some value can be gotten from such tracking both for myself and possibly for communicating such information to others (if I were to feel like sharing it). You may be correct that it may not be so good at securing future bangs, and that there may be better activity to ensure future bangs. Nonetheless, I can appreciate the employment of a tracking mechanism to maybe monitor a guy's progress and to assist him in considering whether he should move on or not or what direction he may want to pursue, based on the information that he has about what he has done and to plan accordingly.

This topic grabbed my interest b/c i happen to be the kind of person that likes to write things out and to keep track of things, and i have kept track in a lot of areas in my life, especially when I may get enmeshed in a certain area or change my past practice.

I have a similar practice concerning tracking some of my financial matters and i also engaged in some similar practices pertaining to areas of my learning both in relation to my profession and when i was learning Spanish.

Also, when I was first learning salsa dancing, beginning in 2002, I wrote out almost everything that I was learning and nearly every dance class that I took. I did not know of any of my peers who learned the way that i did, and in salsa, several people would use videos or they would write out the moves in quite a bit less of a systematic way than me.

In sum, i am suggesting that this kind of writing out may suit certain personalities more than other personalities.

For me, I am anticipating traveling starting in February and banging a lot of girls, and accordingly, I plan to engage in some kind of writing system to keep track that may vary from OP's version but have some similar ideas.

Actually, when I was in grad school, I learned some software for performing statistical analysis on data such as what OP describes, but it seems that I am not as up-to-date and sophisticated as OP in that regard b/c I don't really recall how to do it, and i currently do not have that software that I learned on. Nonetheless, i am thinking that Excel could accomplish some of the data analysis that he describes, and accordingly, I am considering using Excel to plug in some of these fields.

It seems that OP is looking for guys that have some ideas about employing some tracking mechanisms or have engaged in some similar tracking practice.

Even if such a practice does not seem up your alley and seems to be a waste of time in your way of tracking (or not tracking), this may not be the thinking of some other guys. There may be a few on this forum who are interested in the topic. I assert that it seems interesting to me to consider the matter, and certainly, I could certainly think of worse ways to spend my time and energies...... but that's just me

Post: #5

Way too much time on your hands OP

Post: #6

This started out as a vanity project but it's been eye-opening and helpful. You guys should start something like this up.

This forum is blocked at work, so I'll address some of the recommendations when I get home. Thanks, by the way!

Post: #7

(10-16-2013 08:40 AM)Sharkie Wrote:  Way too much time on your hands OP

OP is an engineer, so there may be a couple of dynamics at play. 1) working with data analysis is easy for him and not very time consuming and 2) data analysis is interesting to him.

Certainly, data analysis is not for everyone for a variety of reasons including skills and/or personal interests, and in that regard, I can think of many worse ways for a guy to waste his time.

Post: #8

(10-16-2013 08:40 AM)Sharkie Wrote:  Way too much time on your hands OP

I hate when people say stuff like this. I've been told "way to much time on your hands bro" many times when I was doing fun and cool shit that other people just couldn't do. I see it as a real douchey comment, especially when I get it from the average american that will spend a couple hours a night watching reality tv.

But no I don't have a system at all. I just simply don't care enough about it to try to record and break it all down. Props though, I love the idea of using a regression analysis to get an idea of how much you will be banging 20 years from now

Post: #9

I didn't take the too much time comment that personally, but agree. it doesn't add anything to a discussion.

If anyone is interested in my spreadsheet, I'll send a blank version out with all formulas. I'll post some screenshots tonight, Houston time.

Post: #10

OP better come with how using a spreadsheet has refined his game, otherwise this is the worst kind of Game masturbation there is.

# of sets approached
# of amogs and warthogs disabled
time in set
# of kino touches per set...
# venue changes
# close percentage

Rating bitches @ a microscale is probably the least helpful thing you can do.

And if you aren't making dozens of approaches per week, then it's really pointless.

WIA

Post: #11

(10-16-2013 10:02 AM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 08:40 AM)Sharkie Wrote:  Way too much time on your hands OP

I hate when people say stuff like this. I've been told "way to much time on your hands bro" many times when I was doing fun and cool shit that other people just couldn't do. I see it as a real douchey comment, especially when I get it from the average american that will spend a couple hours a night watching reality tv.

But no I don't have a system at all. I just simply don't care enough about it to try to record and break it all down. Props though, I love the idea of using a regression analysis to get an idea of how much you will be banging 20 years from now

Seriously?

I'm all for data analysis, but it needs to be applied to the right things.
What purpose is there in breaking down and analysing in minute details such parameters when a single rough estimate will do? Both these estimates take into account subjective ratings and these are influenced by mood, beer goggles, environment and a thousand other parameters.

Why not focus instead on game related aspects that DO need to be broken down and benefit from analysis, such as those that WIA has suggested? Why not divert this time and effort to causes that OP may benefit from?

Exhaustive data analyses of subjects yielding results that do not affect efficiency or yield better insight in any way is one of the finest and most prevalent forms of mental masturbation in engineering circles. I speak from personal experiences.

I'm going to assume that the average american who watches reality television for two hours was a generic statement and not aimed directly at me considering that we've never met.

My purpose was not to hate on OP, just merely to suggest that perhaps it would be better to divert this time to work on other parameters. Glad that he's not taking this personally.

I have nothing of value to add to this thread, so I'm out.

Good luck.

Post: #12

If you are only spending $55 per lay I would like to see a datasheet on that rather than a mathematical analysis of girls looks-that seems amazingly cheap

Are you counting all of your game expenses- gas, food, drinks, covers, tips, tickets, clothing, incidentals, including nights you cold approached and didn't get laid and dates with girls you never banged? I bet mine is over $200 easily and I don't live in an expensive area.

Post: #13

(10-16-2013 05:57 PM)MrXY Wrote:  If you are only spending $55 per lay I would like to see a datasheet on that rather than a mathematical analysis of girls looks-that seems amazingly cheap

Are you counting all of your game expenses- gas, food, drinks, covers, tips, tickets, clothing, incidentals, including nights you cold approached and didn't get laid and dates with girls you never banged? I bet mine is over $200 easily and I don't live in an expensive area.

MrXY: Personally, I would not count every expense as a bang expense - unless only the girl is benefiting by it.

If I bought her a beer, then that would be counted completely, but if went to a meal, and i ate 3/4 of the food, I would have to figure a fair portion to allocate to the bang.

Probably, each of us are going to come to differing conclusions about what is a bang expense and what is spending on me.

Nonetheless, you are likely correct that OP's description of $55 as an average pre-bang expense seems to be quite low.

Post: #14

I seriously and honestly don't know if I'm missing something in the cost per lay. I don't take my time as an opportunity cost into account. I simply count what I buy for the girl. I live in Houston, and a beer here and a vodka cranberry there spread over 2 places on 2 different nights is not unheard of. I live in midtown and I'm literally 300
steps to the closest bar, Little Woodrow's, which is cheap and popular... especially in Thursday nights for turtle races.

No cover. Never any food. No taxi. No driving. Even if I but a girl 10 drinks, that's only $50, including 25% tip.

Seriously, what else should I take into account?

The hardest part is getting the date. Once you're in a date the rest is pure frame control.

Post: #15

(10-16-2013 10:50 PM)mikeraw Wrote:  No cover. Never any food. No taxi. No driving. Even if I but a girl 10 drinks, that's only $50, including 25% tip.

Seriously, what else should I take into account?

The hardest part is getting the date. Once you're in a date the rest is pure frame control.

Maybe I need to move to Houston?

Your only expenses are drinks, 10 drinks per girl? Once you get the girl to go on a date you have two dates and then a bang? Probably, need to know your trick and what you do exactly to get bangs? wouldn't it get boring to have the same pattern for all of the girls? Usually girls are not so cooperative to fall in the same pattern, unless you have some kind of special thing going on in the Houston area. If all these girls fall into a very similar pattern then I am also recognizing that it may be less interesting for me to keep track in a data base.

And if you are going to the same places, aren't you having problems running into the same people? or are you meeting the girls somewhere else and then bringing them to your proposed places? Seems a little strange to me that you could summarize them as falling into a 10 drink pattern.

For how long have you been doing this and how many girls have fallen into this 10 drink pattern?

How long does it take you between girls? Bang a new girl once a week or once a month or something else?

Are you considering adding any of the criteria mention be guys in this thread to your database?

Post: #16

In the interest of full disclosure, a lot of these girls are OKCupid and Tinder chicks that I've gamed over text or phone for a few days, so when we finally do meet, the clock has been running for a while... Also, others have been introduced to me by friends of friends, so there is some pre-existing social proof there as well as some history...

Also, I'm completely ignoring the girls that I've gone for but have shot me down and nothing has happened... I'm only including the ones that I've eventually had sex with. But that's the way my spreadsheet was originally designed... it was a record of girls that I've had sex with throughout my life... mostly to see how close I was to the coveted 100 mark. Hell, I thought I was WAY over 100... turns out that with a little thought, your real number is considerably lower...

Anyways, WestIndianArchie named some categories that I will incorporate into my spreadsheet in 2014. Thanks for the suggestions.

Regarding the cost to lay... I stand by what I've recorded. Houston is a very inexpensive city. I hang out in a lot of college-style bars where the prices are relatively cheap. And I keep using the turtle races example because it's a thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iBXs8d7v3w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yksclNnh8Wc

Just look at how dumb every girl looks in the above videos... It's so informal. It's beer, not martinis! And that area of Houston is full of lots of places like that: Pub Fiction, Celtic Gardens, Dogwood, Front Porch Pub, Wunderbar, Drinkery, etc... the most expensive drinks at any of these places is at most $10. And these places are all walking distance to each other and surrounded by apartment complexes populated by college chicks and young professionals. The logistics are there.

I used to live in Miami and have partied in every major city in the US... compared to any of those, Houston is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Seriously, though... how many drinks and/or venue changes do you guys do before getting a girl to your place? Is your conversational game not tight enough to stretch a single drink into an hour and then bounce? Rinse and repeat a couple of times and you're getting close to that magical 10 hour time frame where sex usually happens... I can't believe $55 sounds so low to you guys.