Kaotic

with that youve probably got the best shot of her getting back to you in 2 to 4 months as it gives off a non needy DGAF vibe.

Id go radio silence on her. Let her assume youve moved on. Basically she rejected you for another dude. At this point its up to her to earn you back by letting her contact you in a few weeks or months when she realizes this new guy has no game compared to you because lets face it - 95 pct of guys have no relationship game and are gonna get needy and drive her away eventually. . Maybe hit her up with a random feeler text in a couple of months if she doesn't contact you.

btw...no response from my 18 y/o....after "gotcha...lets grab a coffee...whats your eve schedule like this week?"

She was texting back within 2 minutes to everything I sent last week.

I guess waiting 5 days since my last text to send new texts this week is like an eternity for an 18 yr. old. NEXT!

^ mufasa

Funny gifs and humor rarely land well over text before you bang a girl. After you bang her well and you know in your gut she's into you then you can let some humor out over text.

Better to keep it simple and friendly so that even a 10 year old reading the texts couldn't be confused until after you bang her well many times.

(11-19-2014 12:06 PM)robreke Wrote:  Kaotic

with that youve probably got the best shot of her getting back to you in 2 to 4 months as it gives off a non needy DGAF vibe.

Id go radio silence on her. Let her assume youve moved on. Basically she rejected you for another dude. At this point its up to her to earn you back by letting her contact you in a few weeks or months when she realizes this new guy has no game compared to you because lets face it - 95 pct of guys have no relationship game and are gonna get needy and drive her away eventually. . Maybe hit her up with a random feeler text in a couple of months if she doesn't contact you.

Thing is I really don't give a shit if she comes back or not, if she wants to bang again cool, if not, not a loss to met at all. I was just genuinely curious. the conversation ended like this:

kaotic:there's a reason why you asked that, why
girl:haha well i'm not just looking for a hook up and that was something I always wanted to ask you (she asks me this AFTER she told me she met someone and AFTER we've already banged a few times, hamster logic)
kaotic:I'm not over analytical about things, I hangout and if things head towards a relationship, they do, if they don't, they don't.
girl:definently a good way to think about things.

-I've gone radio silent- Like I said at this point, if it's easy pussy cool, but I'm not putting any effort into this one.

(11-19-2014 12:06 PM)robreke Wrote:  btw...no response from my 18 y/o....after "gotcha...lets grab a coffee...whats your eve schedule like this week?"

She was texting back within 2 minutes to everything I sent last week.

I guess waiting 5 days since my last text to send new texts this week is like an eternity for an 18 yr. old. NEXT!

I noticed I get more of a response when first asking what their evening schedule looks like, then I go for the kill and do a direct day time and venue.

It is what it is, you could send her a feeler text.

Charge the L to the Game !

Recently started talking to girl from tinder. We met up and went out last night. Light foreplay in the car afterwards. Today she's been trying to frame our fling in her control, so we're in the battle of the frame and I refuse to lose. Just a little background as far as today goes:

Her slightly bitch remark

Me: don't let me let being on top last night get to your head haha

Her:it's so cute you still think you're in charge hahaha

Me: it's sweet of you to always try and take lead. I got this princess, you just worry about your hair color haha

Her: fuck you

Me:haha. Hey watch your language

Her: come make me....

Me: I will later

and carries on this way throughout the day
Now it's come to me asking her what's up for tonight.

Her: (dancehall), apparently lol

Me: active dating life huh?

Her:huh?
(I personally find this answer retarded.. How difficult was that question to answer)
I think she wants me to act jealous so she feels herself gain control.

Me: do you go dancing regularly?

Her: I get dragged out at least once a week

Me: with the girls? If you need a dancing partner I'm not too shabby

Her: girls?

Obviously she is probably going with a guy or like I said earlier she just wants me to act jealous so gains control. I need a frame control response. Or should I just go radio silent? I'm kinda leaning toward the 2nd option.. Opinions?

Got an unexpected text now after over a week. I've mentioned before how my text game needs work so I've implemented some of McQueen's advice. Hopefully this will work. Posting it here for any critiques:

Her: Hi Libertas! blah blah blah blah hope everything is good with you.
Me: been working hard too. lets meet
Her: Maybe I can do Saturday noon. Will let you know on Friday, ok?

Now this girl is foreign so I am hesitant to apply standard Americunt game which is a constant frame struggle, but I think this is a clear case of me needing to reframe this since it puts the decision on her instead of me.

Me: sat 1 pm come, I know a place.

This puts the decision more on me than it does on her, makes me sound decisive and keeps an element of mystery. She can either respond or not, but what I want to know is if this is in general, the correct way to go about those kinds of responses?

(11-19-2014 11:41 PM)Libertas Wrote:  Her: Hi Libertas! blah blah blah blah hope everything is good with you.
Me: been working hard too. lets meet
Her: Maybe I can do Saturday noon. Will let you know on Friday, ok?

Me: sat 1 pm come, I know a place.

Always say location + time first, and maintain frame, instead of let's meet - if she can't make it and doesn't offer an alternative - next!

I wanted to keep up an air of mystery.

No response yet, but that isn't really unusual for her. She's quite busy. I just didn't want to buy into her frame and make the decision on her by saying something like "alright." Foreign or not, I don't think that's a good idea.

Will wait for her response on Friday. If not, I might just call.

I do think she wants to see me again but as usual, setting up dates is a nightmare.

A girl I've been banging every 10-14 days for a few months suddenly went radio silent. Today when I walked home from work I saw her and she gave me this bitch face look.

Will wait until sunday and then I'll text her this:
"Don't know why you're angry, but hit me up when you're feeling lonely"

And that will be the last chance for her before I delete her number.


Thoughts?

(11-20-2014 01:21 PM)Summer Wrote:  A girl I've been banging every 10-14 days for a few months suddenly went radio silent. Today when I walked home from work I saw her and she gave me this bitch face look.

Will wait until sunday and then I'll text her this:
"Don't know why you're angry, but hit me up when you're feeling lonely"

And that will be the last chance for her before I delete her number.


Thoughts?

not really sure about your situation so i can't say why she gave you bitchy face. maybe she found out you're banging other girls

i'd avoid sending out text like that since you're giving her power and letting her choose. always lead

will rule out the possibility that shes banging other guys since she didn't ignore you in person

invite her out to a random event "i'll be at _____ tonight, come join me" chat and find out why shes giving you cold shoulder, escalate and bang

if not i'd just go radio silence and send feeler text every now and then

(11-19-2014 08:19 PM)Sharkey Wrote:  Recently started talking to girl from tinder. We met up and went out last night. Light foreplay in the car afterwards. Today she's been trying to frame our fling in her control, so we're in the battle of the frame and I refuse to lose. Just a little background as far as today goes:

Her slightly bitch remark

Me: don't let me let being on top last night get to your head haha

Her:it's so cute you still think you're in charge hahaha

Me: it's sweet of you to always try and take lead. I got this princess, you just worry about your hair color haha

Her: fuck you

Me:haha. Hey watch your language

Her: come make me....

Me: I will later

and carries on this way throughout the day
Now it's come to me asking her what's up for tonight.

Her: (dancehall), apparently lol

Me: active dating life huh?

Her:huh?
(I personally find this answer retarded.. How difficult was that question to answer)
I think she wants me to act jealous so she feels herself gain control.

Me: do you go dancing regularly?

Her: I get dragged out at least once a week

Me: with the girls? If you need a dancing partner I'm not too shabby

Her: girls?

Obviously she is probably going with a guy or like I said earlier she just wants me to act jealous so gains control. I need a frame control response. Or should I just go radio silent? I'm kinda leaning toward the 2nd option.. Opinions?

This girl is either a complete waste of time/total attention whore/slut, or she wants you to be real aggressive and dominant. I dated a girl like this. She'd try to get me worked up and instead of getting upset, I'd just grab her and "force" kiss her and despite some acting otherwise she loved every second of it. This girl also liked to try to slap me or pull my hair really hard which just meant that she really wanted me to do that to her.

She'd fight me if I tried to get her to suck my dick, but if I forced her to her knees she'd be gleefully sucking on me, getting dripping wet.

All your lines were decent (although I'd keep them shorter) except for your responses after "active dating life?"

That just looks jealous/tryhard. You know she's not going to tell you even if she does have an active dating life. You're playing completely into her frame by the end of it, offering yourself up as a dance partner. You need to stop that.

Street approached a cute little Asian girl today with long flowing hair down to her waist. Looked like she was in a rush too but not too much to talk to me.

Text exchange:

Me: hey it was nice meeting you earlier
Her: Hey you too, sorry I was in a bit of a rush. How was the rest of your day off
Me: its ok. not much, went to starbucks (lie, but girls LOVE Starbucks so it builds comfort) did some writing (truth)
Her: What kinda writing
Me: my long ass novel
Her (now she hooks): I wanna hear about it

At this point I thought it prudent to call and set up a date to be more efficient (blending texting and calling). She's on the train still so she can't talk now. She's going to text to see if I can take her call in about 30 minutes. Let's see if that actually holds up.

So in this exchange I built comfort and then baited with a bit of value. Seems to work for now. Still waiting to see if the girl I mentioned yesterday will message me tomorrow.

Recent text exchange from tinder girl I've been dating on and off for 4 or so months. She's barely even a regular...we see each other like once every two weeks.

Things like watch a movie at her house....go out for occasional drinks, she's given me multiple blow jobs but refuses sex as " she'll go crazy and want to have sex every day if we do it and get involved in a relationship which she doesn't want now".... So...it's just blow jobs.

she's 27...Im in 40s. ( but she thinks I'm 34...hehe )
Here's recent exchange:

me- want to do something wed or thurs after you recover?
her- are you going to be in town this weekend?
me- think so, why?
her : I usually don't do much during the week besides workout
her_ maybe I'm just exhausted now.
me: Let's shoot for Friday if that's cool
Her: my brother is staying here for a tennis tourney but I should still be able to do something

That was on Monday....
then today...I reinitiate:

Me:how's your week so far?
Her" I'm ready for the weekend!!
Me. I am too...let's have some fun tomorrow ( Friday ) and grab some drinks if that still works
Her a few hours later" I would prob have to play tomorrow by ear. I don't hang out with my brother much.

so....I'm thinking radio silence or " k...lemme know when you figure out your schedule" ....but she seems to be jerking me around. I do believe her brother's in town though as he does visit her on and off.

(11-20-2014 11:15 PM)robreke Wrote:  so....I'm thinking radio silence or " k...lemme know when you figure out your schedule" ....but she seems to be jerking me around. I do believe her brother's in town though as he does visit her on and off.

"k"

Or

"ok"

are both fine

My strategy seems to have worked. She wants to meet up this afternoon. I know to be cautious though but I think a good way to go forward for me would be the following:

1. Screening text.
2. Talk a little bit, build comfort and show value.
3. Wait for her to hook.
4. Call when she does to arrange a date. Arranging a date on the phone is far more intimate.

FUCK.

HB 8 lives in my small city, i pried her digits out of her on tinder, we had a decent convo.

I think I jumped the fucking gun on her and scared the cat, I could of created more comfort, rookie mistake, fuck:

Kaotic: hey stalker (joke from tinder) it's that hand some bearded devil named kaotic

Girl: Don't sound too into yourself

Kaotic: Don't worry I won't better confident, than insecure.

-hour gap-

Girl: You do have a point , so kaotic, what'd you do today ?

-2 hour gap-

Kaotic: worked, just left the gym, just got done eating and watching the games, what about you?

-30 minute gap-

Girl: Where do you work ? I worked, came home and let my puppy out, went and picked up my roomates kid then made dinner. Eventful day.

-hour gap-

Kaotic: I'm a stripper, well aren't you a nice roommate, got a few or just one ?

-1 minute gap-

Girl:Really which club ? I don't ever recall seeing you.
Girl:Just one roommate.

-overnight gap - texted her this morning-

Kaotic: Now why would I tell you where I work ! That's cool, where you at (my city)? Let's meet up for a drink tonight at 8:30 at (my venue).

-Read at 3 minutes after I sent it-


I know it's premature, but I'm trying to pipeline for the next few days since next week is a short week then it's thanksgiving, holidays can be a logistical and just a nightmare in general for getting bangs.

I really want to text her later this afternoon to either see if she declines, counters, or if she doesn't respond.

Thing is I don't want to double text, look thirsty, and maintain frame.

What would you players do ?

(11-21-2014 12:39 PM)kaotic Wrote:  FUCK.

HB 8 lives in my small city, i pried her digits out of her on tinder, we had a decent convo.

I think I jumped the fucking gun on her and scared the cat, I could of created more comfort, rookie mistake, fuck:

Kaotic: hey stalker (joke from tinder) it's that hand some bearded devil named kaotic

Girl: Don't sound too into yourself

Kaotic: Don't worry I won't better confident, than insecure.

-hour gap-

Girl: You do have a point , so kaotic, what'd you do today ?

-2 hour gap-

Kaotic: worked, just left the gym, just got done eating and watching the games, what about you?

-30 minute gap-

Girl: Where do you work ? I worked, came home and let my puppy out, went and picked up my roomates kid then made dinner. Eventful day.

-hour gap-

Kaotic: I'm a stripper, well aren't you a nice roommate, got a few or just one ?

-1 minute gap-

Girl:Really which club ? I don't ever recall seeing you.
Girl:Just one roommate.

-overnight gap - texted her this morning-

Kaotic: Now why would I tell you where I work ! That's cool, where you at (my city)? Let's meet up for a drink tonight at 8:30 at (my venue).

-Read at 3 minutes after I sent it-


I know it's premature, but I'm trying to pipeline for the next few days since next week is a short week then it's thanksgiving, holidays can be a logistical and just a nightmare in general for getting bangs.

I really want to text her later this afternoon to either see if she declines, counters, or if she doesn't respond.

Thing is I don't want to double text, look thirsty, and maintain frame.

What would you players do ?

I don't see how you've jumped the gun? Isn't 3-5 banter txts then set up date the standard? If not then I've been making the same mistake for my past 20+ numbers.

i think the problem could be you setting up date on a prime time (Friday night) and on the same day.

maybe try "..." around 5-6. if she replies with anything other than yes/no/counter offer you might just have to restart :/

or "is a stripper too much for you to handle ?"

(11-21-2014 01:56 PM)wandenreich Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 12:39 PM)kaotic Wrote:  FUCK.

HB 8 lives in my small city, i pried her digits out of her on tinder, we had a decent convo.

I think I jumped the fucking gun on her and scared the cat, I could of created more comfort, rookie mistake, fuck:

Kaotic: hey stalker (joke from tinder) it's that hand some bearded devil named kaotic

Girl: Don't sound too into yourself

Kaotic: Don't worry I won't better confident, than insecure.

-hour gap-

Girl: You do have a point , so kaotic, what'd you do today ?

-2 hour gap-

Kaotic: worked, just left the gym, just got done eating and watching the games, what about you?

-30 minute gap-

Girl: Where do you work ? I worked, came home and let my puppy out, went and picked up my roomates kid then made dinner. Eventful day.

-hour gap-

Kaotic: I'm a stripper, well aren't you a nice roommate, got a few or just one ?

-1 minute gap-

Girl:Really which club ? I don't ever recall seeing you.
Girl:Just one roommate.

-overnight gap - texted her this morning-

Kaotic: Now why would I tell you where I work ! That's cool, where you at (my city)? Let's meet up for a drink tonight at 8:30 at (my venue).

-Read at 3 minutes after I sent it-


I know it's premature, but I'm trying to pipeline for the next few days since next week is a short week then it's thanksgiving, holidays can be a logistical and just a nightmare in general for getting bangs.

I really want to text her later this afternoon to either see if she declines, counters, or if she doesn't respond.

Thing is I don't want to double text, look thirsty, and maintain frame.

What would you players do ?

I don't see how you've jumped the gun? Isn't 3-5 banter txts then set up date the standard? If not then I've been making the same mistake for my past 20+ numbers.

i think the problem could be you setting up date on a prime time (Friday night) and on the same day.

maybe try "..." around 5-6. if she replies with anything other than yes/no/counter offer you might just have to restart :/

or "is a stripper too much for you to handle ?"

Well I did pretty early this morning (my timing is usually around noon)

There was a bit of banter on our Tinder convo (i just didn't ramp up the banter via text, I went straight for the kill)

Yeah it definitely is a prime time, hence why I jumped the gun, but I know next week is a death sentence when it comes to meeting up.

Wander you're a smart fucker, I didn't even think about reply with "is a stripper too much to handle ?"

I'm definitely going to use that, it fits with my persona.

That's the thing I love about game, you're always learning something !

(11-21-2014 02:24 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Well I did pretty early this morning (my timing is usually around noon)

There was a bit of banter on our Tinder convo (i just didn't ramp up the banter via text, I went straight for the kill)

Yeah it definitely is a prime time, hence why I jumped the gun, but I know next week is a death sentence when it comes to meeting up.

Wander you're a smart fucker, I didn't even think about reply with "is a stripper too much to handle ?"

I'm definitely going to use that, it fits with my persona.

That's the thing I love about game, you're always learning something !

I got an add on snapchat and found out who it was, turns out it's the chick this post is about. She send me a snap when I ask who it is.

I ended up texting her saying, "i was wondering who added me on snap ! so is a stripper to much for you to handle ??

She said, " you aren't really a stripper."

I said "you never know these days, I just found out a friend of mine is an escort when I thought she is/was an accountant, now about tonight, you in ?"

-Read- No response.

I'm nexting this broad, that's twice I asked her. I'll keep her on snap so she can see what I'm doing (I usually post fun shit) or she can delete me, either way. Charging this one to the game.

In other news I've pipelined 2 dates for tonight, I'm gonna lean towards this kinda wild child tonight who seems more dtf, than this other girl I've sporadically texted for a few months, but still shows signs of IOI.

i don't think you jumped the shark, that seemed organic and made perfect sense to try for a meet up when you did at that point in the conversation.

I am trying to set up dates for this weekend as well, because like you said, the thanksgiving time is a really bad time for dating, people leave town and have family obligations.

(11-18-2014 05:19 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 04:55 PM)robreke Wrote:  Last week, I met a smoking hot 18 year old. Over text she agreed to coffee this week.

I texted her after the weekend:

Me: how was your weekend
Her: ....no response.
Me on the next day: I take your silence to mean "Rob you tall handsome bad boy, I can't wait to see you again."
Her a few minutes later: Sorry I didn't respond kinda sick.

Tell her "no problem do you want to do something later in the week?"

btw I'm quite a bit older than her though she doesn't know how old.

So...what to text next?

The first response was radio silence.
The second response was a weak and short reply/excuse.

Did you text her "no problem do you want to do something later in the week?"

If not, good, I'd go for a direct setting up of plans, or probe and ask her what her evening schedule looks like this week.

She already struck out twice in my book.

If she gives a short response, doesn't agree with your plans and doesn't counter your plans with another plan - I'd next her.

You can always send out a feeler text, if no response that's strike 3 in my book and she's nexted.

so...texted her later as to what was her schedule and let's go get coffee. She gave no response.

I waited until today, Saturday and sent :
Me: Hey, feeling well again?
Her within one minute: Nah most of my housemates are bad too :/
Me within 5 minutes: Bummer is it the flu?
Her within one minute: I don't know but it sure makes me feel like crap.
Me within 5: Sounds like something I had when I was in Florida this summer. Get well soon!
Her within one minute: Thanks !

that was a few hours ago.

So...I know she's hemming and hawing...but she's back to responding instantly. Who knows if she's full of shit about the illness. I'm chalking up weird behavior to either because she's 18....or she really has been sick.

So...she's responding to texts...but cant get her to meet yet...so there must be some at least lukewarm attraction still there.

My thoughts are either to text her this evening something like: Hey, I'm out at wild wings with some friends...come join us for a coke"

OR.....just waiting til after thanksgiving and trying to re initiate.
Ideas?

(11-22-2014 05:41 PM)robreke Wrote:  [quote='kaotic' pid='883386' dateline='1416349157']
[quote='robreke' pid='883373' dateline='1416347749']
Last week, I met a smoking hot 18 year old. Over text she agreed to coffee

[...]

So...she's responding to texts...but cant get her to meet yet...so there must be some at least lukewarm attraction still there.

My thoughts are either to text her this evening something like: Hey, I'm out at wild wings with some friends...come join us for a coke"

OR.....just waiting til after thanksgiving and trying to re initiate.
Ideas?

You're coming off needy, freeze out for a week and restart with let's meet up on Tues at 8. If she doesn't respond or flakes, try in 2 weeks otherwise NEXT!

Set up date with this girl from last week, already made out with her, she knows I'm pretty well off financially, due to her seeing me drive around in my car, etc.

We set up a date last tuesday for this saturday evening. I msg her to confirm on friday and she's saying "i hope so, I'm out of town right now but I think I am back tomorrow, blah blah"

Saturday, I send her a feeler text saying something along the lines of "jesus, so hungover.. how you doing?"

Reads it, doesn't answer. Doesn't even cancel the date on saturday evening. I obviously had already made other plans, but decide to call her out anyway today (sunday afternoon) on it.

Me: what's up flaky mc flake
Her: (thumbs up smiley)
Me: (shit smiley)
Her: ??
Me: confirming a meet up and then not even bother cancelling it... self-respecting men don’t play those early twenties games. take care mademoiselle
her 30mins after:
I reallyreally forgot it, I've was so into organizing this suprise-bday yesterday
You didn't overdue it aswell
I'm sorry for letting u wait
Take care u too

Next? Or should I send the part 2 of the anti flake text?
Well, we can reschedule but you’d have to put forth the effort

I know she's into me but she's also a 8 with a severe "social butterfly" disorder...

(11-23-2014 11:46 AM)trainwreck Wrote:  Set up date with this girl from last week, already made out with her, she knows I'm pretty well off financially, due to her seeing me drive around in my car, etc.

We set up a date last tuesday for this saturday evening. I msg her to confirm on friday and she's saying "i hope so, I'm out of town right now but I think I am back tomorrow, blah blah"

Saturday, I send her a feeler text saying something along the lines of "jesus, so hungover.. how you doing?"

Reads it, doesn't answer. Doesn't even cancel the date on saturday evening. I obviously had already made other plans, but decide to call her out anyway today (sunday afternoon) on it.

Me: what's up flaky mc flake
Her: (thumbs up smiley)
Me: (shit smiley)
Her: ??
Me: confirming a meet up and then not even bother cancelling it... self-respecting men don’t play those early twenties games. take care mademoiselle
her 30mins after:
I reallyreally forgot it, I've was so into organizing this suprise-bday yesterday
You didn't overdue it aswell
I'm sorry for letting u wait
Take care u too

Next? Or should I send the part 2 of the anti flake text?
Well, we can reschedule but you’d have to put forth the effort

I know she's into me but she's also a 8 with a severe "social butterfly" disorder...

I'd wait until after thanksgiving and do one of the following:

Nothing for now....radio silence.

On Saturday around mid afternoon text: Hope your thanksgiving was good. When she replies.....don't answer.
Then, on Tuesday evening...send a feeler text about how her weekend was and see if you can re initiate.
either that....or wait until Tuesday and reinitiate per above theme.

(11-23-2014 01:31 PM)robreke Wrote:  I'd wait until after thanksgiving and do one of the following:

Nothing for now....radio silence.

On Saturday around mid afternoon text: Hope your thanksgiving was good. When she replies.....don't answer.
Then, on Tuesday evening...send a feeler text about how her weekend was and see if you can re initiate.
either that....or wait until Tuesday and reinitiate per above theme.

No thanksgiving in Europe really But I'll wait for now and text her in a week or so, unless she innitiates, which is rather unlikely from her not suggesting another date.