Post: #1

Being a boss. Millionaire game. Whatever you want to call it. Lots of guys consider this the end game. With this stuff (money) the logic goes, pussy will easily fall into your lap. Life and women they say, will just be much easier. I don't entirely buy this idea, however.

Considering the common strategies, enterprising women use to extract money from men with resources (and many times fucking dudes on the side, cuckolding you), it creates the need for a different type of game (which I define as a self protection and value offering strategy). Being rich can in certain ways, give you a huge leg up on other dudes. This is quite obvious. But only when used properly, and in specific ways that don't allow women to exploit you.

What are the components of an effective "rich guy" game strategy? It basically boils down to four principles:


a) Be Private - In short, don't let them *directly* know that you are rich and don't 'brag' about it. Don't give them figures at all. You can clearly display *cues* such as nice watches, charity activities, clothes, house etc. Keep not just women, but everyone completely in the dark regarding your money. Do this until (if) you are ready to marry them, and even then be extremely careful about it.

b) Ruthlessly qualify women - Select women for the exact traits that you want, then put yourself into a place where there's a higher likelihood of finding them. Ask women trick questions. Give them the male equivalent of a "shit test". If your looking for a harem of slutty girls, ask them questions such as "Are you a party girl?" etc. If your looking for long-term material ask them questions that could disqualify them if they said "yes". Because you have money and your the man, you are the one with power, not them. This should be implicitly clear to them when they meet you.

c) Control Your Surroundings- If you have a lot of money (liquid net worth $2 million+), this gives you a great deal of options and heft with which to use it in ways that give you control over your environment. You could easily buy businesses such as a nightclub, bar, strip club etc which either attract women or employ them, then use it as a DHV ("I own this club"). You could throw parties or special events. You could buy a magazine, newspaper or media business and carefully craft your image as a desirable, mysterious playboy. The best way of looking at it if you are a) in a position to profit from it and b) the highest status in the environment, you are in the most winning position.

d) Emphasize more than wealth - Showcase the other things you have to offer them, so that they won't be fixated on your potential wealth. Primarily things that are "intangible" and can't be transferred from one person to another (social proof, personality etc). If you have an energetic personality, showcase it and place it to the forefront, and your wealth into the background, like music over a candle-lit dinner. This is not to say ignore your wealth, just don't use it as your primary attraction factor.

After thinking it through, any rich guy who adopts the above principles with regard to women, will be virtually bulletproof. He'll have more pussy than he can handle and he won't be used as a "mark" by women. He'll never be desperate, they will be desperate to fuck him.

This my friends, is how I would leverage my wealth to get the maximum result with women. Rich guys with no game get exploited and used! Period! Rich guys armed with the proper game get laid like rockstars and always come out on top.

Post: #2

Are you rich?

If so, how about dropping a datasheet on how you accomplished that? I'd much rather hear about how a guy made millions, than how a guy with millions gets girls.

Post: #3

^ No, but I am friends with a couple genuinely rich people and watch their interactions with women and how they handle shit. One of my friends is a 60 year old divorcee whose last wife took his mansion (in SF worth millions). He's been married 3 times and it's funny to watch his interactions with women now. Another one is a banker, and he dresses like a slob, so as not to attract gold-diggers.

Getting rich is not the topic of this thread. This is about "ok now that I'm rich, what do I do?" and answers that question. If you want to become rich, I have no advice other than to read "the Millionaire Fastlane", it's a legit book.

Post: #4

This topic again? I guess it's that time of the week.

For your game homework, go to your favorite torrent spot or cable show streaming website and look up Millionaire Matchmaker

The set up is
- a legit millionaire walks in
- the agency has a casting call
- they pick 10-20 chicks per millionaire's physical tastes
- they have mingle with 10-20 chicks
- millionaire picks 1
- the one chick and the millionaire go out on a date

Now let's think about this logically.
Every bitch who comes to the casting call knows that the guy they're gonna meet is a legit millionaire.

So by definition, these bitches are gold diggers. They don't know if these guys are hot, if they're compatible, they only know that he's rich as fuck. They've sucked dick for less financially endowed men.

During round 1, every bitch is super nice, super flirty, laughing at everything the rich guy says. EVERYTHING.

So he picks the best looking chick with the best vibe.

Then he takes them out on a fabulous date. Balloon Rides, Helicopters, Private jets, limo's, gourmet meals - the whole 9.

Before we get to the punch line
- gold digger - check
- rich guy - check
- rich guy shows off his lifestyle - check

Now lemme ask you, how many of these gold diggers end up with these whales?

100%? Naw.
70% - No
50%? - No

I think i've seen most of the episodes, and the relationship rate is less than 20%, and they're might have been 1 marriage that was the result of the show.

Keep in mind, the chick has EVERY incentive to get married to this guy and be a rich wife. There are no downsides. She could have affairs with the pool boy and then divorce the guy and get half his money, or whatever was negotiated in the pre-nup. and if she pops out some kids...forget about it.

Now most of the guys who strike it rich in the show
- stock/financial stuff
- real estate
- internet/tech stuff
- small businesses

Self Made or get a big company stock options, that's how they got rich. These are the biggest of beta providers.

But there were a handful of guys that were using the service like OkCupid.

The 2 I'm thinking of
- one guy owned a sex toy company (sex toys are for women)
- one guy owned clubs and restaurants (these businesses primarily exist to bring in women for guys to spend money on)

These guys? They weren't particularly excited about the show
- the club owner dude invited his crew along, as well as his female "assistant" - he was in the life.
- the sex toy dude is used to porn stars and strippers - so a regular woman wasn't that interesting, this is despite his desire to settle down and have some kids. He went out with a "fun girl" and realized she'd be a horrible partner. The regular chick he got with...well...you know how it is.

Now I'm not gonna say that these dudes have game, maybe they do, maybe they don't - but I will say that because of the type of businesses that they made their millions in, - they understood the female mind and what women have to really offer more than the guys with legit businesses and cashed in stock options.

Which brings me to my point.

Money is not a substitute for game.

I know club and bar owners. I know silent partners.
I know guys with 7 figure blue collar businesses.
I know the finance and real estate guys.
I know white collar company guys making serious paper.

The cash? The lifestyle?

It's not enough. They all thought it would be. Get the Porsche and the condo downtown, and the ho's would be running in.

It takes a special breed of woman to be a straight up gold-digger. Most don't have the cojones to do it. (I'm not saying they aren't out there. If you date Eastern European chicks or Black women...)

She still has to feel something in order to spread her legs eagerly. A chick needs something to latch onto, something to anchor her.

Money can turbo-charge your game, but it doesn't replace your game.

Hell even dudes doing P4P could have a better experience if they understood game. I digress.

So running game as a rich man?

The operative word here is game, you still need it, might need it even more.

WIA

Post: #5

These threads are really silly and to me have reached the level of "height trolling."

Money buys you logistics.

That's it.

You can pay more money to rent a nice spot, you can travel to places where chicks are sluttier (Vegas, Cabo), you'll have access to other guys who have money (and thus get invites to gallery openings, restaurant openings, etc.).

You meet a girl and for whatever reason momentum is slowing down...You run "hotel game."

"You ever just got a hotel and ordered room service for no reason?" If you're on a budget, you're not able to do that.

Same with cabs. If the cab line in Vegas is long, you just spend the $50 for a limo. No big deal.

Money gets you a ticket to the ball game that you might not otherwise have gotten.

Other than that, it's nothing. You still have to show up and play the game.

Game > money every time.

Post: #6

(10-09-2013 01:59 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  These threads are really silly and to me have reached the level of "height trolling."

Money buys you logistics.

That's it.

You can pay more money to rent a nice spot, you can travel to places where chicks are sluttier (Vegas, Cabo), you'll have access to other guys who have money (and thus get invites to gallery openings, restaurant openings, etc.).

Money gets you a ticket to the ball game that you might not otherwise have gotten.

Other than that, it's nothing. You still have to show up and play the game.

Wrong, over-simplistic and misleading.

Money does much more than simply "buy logistics". It can buy status. It can buy clothes. It can create conditions and environments that allow you to dominate and be the alpha male.

Money is best described as a "game amplifier". WIA got it right it's not a substitute for game (which is why I wrote this post), but amplifies it massively, especially when used properly. Any guy who's rolled through an unsuspecting town in a lambo will tell you that quick. They probably felt like a god.

Post: #7

(10-09-2013 02:06 AM)OkStudies Wrote:  Wrong and misleading.

Money does much more than simply "buy logistics". It can buy status. It can buy clothes. It can create conditions and environments that allow you to dominate and be the alpha male.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Your initial post suggested that a man buy a bar or strip club to "DHV." That's a fast way to go bankrupt.

Your initial post and your response to me makes it sound like you are still very very young and inexperienced about the world and have never hung out with ballers.

Post: #8

(10-09-2013 02:09 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 02:06 AM)OkStudies Wrote:  Wrong and misleading.

Money does much more than simply "buy logistics". It can buy status. It can buy clothes. It can create conditions and environments that allow you to dominate and be the alpha male.

Your initial post suggested that a man buy a bar or strip club to "DHV." That's a fast way to go bankrupt.

You're clearly the one without a clue. There are profitable nightclub/bar businesses for sale on the internet right now going for $1-2 mil.

Tell me, if you make your investment back after 1-2 years (50% returns) how is that going bankrupt?

Do you have any clue how much "ballers" spend on bottles and vip at even half-way cool nightclubs?

Post something useful/positive or GTFO out my thread. Don't come into my thread posturing like you're a OG. 1) Dude your on a internet forum, and 2) you'll get embarrassed.

Post: #9

Bane: Do you feel in charge?
Daggett: I've paid you a small fortune.
Bane: And this gives you power over me?

Post: #10

^ Economic power and physical power (violence) are not to be confused.

Post: #11

(10-09-2013 02:28 AM)OkStudies Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 02:09 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 02:06 AM)OkStudies Wrote:  Wrong and misleading.

Money does much more than simply "buy logistics". It can buy status. It can buy clothes. It can create conditions and environments that allow you to dominate and be the alpha male.

Your initial post suggested that a man buy a bar or strip club to "DHV." That's a fast way to go bankrupt.

You're clearly the one without a clue. There are profitable nightclub/bar businesses for sale on the internet right now going for $1-2 mil.

Tell me, if you make your investment back after 1-2 years (50% returns) how is that going bankrupt?

Do you have any clue how much "ballers" spend on bottles and vip at even half-way cool nightclubs?

Post something useful/positive or GTFO out my thread. Don't come into my thread posturing like you're a OG. 1) Dude your on a internet forum, and 2) you'll get embarrassed.

Post: #12

Dude comes in my thread, basically insults/disrespects with no provocation, I respond appropriately, then I get a ban? Yea ok LeBeau. Lets hope that's not the rules of this forum.

My threads are just magnets for trolling it seems.

Post: #13

It could be that we are all trolls and you are the bringer of light. Or it could be that your threads are a bit, shall we say, "off."

For example:

* Gaming white women as a black guy (race troll)
* Lesbian fetish (where you admit you have a thing for lesbian looking women)
* Sergey Brin: Game Recognized (where you think it's game for a man worth billions to hook up with a 6)
* Expanding the "black guy" market (another race thread)
* Whats better, being rich or being Alpha? (another money thread)

You are engaging in common troll behavior. You have a pattern of starting race and "money or game" threads. You also talk like a keyboard warrior.

That doesn't mean you're a troll. But consider something.

You are the common denominator of all of your threads. "My threads are just magnets for trolling it seems," you admit. Perhaps it's time to ask yourself why that might be.

Post: #14

(10-09-2013 02:49 AM)OkStudies Wrote:  ^ Economic power and physical power (violence) are not to be confused.

You missed my point. Money doesn't and will never buy "alpha". In the clip, we have Daggett who is very rich. He appears powerful, but his behavior is anything but. He loses his temper (lack of emotional control), berating his underling and Bane. He claims to be in charge (if you have to verbalize it, you're most definitely not in charge). When Bane places his hand on Daggett's shoulder and asks if he feels in charge, Daggett makes the briefest of eye contact before quickly looking away. Contrast this with Bane's behavior.

If your thought process is money --> status/alpha/attractive, you're toast. People will only want your money and what it can do for them, not you.

Post: #15

(10-09-2013 03:17 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  It could be that we are all trolls and you are the bringer of light. Or it could be that your threads are a bit, shall we say, "off."

For example:

* Gaming white women as a black guy (race troll)
* Lesbian fetish (where you admit you have a thing for lesbian looking women)
* Sergey Brin: Game Recognized (where you think it's game for a man worth billions to hook up with a 6)
* Expanding the "black guy" market (another race thread)
* Whats better, being rich or being Alpha? (another money thread)

You are engaging in common troll behavior. You have a pattern of starting race and "money or game" threads. You also talk like a keyboard warrior.

That doesn't mean you're a troll. But consider something.

You are the common denominator of all of your threads. "My threads are just magnets for trolling it seems," you admit. Perhaps it's time to ask yourself why that might be.

Look brah, I refuse to steer this thread off topic anymore than it already is.

All I will say is my threads are my un-filtered opinions/thoughts/observations. My aim is not to "troll" but to discuss ideas that may or may not be popular. If your mad I start too many game/money or race threads just say so. Then again, you don't have to participate or comment on them.

Post: #16

(10-09-2013 01:41 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  This topic again? I guess it's that time of the week.

For your game homework, go to your favorite torrent spot or cable show streaming website and look up Millionaire Matchmaker

The set up is
- a legit millionaire walks in
- the agency has a casting call
- they pick 10-20 chicks per millionaire's physical tastes
- they have mingle with 10-20 chicks
- millionaire picks 1
- the one chick and the millionaire go out on a date

Now let's think about this logically.
Every bitch who comes to the casting call knows that the guy they're gonna meet is a legit millionaire.

So by definition, these bitches are gold diggers. They don't know if these guys are hot, if they're compatible, they only know that he's rich as fuck. They've sucked dick for less financially endowed men.

During round 1, every bitch is super nice, super flirty, laughing at everything the rich guy says. EVERYTHING.

So he picks the best looking chick with the best vibe.

Then he takes them out on a fabulous date. Balloon Rides, Helicopters, Private jets, limo's, gourmet meals - the whole 9.

Before we get to the punch line
- gold digger - check
- rich guy - check
- rich guy shows off his lifestyle - check

Now lemme ask you, how many of these gold diggers end up with these whales?

100%? Naw.
70% - No
50%? - No

I think i've seen most of the episodes, and the relationship rate is less than 20%, and they're might have been 1 marriage that was the result of the show.

Keep in mind, the chick has EVERY incentive to get married to this guy and be a rich wife. There are no downsides. She could have affairs with the pool boy and then divorce the guy and get half his money, or whatever was negotiated in the pre-nup. and if she pops out some kids...forget about it.

Now most of the guys who strike it rich in the show
- stock/financial stuff
- real estate
- internet/tech stuff
- small businesses

Self Made or get a big company stock options, that's how they got rich. These are the biggest of beta providers.

But there were a handful of guys that were using the service like OkCupid.

The 2 I'm thinking of
- one guy owned a sex toy company (sex toys are for women)
- one guy owned clubs and restaurants (these businesses primarily exist to bring in women for guys to spend money on)

These guys? They weren't particularly excited about the show
- the club owner dude invited his crew along, as well as his female "assistant" - he was in the life.
- the sex toy dude is used to porn stars and strippers - so a regular woman wasn't that interesting, this is despite his desire to settle down and have some kids. He went out with a "fun girl" and realized she'd be a horrible partner. The regular chick he got with...well...you know how it is.

Now I'm not gonna say that these dudes have game, maybe they do, maybe they don't - but I will say that because of the type of businesses that they made their millions in, - they understood the female mind and what women have to really offer more than the guys with legit businesses and cashed in stock options.

Which brings me to my point.

Money is not a substitute for game.

I know club and bar owners. I know silent partners.
I know guys with 7 figure blue collar businesses.
I know the finance and real estate guys.
I know white collar company guys making serious paper.

The cash? The lifestyle?

It's not enough. They all thought it would be. Get the Porsche and the condo downtown, and the ho's would be running in.

It takes a special breed of woman to be a straight up gold-digger. Most don't have the cojones to do it. (I'm not saying they aren't out there. If you date Eastern European chicks or Black women...)

She still has to feel something in order to spread her legs eagerly. A chick needs something to latch onto, something to anchor her.

Money can turbo-charge your game, but it doesn't replace your game.

Hell even dudes doing P4P could have a better experience if they understood game. I digress.

So running game as a rich man?

The operative word here is game, you still need it, might need it even more.

WIA

when you write all of this common sense, I am baffled that you don't have +200 feedback on here. You are basically articulating what the rest of us are thinking (breaking down why money is not a substitute for game) and doing it extremely well.

Post: #17

(10-09-2013 03:51 AM)Peregrine Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 02:49 AM)OkStudies Wrote:  ^ Economic power and physical power (violence) are not to be confused.

If your thought process is money --> status/alpha/attractive, you're toast. People will only want your money and what it can do for them, not you.

That's what this whole thread is more or less about. Read my first post. In any case I don't disagree with you. I don't know where you got he idea along the way that I did.

Post: #18

Money can turbo-charge your game, but it doesn't replace your game.

^^^This.

Post: #19

(10-08-2013 11:21 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  
a) Be Private -

b) Ruthlessly qualify women -

c) Control Your Surroundings-


d) Emphasize more than wealth -

Okay, so what you've written are just some of the basic tenets of game. The only thing the last one needs is to be modified to "Emphasize more than just spending money on women"

Otherwise it's verbatim standard game for a non-wealthy guy.

What exactly are you writing a datasheet on? This is not rich-guy specific at all.

Let me translate:

A: Don't tell women too much, be mysterious.
B: Be the prize, make women qualify to you.
C: Logistics
D: Emphasize things other than money.

Basic game. I think if you were actually wealthy and good with women yourself you'd have something interesting to say instead of this repetition disguised as something new to "rich dude game."

Post: #20

I never said or even implied I was rich.

And no it's not a "verbatim" repeat of the same game for a non-wealthy guy. There are a few important (but obviously overlooked) differences. Money can be a "trap" or a "crutch". I know because I know several millionaires with this mentality.

First "Be Private" is much more intense and necessary for a rich person than a normal joe. He might be tempted to "show off" with nice cars, buying girls gifts/drinks and similar behaviors, none of which the average joe would even be able to consider given his options.

Second, "Control Your Surroundings" - Does NOT mean logistics. It is a DHV strategy. It's a means of influencing perception. Rich people don't really need logistics. They can simply book a hotel for the night if need be and say they are just coming through town. They can hire a chauffeur or limo to take them anywhere in the city (fully stocked with alcohol) at any time.

Lots of subtle differences between this and "basic" game.

Post: #21

(10-09-2013 04:47 AM)OkStudies Wrote:  I never said or even implied I was rich.

Then why are you spouting out about what a rich man should do? You are saying, "Oh, a rich guy has to be private for such and such reason."

Based on what?

It's all fantasy and speculation on your part. You have no idea. That's not an "insult." That's just a statement of fact.

You are someone who starts a thread asking a question and when you get an answer, you argue against the answer and just have a bad attitude in general.

Post: #22

I'm curious, who's the intended audience of this write-up? Something tells me that the average RVF member/reader does not have 2MM+ liquid.

Post: #23

OkS, the problem with your post is that your suggested course of action is not based on personal experience over time, but rather something you are speculating on based on the observations of others. Generally, the forum places a lot of value on knowledge that has actually been tried and tested by the individual personally.

Post: #24

I'm not rich but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that rich dude game is the same as normal game accept the rich dude has free time and doesn't need to say no to himself very often.

Traveling around the world 6 months a year first class. no big deal.
Going to Vegas and spending 20k to take a nap at one of the pool club cabanas. Whatever.
Living in a penthouse downtown, duh.
In multiple cities, no problem.

Basically proper rich guy game is to spend his money on himself. Let chicks see him living the high life but never brag about it.
Have a portfolio of pictures of where he went to on vacation 8 times this year on all the dating sites.

Get invited to the high society 10k a plate charity dinners and order a three coarse meal.

If he's a true baller he will start some sort of charity foundation and get his name in the paper or interviewed by news stations then bang the all the hot weather ladies and anchor chicks and columnists. They love them a philanthropist. Then he writes the whole thing off in taxes.

That's what I think rich guys do who have game.

Post: #25

buy yourself fame or mini fame celebrity status. theres nothing girls want more than a celebrity