Post: #76

(01-29-2015 12:11 PM)Libertas Wrote:  Anyone have some procedures on how to do this over at the girl's place instead? My logistics are a bit off to fully employ this recipe.

I rarely do that anymore, but when I have done it, it’s always been through phone conversation. Some women think they know you when they’ve spoken to you on the phone.

I’ve also made sure that phone conversations are pretty late, like after 11pm. This way the woman is already lying in bed, and pretty relaxed, and she may have her guard down.

Sometimes this leads to phone sex, once I’ve made them cum, I say something, like “I would love to this in person,, when can I come over?” Sometimes, she’ll say yes and give a date and time, or if her family situation doesn’t allow it, she’ll come to my place.

I used a bit of phone game here.... Whenever she kept on saying that she wanted to go a restaurant, I kept on saying, no come over to my place. She eventually gave in.

Post: #77

A lot of guys have asked what happens when the girl doesn't want to come straight over.

A lot of times I am playful in my replies, but sometimes the girl has real concerns about going over a strangers house.

Many times I will next these girls, but there is so much nuance in what she's saying that you really have to pay attention and play it correctly. And if it feels right, I'll break my own rule and meet her out for a drink.

Let me break down a recent example. This was the day after we had established she was going to come over for drinks.




I have received this "last minute rejection" a number of times, and it's usually a dead end because the girl is trying to regain control of the frame. But this time I followed through with her because of two key things she said:

1. "I'm still down to hang out with you."

A lot of guys will interpret that as her saying that she was DTF. That might have been what she meant, but it's more likely she meant she was down to come over and have the drinks with me that we had previously agreed to.

2. "in public somewhere first?"

This was the big one for me. It was her agreeing to come over to my place after we met in public. Rarely will a girl agree up front to come over to your place after a drink date before you've even met.

But when you set things up in the ZDB frame, the girl knows what's up and what is going down. She knows you're not trying to have some bogus romantic date, and that you have balls for inviting her over, and she's thinking it's likely you can throw it down.

This girl knew I wanted to fuck her without me having to say it, and I knew she wanted to fuck me without her having to say it, but she also didn't get off on the danger aspect of going to a strangers house like some girls do. So in this scenario, based on how she acted and what she wrote to me, it was worth pursuing.

I ended up meeting her for a drink. When the bartender asked if we wanted a second round, I said "no thanks we're going to take off." The girl didn't resist, didn't shit test me, didn't ask where we were going, etc.

Brought her back to my place and we made drinks and hung out for a couple hours before I made the move and sealed the deal.

Post: #78

^ Great analysis appreciate it all.

I'm a big fan of posted text conversations. Helps
my text game a lot.

Post: #79

I agree taking her out is a shit test. If she will bang she will come over from the start.

However I think texting for 2 week is just as much of a shit test. You can go from online to a few texts to a meetup at your place quickly, just use it for logistics

The way I frame it is I don't directly mention the date will be taking place at my house, but rather "let's meet at my place to go to x"

I frame it as a "meeting spot" to leave and check out this cool hot spot in town because the parking is tricky, and heck my house is on your way anyway to the venue, so just follow me.........Or if I don't get into specifics I'll just leave it general, "Meet at my place and we will decide what to do/where to go from there.... The intention is the same on my end tho, my plan is we aren't going anywhere.

So when they get into your complex or house, you go greet them, and then you hug them. And then you say hey come up and let me show you my apartment. I have not had one girl yet deny to come up. Just lead.

At that point small talk, glass of water, etc, and lead her into your bedroom for a tour. Commence escalation soon. Of some kind. I think 40 minutes is too long. Jon Sinn says within 15 minutes you need to auto kiss any girl that steps foot in your house.

Sometimes girls will mention after 5 minutes in your room "I thought we were going somewhere" and look a bit uncomfortable like what is going on. And if they mention that bring up an excuse to stay in your apartment and if they still want to go to the planned venue then you go......but you take the same car. So now she has to come back to your place to get her car. I would also say that you need to kiss her before you leave the apartment and go to said venue. Just do it right then when she says let's go, then go alright grab your keys and start making out. It will set the tone for the date.

So basically instead of doing the big commitment and investment from her with "drinks at my place" or "movie at my place" where she knows it's sex, I'll try to use a lesser step that she will be more able to commit to and not raise her guard up as much.

Post: #80

I've been employing this since 2011, I started to notice a trend that girls I took on dates I just didn't bang as much as girl I did.
Dates are buffers sure you'll bang some girls but statistically I broke it down and came to the same conclusion as OP

you will lose out on a lot of girls but that's why you gotta keep pipe-lining them, the times I don't follow this rule i pay dearly and this is why I rarely go on "dates"

Post: #81

Don't know if I missed this, but have you tried raising the objection before she does via text, or do you think this would be unnecessary/counterproductive.

Ex: "I've got a bottle of red I've been wanting to open. You should stop by around 9.

But first need to make sure you're safe, give me a call, I can identify serial killers by the sound of their voice."

Or something similar

Post: #82

(04-02-2015 09:17 AM)HenrySprinkler Wrote:  Don't know if I missed this, but have you tried raising the objection before she does via text, or do you think this would be unnecessary/counterproductive.

Ex: "I've got a bottle of red I've been wanting to open. You should stop by around 9.

But first need to make sure you're safe, give me a call, I can identify serial killers by the sound of their voice."

Or something similar

Yes, exactly.

That is pretty much how I am running ZDB now. Instead of the over-orchestrated games that I may have done before, I have simplified quite a bit, and I dismiss the inevitable objection before she has a chance to raise it.

It's built into my invite.

For example:

"Well anyway Katie I'm going to mix up some drinks later. You can join me for one, so long as you promise you're not a crazy cat lady."

or

Me: "Let's grab drinks at 8pm"
Her: "Ok where?"
Me: "in the XYZ neighborhood. Let's meet at my place first though and we'll walk over together. But you have to promise not to rob me."

^^That type of thing works well for me. It's less "shocking" to her system than me directly inviting her over, it's a qualifier that distracts her, it thwarts the inevitable objection, and it comes across as a low-key invite.

Of course it goes without saying that, if we start the date at my place, then we also end it there. I only use that style on weekends when I feel like hitting the town for a bit. Sometimes being at home every night is boring, and I don't mind running around the city with a girl for a bit. But I won't go unless she comes over first, because to me that means she is DTF.

If she refuses to meet at my place before going out for the night, then I'd rather just go out and pick up a girl the old fashioned way.

Post: #83

golden. I've been running this same strategy in NYC for the past 9 months or so. Its gotten me around 15-20 bangs.

edit: currently doing a tally and I'm at 22 bangs using direct-to-crib method in less than a year. This doesn't include the girls who came over but only sucked my dick (around 3-5).

Why it works for me:

-NYC living in a doorman building. Girls feel more comfortable if you appear to have money in their eyes
-Tinder, girls are easily sexualized

Post: #84

I have tried this to great effect and I'd like to share a couple thoughts:

- I have tried this during Daygame only, at night I don't take phone numbers.

- I have tried this through both text and phone call and I have found that phone works much better, but not by much. I like the phone call because I have a good deep voice.

- I have tried the variations of inviting myself to the girl's house and going from there. That has worked just as much and the fact that I mention it really screens out the girls that are down. The more adventurous cool girls say "yea" and the shyer ones giggle and negotiate with me to go meet somewhere but extracting them is easy after that. Some even say "so how about the movie sesh you mentioned before "

- I like doing this over the phone call because it sounds more genuine and you can literally hear her getting wet .

- Girls label you more as a player and it attracts mostly girls who work and study most times and need the release.

- You have to have a solid vibe during Daygame. As much as I respect Roosh and his day bang book, I operate slightly different from Daygame and I'm more "I've known you since forget vibe" with sexual element.

- It works better if your vibe is relaxed and comforting. I put it out there as a something I've always done and it's a natural thing.

-I say "hang out" and avoid the use "come over" (many girls have been jaded by this phrase). One phrase I use is "come to my neck of the woods"

- Like OP said, you have to let them be comfortable with the house

-Her driving to yours makes investment on her part, so you just have to heat her up correctly once she's here.

-If she doesn't drive, pick her up and bring her there to hang out

Enjoy

Post: #85

^^^^
Simondice: What does this mean?

"I've known you since forget vibe"

Post: #86

Excellent thread I need to try this.

I think the best option for me would be to invite her to cook with me and drinks. It definitely beats going to a shitty dive bar.

Post: #87

(04-06-2015 12:14 AM)The_CEO Wrote:  ^^^^
Simondice: What does this mean?

"I've known you since forget vibe"

I think he was trying to say 'since forever' but got auto-corrected.

HSLD

Post: #88

(04-06-2015 12:14 AM)The_CEO Wrote:  ^^^^
Simondice: What does this mean?

"I've known you since forget vibe"

"I've known you since forever" * fucking auto correct , it's a solid vibe to pretend you already know her.

Post: #89

Tried the zero date bang model on a single mom I met through Tinder today. She lives fairly close to me and we both work from home so I invited her over to my place for morning coffee. She has two very young kids that are only in school during the mornings so scheduling a night meetup is nearly impossible. She seemed reasonably hot in her pics so I figured what the hell, I'll give it a shot.

Shortly before she arrived I got the hamster spinning "you're not a serial killer are you??" text. I replied with "no and I really hope you're not a crazy cat lady". That seemed to calm her down and within a few minutes she texted me saying she was downstairs. I went down and greeted her and while she wasn't as hot as her photos she was certainly bangable. We went up to my apartment and I poured her some coffee. I immediately started touching her while we sat on my love seat and shot the shit. I found out that I was her first Tinder meetup and she hasn't dated in several years. She also gave off a pretty strong "I'm a good girl" vibe (she's 35). Nonetheless after about 15 minutes I went for the kiss and she shy pulled away and asked "Is it too soon?" I countered with "What? We're just kissing here" and she immediately got into it and a strong make out ensued.

Not to be a spoiler but I didn't get the bang. Every time the makeout would start to get hot she would pull away and say we needed to slow down. I would immediately sit back in my chair and begin talking about something else without missing a beat. 5-10 minutes later I would start again. The furthest I could get was feeling her boobs over her dress. Finally the clock ran out and she had to go pick up one of her kids from school.

Looking back I think I did everything I could to try and overcome the LMR but she was just not having any of it. I'll wait until the end of this week and reach out to her for another try but I'm not going to invest much in this.

However what's really great is that I didn't have to spend a dime on her, she came to my place and I didn't have to sacrifice an evening. Considering many of my dates ended up just like this after spending $40+ dollars and wasting a whole night I consider this a partial victory.

Post: #90

Good job-you did everything you could do.

Now she'll either freak out- "I went to a strange man's house and made out with him!" and you won't see her again, or she'll come back to get the dick in Round 2.

These 30's MILFs are kind of a specialty of mine. When she says she hasn't "dated" in several years that doesn't mean she hasn't had sex. A lot of single/divorced mothers like this get their rocks off with occasional casual sex on "girl's nights out" or on vacation, going to bars alone to get picked up, or meeting guys online that their friends never know about. So don't buy her "good girl" act. Plenty of those sweet seeming soccer moms are secret freaks. However, they have a lot of trouble keeping a boyfriend due to their kids, so they claim they don't "date." Would be interested to know how this plays out.

Post: #91

Just realized I've never repped you all this time. +1 done. I think you're spot on in your assessment. She gave off a very nervous yet thirsty vibe. I'm confident that if this meet had happened at night with alcohol and more time I could have secured the bang. Even though I came up short I'm feeling more sure of my LMR game.

Post: #92

Ive been using a zdm for about 8 years now. Id say 2/3 of the time result in bangs. I've only had one that turned into a fwb that i could bang whenever i wanted. Probably 10 that turned into trysts(2-5). Out of them all maybe 3 could have turned into ltrs if i wanted them. Dates generally have been a waste of time for me. Women are so hypersensitive to neediness and just want a fling these zdms don't stand much of a chance of turning into fwbs or gfs. I don't really try for time two anymore. Ill txt them in the morning then pretty much radio silence. I find its easier to get them to invite me over to her place. My methods vary from op. I will sexualize convos. Its ok to ask how long its been since they had any. If they are on the prudish side i will sneak in a comment about being a while since i got any to get the conversation going that way. I get a lot less lmr if its her idea to hang out, and the mo is almost always watching a movie. It usually doesn't take long once were cuddled up watching a movie for hands to wander. Trust ur gut if it doesn't feel right don't hang around. If you encounter any kind of resistance it won't work out.

Post: #93

So true. This shit really works. Just tried it with a 22 yr old online chick that I've been texting over past couple days.

me: how about we do drinks and a movie Thr night, your place
her: I'd like that! But I have roomates. How about we do drinks and a movie at your place instead?

and so I've just got cockblocked by logistics. I can't have her at my place due to my family situation so have to figure out how to transition it to "lets hang out at a hotel". Ideas welcome.

Post: #94

I have the same problem. Take her out to the park or some shit until your cockblocking family goes to sleep, then come home and sneak her up to your room.

Another option is to tell your family ahead of time that you're having a "friend" over to "study" later. That way there is no "shock factor" when you just show up with a girl in tow, and you will have disarmed their cockblockerry preemptively. Proceed as usual from there. At least try to appear as aloof and unaffected towards your living situation as possible, If she asks you about it hold frame and then change the subject to something else.

This Is what I've been doing, at least.

I don't know about the hotel suggestion. What if you book and pay for the room and she flakes/gets cold feet?

Post: #95

(05-04-2015 03:41 PM)wagmydog Wrote:  So true. This shit really works. Just tried it with a 22 yr old online chick that I've been texting over past couple days.

me: how about we do drinks and a movie Thr night, your place
her: I'd like that! But I have roomates. How about we do drinks and a movie at your place instead?

and so I've just got cockblocked by logistics. I can't have her at my place due to my family situation so have to figure out how to transition it to "lets hang out at a hotel". Ideas welcome.

This is tough, but don't limit your bang locations to places that have beds.

You could bang her in a car, in a bathroom, behind a tree, or really anywhere that is somewhat private. Check out the recent post from RVF member Spider in the "just had sex" thread, where he talks about banging a girl in a conference room at a hotel.

I would go semi-sexual with her to see how much she wants to fuck before you go forward with a logistically tricky plan, like trying to get her to a hotel.

Say something like "I have roommates too, and I don't want to make out with you in front of them. Let's walk around XYZ with a flask of whiskey, and we'll find a dark corner where we can make out."

I have used similar lines in the past, and it works. "Making out" is the key phrase here, since she knows what it really means, but it will make her giggle instead of setting off her slut alarm.

Post: #96

BlurredSevens - you speak the truth my brother. Attempted the bathroom in a bar route though she got cold feet and didn't follow me in. I kept escalating and when she was sufficiently wet and horny, took her to my car for the bang. +1

Post: #97

Ok guys here are some ZDB texting conversations from last week. This is how I get the girls to come over.

It should be noted that I had flirtatious conversations with both of these girls via text, so they know I have a sexual interest in them.

I banged both of these girls within about 1.5-2 hours once they came over.

Girl #1:
   

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And Girl #2:
   

Post: #98

BlurredSevens how are you meeting these girls? What do you look like? Just curious. Shocked by how friendly and compliant these girls are.

Post: #99

This great man. Especially for people who live nearby clubs/bars.

Post: #100

I must admit I cringed the slightest bit at the question "Are you excited to see me tonight?" From my perspective it seems like masked thirst/need from sparseness mentality. But the situation is what you make of it and clearly she didn't have a problem with it.

In the second, I like the frame. Clear, crisp, and decisive. You lay out the plan, you have everything set. She doesn't want to be a part of it? Her loss. That fact is what helped seal the deal for her in my mind.

Like Jaffna, I too would be curious to know the approach vector. Day game, night game, OL?