Post: #1

New to the forum. My inaugural post is quite complicated. Thanks for your patience:

Nice-looking married woman in the neighborhood hangs with my wife all the time. She's 46-47, has four kids. She also has a husband who makes a half mil., and still, she flirts with me like crazy (like innuendo-based conversation, plays footsie, etc.). I’m often surprised by all this, being that I’m a recovering beta male who’s in middle management. When her husband is home, she bad mouths him under her breath when he’s in the other room, and even gives him the finger…. I mean, it’s not playful; it’s ugly. AND, she once said to my wife: “If you die, I’m marrying your husband.”

So, the kids and wife go out of town for a long weekend. I stay home, and when I casually say I won’t be leaving, Mrs. Late 40s says “Really? Maybe I’ll have to come by and egg your house….” Well, she never came by, but we got into an avid, yet professional text exchange the last day I’m home alone. Not all that big of a deal, until I hear that she related said text exchange to my wife a few days later, making my wife a bit….. perturbed.

1. Is this nothing more than a menopausal vixen just wanting attention, b/c her hubby blows her off?
2. What’s the motivation for telling my wife about the texts, when you consider the massive flirting, dilated pupils, innuendo and body language?
3. Everyone I know says “Dude! Don’t walk….. RUN! FLEE!”

I simply want to know what this gal is doing. Why do I care? Because my wife verbally abused both me and my children for a number of months last winter and spring, and I’m curious as to what's available on the outside.

Post: #2

This ain't a good situation at all.

Your neighbor is making mischief, and there's no downside for her. (if she divorces the 500K a year husband, she gets the house, kids, and at least 250K - without working)

RUN.

Post: #3

She's a histrionic attention whore who is stirring up drama in other's lives to add excitement to her own. Yeah, go ahead and call me Captain Obvious.

Come on, man. You're "curious as to what's on the outside?" Are you looking for an excuse to have an affair with this witch? To me, it sounds like you're STILL a beta male.

Post: #4

(10-22-2008 07:02 PM)X-Factor Wrote:  She's a histrionic attention whore who is stirring up drama in other's lives to add excitement to her own. Yeah, go ahead and call me Captain Obvious.

Come on, man. You're "curious as to what's on the outside?" Are you looking for an excuse to have an affair with this witch? To me, it sounds like you're STILL a beta male.

-- Recovery is slow. But Rome wasn't built in a day. Thanks for the advice.

Post: #5

You're welcome.

I was going to use a bitch-slap emoticon, but Roosh doesn't have one.

Respect.

Post: #6

Look there's only one thing I have a very firm belief about and that's the sanctity of marriage. Yeah, not exactly the kind of thing we want to hear about here but if you're looking for a fling then you better at least separate from your wife. Also, it's not worth the risk of losing your kids being caught in infidelity, but that's completely up to you.

As far as the lady goes she's looking for attention most likely because she's not getting it from her husband. Does it sound like you can score a quicky with this chik? Of course, and I'd say the odds are very good with unhappily married, middled aged, women. Let's just be smart about this if you're going to cheat then don't do it with the freaking neighbor! Find some tart across town, or hire an ESCORT! You're almost guaranteed protection by doing that.

Post: #7

(10-23-2008 12:10 PM)Trotter Wrote:  Look there's only one thing I have a very firm belief about and that's the sanctity of marriage. Yeah, not exactly the kind of thing we want to hear about here but if you're looking for a fling then you better at least separate from your wife. Also, it's not worth the risk of losing your kids being caught in infidelity, but that's completely up to you.

Trotter, I've been down with the sanctity of marriage for 14 years, and have NEVER strayed. But for the last several months, when my wife sits around in bed half the day and then screams at the kids (and me) at the top of her lungs about the most trivial things..... well, every man has his breaking point. I understand the risk of being "too close to home." Thanks, man. (But, said risk factor can be a rush... yeah, how weak is that?)

Post: #8

I'm not a therapist, and I don't pretend to know what your circumstances have been like and what's already been tried. But if you haven't actually sought therapy then perhaps you and the wife should seek the help of a marriage counselor.

And if a rush is what you're looking for then just pay a professional. It's a lot safer and it'll give you a better overall perspective as to what you need. At least with the professional, as opposed to banging the neighbor, it's less likely to follow you back home.

My current gf's parents just divorced Nov of last year. Want to guess what happened? Take a wild guess...

There was a married couple that they always hung out with. Next thing you know her mom and the husband (and a father) of the other couple started banging (cheating). And guess what... it followed her home probably because they're always hanging out. Dad finds out and goes ballistic and now he lost the home and is paying spousal support to her and she was the one that cheated. Guess what... mom married the dude. That's right.

The guy and his wife divorced and it destroyed their family. So dad is supporting both his ex wife and that dude with the freaking spousal support. Dad now lives in a 1 bedroom shithole and mom sold the house and walked away with every penny of it. All on top of him paying her spousal support. Fortunately, all of the kids were pretty much out of the nest from both sides of the family.

Do you honestly want to risk infidelity following you home? Hire a hooker and play with less risk. And go to a counselor.

Post: #9

(10-23-2008 02:49 PM)Trotter Wrote:  I'm not a therapist, and I don't pretend to know what your circumstances have been like and what's already been tried. But if you haven't actually sought therapy then perhaps you and the wife should seek the help of a marriage counselor.

And if a rush is what you're looking for then just pay a professional. It's a lot safer and it'll give you a better overall perspective as to what you need. At least with the professional, as opposed to banging the neighbor, it's less likely to follow you back home.

My current gf's parents just divorced Nov of last year. Want to guess what happened? Take a wild guess...

There was a married couple that they always hung out with. Next thing you know her mom and the husband (and a father) of the other couple started banging (cheating). And guess what... it followed her home probably because they're always hanging out. Dad finds out and goes ballistic and now he lost the home and is paying spousal support to her and she was the one that cheated. Guess what... mom married the dude. That's right.

The guy and his wife divorced and it destroyed their family. So dad is supporting both his ex wife and that dude with the freaking spousal support. Dad now lives in a 1 bedroom shithole and mom sold the house and walked away with every penny of it. All on top of him paying her spousal support. Fortunately, all of the kids were pretty much out of the nest from both sides of the family.

Do you honestly want to risk infidelity following you home? Hire a hooker and play with less risk. And go to a counselor.

Trotter--what does your gf make of this whole mess? Is she pissed off at her mom?

To the original poster--do you love your kids? What would they think if they found out you were banging your neighbor? Like others I say just go with an escort.

Post: #10

Oh, it destroyed her and her brother. Till this day her brother refuses to communicate with the mom. The other family... well... they're just all emotionally done. I should also mention that her dad ended up banging the other wife after the divorce was done. But it wasn't what he thought it would be.

Post: #11

(10-23-2008 02:49 PM)Trotter Wrote:  And if a rush is what you're looking for then just pay a professional. It's a lot safer and it'll give you a better overall perspective as to what you need. At least with the professional, as opposed to banging the neighbor, it's less likely to follow you back home.

^^Yup, learn from Bill Clinton. (but not Spitzer)
Get yourself a professional. No fuss, no muss.

Post: #12

To the original poster--do you love your kids? What would they think if they found out you were banging your neighbor? Like others I say just go with an escort.
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Yes, I love the kids dearly, and I wouldn't want to jeopardize their well-being. I'm just flummoxed by her motivation, i.e. her hubby is one of the most accomplished people I know, and (not to get all beta here) I've still got a few rungs to climb on the career ladder. Yet, there she is, making me something to eat while she flips her man the bird.

Many thanks for y'all's patience....

Post: #13

Yo Trotter,

That is some seriously facked up shit right there. I don't want to derail the OP, but I think Trotter's anecdote exemplifies how a man in the United States is not protected at all under current marriage laws. As such, I've always advocated against marriage for the modern western man. Of course there are women out there that would make wonderful wives, but they just don't live in the U.S.

That is just absolutely tragic.


To the OP:
I'm no Freud, but it's clear to everyone here what is happening. Do yourself a favor. Go out and get some marriage counseling. Who gives a fuck about this bitch's motivation? Why are YOU so concerned with her motivation? She is clearly in need of professional psychiatric help. You're wondering to yourself, "But I'm just a middle management guy. Why is she interested in ME?" That is classic AFC thinking right there.

Keep at it, my man. You'll kill that inner bitch soon enough.

Post: #14

Leo: yep, it's weird. Accomplishments in the career, financial, intellectual, etc. sense just don't get you squat when it comes to women. The bouncer at a bar with no education, money, or opportunities for career advancement is thought of as "higher status" by many women than a guy who's worked hard and been responsible his whole life to get a good education, advance in his job, and save money.

I'd be lying if I didn't say that I have a bit of a chip on my shoulder about this topic, because that's exactly what I did in my life for my first 26 years. Those are the values I was raised on: study hard, work hard, and you will succeed in life. I have a degree from a top school, I have plenty of money, I run my own business, I've never gotten in trouble with the law, I am in perfect health and great physical shape. Everything is great... except for one thing: there are currently no women in my life.

It's not a healthy society, but it's the society we've got.

Post: #15

Women will be flocking towards once you hit your mid 30's. Once they've been used up and abused from having their fun they'll see they pretty muched screwed up their lives and will be looking for mister security blanket. It's the way of things, the law of the lands, the reality of it.

Just hope that you'll be lucky enough to find one that still has her looks, no kids, and never been married.

Post: #16

I know a single guy who's in his late 40s. Similar situation to me except he's 20 years older. He has thinning hair and could stand to lose his glasses, but otherwise he's a catch. He's worth about $6M, he has a good job at the same company I used to work at, he works out and has a flat stomach, he even owns a 40-acre "campground" property with 5 cabins and a main hall an hour outside town. Of course he has no patience for the kind of woman who would take advantage of him for his money. He was married 20 years ago and divorced way back but has no kids (he hates kids). His opinion of marriage is extremely negative.

His complaint about the women he meets (mostly from online, I think) is that they're all washed-up divorcees with kids. I'd use the term "slim pickings", but that'd be wrong given how many are obese.

Post: #17

(10-23-2008 04:00 PM)X-Factor Wrote:  To the OP:
I'm no Freud, but it's clear to everyone here what is happening. Do yourself a favor. Go out and get some marriage counseling. Who gives a fuck about this bitch's motivation? Why are YOU so concerned with her motivation? She is clearly in need of professional psychiatric help. You're wondering to yourself, "But I'm just a middle management guy. Why is she interested in ME?" That is classic AFC thinking right there.

Keep at it, my man. You'll kill that inner bitch soon enough.

Thanks for the motivation. I don't mean to be dense, but can you give the newbie the definition of AFC, please? Thx.

Post: #18

(10-23-2008 04:05 PM)Trotter Wrote:  Women will be flocking towards once you hit your mid 30's. Once they've been used up and abused from having their fun they'll see they pretty muched screwed up their lives and will be looking for mister security blanket.

While men are busy building their kingdom, women are busy looking for a king.

Don't get wrong. I LOVE women. I like the way (most) of them smell, the lines of their bodies, the way they expose their neck with their hair up, their soft and delicate features, and most of all, I like their hooey.

I am NOT a misogynist. I'm a pragmatist. I just think that women have really screwed themselves regarding marriage and relationships. My ex gf was like that. She was my age, 31, but had hopped from state to state and job to job while racking up serious educational and credit card debt. She continued to party and spend money she didn't have. Classic example of a washed up party girl at 31.

(side note: I had known her since middle school, and didn't realize that is how she had turned out after all these years. She was really good at hiding that shit.)

Post: #19

(10-23-2008 04:21 PM)LeoTheLip Wrote:  Thanks for the motivation. I don't mean to be dense, but can you give the newbie the definition of AFC, please? Thx.

Sorry brother.


Check your email.

Post: #20

(10-23-2008 04:11 PM)zorgon Wrote:  I know a single guy who's in his late 40s. Similar situation to me except he's 20 years older. He has thinning hair and could stand to lose his glasses, but otherwise he's a catch. He's worth about $6M, he has a good job at the same company I used to work at, he works out and has a flat stomach, he even owns a 40-acre "campground" property with 5 cabins and a main hall an hour outside town. Of course he has no patience for the kind of woman who would take advantage of him for his money. He was married 20 years ago and divorced way back but has no kids (he hates kids). His opinion of marriage is extremely negative.

His complaint about the women he meets (mostly from online, I think) is that they're all washed-up divorcees with kids. I'd use the term "slim pickings", but that'd be wrong given how many are obese.

Last thing: Why the hell would my wife relay that crazy comment from Mrs. Late 40s? If a guy told me that if I died, he'd marry my wife, I'd tell him to F off. Probably wouldn't pass the comment along, either.

Post: #21

The fact that you came here wondering about her motivations leads me to believe you truly do want to fuck her, and are hoping the guys here give you advice on how to do that. Though you can't make yourself ask directly.

Post: #22

(10-26-2008 08:25 PM)Roosh Wrote:  The fact that you came here wondering about her motivations leads me to believe you truly do want to fuck her, and are hoping the guys here give you advice on how to do that. Though you can't make yourself ask directly.

There's no doubt that some of that "hope" factors into my thoughts... the revenge factor. But that's just never been my M.O., so I'll try to be the bigger person and stay the f away from her. Thanks for being perfectly frank, though.

Post: #23

No problem. If you do want that advice i'm sure we'll have something.

Post: #24

(10-27-2008 11:50 PM)Roosh Wrote:  No problem. If you do want that advice i'm sure we'll have something.

OK, I relent: The battle for self respect is getting the best of me lately. For Halloween, I had this pimp hat and glasses, but Mrs. Late 40s was hanging out at our house, and had me follow her to her place so she could "embellish" the costume. I mean, she's clipping earrings on me, giving me her fur stoles to wear around my neck, and her hubby's old white suit, etc. (To her credit, she had me looking truly pimpy.) Gratuitous kino too, like aggressively bumping into me in front of her closet, etc. Of course, she subsequently dressed my wife up as a ho, but..... WTF? If there wasn't the dangerous proximity, I'd feel in like Flynn, but I'm almost thinking that I'm being set up, actually.

I'll steel myself for the beatdown.

Post: #25

It sounds to me like she is definately messing with your world. You really need to distance yourself from those people, she is trying to make an excuse to piss her husband off and divorce him, screw you cuz she wants to, and fuck your world up royaly because she has nothing to lose and she wants to bring you down with her. It sounds like a bad case of "desperate houswives". So you need to make things better with your lady if you want to, and stop talking to this bitch cuz all of the intentions she has only favor her and her alone, everyone else is fuked except for her cuz she gets to live off yours and her ex hubbies mistakes so DONT DO IT MAN! its not worth it.