Post: #126

The thing is so many Americans are fat from food and look big with a shirt on. Big as in big arms, big back, etc but no muscle. Of course girls dont know and assume a big , fatguy who never works out is stronger than a small framed guy whos actually stronger but looks a lot smaller with clothes.

Post: #127

(09-26-2013 05:41 AM)Fredster Wrote:  Well I live in Australia, and pretty much everyone is big here, height wise. Average height here is 6'1, like the Nordic regions of Europe. Girls expect you to be tall. The chicks do constantly bring up my height . I am competing with 6'0+ guys at bars/clubs.
But I know it is that feeling of security I need to create, so this meansI need ot work on presense.

So what do I do physical looks wise ?
I'm 5'4.
Do I aim to get jacked or do I look to get moderate muscle ?

You want to look athletic - meaning muscular AND lean. Jacked to me makes you look fat in clothes. But most of all, you want to be *strong*. Being stronger than the bigger guys will help your confidence a crazy lot.

Post: #128

Yeah I agree with that sentiment Houston - so many big-framed fat fuckers walk around like they're Arnie even though they're weak as kittens. Just today in Walmart there was a guy in cutoffs (chicken calves) with man tits and a beer belly walking around with his arms splayed out and his shoulders shrugged up like his lats and traps were huge (?!?). Pretty hilarious. I should have pointed and laughed.

Post: #129

(10-27-2013 09:38 PM)Hades Wrote:  Yeah I agree with that sentiment Houston - so many big-framed fat fuckers walk around like they're Arnie even though they're weak as kittens. Just today in Walmart there was a guy in cutoffs (chicken calves) with man tits and a beer belly walking around with his arms splayed out and his shoulders shrugged up like his lats and traps were huge (?!?). Pretty hilarious. I should have pointed and laughed.

Well on the other hand I do believe soup is right in saying body language is #1. Meaning that even if you are carrying some extra fat you need to "own it" and carry it with confidence.

It does seem to me that a lot of American girls dig the big and burly look, kind of like an ex football or baseball player who is now a bit out of shape. In other words looking "strong" is more important than having "abs". Am I wrong about that idea? Obviously having both is better. This preference of body shape could differ by demographic/scene/urban vs. rural I guess. In the the music/hipster crowd it seems like being thin is key.

Post: #130

Thats what im saying. A good chunk t of girls prefer a guy whos big off of junk food but cant do 5 pull ups versus a Bruce Lee or Henry Rollins body type. A lot of those guys who dont work out or do hard labor are weak as fuck. Just challenge them to a push up or pull up contest.

Post: #131

(10-28-2013 07:09 PM)houston Wrote:  Thats what im saying. A good chunk t of girls prefer a guy whos big off of junk food but cant do 5 pull ups versus a Bruce Lee or Henry Rollins body type. A lot of those guys who dont work out or do hard labor are weak as fuck. Just challenge them to a push up or pull up contest.

Man, it sounds like it is so different where you are compared to NYC.

Post: #132

(10-27-2013 07:35 PM)Marlfox Wrote:  How many guys are actually 'jacked' though? With high muscle mass and low body fat... 1%? Walk down an average street; even in countries like England, America or Australia where there is a large gym culture, where the men are bigger on average and actually make a note of how few stand out.

Give a consistent weightlifting program/diet a bit of time and you'll be in better shape and more impressive than the vast majority of men.

I believe its still important in Europe, and more so in the other Anglo countries (UK, AUS, NZ, CAN, SA) but just a bit less important than it is in America.

England has a huge gym culture? What Fitness First lol
North Americans are generally bigger than most people, some from muscle but mostly from fat.

Post: #133

(10-28-2013 08:30 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(10-27-2013 07:35 PM)Marlfox Wrote:  How many guys are actually 'jacked' though? With high muscle mass and low body fat... 1%? Walk down an average street; even in countries like England, America or Australia where there is a large gym culture, where the men are bigger on average and actually make a note of how few stand out.

Give a consistent weightlifting program/diet a bit of time and you'll be in better shape and more impressive than the vast majority of men.

I believe its still important in Europe, and more so in the other Anglo countries (UK, AUS, NZ, CAN, SA) but just a bit less important than it is in America.

England has a huge gym culture? What Fitness First lol
North Americans are generally bigger than most people, some from muscle but mostly from fat.

Yeah I would say so (although I said large not huge). I don't mean to say that the average Englishman is in great shape, but the number of body-builders, power lifters and the number of men who lift weights consistently is high per capita and that the Anglo countries are amongst the highest with America being the first.

Post: #134

(10-27-2013 08:47 PM)Doctore Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 05:41 AM)Fredster Wrote:  Well I live in Australia, and pretty much everyone is big here, height wise. Average height here is 6'1, like the Nordic regions of Europe. Girls expect you to be tall. The chicks do constantly bring up my height . I am competing with 6'0+ guys at bars/clubs.
But I know it is that feeling of security I need to create, so this meansI need ot work on presense.

So what do I do physical looks wise ?
I'm 5'4.
Do I aim to get jacked or do I look to get moderate muscle ?

You want to look athletic - meaning muscular AND lean. Jacked to me makes you look fat in clothes. But most of all, you want to be *strong*. Being stronger than the bigger guys will help your confidence a crazy lot.

I'm 5'4, how much do I need to weigh so I know I have enough muscle, assuming I'll also be lean ? I need to look good in a shirt so chicks will get attracted.

Post: #135

(10-30-2013 07:52 AM)Fredster Wrote:  

(10-27-2013 08:47 PM)Doctore Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 05:41 AM)Fredster Wrote:  Well I live in Australia, and pretty much everyone is big here, height wise. Average height here is 6'1, like the Nordic regions of Europe. Girls expect you to be tall. The chicks do constantly bring up my height . I am competing with 6'0+ guys at bars/clubs.
But I know it is that feeling of security I need to create, so this meansI need ot work on presense.

So what do I do physical looks wise ?
I'm 5'4.
Do I aim to get jacked or do I look to get moderate muscle ?

You want to look athletic - meaning muscular AND lean. Jacked to me makes you look fat in clothes. But most of all, you want to be *strong*. Being stronger than the bigger guys will help your confidence a crazy lot.

I'm 5'4, how much do I need to weigh so I know I have enough muscle, assuming I'll also be lean ? I need to look good in a shirt so chicks will get attracted.

Post: #136

A "big" thread just turned into a "height" thread.

Post: #137

(10-30-2013 10:43 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  A "big" thread just turned into a "height" thread.

It's like Godwin's Law.

Post: #138

Not necessarily height trolling (maybe?)...

I know there are all kinds of bodybuilding ratios/charts for this kind of question. For example:

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_arti...in_awesome

Quote:One of the (very few) benefits of being a short guy is that you tend to be more successful in muscle-building endeavors. Not only are you blessed with a shorter ROM (allowing bigger weights to be used) and put muscle on faster, muscle also looks bigger on you.

Put another way, less muscle is necessary to make a shorter frame look muscular.

On the other hand, a taller guy will need to gain a significant amount more muscle, and usually achieve a greater level of development, to appear equally muscular.

I know I've seen the golden ratio, shoulders to waist, etc. discussed in other threads here...