Post: #51

(09-15-2013 04:43 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  Seriously what the hell is the point of shooting yourself up with steroids and dedicating so much time and effort to get huge?

NEVER understood this.

People say it's about the challenge about achieving great things but jesus, why the need to achieve this? Can't you achieve something besides becoming larger? Martial arts, music, languages, travel, money, knowledge, charisma, dancing, there are tons of things to pursue and achieve and challenge yourself with besides this.

Seems like huge insecurities about looks manifesting themselves. I'm sure guys using gear will jump all over me calling me a pussy for not being huge, talking about the dedication, but seriously, wtf are you trying to prove here? Why do you need to be beyond gigantic? What is the fucking point of lifting all this weight up and down? Is it just to post shirtless pics on facebook? Seems insane.

My cousin thinks like this.

Doesn't understand why people lift weights, or box, or do Jiu Jitsu, or dress well, and likes to shame people who do.

He also gets zero pussy and is a coward that no one respects. I think it goes hand in hand with the thought process above.

Post: #52

(09-15-2013 06:03 PM)Fisto Wrote:  MikeCF - what's the cost of anavar (roundabout) and how do you cycle it etc?

I'm about to start training hard again and I want to recover as quickly as possible and minimize injury etc. You know the drill.

I'm not crazy about the idea of shooting test for some reason, it's probably just my understanding of it but I feel like mine is through the roof as is...

What's a low level of GH?

Not Mike but like Mike said, a majority of the var on the market today is fake, those of us who have been around for a while and used the legit var by Spa out of Italy with the 2.5mg tabs, know it takes little quality var to go a long way, 30mg used to be plenty for us and would tunnel your abs out it was sick. This shit on the market today even the pharma grade isn't of the same quality, a guy needs a significant dose and personally I wouldn't bother with it as a guy. ROI isn't worth the price. BB'er doses are anywhere from 50mg to 100mg per day. Most guys try to keep oral use to short runs but var is easy on the liver while not as easy on the hdl/ldl that will bounce back post blast. Runs can be anywhere between 4 and 10 weeks, given that you don't seem to run much else I'd start at least 8 weeks, so lets go right in the middle 70mg per day. You'll find some cheaper some more expensive but around 200 bucks for an ug lab variety, pharma grade like 900 bucks unless you've got a script.

Low level of gh is dependent on the goal, anti aging recovery for a guy 2-3 ius....for growth 4ius and up in conjunction with slin and aas. Assuming you're over 30...under 30 you'd need higher doses to facilitate growth.

As for shooting test, when you're using orals, or other products you will shut down your own natural test production so despite your test being above average now, give it a little time on some aas and you'll be dying for a little exogenous test.

Post: #53

^ What mikeymike said. (mikemike actually knows a little bit more about this stuff than I do.)

Post: #54

(09-15-2013 08:04 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(09-15-2013 04:43 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  Seriously what the hell is the point of shooting yourself up with steroids and dedicating so much time and effort to get huge?

NEVER understood this.

People say it's about the challenge about achieving great things but jesus, why the need to achieve this? Can't you achieve something besides becoming larger? Martial arts, music, languages, travel, money, knowledge, charisma, dancing, there are tons of things to pursue and achieve and challenge yourself with besides this.

Seems like huge insecurities about looks manifesting themselves. I'm sure guys using gear will jump all over me calling me a pussy for not being huge, talking about the dedication, but seriously, wtf are you trying to prove here? Why do you need to be beyond gigantic? What is the fucking point of lifting all this weight up and down? Is it just to post shirtless pics on facebook? Seems insane.

My cousin thinks like this.

Doesn't understand why people lift weights, or box, or do Jiu Jitsu, or dress well, and likes to shame people who do.

He also gets zero pussy and is a coward that no one respects. I think it goes hand in hand with the thought process above.

I don't see why insecurities are a bad thing if you're working on them. If a bodybuilder feels ugly or bad about his physique but is outlifting and is bigger everybody who's "secure with their body-image", who is the real winner here? Once that guy is at such an elite level that he looks around for his peers and sees practically nobody, isn't the complex bound to unravel itself once he understands his own greatness?

Roosh is a great example about this, he said that he had a lot of insecurities about being a man and he even went out and asked people on youtube to give him another complex so he can achieve more great success in his life. Look what he's accomplished as a result.

Post: #55

(09-15-2013 04:43 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  Seems like huge insecurities about looks manifesting themselves. I'm sure guys using gear will jump all over me calling me a pussy for not being huge, talking about the dedication, but seriously, wtf are you trying to prove here?

Weightlifting, bodybuilding, powerlifting, crossfit, etc etc, are SPORTS

Just as involved as golf, bowling, fishing, or whatever the hell else men do to pass the time and attain results.

I know lots of people who feel the way you do and thats fine, but behind that criticism they will always know they are physically weaker individuals. Call me crazy, or say that I have 'insecurities', but its actually very rewarding to squat double my bodyweight and do 20 consecutive pull-ups. You are quick to say its vanity or whatnot, but the is truth most people involved in these sports are highly motivated, educated and high earning individuals. Doctors, lawyers, business execs, pro-athletes, cops, firemen, military, professors, students, etc make up my gym, they must all need approval from women. Its a passion like anything else, and a very respectable one.

Post: #56

(09-15-2013 08:38 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(09-15-2013 06:03 PM)Fisto Wrote:  MikeCF - what's the cost of anavar (roundabout) and how do you cycle it etc?

I'm about to start training hard again and I want to recover as quickly as possible and minimize injury etc. You know the drill.

I'm not crazy about the idea of shooting test for some reason, it's probably just my understanding of it but I feel like mine is through the roof as is...

What's a low level of GH?

Not Mike but like Mike said, a majority of the var on the market today is fake, those of us who have been around for a while and used the legit var by Spa out of Italy with the 2.5mg tabs, know it takes little quality var to go a long way, 30mg used to be plenty for us and would tunnel your abs out it was sick. This shit on the market today even the pharma grade isn't of the same quality, a guy needs a significant dose and personally I wouldn't bother with it as a guy. ROI isn't worth the price. BB'er doses are anywhere from 50mg to 100mg per day. Most guys try to keep oral use to short runs but var is easy on the liver while not as easy on the hdl/ldl that will bounce back post blast. Runs can be anywhere between 4 and 10 weeks, given that you don't seem to run much else I'd start at least 8 weeks, so lets go right in the middle 70mg per day. You'll find some cheaper some more expensive but around 200 bucks for an ug lab variety, pharma grade like 900 bucks unless you've got a script.

Low level of gh is dependent on the goal, anti aging recovery for a guy 2-3 ius....for growth 4ius and up in conjunction with slin and aas. Assuming you're over 30...under 30 you'd need higher doses to facilitate growth.

As for shooting test, when you're using orals, or other products you will shut down your own natural test production so despite your test being above average now, give it a little time on some aas and you'll be dying for a little exogenous test.

Just curious what you meant by exogenous test?

Post: #57

(09-15-2013 09:44 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Just curious what you meant by exogenous test?

endogenous = your body makes it
exogenous = its from an outside source

if you're pinning and you're not using test, you're gonna want to add exogenous test to the cycle cause testosterone is so key to your overall moods, etc.

Post: #58

(09-15-2013 08:38 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  As for shooting test, when you're using orals, or other products you will shut down your own natural test production so despite your test being above average now, give it a little time on some aas and you'll be dying for a little exogenous test.

mikey, I am 21. I feel right now, I don't need exogenous test. Especially after hearing from a buddy that taking test at a young age fucks with testosterone production. He did say that when his testosterone production begins to drop off at 30 or so, he would definitely get into taking things like TRT.

Is that the best route?

Post: #59

Mikeymike

I'm 35 but I don't want to start screwing with my chemistry by taking test and all that stuff. It scares me. I've never taken steroids before.

I had shoulder surgery almost 2 years ago and I've never gotten back to the fitness level I was at. I was on most of the leader boards in the top 5 in my crossfit gym.

I want to get back to that kind of shape so recovery is my main concern, I want to hit it hard over the next 3 months and have energy.

Post: #60

(09-15-2013 10:29 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

(09-15-2013 08:38 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  As for shooting test, when you're using orals, or other products you will shut down your own natural test production so despite your test being above average now, give it a little time on some aas and you'll be dying for a little exogenous test.

mikey, I am 21. I feel right now, I don't need exogenous test. Especially after hearing from a buddy that taking test at a young age fucks with testosterone production. He did say that when his testosterone production begins to drop off at 30 or so, he would definitely get into taking things like TRT.

Is that the best route?

Your friend is half right, test young can fuck with test production but any aas will fuck with your hpta so if you think you get a pass by using primo with no test for example you dont...by 21 your hpta should be mature enough to handle moderate test and aas doses and bounce back...its the extended heavy use and blasting and cruising that youd be more concerned about, at that age. And by concerned...the worst Ive seen out of guys who started use young and used for extended time frames (years) was a necessity to be on trt for life but that didnt hurt their ability to father children or anything to that degree so likely worst case scenario trt for life (tho most guys over 30 should be looking at that anyway), long shot worst case scenario inability to father kids, again never seen it but I dont want to say that there is 0 chance of that. Taking trt doses of test while using other compounds won't be likely to cause you any issues. There is always the chance you're an outlier in terms of shutdown but there is no way of predicting that and I wouldn't work on the premise that you were. Test will be a part of every blast you run, even if its only in small part so if you're not ready to take the test plunge you're not ready for aas as of yet. If you want to negate the risk, tho the risk is highly overstated, then the longer you wait to use the better.

Post: #61

(09-15-2013 08:04 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  My cousin thinks like this.

Doesn't understand why people lift weights, or box, or do Jiu Jitsu, or dress well, and likes to shame people who do.

He also gets zero pussy and is a coward that no one respects. I think it goes hand in hand with the thought process above.

To be clear, I go to the gym, play in a band, speak multiple languages, travel, dress well, get pussy, etc. I understand wanting to achieve things, wanting to grow as a person, wanting to become better.

I don't understand the obsessive effort that goes into extreme bodybuilding though. Going to the gym, being fit, doing a martial art, these are all rewarding things that make your life richer.

But to take it to the extreme where you're shooting up to get even bigger and basically dedicating your entire life to gym and eating, that you're basically losing your life. It's like a guy working in finance doing 18 hour days. He's making tons of money but has no chance to enjoy it.

I have friends doing that in finance, basically ruining their lives for the goal of getting money. They got money, but they're miserable.

I see it as basically the same thing. Going back to the original post, the guy was talking about shooting himself up multiple times a day, how he doesn't like going IV, how he eats until he wants to throw up, and none of it seemed enjoyable.

Post: #62

(09-15-2013 11:06 PM)Fisto Wrote:  Mikeymike

I'm 35 but I don't want to start screwing with my chemistry by taking test and all that stuff. It scares me. I've never taken steroids before.

I had shoulder surgery almost 2 years ago and I've never gotten back to the fitness level I was at. I was on most of the leader boards in the top 5 in my crossfit gym.

I want to get back to that kind of shape so recovery is my main concern, I want to hit it hard over the next 3 months and have energy.

lol the fear is evident, but you gotta get all the bullshit you've heard about aas out of your head, it's not the big bad that mainstream society wants you to believe it is. There is nothing you take you can't recover from in very short order ( hpta shutdown mainly, minor liver stress if using orals et ) unless you get into the serious abuse of liver toxic compounds but for your goals your needs would be so minor that your body would just feel fresher, younger and stronger with little in the way of sides.

As for compounds you should be looking at, for recovery nothing beats gh but it's expensive and requires time to build, best used for a min of 3 months and the longer you go the better it gets but for 3iu a day, youd be looking at between 700-1000 bucks a month. Thats for real fda gh, none of that generic garbage out of china that doesnt do anything and fucks with your health. So its a costly investment and not one everybody is wanting to make but if you got the cash, there isnt much better for your general quality of life and keeping you looking and feeling young than gh.

aside from that

Test, a little will go a long way trt doses are between 100mg and 300mg, on the high end your body would produce roughly 105 mg of test per week, 1 poke a week and you've more than doubled that. 500mg a week is plenty for a first go. Test is dirt cheap but you gotta inject.

test and gh are about all you need for your particular goals. If you dont want the gh then test alone would aid in recovery and help with workouts and getting to a higher level of fitness...if you wanted a further edge and wanted to add more you could look to:

Eq if you want increased endurance and want to look leaner and more vascular, side is youll want to eat everything in sight. Inject.

If you joints are really bad and could use some joint relief then a nandro could be added in but thats the most youd want to use.

All the injects are cheap.

Stuff like var, turinabol are going to cause major pumps and in anything that requires movement theyre a negative. Theyre fine for bb'ing as a pump in your chest is great but in something active like crossfit pumps in your calves and shins are a bitch. As such id avoid the orals.

Post: #63

Mike,

I'm about to turn 29 and have cheap/easy access to test, as far as I know, living here in Bangkok.

I've been meaning to go to the hospital and get my levels checked, but I don't really know much about it.

Can you recommend a good resource for a beginner who is looking into TRT? I don't really know what to look for, ask my doctor, potential complications, things I should know about TRT and long term use, that kind of shit.

Do you have a TRT 101 type of site/article you could link me to?

Also, is all test created equal? Should I be wary of test from pharmacies here in BKK, as opposed to pharmacies in the US?

Thanks.

Post: #64

(09-16-2013 10:41 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  Mike,

I'm about to turn 29 and have cheap/easy access to test, as far as I know, living here in Bangkok.

I've been meaning to go to the hospital and get my levels checked, but I don't really know much about it.

Can you recommend a good resource for a beginner who is looking into TRT? I don't really know what to look for, ask my doctor, potential complications, things I should know about TRT and long term use, that kind of shit.

Do you have a TRT 101 type of site/article you could link me to?

Also, is all test created equal? Should I be wary of test from pharmacies here in BKK, as opposed to pharmacies in the US?

Thanks.

rio:

http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_...ilding_trt

That forum is well run and has lots of great info in the stickies.

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/

this also has great information

Post: #65

(09-16-2013 10:41 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  Mike,

I'm about to turn 29 and have cheap/easy access to test, as far as I know, living here in Bangkok.

I've been meaning to go to the hospital and get my levels checked, but I don't really know much about it.

Can you recommend a good resource for a beginner who is looking into TRT? I don't really know what to look for, ask my doctor, potential complications, things I should know about TRT and long term use, that kind of shit.

Do you have a TRT 101 type of site/article you could link me to?

Also, is all test created equal? Should I be wary of test from pharmacies here in BKK, as opposed to pharmacies in the US?

Thanks.

I don't know what the process is like in Thailand, getting on trt in the us or canada is simple, visit your gp or hrt clinic, just complain about lack of libido, lack of energy, say youd like to get your test levels checked if you check low theyll put you on trt. You'd have to visit a doc in thailand and ask him to get your test levels checked and see if theyd prescribe but being in thailand everything is legal so you dont even need a script till you get back to the us you can take care of it yourself. As far as potential sides, trt doses are about optimizing test levels so sides wouldn't be anything too outside what you normally feel, its when you go too far outside trt doses that you need to worry about sides. The only complication with trt to an otherwise healthy male who has normal test production ranges is that you will shut down your own test production so while youre old enough that you could get off trt if you chose and recover your hpta you should probably be looking at this as a life time decision so once you start poking you're gonna keep poking, so become ok with that idea. I dont have any trt related lit I could pass ya on to, it would just be a google search the same as what youd do, Im prescribed trt by my doc so Im well versed with it.

Re: tests being equal, there are various test esters, prop, phenyl prop, enanthate, cypionate, undecanoate and on and on, an ester to simplify just determines how long a compound stays in the body. A prop is a short ester thus it needs to be pinned optimally everyday, whereas a enanthate a couple times a week, so trt is usually done with a long ester to cut down on pinning. Usually a cypionate tho I prefer an enanthate.

If your test is prescribed it wont matter if its from thailand or the us as itll have to have past some sort of standard. If its not prescribed you run the gambit in thailand, underground labs, pharma grade, fakes, theres lots of everything going around but its russian roulette as to whether its legit or not, I got some great stuff from there, some stuff that knotted me up for days on end and some stuff that was straight up bunk, better to order it online and ship it in, not any issue in thailand and what most of the bb'ers who vacation in thailand do unless they know a good hook up. The only other thing to watch out for in thailand is a lot of the ug labs use eo as a carrier, which is either an issue or not, if youre allergic as I am itll cause rashes and swelling, if youre not its smooth gear only way to know is to try it. Meditech I believe is eo and regularly carried in pharmacies there.

Post: #66

i'm on 100mg / week test cyp

has me at about 900

i tested three times under 300 back in feb or so

changed the way i feel dramatically

if you dont feel like shit already, then TRT is not for you. but, if you want blast, thats a different story.

i never touched AAS until i was Rx'ed TRT. but now that i'm on TRT anyhow, the biggest risk factor (in my mind - which was HPTA shut down) was removed from the equation. many more doors open to me now

Post: #67

(09-16-2013 11:23 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(09-16-2013 10:41 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  Mike,

I'm about to turn 29 and have cheap/easy access to test, as far as I know, living here in Bangkok.

I've been meaning to go to the hospital and get my levels checked, but I don't really know much about it.

Can you recommend a good resource for a beginner who is looking into TRT? I don't really know what to look for, ask my doctor, potential complications, things I should know about TRT and long term use, that kind of shit.

Do you have a TRT 101 type of site/article you could link me to?

Also, is all test created equal? Should I be wary of test from pharmacies here in BKK, as opposed to pharmacies in the US?

Thanks.

I don't know what the process is like in Thailand, getting on trt in the us or canada is simple, visit your gp or hrt clinic, just complain about lack of libido, lack of energy, say youd like to get your test levels checked if you check low theyll put you on trt. You'd have to visit a doc in thailand and ask him to get your test levels checked and see if theyd prescribe but being in thailand everything is legal so you dont even need a script till you get back to the us you can take care of it yourself. As far as potential sides, trt doses are about optimizing test levels so sides wouldn't be anything too outside what you normally feel, its when you go too far outside trt doses that you need to worry about sides. The only complication with trt to an otherwise healthy male who has normal test production ranges is that you will shut down your own test production so while youre old enough that you could get off trt if you chose and recover your hpta you should probably be looking at this as a life time decision so once you start poking you're gonna keep poking, so become ok with that idea. I dont have any trt related lit I could pass ya on to, it would just be a google search the same as what youd do, Im prescribed trt by my doc so Im well versed with it.

Re: tests being equal, there are various test esters, prop, phenyl prop, enanthate, cypionate, undecanoate and on and on, an ester to simplify just determines how long a compound stays in the body. A prop is a short ester thus it needs to be pinned optimally everyday, whereas a enanthate a couple times a week, so trt is usually done with a long ester to cut down on pinning. Usually a cypionate tho I prefer an enanthate.

If your test is prescribed it wont matter if its from thailand or the us as itll have to have past some sort of standard. If its not prescribed you run the gambit in thailand, underground labs, pharma grade, fakes, theres lots of everything going around but its russian roulette as to whether its legit or not, I got some great stuff from there, some stuff that knotted me up for days on end and some stuff that was straight up bunk, better to order it online and ship it in, not any issue in thailand and what most of the bb'ers who vacation in thailand do unless they know a good hook up. The only other thing to watch out for in thailand is a lot of the ug labs use eo as a carrier, which is either an issue or not, if youre allergic as I am itll cause rashes and swelling, if youre not its smooth gear only way to know is to try it. Meditech I believe is eo and regularly carried in pharmacies there.

Great info mikeymike. In regards to the bolded part, what happens if I go in and test normal/high and they say I don't need any injections. Any alternatives?

Post: #68

(09-16-2013 12:00 PM)JohnKreese Wrote:  

(09-16-2013 11:23 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(09-16-2013 10:41 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  Mike,

I'm about to turn 29 and have cheap/easy access to test, as far as I know, living here in Bangkok.

I've been meaning to go to the hospital and get my levels checked, but I don't really know much about it.

Can you recommend a good resource for a beginner who is looking into TRT? I don't really know what to look for, ask my doctor, potential complications, things I should know about TRT and long term use, that kind of shit.

Do you have a TRT 101 type of site/article you could link me to?

Also, is all test created equal? Should I be wary of test from pharmacies here in BKK, as opposed to pharmacies in the US?

Thanks.

I don't know what the process is like in Thailand, getting on trt in the us or canada is simple, visit your gp or hrt clinic, just complain about lack of libido, lack of energy, say youd like to get your test levels checked if you check low theyll put you on trt. You'd have to visit a doc in thailand and ask him to get your test levels checked and see if theyd prescribe but being in thailand everything is legal so you dont even need a script till you get back to the us you can take care of it yourself. As far as potential sides, trt doses are about optimizing test levels so sides wouldn't be anything too outside what you normally feel, its when you go too far outside trt doses that you need to worry about sides. The only complication with trt to an otherwise healthy male who has normal test production ranges is that you will shut down your own test production so while youre old enough that you could get off trt if you chose and recover your hpta you should probably be looking at this as a life time decision so once you start poking you're gonna keep poking, so become ok with that idea. I dont have any trt related lit I could pass ya on to, it would just be a google search the same as what youd do, Im prescribed trt by my doc so Im well versed with it.

Re: tests being equal, there are various test esters, prop, phenyl prop, enanthate, cypionate, undecanoate and on and on, an ester to simplify just determines how long a compound stays in the body. A prop is a short ester thus it needs to be pinned optimally everyday, whereas a enanthate a couple times a week, so trt is usually done with a long ester to cut down on pinning. Usually a cypionate tho I prefer an enanthate.

If your test is prescribed it wont matter if its from thailand or the us as itll have to have past some sort of standard. If its not prescribed you run the gambit in thailand, underground labs, pharma grade, fakes, theres lots of everything going around but its russian roulette as to whether its legit or not, I got some great stuff from there, some stuff that knotted me up for days on end and some stuff that was straight up bunk, better to order it online and ship it in, not any issue in thailand and what most of the bb'ers who vacation in thailand do unless they know a good hook up. The only other thing to watch out for in thailand is a lot of the ug labs use eo as a carrier, which is either an issue or not, if youre allergic as I am itll cause rashes and swelling, if youre not its smooth gear only way to know is to try it. Meditech I believe is eo and regularly carried in pharmacies there.

Great info mikeymike. In regards to the bolded part, what happens if I go in and test normal/high and they say I don't need any injections. Any alternatives?

If you test normal then you dont need trt so you wouldn't need any alternatives just accept that your test levels are where they need to be. If you want to elevate them on your own via a blast that is your only option but as far as trt goes there isnt much you can do once you test within range.

Post: #69

(09-16-2013 11:28 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  i'm on 100mg / week test cyp

has me at about 900

i tested three times under 300 back in feb or so

changed the way i feel dramatically

if you dont feel like shit already, then TRT is not for you. but, if you want blast, thats a different story.

i never touched AAS until i was Rx'ed TRT. but now that i'm on TRT anyhow, the biggest risk factor (in my mind - which was HPTA shut down) was removed from the equation. many more doors open to me now

I'm weary on the if you don't feel like shit part, as most guys become so used to being low test that they dont know what its like to be within normal ranges to high levels. Easy and cheap to get tested, if you find yourself slowing down at all as you age, fat accumulating, sex drive dwindling, may not even be a huge difference might as well check it out and confirm. Ive had all my male friends over 30 go and get themselves checked, its free up here might as well, and over a third of them ended up on trt, most didn't feel bad, just chalked it up to getting older and natural age slowing them down a bit. If you feel like shit definitely get checked but some of you might be surprised to find yourselves low t.

Post: #70

Americans are really lucky when it comes to TRT. Europe is still in the stone age when it comes to this. They won't Rx you crap unless you have the test level of a 1 year old girl.

Post: #71

Trt is no picnic.


If you don't feel like shit and have no other symptoms then I say stay away.

Don't go looking for an answer to problem you may not have.

But truth is that most guys over thirty can relate to some if the symptoms.

Through privatemdlabs we in the us can get the test done for $59 I think.

Post: #72

I just came off a tren/test/mast cycle 3 wks ago and have no libido running nolva/daa/ostarine for pct. Getting frequent anxiety attacks too which was not happening before. Hopefully in another few wks it'll sort itself out. Low test and messed up estrogen levels suck.

Post: #73

So am I understanding it correctly, that if you decide to go on TRT you are basically signing up to be on it for the rest of your life? Because it slows down/shuts down your body's natural production of test? That's a pretty serious commitment. What would happen if you were on TRT for a few years then suddenly stopped for some reason? Would your natural test levels just be abysmal from then on, or would your production slowly recover to at least a normal level?

Post: #74

(09-16-2013 04:47 PM)Pyre Wrote:  I just came off a tren/test/mast cycle 3 wks ago and have no libido running nolva/daa/ostarine for pct. Getting frequent anxiety attacks too which was not happening before. Hopefully in another few wks it'll sort itself out. Low test and messed up estrogen levels suck.

I won't go off on my normal cycling is pointless better to b&c tirade but tren can bring out anxiety in some for sure. Did you use prami or caber? Prami is better for anxiety but caber better for your libido, likely prolactin is fucking with your libido but depending on test dose it could be estrogen but I'm guessing you used a low dose of prop so that's probably unlikely. Grab some triptorelin, 100mcg in one poke and you'll combat shutdown. You can keep going with the daa and ostarine if you want but they're not necessary...trip with nolva can take care of ya on their own, a poke and a little time and you're back, nolva to keep estro rebound in check.

Post: #75

(09-16-2013 05:25 PM)scorpion Wrote:  So am I understanding it correctly, that if you decide to go on TRT you are basically signing up to be on it for the rest of your life? Because it slows down/shuts down your body's natural production of test? That's a pretty serious commitment. What would happen if you were on TRT for a few years then suddenly stopped for some reason? Would your natural test levels just be abysmal from then on, or would your production slowly recover to at least a normal level?

Trt is test replacement therapy so yes, you're signing on to replace your lowered test production. Which is why you get tested, if you're healthy no reason to get on trt, if you've got low t levels then you'll want to be on for life as there is no perk to living with low test. If you're on trt, and you stop, you would likely in time return to your previous low levels of test.