Post: #51

You know, it's one thing to get numbers and solid reactions from girls at a venue. But it's quite another to take them home. So far, I haven't seen many PUAs pull this off. Many of these PUAs I'm sure get numbers but they never take a girl home.

This is why I say that the biggest sticking point to all these PUAs from what I've seen is theiir inability to take chicks home. So, their lay-to-meet ratio isn't that high as a result. And not just PUAs have this issue. I'm very sure those trying to get girls to spread their legs suffer from this issue also. If this part of the game is resolved, many guys wouldn't need to spend so much money on PUA coaches.

Post: #52

(10-06-2013 01:12 AM)terron Wrote:  You know, it's one thing to get numbers and solid reactions from girls at a venue. But it's quite another to take them home. So far, I haven't seen many PUAs pull this off. Many of these PUAs I'm sure get numbers but they never take a girl home.

This is why I say that the biggest sticking point to all these PUAs from what I've seen is theiir inability to take chicks home. So, their lay-to-meet ratio isn't that high as a result. And not just PUAs have this issue. I'm very sure those trying to get girls to spread their legs suffer from this issue also. If this part of the game is resolved, many guys wouldn't need to spend so much money on PUA coaches.

This is all part of the PUA smoke and mirrors campaign. Guys consider it a win to get a # or a kiss. That does not equate to sex. Coaches lack strong frame and can't teach it to students. I don't kiss close in the U.S., and work the frame to where the girl asks for my number. Keep the ball in her court, not yours.

Some of us here on the forum could teach for free in one weekend what PUA coaches will never learn in a lifetime. If you guys need help post up on the Nomad77 mentoring thread. Leave the bootcamps for the thirsty simp zombies.

Post: #53

I did a free tour and hot-seat with RSD, also got to see them in action in Miami.

Personally, after Blueprint I was fascinated by their methodology. I think since Papa "left" they have revised their bootcamps and method. There aren't any routines or pickup lines, stock material, canned stories, or any other non-sense. I've seen Julian and Tyler in action and was fairly impressed. Also, Jeffy was great, as someone pointed out they were FUN.

These guys are still a lot better with women than most men in the club, hands down. For some reason community and "player" wannabes have unrealistic expectation of what "natural" looks like in field or what Pickup instructor should be like. Yes, this is a numbers game, and yes you will have to approach a lot of women. I don't see why anyone has any problems with this. The argument "well if you hit enough girls you're bound to get laid" is valid yet retarded. I would rather approach 100 girls and get laid by 1 than approach 10 and get laid by none. Yeah, sure, you want to be selective, be selective, but you still need to clock in time in the field to hone this skill.

My good friend knows Paul Janka and saw him in action. The guy knows his shit, and is approach machine. Now, go on, tell me that he's a "good looking tall dude with a swimmer's body build". So fucking what?! He still approaches, and you're looking for excuses.

I think RSD is one of the few companies that does in-field footage. The amount of content available from these guys (For free) is staggering. It is hard to complain about something that is free. Owen still runs his bootcamps and truly enjoys his work. I'd probably take a bootcamp with Tyler or Julian, or Jeffy as his style is similar to what i am working on.

Post: #54

Most PUAs aren't any better then guys like us.

They are just better at getting paid for it.

Post: #55

PUAs should get laid often simply on account of -

Logistics. These guys go from major city to major city and stay in hotels in prime locations.
Going out a on ton. It's their job.

Post: #56

(10-06-2013 04:36 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Most PUAs aren't any better then guys like us.

They are just better at getting paid for it.

There is something to be said for being good at running a business and being a good teacher.

For guys with no balls to even make an approach, just about any guy on this forum who had the skills to teach would most certainly have the success to take a guy who is a complete failure with women and get him started on the right path.

That's what is being paid for. No matter how good these PUAs are at pick up or what their numbers are, if they can get a clueless guy heading the right way and save him from six months of fixing dumb mistakes that could be corrected in two nights by a discerning teacher, well, isn't that what they are getting paid for?

Post: #57

You guys should start up a Kickstarter to fund me, Fisto, and Emech to send us to one of these famous bootcamps. I think we need it. We'll report back and let you know how it went.

Post: #58

(09-14-2013 05:07 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  One thing that always bothered me about him (and a lot of these 'PUA' type guys in general) is that I always felt like he was trying to game ME. i.e. making me jump through his hoops, validate myself to him, invest, qualify. And I'd read all the literature and done hundreds of approaches. So I knew what he was doing and I felt irritated that he was so transparently trying to fuck with my head all the time.

On a man level - he never answered my questions straight or talked to me directly. I told him I didn't like that pussy shit. We're men, tell me what's on your mind and we'll work it out. But he was such a PUA droid that he couldn't even have a normal conversation with another guy.

But I digress - dude got a lot of ass. So credit where it's due.

I recently went out boozing with this guy who was some kind of self acclaimed "love guru", I didn't know this before I met him, but later learned that he has a blog and books about revolutionizing sex or something to that effect. He reminded of the the guy you described above, he was such a dick, I'd try to start a conversation and he'd just give me one word answers or straight up ignore me, surely we could have talked about traveling or pussy. He even corrected my English haha, anyway he hit on some no so great looking chicks and was blown out by some better looking ones then I eventually called him out on his negative behavior and he just walked away from me, it was pretty funny. We corresponded later and he told me that I'm "poorly socially calibrated", whatever the fuck that means, I've met quite a few RVF members and I don't think any would describe me as such.

Post: #59

(10-06-2013 10:37 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 01:12 AM)terron Wrote:  You know, it's one thing to get numbers and solid reactions from girls at a venue. But it's quite another to take them home. So far, I haven't seen many PUAs pull this off. Many of these PUAs I'm sure get numbers but they never take a girl home.

This is why I say that the biggest sticking point to all these PUAs from what I've seen is theiir inability to take chicks home. So, their lay-to-meet ratio isn't that high as a result. And not just PUAs have this issue. I'm very sure those trying to get girls to spread their legs suffer from this issue also. If this part of the game is resolved, many guys wouldn't need to spend so much money on PUA coaches.

This is all part of the PUA smoke and mirrors campaign. Guys consider it a win to get a # or a kiss. That does not equate to sex. Coaches lack strong frame and can't teach it to students. I don't kiss close in the U.S., and work the frame to where the girl asks for my number. Keep the ball in her court, not yours.

I completely agree with you. It's sad that many guys are duped into paying thousands at bootcamps.

Post: #60

It's interesting that the posts praising various PUAs are coming from guys with no rep points.

Shills? Or just too clueless to recognize a con?

It has to be one or the other, because these guys are not legit.

Post: #61

One of my embarrassing secrets is that I could watch videos of Vince Kelvin all day. It's like a reality tv train wreck and it just draws me in. Maybe it's the hair?

Mehow gets an honorable mention here also.

Post: #62

(10-07-2013 03:44 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  One of my embarrassing secrets is that I could watch videos of Vince Kelvin all day. It's like a reality tv train wreck and it just draws me in. Maybe it's the hair?

The dizzy heights of PUA success:



(Actually used as marketing material on his page.)

Post: #63

(10-07-2013 01:42 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  It's interesting that the posts praising various PUAs are coming from guys with no rep points.

Shills? Or just too clueless to recognize a con?

It has to be one or the other, because these guys are not legit.

The forum rep system is bad measuring stick. I recently joined this place and still have few posts. Unless writing is your job, spending all day on forums like this is not an indication of solid game.

I used to moderate the attraction forums (love systems) under the same nickname. You can also search my username on various pua forums. While being moderator I learned that majority of keyboard jockeys with 1000s posts are not exactly the strongest players. However, it's not exclusive. When I went out a lot, between my business, friends, and going out I hardly had any time to write on those types of forums. Mostly, asked question or two, specific issue, and done.

There is something to be said that traveling from city to city is lucrative if you stay in hot spots. The novelty never wears off. Plus you're more inclined to approach when you're away from your "home base".

I don't get paid to promote any puas, i just stated my experience.

Someone here said that those guys are just as good as guys like Roosh. However, you pay them for knowledge presented methodically. They break down the "science" behind this. They also give you feedback constructively. That if you get a good instructor.

I don't really see any difference between taking a Business Training seminar or pua seminar. If it's ok to pay 5,000 USD for Sales training then why it's not ok to pay 2-3k for pickup training? We get professional certificates like .NET, CCNA, etc. and pay for the training to advance our careers yet you see something inherently wrong to pay a dating coach? Another analogy is personal trainer at the gym. Yes, you can achieve some body building results on your own but having a good coach will only speed up your process.

There is a great misconception that every born man is naturally good with women. No. In fact most men have shitty experience with women throughout their childhood and teens, especially in feminazi America and it negatively shapes your outlook on dating. If you were raised in broken family (mostly by a single mother) or if you didn't have a father present while growing up, chances are you have some issues with women. Chances. Not all the time, not everytime, not everyone, but high chances.

So no, you're not naturally good with women if you're here.

Post: #64

(10-07-2013 01:42 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  It's interesting that the posts praising various PUAs are coming from guys with no rep points.

Shills? Or just too clueless to recognize a con?

It has to be one or the other, because these guys are not legit.

(10-07-2013 05:30 AM)TrueStory Wrote:  The forum rep system is bad measuring stick. I recently joined this place and still have few posts. Unless writing is your job, spending all day on forums like this is not an indication of solid game.

I used to moderate the attraction forums (love systems) under the same nickname. You can also search my username on various pua forums. While being moderator I learned that majority of keyboard jockeys with 1000s posts are not exactly the strongest players. However, it's not exclusive. When I went out a lot, between my business, friends, and going out I hardly had any time to write on those types of forums. Mostly, asked question or two, specific issue, and done.

There is something to be said that traveling from city to city is lucrative if you stay in hot spots. The novelty never wears off. Plus you're more inclined to approach when you're away from your "home base".

I don't get paid to promote any puas, i just stated my experience.

Someone here said that those guys are just as good as guys like Roosh. However, you pay them for knowledge presented methodically. They break down the "science" behind this. They also give you feedback constructively. That if you get a good instructor.

I don't really see any difference between taking a Business Training seminar or pua seminar. If it's ok to pay 5,000 USD for Sales training then why it's not ok to pay 2-3k for pickup training? We get professional certificates like .NET, CCNA, etc. and pay for the training to advance our careers yet you see something inherently wrong to pay a dating coach? Another analogy is personal trainer at the gym. Yes, you can achieve some body building results on your own but having a good coach will only speed up your process.

There is a great misconception that every born man is naturally good with women. No. In fact most men have shitty experience with women throughout their childhood and teens, especially in feminazi America and it negatively shapes your outlook on dating. If you were raised in broken family (mostly by a single mother) or if you didn't have a father present while growing up, chances are you have some issues with women. Chances. Not all the time, not everytime, not everyone, but high chances.

So no, you're not naturally good with women if you're here.

Just highlighting some of the gems on this one.

Post: #65

Blah blah blah shill.

You realize that most of us actually meet up and go out in real life, right?

Pretty hard to hide behind a rep/post count when guys are actually meeting up...

Post: #66

I wouldn't be too hard on TrueStory. He doesn't know how things operate here. I've met over a dozen members, and all of them had better skills than the guru's in the pickup videos. Go figure.

Post: #67

(10-06-2013 09:35 PM)scotian Wrote:  I recently went out boozing with this guy who was some kind of self acclaimed "love guru", I didn't know this before I met him, but later learned that he has a blog and books about revolutionizing sex or something to that effect. He reminded of the the guy you described above, he was such a dick, I'd try to start a conversation and he'd just give me one word answers or straight up ignore me, surely we could have talked about traveling or pussy. He even corrected my English haha, anyway he hit on some no so great looking chicks and was blown out by some better looking ones then I eventually called him out on his negative behavior and he just walked away from me, it was pretty funny. We corresponded later and he told me that I'm "poorly socially calibrated", whatever the fuck that means, I've met quite a few RVF members and I don't think any would describe me as such.

Hahahahahaha definitely passive-aggressively projecting his own flaws onto you before you can call him out on it. What a twat.

Post: #68

I have zero tolerance for passive aggressiveness in men. As soon as they start that bullshit fairy trolling, I nuke them. Done.

Post: #69

Scotian is a dirty, drunken Canuck....so we got along great. 10/10 can vouch.

Post: #70

(10-07-2013 09:11 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  Blah blah blah shill.

You realize that most of us actually meet up and go out in real life, right?

Pretty hard to hide behind a rep/post count when guys are actually meeting up...

I used to go on Attraction forums two years ago. Back then, he was one of maybe 3 legit people on there.

If I remember correctly, he was a close friend of Assanova back then and they would go out together all the time.

I have a feeling if TrueStory sticks around here, he will have a lot to add to this forum.

*Edit: Because his advice helped me way back when, I'll link you guys to one of his big posts:

http://www.theattractionforums.com/best-...nance.html

It's 4 years old, but I feel that it represents him well.

Post: #71

(10-07-2013 04:05 AM)Soma Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 03:44 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  One of my embarrassing secrets is that I could watch videos of Vince Kelvin all day. It's like a reality tv train wreck and it just draws me in. Maybe it's the hair?

The dizzy heights of PUA success:

(Actually used as marketing material on his page.)

Wow! You know, this reminds me of a pic of Mystery pushing a baby carriage with his girlfriend. The girl looks like a 3. When i saw that pic I was completely shocked and I almost spit out my water. Ok Mystery, where are your 9s and 10s from the Playboy Mansion? ...Idiot. Check out the pic everyone:

Post: #72

(10-07-2013 02:02 PM)terron Wrote:  Wow! You know, this reminds me of a pic of Mystery pushing a baby carriage with his girlfriend. The girl looks like a 3. When i saw that pic I was completely shocked and I almost spit out my water. Ok Mystery, where are your 9s and 10s from the Playboy Mansion? ...Idiot. Check out the pic everyone:

You have a point, but you don't need to exaggerate and call her a 3. Come on. Not even close. Do you only fuck supermodels?

It's a hard pic to tell, but she looks very bangable.

So much hot air being blown by guys online it's ridiculous.

Post: #73

(10-07-2013 02:08 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 02:02 PM)terron Wrote:  Wow! You know, this reminds me of a pic of Mystery pushing a baby carriage with his girlfriend. The girl looks like a 3. When i saw that pic I was completely shocked and I almost spit out my water. Ok Mystery, where are your 9s and 10s from the Playboy Mansion? ...Idiot. Check out the pic everyone:

You have a point, but you don't need to exaggerate and call her a 3. Come on. Not even close. Do you only fuck supermodels?

It's a hard pic to tell, but she looks very bangable.

So much hot air being blown by guys online it's ridiculous.

I have to call her a 3. The girls I usually go for are far finer than this girl in the pic. She looks like she's got no waist which is unattractive. Seriously, you would nail this girl?

Can't believe the things I read online. It's amazing.

Post: #74

tetron, can you be our guiding light that we look to for guidance and enlightenment?

Post: #75

Terron, Iranian girls (or any nationality) arent hot enough to justify that statement. Id say shes probably an 8. If youre looking for girls with more waist this may be the place:
http://nigelsbiggameblog.wordpress.com/