Post: #76

This is so f'in retarded! All great threads on these forums get derailed this way. Here we have a guy sharing real success with pictures to back it up and sharing how he reached that admirable physique. And all these haters come out of the woodwork. Then a bunch of fully grown men start btiching at each other like women with their tampons lit on fire.

For once id like to see an exchange of ideas rather than shooting down another person just to be right on an anonymous forum. We could have had several sample workouts by now if we werent acting like a bunch of women... Im gonna wing it at the gym today.. fuckers

Post: #77

haha moody bitch. nah you're on point.

russian soul:
what about a guy that weight 240 and can do 10 pull ups and BW+50lbs?

thats me. but i'm still not jacked. i look bigger than most dudes for sure, but there is such a long way to go to be jacked.

i think you also forgot a category in your scale of male physique: built fat

thats where I am right now even though I have a 8 to ten inch drop. i'm in the high teens in BF% (legitimately as measured by multiple instruments including Body Metrix personal scanner a $300 device that uses sonogram to actually measure the depth of the fat) but also have 200 lbs LBM. I think you're being simplistic.

also, on another board I frequent,an MMA board, the girls did a poll with varying physiques and the one that one as ideal? built fat. (not obese obviously, but muscular with some fat on you)

I know people here wont believe it, but the feed back i get confirms it.

of course it is a selection bias, because the ones with me say they like what i've got, but i also hear that vascular abs and extreme leanness is a turn off because it screams vanity and lots and lots of work and dedication.

chicks want you to be effortlessly awesome. very very few people are naturally sub ten or even 12 percent body fat.

Post: #78

(08-30-2013 09:04 AM)defguy Wrote:  This is so f'in retarded! All great threads on these forums get derailed this way. Here we have a guy sharing real success with pictures to back it up and sharing how he reached that admirable physique. And all these haters come out of the woodwork. Then a bunch of fully grown men start btiching at each other like women with their tampons lit on fire.

For once id like to see an exchange of ideas rather than shooting down another person just to be right on an anonymous forum. We could have had several sample workouts by now if we werent acting like a bunch of women... Im gonna wing it at the gym today.. fuckers

Go douche yourself off, your tampon is starting to smoke.

I never hated on him.

Post: #79

(08-27-2013 03:58 PM)RussianSoul Wrote:  I have focused on two things in my training(which is only body weight by the way): maintaining leanness and building specific muscle groups(Delts, Upper chest, Lats).

What is your body weight routine?

Diet?

Booze heavy?

Post: #80

http://foxhoundstudio.com/blog/fitness-l...ant-to-be/

Post: #81

(08-30-2013 11:53 AM)jimukr104 Wrote:  http://foxhoundstudio.com/blog/fitness-l...ant-to-be/

That's crazy. You don't have to lift weights at all to impress girls, if that poll is accurate.

Post: #82

(08-30-2013 11:53 AM)jimukr104 Wrote:  http://foxhoundstudio.com/blog/fitness-l...ant-to-be/

So these two guys surveyed men and women in their social media circle/blog and came to this conclusion? Color me shocked.

Post: #83

(08-30-2013 11:32 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 03:58 PM)RussianSoul Wrote:  I have focused on two things in my training(which is only body weight by the way): maintaining leanness and building specific muscle groups(Delts, Upper chest, Lats).

What is your body weight routine?

Diet?

Booze heavy?

Here's his quote that answers most of your questions. I don't know if he drinks a lot though.

Quote: Several guys asked about my workouts. For the last year, it has only been body weight. My routine is built around two exercises(and variations): Pushups and Pullups. Mind-numbingly simple I know but don't let it fool you. My workouts are brutal. 3-4 times a week for a little under an hour. I super set between push/pull exercises and take very little rests. Yesterday, for example, 5 sets of handstand pushups to nose (14,12,10,8,6) supersetted with chins(18,14,13,10,10). Then, I will do some burnout exercises that are easy for me. Decline/close grip pushups with inverted rows or something like that and than some bw squats.. I can't stress enough the importance of form. I go slow when doing these exercises, usually a 2-1-2 rhythm, sometimes slower. I really visualize tearing up the muscle fibers in the muscle I am targeting. Its sounds crazy but it works. It took me a good 2-3 years before I learned how to really activate a muscle. Most guys never learn, they are just throwing weight around.

As for diet, I think its grossly overrated. The whole 50/50 training-diet equation is bogus. I have know many many guys with perfect diets that have very little to show for it. Busting your ass is what makes the difference. I eat when I am hungry, no calorie or macro counting. I eat a stupendous amount of carbs(roughly 400 grams a day on average).That said, I try to follow a few basic nutritional rules. 1.) If there's protein around, eat it. 2.) Try to get a decent amount of fruit/veggies everyday 3.) Eat plenty of healthy fats(I go through 2-3 jars of peanut butter a week). Its very simple. Eat good wholesome food, stay away from shit like soda, and workout till you puke. If you do that, your physique will transform.

Edit: 4.) I forgot, drink your fucking water. Your muscles are mainly water...I drink 1.5-2 gallons a day.

Post: #84

RussianSoul -

Crazy workout.

No sprints? Planks and core stuff? Swimming? Shadow Boxing? etc.

I am always amazed when people get great results from simple workouts.

How does this transfer to athletics?

Reason, I ask is I have seen plenty of guys that "look athletic" but when it comes down to it can't make it happen.

Not saying this is you of course, but with a simple and effective workout routine you use, do you find that it transfers into real world athletics? ie Boxing, Running, Surfing, Hoop, Swimming etc.

Also, what is your booze intake?

Post: #85

Some guys act like you're either average size or a bodybuilder. There's no middle ground between slim and "gorilla". G brings up the point I'm most concerned about...functional size and strength aka athleticism.

No offense to OP, he obviously put in the work and looks great. His goal is to impress women and that's fine. But it's not "hating" to question his weight.

Usain Bolt 6'4 210
Adrian Peterson 6'1 217
Desean Jackson 5'10 175
Tony Parker 6'2 185
Derrick Rose 6'3 190
Anderson Silva 6'2 185+
Georges St. Pierre 5'10 170
Michael Phelps 6'4 195

Not only are none of these guys bodybuilders, they are a collection of the fastest, quickest, and most explosive human beings EVER.

And as you can see by that list, 6'2" 165 is simply small by an athletes standard. OP is more cut than many of those guys and that's his goal. But for the guys who practice a martial art or play sports, that weight would put them at a disadvantage in the ring or on the field while providing no noticeable advantage in performance.

I personally try to find a balance between aesthetics and functionality. I want to be athletic but I also don't think guys like Tony Parker or Anderson Silva have great bodies despite being elite athletes. Guys like Adrian Peterson and GSP do though.

Post: #86

(08-30-2013 11:53 AM)jimukr104 Wrote:  http://foxhoundstudio.com/blog/fitness-l...ant-to-be/

Wait...someone polled women on what they want? And people are taking it seriously?

Post: #87

(08-30-2013 02:45 PM)Enigma Wrote:  And as you can see by that list, 6'2" 165 is simply small by an athletes standard.

Depends on the sport.

Hagler was 5'9 and 160 pounds:



Hearns was 6'1, 160.

Both those guys were as atheltic as a human can be.





Mayweather and Pac are small.

So was Bruce Lee.

Post: #88

(08-30-2013 12:45 PM)Damedius Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 11:53 AM)jimukr104 Wrote:  http://foxhoundstudio.com/blog/fitness-l...ant-to-be/

That's crazy. You don't have to lift weights at all to impress girls, if that poll is accurate.

Actually Brad definitely did weights for his routine.
But again without measurements from OP we don't really know his mass. Weight isn't the best way to tell since body types are vastly different.
whats funny is OP can get into a growth phase just by putting a backpack on his back.

Post: #89

G you're mentioning guys who are half a foot or more shorter. I'm talking about weight in relation to height. I'm not saying short guys can't be great athletes by any means. But that's why they compare fighters "pound for pound"...the bigger guy with similar skill has the advantage.

Hearns is a good example but that's one out of 100. And he was able to fight all the way up at Cruiserweight with his frame.

Post: #90

(08-30-2013 05:28 PM)Enigma Wrote:  G you're mentioning guys who are half a foot or more shorter. I'm talking about weight in relation to height. I'm not saying short guys can't be great athletes by any means. But that's why they compare fighters "pound for pound"...the bigger guy with similar skill has the advantage.

Hearns is a good example but that's one out of 100. And he was able to fight all the way up at Cruiserweight with his frame.

Gotcha.

Fair enough.

I agree its rare.

Paul Williams (Rest in Peace) would probably be the best example, 6'3 and fought at 147.

Post: #91

(08-30-2013 12:53 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 11:53 AM)jimukr104 Wrote:  http://foxhoundstudio.com/blog/fitness-l...ant-to-be/

So these two guys surveyed men and women in their social media circle/blog and came to this conclusion? Color me shocked.

Roosh throwing up the peace sign? ha.

Post: #92

(08-30-2013 11:32 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 03:58 PM)RussianSoul Wrote:  I have focused on two things in my training(which is only body weight by the way): maintaining leanness and building specific muscle groups(Delts, Upper chest, Lats).

What is your body weight routine?

Diet?

Booze heavy?

I have to agree with the bodyweight training, I've slung iron around since 1971 and have never seen quicker results with more definition than I have with bodyweight training this past two years. What got me doing it was watching gymnists and wondering what programs they used, as it turned out, mainly all bodyweight stuff. I'm now 185lbs at 6'2" and run 12-15% bodyfat year round. I have a 12" drop, but because I'm slim suits fit me very well.... I might add I haven't had any issues of injury or joint problems since I started this and I'm 58 years old.

My routine is simple, I cycle about 10 miles or row 2500 meters most days, every other day I do 100 pushups ( wide & diamond with legs elevated) 50 pullups and chin ups with varying grips and 75 dips. I superset the push ups with the pullup/chinups.....and that's it.

Post: #93

Doesn't sound like OP is working out for athletics. Otherwise, he would be trying to put on weight.

That's pretty clear

Post: #94

It's entirely possible and probable that the definition you're seeing is a direct result of the mad cardio you do and not the push ups and what not.

15% body fat at 6'2" and 185 lbs that means you have 157 lbs LBM. That honestly sounds so scrawny to me. Is it even possible to be defined at 15% bf and only 157 lbm on. 6'2" frame?

I think just like with the chick hotness scale we all have different ideas of what muscular or jacked or ripped or defined means.

Again I have 200 lbs lbm at just about your height with high teens bf and I don't look jacked and I've got 40 lbs of lean body mass on you. 40 lbs! Maybe once I cross down to sub 15% bf it will all make more sense to me. Who knows.

Post: #95

I tried doing handstand pushups, with my toes hanging on a bar about shoulder height and my nose started bleeding immediately. This didn't happen with tiger pushups or with pseudo-handstand pushups with my feet suspended at the height of my xiphoid process (bottom center of the chestplate). Anyone familiar with this? Did a little Googling, some say it's nothing, others say to see a doctor immediately.

I don't get nosebleeds often - used to get them occasionally from picking my nose too aggressively, but haven't in a long time.

Post: #96

(08-30-2013 05:45 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 05:28 PM)Enigma Wrote:  G you're mentioning guys who are half a foot or more shorter. I'm talking about weight in relation to height. I'm not saying short guys can't be great athletes by any means. But that's why they compare fighters "pound for pound"...the bigger guy with similar skill has the advantage.

Hearns is a good example but that's one out of 100. And he was able to fight all the way up at Cruiserweight with his frame.

Gotcha.

Fair enough.

I agree its rare.

Paul Williams (Rest in Peace) would probably be the best example, 6'3 and fought at 147.

Wtf? When did Paul Williams die? How did I miss that? I know he was paralyzed, but I didn't know he died.

Post: #97

What kind of equipment do you use for your workouts? Since you do everything at home, I'm curious.

Post: #98

(08-30-2013 02:45 PM)Enigma Wrote:  Some guys act like you're either average size or a bodybuilder. There's no middle ground between slim and "gorilla". G brings up the point I'm most concerned about...functional size and strength aka athleticism.

No offense to OP, he obviously put in the work and looks great. His goal is to impress women and that's fine. But it's not "hating" to question his weight.

Usain Bolt 6'4 210
Adrian Peterson 6'1 217
Desean Jackson 5'10 175
Tony Parker 6'2 185
Derrick Rose 6'3 190
Anderson Silva 6'2 185+
Georges St. Pierre 5'10 170
Michael Phelps 6'4 195

Not only are none of these guys bodybuilders, they are a collection of the fastest, quickest, and most explosive human beings EVER.

And as you can see by that list, 6'2" 165 is simply small by an athletes standard. OP is more cut than many of those guys and that's his goal. But for the guys who practice a martial art or play sports, that weight would put them at a disadvantage in the ring or on the field while providing no noticeable advantage in performance.

I personally try to find a balance between aesthetics and functionality. I want to be athletic but I also don't think guys like Tony Parker or Anderson Silva have great bodies despite being elite athletes. Guys like Adrian Peterson and GSP do though.

Yeah.

And all those guys are on performance enhancing drugs.

Post: #99

RioNomad: No hard feelings. You write some quality stuff here. Next time your in the vicinity of Vienna, beer is on me.

Reaper: Impressive! You are strong, no doubt it. I have to disagree with you about women preferences though. There are a lot of big hefty guys walking around, very very few guys with sub-10 bodyfat. Women like rare things like diamonds, the reactions I get are priceless. About coming across as to try-hard I would have to to put more effort in achieving a bulkier look. It kind of comes down to embracing your natural phenotype.

Gmanifesto: Thanks, man. I don't do any independent core work. Just to be able hold a handstand, your abs/lower back have to be tremendously strong.

Sometimes I will do uphill sprints if I am trying to get extra shredded for a pool party or something. Highly recommended but brutal...

I think the athletic transfer is great. I have never been as fast, strong and flexible as I am now. I am trying to get more seriously into mountain climbing and this type of training is ideal for that. You just don't want to be carrying too many spare pounds when you are hanging off a cliff with one hand. From what I gather, many fighters train this way but that is not my expertise.

My booze intake is high, too high. 2-3 nights a week(7-8 drinks). Its slows down recovery a little bit, but honestly alcohol is not so bad....

Basilransom: Take it very very slow. Your body has to get used to being upside down and blood pooling in the head. Just start with trying to hold a headstand for a minute.

Thebassist: I have one of those doorway pull-up bars. Thats it.

Post: #100

(08-31-2013 05:44 AM)Every10GivesMeA10 Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 02:45 PM)Enigma Wrote:  Some guys act like you're either average size or a bodybuilder. There's no middle ground between slim and "gorilla". G brings up the point I'm most concerned about...functional size and strength aka athleticism.

No offense to OP, he obviously put in the work and looks great. His goal is to impress women and that's fine. But it's not "hating" to question his weight.

Usain Bolt 6'4 210
Adrian Peterson 6'1 217
Desean Jackson 5'10 175
Tony Parker 6'2 185
Derrick Rose 6'3 190
Anderson Silva 6'2 185+
Georges St. Pierre 5'10 170
Michael Phelps 6'4 195

Not only are none of these guys bodybuilders, they are a collection of the fastest, quickest, and most explosive human beings EVER.

And as you can see by that list, 6'2" 165 is simply small by an athletes standard. OP is more cut than many of those guys and that's his goal. But for the guys who practice a martial art or play sports, that weight would put them at a disadvantage in the ring or on the field while providing no noticeable advantage in performance.

I personally try to find a balance between aesthetics and functionality. I want to be athletic but I also don't think guys like Tony Parker or Anderson Silva have great bodies despite being elite athletes. Guys like Adrian Peterson and GSP do though.

Yeah.

And all those guys are on performance enhancing drugs.

Actually with the exception of Adriane Peterson most of those guys are within a few pounds of that chart. They're also athletes not bodybuilders - they're probably not down at 2-3% bf. Athletes aren't going to get as low BF as bodybuilders because it starts to fuck with their performance and recovery.