Post: #51

I like calling out the actual approach as well,her initial nervousness etc, elephant in the room?

Post: #52

(09-12-2013 10:11 AM)Nick Wrote:  I guess your joking? Try that and let us know how it goes.

Making a girl feel awkward and then making fun of her is just about the worst way to build attraction short of slapping her. Let's quit looking to witty lines and routines when what it comes down to is building your own value. I guess since people always want a short cut, "get rich quick schemes" and "pickup lines" will never go away.

Maybe you are just too stiff to be playful. You sound like you're on your period, so I can see how that would be difficult for you.

Joking with a girl and being playful is obviously a great way to build attraction. Awkward was a bad choice of words on my part, but being playful with a girl is hardly "the worst way to build attraction short of slapping her."

As far as routines, how is using a bill as a prop any more of a routine than what you wrote previously? Should we stop asking girls for a light as well?

Quote:"Excuse me. Can I tell you something really quickly? I just noticed you walking right now and I thought you looked really nice, so I wanted to come say hello. I noticed x which made me think of y, [or] you look very x,y,z because of the way you were walking, what you were wearing" etc.

Post: #53

(09-12-2013 11:19 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 10:11 AM)Nick Wrote:  I guess your joking? Try that and let us know how it goes.

Making a girl feel awkward and then making fun of her is just about the worst way to build attraction short of slapping her. Let's quit looking to witty lines and routines when what it comes down to is building your own value. I guess since people always want a short cut, "get rich quick schemes" and "pickup lines" will never go away.

Maybe you are just too stiff to be playful. You sound like you're on your period, so I can see how that would be difficult for you.

Joking with a girl and being playful is obviously a great way to build attraction. Awkward was a bad choice of words on my part, but being playful with a girl is hardly "the worst way to build attraction short of slapping her."

As far as routines, how is using a bill as a prop any more of a routine than what you wrote previously? Should we stop asking girls for a light as well?

Quote:"Excuse me. Can I tell you something really quickly? I just noticed you walking right now and I thought you looked really nice, so I wanted to come say hello. I noticed x which made me think of y, [or] you look very x,y,z because of the way you were walking, what you were wearing" etc.

My thoughts exactly, I thought this sounded more fun and playful than anything. Something that a light hearted person would want to try for his own amusement.

Not some burdensome gambit or routine.

Post: #54

(09-12-2013 06:33 AM)gandt Wrote:  

(09-10-2013 07:41 PM)Altair Wrote:  never done an all out yad stop. too goofy and cute for my dominant style

closest thing was running up to a girl from behind as she was walking home in a fairly dark neighborhood. I ran to where she was going to walk towards and made sure to stop a few steps in front of her. Delivered my direct opener and began walking side by side with her to her house

key is to keep your landing zone close enough so she has no time to change trajectories. at the same time you don't want to land without giving her any space since you'll creep her out

You basically advised running up to a girl in a dark neighborhood and telling her you want to fuck her.

If you are in fact not a toll and girls have gone home with you more than once with this method, I encourage you to make a more detailed post about your game.

Unless there are copious amounts of alcohol involved or you are a 6'4 good looking man, I think your post/advice is pretty damn useless to everyone on this forum.

The mere act of running after a girl to "talk" already shows that you're considering a fuck. What's the rationale behind making an obvious and bold move then attempting to hide your interest in her. It sounds like a bad joke.

You'll be disappointed as I'm neither a drinker or tall. My post wasn't meant for people who can't stand being direct. Judging from your prior post, you're too concerned with community dogma like being the prize. She'll be flattered that you "laid all your cards on the table" if she likes you. Being the prize was a concept developed by men to remind nice guys that they're more important than any girl; the purpose of this belief is to minimize unattractive behavior from guys and have them assume value. Girls aren't out there actively screening for the degree to which you uphold this belief.

Post: #55

Looks pretty awkward to me

Post: #56

(09-12-2013 02:08 PM)Altair Wrote:  You'll be disappointed as I'm neither a drinker or tall.

So as I understand it, you say you are fairly average and yet you plainly go up to women and tell them straight up you want to fuck...

(09-12-2013 02:08 PM)Altair Wrote:  My post wasn't meant for people who can't stand being direct. Judging from your prior post, you're too concerned with community dogma like being the prize. She'll be flattered that you "laid all your cards on the table" if she likes you.

As for your point about me being someone who can't stand being direct I have spent several years going up to women and plainly expressing that I thought they were; gorgeous, hot, sexy, cute, etc...

Me not being comfortable going direct is something you have made up in your own head.

(09-12-2013 02:08 PM)Altair Wrote:  Being the prize was a concept developed by men to remind nice guys that they're more important than any girl; the purpose of this belief is to minimize unattractive behavior from guys and have them assume value. Girls aren't out there actively screening for the degree to which you uphold this belief.

Let me hold your hand and walk you through this like a little child...

There are various levels of game that apply to various types of women, social circles, demographics, cultures, countries...

As someone who has travelled the world, lived in multiple countries, spoken to girls in multiple languages, I can say that there are MANY types of game that can demonstrate a higher level of social intellect than simply saying "I. WANT. SEX. COME. WITH. ME".

Going direct and super sexual like this has gotten me bangs, don't get me wrong. But it has a time and place. The fact that you are professing that this is the best method for every situation just shows me that you are at a low level and do not know what you are talking about. Perhaps you are focusing on a low quality kind of girl. But anyone who chases various types of women, will immediately see the invalidity of your blanket statement.

You can still send the message "I want to fuck you" to a girl while being in direct. It is all in your body language, eye contact, smile, tone, etc...

Good luck cavemaning girls at night... You could probably get laid more often if you opened up your mind a bit.

Post: #57

(09-12-2013 03:52 PM)gandt Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 02:08 PM)Altair Wrote:  You'll be disappointed as I'm neither a drinker or tall.

So as I understand it, you say you are fairly average and yet you plainly go up to women and tell them straight up you want to fuck...

Unfortunately, I'm going to disappoint you again. Me going up to sober girls walking alone in a dark neighborhood and telling them I want to fuck right off the bat is a figment of your active imagination.

You claim to have an array of experience with going direct. Then you should know it requires calibration. Telling her I want to fuck as an opener when buying temperature was low would have scared her off.

(09-12-2013 03:52 PM)gandt Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 02:08 PM)Altair Wrote:  My post wasn't meant for people who can't stand being direct. Judging from your prior post, you're too concerned with community dogma like being the prize. She'll be flattered that you "laid all your cards on the table" if she likes you.

As for your point about me being someone who can't stand being direct I have spent several years going up to women and plainly expressing that I thought they were; gorgeous, hot, sexy, cute, etc...

You're versed in this field, so what made you wrongfully assume I run up to bitches at night telling them I want to fuck.

(09-12-2013 03:52 PM)gandt Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 02:08 PM)Altair Wrote:  Being the prize was a concept developed by men to remind nice guys that they're more important than any girl; the purpose of this belief is to minimize unattractive behavior from guys and have them assume value. Girls aren't out there actively screening for the degree to which you uphold this belief.

Let me hold your hand and walk you through this like a little child...

There are various levels of game that apply to various types of women, social circles, demographics, cultures, countries...

As someone who has travelled the world, lived in multiple countries, spoken to girls in multiple languages, I can say that there are MANY types of game that can demonstrate a higher level of social intellect than simply saying "I. WANT. SEX. COME. WITH. ME".

Going direct and super sexual like this has gotten me bangs, don't get me wrong. But it has a time and place. The fact that you are professing that this is the best method for every situation just shows me that you are at a low level and do not know what you are talking about. Perhaps you are focusing on a low quality kind of girl. But anyone who chases various types of women, will immediately see the invalidity of your blanket statement.

You can still send the message "I want to fuck you" to a girl while being in direct. It is all in your body language, eye contact, smile, tone, etc...

Good luck cavemaning girls at night... You could probably get laid more often if you opened up your mind a bit.

Once again as someone who supposedly has a lot of experience with direct game, how did you come to the conclusion that, "I want sex, come with me!", is the default way of going about it. Your conclusion puts your credibility and lecturing into question.

Seeing the words direct opener in my previous post some how put your brain into autopilot and caused an emotional reaction.

If you're experienced, then you know there are different degrees of direct. You alter the level of directness depending on the circumstances. It can range from a tame, "I like you, who are you?", inside of a library to, "You're sexy, I want to MmMmM you.", for crazy party environments.

I like to verbalize my interest as soon as possible. There's no way it doesn't come into her consciousness once you back it with words. I'll tell you a story about one of the very famous pickup pros I encountered on a night out. He's from a pickup company that largely advocates using cute social openers and relying on sub communications, what they call projecting your intent, to let her know you want to fuck as you game. At least half an hour passes, maybe even an hour, before he verbalizes his interest. She turns him down, and he gets pissed off ranting to anyone that would listen. He wasted his time gaming a girl who merely saw him as entertainment instead of a fuck. All this from a leader of the "I want to fuck you" without actually saying it school of thought, who has been practicing it for at least a decade. These boys like to say it doesn't matter whether you're indirect or direct, your sub comms will convey your sexual desire. Well, it failed for this master, and it failed fucking hard.

He would have saved himself a lot of time had he use your fav the, "I want to fuck". and he travels a lot too.

Does direct game have a higher rejection rate as you suggested? Yes. It's a price I'm willing to pay to quickly screen for girls who are very interested.

Post: #58

Yes, being playful is a natural way to generate attraction. The way you phrased it made it sound like a "neg" which is not a good thing to do in the daytime.

A prop distracts her from the main event, you. It's your value (posture, confidence, eye contact, tone, style, smile and perceptive observations and assumptions) that will attract her, not a clever routine. If you think it'll work, try it a dozen times and let us know the results.

What I wrote is just a generic opener that can be modified, but need not be complicated. All you are doing is starting a conversation, built on your attraction towards her, leading to a number or instant date.

Since one of the goals of guys on the forum is to get better with women, I want to attest to the fact that this way of approaching women works. I just had back to back nights of first dates with beautiful Polish girls I met this way. The important thing to remember is that no opener or method of approach is going to seal the deal, you have to bring value as a man, in its various forms, to get the women you want most.

(09-12-2013 11:19 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 10:11 AM)Nick Wrote:  I guess your joking? Try that and let us know how it goes.

Making a girl feel awkward and then making fun of her is just about the worst way to build attraction short of slapping her. Let's quit looking to witty lines and routines when what it comes down to is building your own value. I guess since people always want a short cut, "get rich quick schemes" and "pickup lines" will never go away.

Maybe you are just too stiff to be playful. You sound like you're on your period, so I can see how that would be difficult for you.

Joking with a girl and being playful is obviously a great way to build attraction. Awkward was a bad choice of words on my part, but being playful with a girl is hardly "the worst way to build attraction short of slapping her."

As far as routines, how is using a bill as a prop any more of a routine than what you wrote previously? Should we stop asking girls for a light as well?

Quote:"Excuse me. Can I tell you something really quickly? I just noticed you walking right now and I thought you looked really nice, so I wanted to come say hello. I noticed x which made me think of y, [or] you look very x,y,z because of the way you were walking, what you were wearing" etc.

Post: #59

(09-12-2013 05:04 PM)Altair Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 03:52 PM)gandt Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 02:08 PM)Altair Wrote:  You'll be disappointed as I'm neither a drinker or tall.

So as I understand it, you say you are fairly average and yet you plainly go up to women and tell them straight up you want to fuck...

Unfortunately, I'm going to disappoint you again. Me going up to sober girls walking alone in a dark neighborhood and telling them I want to fuck right off the bat is a figment of your active imagination.

You claim to have an array of experience with going direct. Then you should know it requires calibration. Telling her I want to fuck as an opener when buying temperature was low would have scared her off.

(09-12-2013 03:52 PM)gandt Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 02:08 PM)Altair Wrote:  My post wasn't meant for people who can't stand being direct. Judging from your prior post, you're too concerned with community dogma like being the prize. She'll be flattered that you "laid all your cards on the table" if she likes you.

As for your point about me being someone who can't stand being direct I have spent several years going up to women and plainly expressing that I thought they were; gorgeous, hot, sexy, cute, etc...

You're versed in this field, so what made you wrongfully assume I run up to bitches at night telling them I want to fuck.

(09-12-2013 03:52 PM)gandt Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 02:08 PM)Altair Wrote:  Being the prize was a concept developed by men to remind nice guys that they're more important than any girl; the purpose of this belief is to minimize unattractive behavior from guys and have them assume value. Girls aren't out there actively screening for the degree to which you uphold this belief.

Let me hold your hand and walk you through this like a little child...

There are various levels of game that apply to various types of women, social circles, demographics, cultures, countries...

As someone who has travelled the world, lived in multiple countries, spoken to girls in multiple languages, I can say that there are MANY types of game that can demonstrate a higher level of social intellect than simply saying "I. WANT. SEX. COME. WITH. ME".

Going direct and super sexual like this has gotten me bangs, don't get me wrong. But it has a time and place. The fact that you are professing that this is the best method for every situation just shows me that you are at a low level and do not know what you are talking about. Perhaps you are focusing on a low quality kind of girl. But anyone who chases various types of women, will immediately see the invalidity of your blanket statement.

You can still send the message "I want to fuck you" to a girl while being in direct. It is all in your body language, eye contact, smile, tone, etc...

Good luck cavemaning girls at night... You could probably get laid more often if you opened up your mind a bit.

Once again as someone who supposedly has a lot of experience with direct game, how did you come to the conclusion that, "I want sex, come with me!", is the default way of going about it. Your conclusion puts your credibility and lecturing into question.

Seeing the words direct opener in my previous post some how put your brain into autopilot and caused an emotional reaction.

If you're experienced, then you know there are different degrees of direct. You alter the level of directness depending on the circumstances. It can range from a tame, "I like you, who are you?", inside of a library to, "You're sexy, I want to MmMmM you.", for crazy party environments.

I like to verbalize my interest as soon as possible. There's no way it doesn't come into her consciousness once you back it with words. I'll tell you a story about one of the very famous pickup pros I encountered on a night out. He's from a pickup company that largely advocates using cute social openers and relying on sub communications, what they call projecting your intent, to let her know you want to fuck as you game. At least half an hour passes, maybe even an hour, before he verbalizes his interest. She turns him down, and he gets pissed off ranting to anyone that would listen. He wasted his time gaming a girl who merely saw him as entertainment instead of a fuck. All this from a leader of the "I want to fuck you" without actually saying it school of thought, who has been practicing it for at least a decade. These boys like to say it doesn't matter whether you're indirect or direct, your sub comms will convey your sexual desire. Well, it failed for this master, and it failed fucking hard.

He would have saved himself a lot of time had he use your fav the, "I want to fuck". and he travels a lot too.

Does direct game have a higher rejection rate as you suggested? Yes. It's a price I'm willing to pay to quickly screen for girls who are very interested.

I am starting to buy what you are saying now that you are backing it up with more detail.

What initially made me skeptical was that you said the Yad Stop was too "cute" for your liking and you like to go more direct. Seeing as the Yad stop already requires you say that you like her appearance, I interpreted the next level up (your style) as basically saying you want to fuck.

I agree with a lot of your last post and think there is plenty of validity to it.

Actually, I am interested to hear more about what makes your style less cute and fluffy than the Yad Stop.

Cheers.

Post: #60

(09-12-2013 05:36 PM)Nick Wrote:  Yes, being playful is a natural way to generate attraction. The way you phrased it made it sound like a "neg" which is not a good thing to do in the daytime.

A prop distracts her from the main event, you. It's your value (posture, confidence, eye contact, tone, style, smile and perceptive observations and assumptions) that will attract her, not a clever routine. If you think it'll work, try it a dozen times and let us know the results.

What I wrote is just a generic opener that can be modified, but need not be complicated. All you are doing is starting a conversation, built on your attraction towards her, leading to a number or instant date.

Since one of the goals of guys on the forum is to get better with women, I want to attest to the fact that this way of approaching women works. I just had back to back nights of first dates with beautiful Polish girls I met this way. The important thing to remember is that no opener or method of approach is going to seal the deal, you have to bring value as a man, in its various forms, to get the women you want most.

Thanks for trying to school me there, chief. But after seeing one of your YouTube interviews on your website, I think I'll get my "bring value as a man" advice from someone else.

Cheers.

Post: #61

(09-13-2013 06:40 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 05:36 PM)Nick Wrote:  Yes, being playful is a natural way to generate attraction. The way you phrased it made it sound like a "neg" which is not a good thing to do in the daytime.

A prop distracts her from the main event, you. It's your value (posture, confidence, eye contact, tone, style, smile and perceptive observations and assumptions) that will attract her, not a clever routine. If you think it'll work, try it a dozen times and let us know the results.

What I wrote is just a generic opener that can be modified, but need not be complicated. All you are doing is starting a conversation, built on your attraction towards her, leading to a number or instant date.

Since one of the goals of guys on the forum is to get better with women, I want to attest to the fact that this way of approaching women works. I just had back to back nights of first dates with beautiful Polish girls I met this way. The important thing to remember is that no opener or method of approach is going to seal the deal, you have to bring value as a man, in its various forms, to get the women you want most.

Thanks for trying to school me there, chief. But after seeing one of your YouTube interviews on your website, I think I'll get my "bring value as a man" advice from someone else.

Cheers.

Link?

Post: #62

I do use this stop in daygame.

It never scares the girl if done correctly, and I would say it has about a 90% success rate at getting the girl to stop.

It should only be used for DIRECT game. Using this with indirect is the stupidest thing I have heard.

It works wonderfully, and many times this stop shows so much masculinity that, on it's own, does all the attraction for you.

The whole point of it is that it must be followed by a lot of push-pull to make the intent ambiguous.