Post: #1

day game met a girl who was very very open to my swagger. went to my place, had a drink, kino. she asked for a hug and i said she could kiss me. the kiss was lame, closed mouth kiss (imagine kissin ur grandma.) later i went for it again and got the same thing. i took her a bit by force locked into her eyes and explained she didn't need to act that way (she was going on about how her breath is no good, she's got no make-up etc, fyi she's like 8-9/10) she resisted. eventually she turns away from me but presses her body (back) into mine. i gently wrap my arms around her and kiss her neck. she accepts for a few moments but panics and begins posturing for the door. i'm able to explain that of course everything is consensual and it feels like she wants it (like a billion iois) looking back i think she was holding off on the make-out because we met so recently (maybe 2 hours had elapsed) and perhaps wanted to maintain some feminine mystique. i reign her back in and we go for a walk before she needs to leave. she asks me out for a day 2.

as she's getting into her car i one more time insist on a real kiss. not because i wanted it but because i don't like sex progression to be like some sort of bargaining chip (of course this is retarded since most women prolly view sex that way) she gives me a closed mouth kiss. lol, i said she's acting like a troll and that i was unsure i'd want to see her again if this is how she kissed. she got very offended. tbh i do think i went too far and i likely killed a lot of attraction this way.

i texted her like 30 min after she left and received no reply, and this morning i sent her another text also no reply. i didn't say anything too stupid, just general good to meet you and a tip about dressing warmer for our next meet. i decided to text her again this morning too to invite her somewhere i was already going that she expressed interest in but again no reply. i see no point in sending a third text.

she said she was new here and hadn't really met that many people as cool as me so i'm banking on her getting bored in a couple days (when our date is supposed to be) and to look back on my insistence as not such a big deal. so my plan till then is to maintain radio silence.

i think part of her hesitance is that we're very well matched and prolly wants a relationship with me. in light of that would it be more prudent to call out my behavior as nothing weird and that she shouldn't let it get in the way? right now i think waiting is the best move.

basically wtv you tell me to do el mech your will be done

Post: #2

(08-04-2013 11:26 PM)cocko Wrote:  basically wtv you tell me to do el mech your will be done

haha Sounds like a challenge El!

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To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #3

RVF thread on escalation using touch

Well, I wasn't there. The way I read it, you came across as kind of aspie and tone deaf to what she was communicating to you.

She offers you the hug, take it. Put your face a very small distance above her head and smell her hair, breathe it in. Tell her she smells good.

Then you brush a small part of her hair back over her shoulder. (Obviously she has long hair because we here on RVF respect ourselves too much to go after a short haired girl. )

She mentions she's worried about her breath - go get some gum and each chew a piece.

She gives you a peck on the lips. Make fun of it. Shoot her a big smile. "Oh man! Was that good for you? Come here again for another one of those."

Game is selling and persuasion. There's a phrase about sales: "sell the sizzle and not the steak". Your actions are just repeating over and over again "so, do you want the steak now?". It's not persuasive.

Post: #4

ya i also read it as if she was interested cause she went to his house cause of his daygame but he was all kinds of thirsty after

Post: #5

I agree with Cali, it seemed like you texted her too quickly. I have a friend that gets in the same scenarios, great at opening and mid game, fair at closing, but always ruins it by texting too quickly. Despite my advice he never listens. His nickname is TTH (Tries too hard) amongst our group.

Post: #6

Just pointing out your mistakes young player. You came across as needy and desperate repeatedly going for the Kiss. It is a conundrum to solve when you need sex but have to appear non-needy. Also with repeated texting you are coming across as needy.

There are many threads on the forum on how to Handle LMR, read them and also read the specific sections in Bang and Day Bang.

Like some one mentioned it is the responsibility of the Man to remove any objections she has against Sex. I think 20 Nation or THC did a great article on it. what are the causes of LMR ?

1. She is not attracted to you.
2. She doesn't want to appear Slutty/too easy to bang on first meeting.
3. Young and Inexperienced.
4. Worried about how her body or part of her body looks naked.

Figure out the reason for the LMR and work on the Issue.

Post: #7

(08-05-2013 04:48 AM)Lothario Wrote:  You came across as needy and desperate repeatedly going for the Kiss.

definitely.. i've lost high quality girls in the late stages because of this impatience/neediness (TTH ITT) i feel the sting

Post: #8

Too needy brah. Too needy.

Post: #9

As hov would say, onto the next one.

Post: #10

Like the post above says, being pushy with kissing comes across as being needy and desperate. If you scatter your attempts persistently throughout a single get together, you're giving her all the power.

If the first attempt fails, let the pressure build up again before trying again. The least interested you appear, the more interesting you appear to her.

Post: #11

You should have ignored her after she was rejecting your advances. My posture and jawline do the talking for me even when my mouth is closed. When an 8 or better gets on an elevator with me, I say nothing. I stand tall and stare right through them. After a few moments you can smell the aroma of the labia heating up. I've been attacked before.

Post: #12

"i said she's acting like a troll and that i was unsure i'd want to see her again if this is how she kissed"
-instead of attacking her, you should have mocked her (i.e. tell her that you understand she is afraid since she isn't a good kisser) or just plain ignored her-

"tbh i do think i went too far and i likely killed a lot of attraction this way"
- yes you did-

"i texted her like 30 min after she left and received no reply, and this morning i sent her another text also no reply"
- no, no and no. even if you fuck her brains out, do not text for at least 36 hours, so to avoid been seen as needy, giving her importance, and even better, to allow her to text you. 30 mins after screams AFC and needines-

Do not worry, we all learn from our errors.