Post: #26

The only thing that makes me break out is chocolate. If I eat a Hershey's bar or something similar I'll definitely have a big pimple on my face the next day.

Post: #27

The whole reason people started drinking the milk in the first place, is cause they realized instead of killing the animal and having enough food to eat for a week or two, they could milk the cow and get enough Food to last them several months. That's how the human population expanded from 10,000 to 1 Million plus (and eventually 7 Billion after agriculture)

I'd say
Meat > Dairy > Grains
in that order

(08-04-2013 12:41 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 12:35 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  If anything, sleep patterns, poor hydration, or slacking on my skincare regimen have bigger effect.

My skin always looks better when constantly staying hydrated, but I see a bigger difference with the infused h2o. Combined with ACV and amino collagens/hyralonic acid, I glow.

What brand amino collagens/hyralonic acid do you use?

Post: #28

Love love love dairy! When i'm bulking i'll substitute all of my liquid intake with whole milk outside of the gym. It helps a ton for me to meet my caloric intake.

I got some acne from whole milk, but that gradually change. At first I was bloated with the whole milk but when i started taking a probiotic before bed. That helped a ton of other issues.

I don't get bloated from dairy any more unless i stop my dairy intake and not restart with a probiotic.

I love yogurt too. The more the merrier.

I may switch to goat milk in the future.

Post: #29

(08-06-2013 09:54 AM)Low Status Beta Wrote:  What brand amino collagens/hyralonic acid do you use?

I use these two brands:

http://elavonne.com/elavonne-products/am...onic-acid/


http://collageena.com/


Both are different. Ela Vonne has hyaluronic acid and vitamin C. Collageena has protein and some other stuff. Depending on your goals, or what you already take for working out or health, both brand can compliment. I swear by the stuff. I started a thread on it somewhere.

I mix 2 scoops in coconut water, and add 1 oz of ACV, with dash of cayenne pepper. Goes down easy and is my "super shot".

Post: #30

Raw goats milk and raw yogurt do not cause inflammation like pasteurized cows milk. Go uddermilk.com that's the site I use. Or just google dairy farms in your area.

Post: #31

Telling somebody that there is no link between diet and their acne, and that it is likely psychosomatic, just because it doesn't have the same effect on you, is very condescending. Some of us have experimented extremely carefully with our nutrition over time, and to have somebody tell us that any patterns we've noticed are in our heads is belittling.

To the OP, milk and other dairy causes acne in me too. Only around the chin and jaw though (this is quite a common pattern). It's definitely the milk too, as I could literally drink a glass today and break out with a few spots around my chin and jaw tomorrow. I haven't consumed dairy besides the odd small piece of cheese in years for this reason.

Beef and lamb also cause this, but not quite as strongly as dairy, and so I avoid them too. Pork I'm fine with though, and eat around 500g per day with no ill effects. Again this is fairly common. Grass fed beef might be better, but I'll never know as I'm not going to pay for it.

The only other thing that affects my skin is if I were to eat a large amount of sugary foods (and I mean a lot), and even then it's just that my T zone gets a little more oily, and I might have the odd small spot in that area.

Post: #32

(08-06-2013 09:54 AM)Low Status Beta Wrote:  The whole reason people started drinking the milk in the first place, is cause they realized instead of killing the animal and having enough food to eat for a week or two, they could milk the cow and get enough Food to last them several months. That's how the human population expanded from 10,000 to 1 Million plus (and eventually 7 Billion after agriculture)

I'd say
Meat > Dairy > Grains
in that order

Why would you assume this?

I am not sure the reasons behind milk as a staple but keep in my Cows milk was only a staple in parts of central Europe. The Dairy cow is 100% European and 80-90%% of the world did not mess with it for thousands of years.

Food is energy and you need energy to get food energy. Hunting was energy intensive but you were rewarded with a abundance of energy for your work. A full cow with its usable meat is 400-500lbs of meat with about 100-130lbs of fat which will give you a estimate of like 664500 +/- calories. That is enough flesh to feed a family of five for a long time, months even.

Even more abundant in nutrients and your return on your energy ratio was agriculture where a human could use its brain to create sophisticated growing systems that would yield them more calories for less work. The human diet never historically had more then 30-40% flesh in their diet. There wasn't enough energy or time in the day to make it happen in those older times, it was meat once or twice a week for most with grains and plants adding to the bulk of their food they ate. In today's world with cheap oil and subsidies us in the West can we consume 70% meat weighted diets

Your not milking 600K Calories from a set of cow. Plus nobody likes to think of how they had to rotate pregnant Cows back in the day, a cow is still a animal and milk can only be produced when its pregnant, so not sure what type of shit they did before science caught up with insemination practices. Plus, many factors made raising cows difficult as many groups of people did prefer chickens, pigs, goats, lambs as grazing animals for food because they were easier to maintain. You couldn't keep cows close to where you lived like chickens or goats or they would eat of your plants and grasses up. Cows generally were on their pastures up hill where more bountiful grasses were and humans had to trek up to get milk from them each day.

You could have one or two cows but if none of them got pregnant what would you do?

Prior to insemination practices I assume Europeans got to love Veal as a meat source because if you had a pregnant cow in the pasture her babies were going to be drinking your milk. You had to 'X'-off those small cows to maintain the milk for your family. The milk runs out eventually and if you continue to kill off your your young cows to get milk you just end up killing off your population of cows once your milkers age and get used for meat.

This is why goats have always been superior. They aren't fussy with food, and can be herded up and caged easily, and work better in more diverse climates. 70% of the worlds population eats goat meat and many more groups of people have a tolerance in digesting goat dairy products. You could have 10-12 goats pastured up on a small plot of land while you need a football field to feed two fucking cows. This was why the goat was the staple grazing animal for people whom did not mess around with pork, or did not have bison or other substantial game near them to hunt down with ease. Goats are way way more resilient to and can live in more mountainous parts of the globe, each corner of the globe has been able to raise goats well.



Cheap oil was the reason the earth's population grew so rapidly. You can almost cross-plain the charts of population growth and access to cheap fuel and they almost follow each other exactly. Cheap oil great lowered the ROI that we get from food energy and thus populations were able to sustain themselves much cheaper and with less energy.

My theory is that Europeans favoured Cows milk just because the climate in those parts with the rolling hills just made it easier, plus the fact that every culture/group had some type of pro-biotic staple in their diets for good bacteria. My guess is Europeans just used raw milk for this purpose and for the good fats and vitamins you can get from it from well fed cows. But in a modern sense the stuff is just sludge, without the good bacteria and cows eating healthy grass their milk is no better then garbage.



^ You can't fuck with that. This is a pasture in Ireland and these parts of the globe just have amazing grasses, the cows must of just thrived in that environment.

Post: #33

Well said.

I tried Gomad with whole cows milk and put on weight and strength at first. But two weeks in ended up with a horrible cold with more flem than I've ever had in my life.

I tried it with raw goats milk at about a half gallon a day and had no flem.

But it hurt my wallet bad. Now I get it once in a while.

In a perfect world I would have a goat in my yard where I could get milk from it whenever I wanted.

Raw carrot juice mixed with raw goats milk is a potent elixir for all those juice heads out there.

Post: #34

http://www.eatright.org/Media/content.as...gEpDNLqliJ

"A study published in the Journal of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics has determined that there is increasing evidence of a connection between diet and acne, particularly from high glycemic load diets and dairy products, and that medical nutrition therapy (MNT) can play an important role in acne treatment."

Post: #35

Kosko, awesome recommendation.

Got my hands on some chevre (goat cheese), and it's terrific. Doesn't leave me with that sinking, painfully full feeling that dairy sometimes gives me. Has the consistency of cream cheese almost, yet it has protein. Very versatile. Goes great with dark berries, mashed together, tastes like a tart version of those fruit yogurts; going to try it with baked potato next.

I can see stocking a couple pounds of this at all times, for in between meals or when I'm too lazy to make a full meal.

Post: #36

Generally, I drink heavy whipping cream or mix it with various foods, including coffee. I am a bit bothered by the inaccessibility of Raw milk products to much of the US of A, and to the extent that raw milk products are accessible, they are so freaking expensive. The regulations have caused this scarcity and increases in price for raw milk products. I cannot justify spending around $20 per gallon of raw milk or equivalent raw milk products.

Not only does the pasteurization and homogenization screw up the nutritional value of milk. Milk has also been screwed up by the removal of fat and the adding of sugar flavorings.. then put in the schools and told that low fat is good for you. Actually, low fat in milk causes a sugar rush that will be very similar to drinking a soda (of course the amount of the sugar rush will vary from person to person and will vary depending on if flavorings are added too).

Also eating butter is good for us, and we can get certain kinds of fats from butter that are difficult to find in other foods.

Butter does have a lower smoking point than some other foods, but it tolerates heat pretty well. Sometimes I cook with butter, when I am not cooking with coconut oil or with beef or pork fat.

Post: #37

Yeh Raw Milk is where it's at, but that shit is hard to find even here in dairy obsessed Ireland
Our Dept of Agriculture actually banned raw milk a few years back!
And even though the ban was lifted since then, it set the raw milk movement here back a bit
Still there are some signs of it coming back, but you pretty much have to hunt it down in farmer's markets here and there, I think there is one shop in South Dublin somewhere that stocks it, but haven't ventured out there yet

Post: #38

(10-04-2013 06:03 PM)amity Wrote:  Yeh Raw Milk is where it's at, but that shit is hard to find even here in dairy obsessed Ireland
Our Dept of Agriculture actually banned raw milk a few years back!
And even though the ban was lifted since then, it set the raw milk movement here back a bit
Still there are some signs of it coming back, but you pretty much have to hunt it down in farmer's markets here and there, I think there is one shop in South Dublin somewhere that stocks it, but haven't ventured out there yet

There is a similar problem in the US of A. Actually, probably our Govt is the one that brought about this problem in so many locations around the world. I am actually NOT an anti-govt person; however, the milk situation is an example in which the US govt. assisted capital to misinform the American people... and starting in the 20s and 30s were relying on false studies to justify the pasteurization and homogenization of milk products.

So, now strong myths remain about raw milk and it remains so difficult to find raw milk products and when we can it is way tooooo overpriced. Yes, there are quite a few examples of people who have problems with dairy products; however, if they were to have access to raw dairy products, it is very likely that a large percentage of those supposed "dairy problems" would vanish into thin air.... VIOLA gone!!!!!!

Here's good source link to information about raw milk.

http://www.realmilk.com/

Here's additional information regarding milk nutrition:
http://www.westonaprice.org/faq/faq-dairy

Post: #39

I finally decided to give up dairy. Dairy has been a staple of my diet my entire life. I went from exchanging ice cream for greek yogurt, and goat cheese from real cheese, to giving it up completely. It's been two weeks now and the cravings are now gone and I think I feel better. A little early to tell though.

3 weeks ago a guy in my gym referred me to a nutritionist doctor in Santa Monica. Guy charges $1,000 to test your blood and evaluate diet. (I'm hoping to be able to get him lower through my gym friend.)

I bought his book for $17, "Turn up the Heat". In it he states that getting protein from dairy is inefficient because the body utilizes the protein in dairy first as a milk sugar, which people have a hard time digesting, i.e., lactose intolerant.

It's actually a great book that helped me identify a calorie deficiency in my diet, and, the book provided an outline of meals for me. I finally feel like I found a road map for my diet.

It's been two weeks. I'll report back in January.

Post: #40

(10-05-2013 12:43 AM)CaP7 Wrote:  I finally decided to give up dairy. Dairy has been a staple of my diet my entire life. I went from exchanging ice cream for greek yogurt, and goat cheese from real cheese, to giving it up completely. It's been two weeks now and the cravings are now gone and I think I feel better. A little early to tell though.

3 weeks ago a guy in my gym referred me to a nutritionist doctor in Santa Monica. Guy charges $1,000 to test your blood and evaluate diet. (I'm hoping to be able to get him lower through my gym friend.)

I bought his book for $17, "Turn up the Heat". In it he states that getting protein from dairy is inefficient because the body utilizes the protein in dairy first as a milk sugar, which people have a hard time digesting, i.e., lactose intolerant.

It's actually a great book that helped me identify a calorie deficiency in my diet, and, the book provided an outline of meals for me. I finally feel like I found a road map for my diet.

It's been two weeks. I'll report back in January.

CaP7 - I am glad that you seem to have found the source for some of the symptoms you were having; however, I am curious about whether this doctor or naturalpath has looked into whether there is a difference between raw dairy and processed dairy. I am pretty sure that the studies show that raw dairy does not have as many problems; however, whether that raw dairy would have been helpful to you may be another question.

Post: #41

(10-05-2013 07:26 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 12:43 AM)CaP7 Wrote:  I finally decided to give up dairy. Dairy has been a staple of my diet my entire life. I went from exchanging ice cream for greek yogurt, and goat cheese from real cheese, to giving it up completely. It's been two weeks now and the cravings are now gone and I think I feel better. A little early to tell though.

3 weeks ago a guy in my gym referred me to a nutritionist doctor in Santa Monica. Guy charges $1,000 to test your blood and evaluate diet. (I'm hoping to be able to get him lower through my gym friend.)

I bought his book for $17, "Turn up the Heat". In it he states that getting protein from dairy is inefficient because the body utilizes the protein in dairy first as a milk sugar, which people have a hard time digesting, i.e., lactose intolerant.

It's actually a great book that helped me identify a calorie deficiency in my diet, and, the book provided an outline of meals for me. I finally feel like I found a road map for my diet.

It's been two weeks. I'll report back in January.

CaP7 - I am glad that you seem to have found the source for some of the symptoms you were having; however, I am curious about whether this doctor or naturalpath has looked into whether there is a difference between raw dairy and processed dairy. I am pretty sure that the studies show that raw dairy does not have as many problems; however, whether that raw dairy would have been helpful to you may be another question.

Raw dairy has the necessary enzymes to help break down the lactose present in the milk, without it very few people can actually break down the stuff.

So its not like Dairy is "bad" its just processed and homogenized shit is but its hard to get the real deal so no point ploughing in the shitty stuff into you.

I haven't drank milk in 5 months now and don't miss it one bit.

Post: #42

(10-05-2013 11:19 AM)kosko Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 07:26 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 12:43 AM)CaP7 Wrote:  I finally decided to give up dairy. Dairy has been a staple of my diet my entire life. I went from exchanging ice cream for greek yogurt, and goat cheese from real cheese, to giving it up completely. It's been two weeks now and the cravings are now gone and I think I feel better. A little early to tell though.

3 weeks ago a guy in my gym referred me to a nutritionist doctor in Santa Monica. Guy charges $1,000 to test your blood and evaluate diet. (I'm hoping to be able to get him lower through my gym friend.)

I bought his book for $17, "Turn up the Heat". In it he states that getting protein from dairy is inefficient because the body utilizes the protein in dairy first as a milk sugar, which people have a hard time digesting, i.e., lactose intolerant.

It's actually a great book that helped me identify a calorie deficiency in my diet, and, the book provided an outline of meals for me. I finally feel like I found a road map for my diet.

It's been two weeks. I'll report back in January.

CaP7 - I am glad that you seem to have found the source for some of the symptoms you were having; however, I am curious about whether this doctor or naturalpath has looked into whether there is a difference between raw dairy and processed dairy. I am pretty sure that the studies show that raw dairy does not have as many problems; however, whether that raw dairy would have been helpful to you may be another question.

Raw dairy has the necessary enzymes to help break down the lactose present in the milk, without it very few people can actually break down the stuff.

So its not like Dairy is "bad" its just processed and homogenized shit is but its hard to get the real deal so no point ploughing in the shitty stuff into you.

I haven't drank milk in 5 months now and don't miss it one bit.

Kosko, I figure the heavy whipping cream may not be so bad and the Greek yogurt with high fat and no added sugar may not be so bad (and even have some nutrient and pro-biotic reasons to take it); however, ultimately, you may be correct that eliminating dairy completely may be the better way to go.

A guy may want to try both with and without to see whether he feels better or worse one way or another? Nonetheless, I am definitely for eliminating any low fat variants of dairy.

Post: #43

(10-05-2013 11:36 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 11:19 AM)kosko Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 07:26 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 12:43 AM)CaP7 Wrote:  I finally decided to give up dairy. Dairy has been a staple of my diet my entire life. I went from exchanging ice cream for greek yogurt, and goat cheese from real cheese, to giving it up completely. It's been two weeks now and the cravings are now gone and I think I feel better. A little early to tell though.

3 weeks ago a guy in my gym referred me to a nutritionist doctor in Santa Monica. Guy charges $1,000 to test your blood and evaluate diet. (I'm hoping to be able to get him lower through my gym friend.)

I bought his book for $17, "Turn up the Heat". In it he states that getting protein from dairy is inefficient because the body utilizes the protein in dairy first as a milk sugar, which people have a hard time digesting, i.e., lactose intolerant.

It's actually a great book that helped me identify a calorie deficiency in my diet, and, the book provided an outline of meals for me. I finally feel like I found a road map for my diet.

It's been two weeks. I'll report back in January.

CaP7 - I am glad that you seem to have found the source for some of the symptoms you were having; however, I am curious about whether this doctor or naturalpath has looked into whether there is a difference between raw dairy and processed dairy. I am pretty sure that the studies show that raw dairy does not have as many problems; however, whether that raw dairy would have been helpful to you may be another question.

Raw dairy has the necessary enzymes to help break down the lactose present in the milk, without it very few people can actually break down the stuff.

So its not like Dairy is "bad" its just processed and homogenized shit is but its hard to get the real deal so no point ploughing in the shitty stuff into you.

I haven't drank milk in 5 months now and don't miss it one bit.

Kosko, I figure the heavy whipping cream may not be so bad and the Greek yogurt with high fat and no added sugar may not be so bad (and even have some nutrient and pro-biotic reasons to take it); however, ultimately, you may be correct that eliminating dairy completely may be the better way to go.

A guy may want to try both with and without to see whether he feels better or worse one way or another? Nonetheless, I am definitely for eliminating any low fat variants of dairy.

You pick your poison. I don't drink milk but I still eat Yogurt too because IMO the bacteria present in it does your body good. High fat dairy is the best to consume because at least your getting some high and dense calories out of it.

As mentioned above by another post stuff like low fat dairy, or skim milk is just sugar for the system and has little to know benefits for you.

Watch out for yoghurt especially Greek yoghurt, the real stuff should have around 10% Milk Fat (M.F.) in it. Its trendy now to eat so a lot of the brands just use skim milk powder and guar gum to mimic the natural consistency of the real stuff to save on costs, but also to consumers whom are obsessed with low calories and low fat foods. Guar gum is hard for the body to digest and its best to avoid it as it can cause bloating and cramps in some people.

Post: #44

Milk/dairy raises the non gay testosterone in males. In women it makes their butts and boobies bigger.

Post: #45

Kefir has much more variety of bacteria than yogurt so you don't need to drink as much. Its a liquid like yogurt with different fermentation cultures.

Butter usually doesn't give me a problem, but ghee has no problems at all. Cooks much better too since it doesn't brown and doesn't need to be refrigerated.

Post: #46

I drink whole milk (vitamin D) to get protein and what not. Bulking on a budget comprises of Vitamin D milk as well as tuna. I haven't been on it consistently enough to be able to asses its benefits.

Post: #47

Milk is a dead food -- period. Unless you live in one of the few states where you can buy it raw. Milk is boiled to kill all bacteria. Guess what? Boiling the milk also kills anything nutritious -- including the enzymes that you body needs to digest the milk. That is why lactose intolerant people can drink raw milk, but not pasteurized milk.

When you are young, your body can produce and replace the enzymes that the dead (pasteurized) milk no longer contains. If you eat and drink a great deal of dairy products, you will lose the ability to produce those enzymes as you age. That is why people become lactose intolerant as they age. Stay away from dead dairy products and eat only live dairy products. I speak from experience.

Live dairies are clean out of necessity. Dead dairies are pig sties with feces and mucus in the milk. Who cares. The boiling will kill all the bacteria. Have fun drinking the boiled feces and bacteria.

You can thank government intervention in the free market for all these problems. If you want more information, read "The Milk Book: The Milk of Human Kindness Is Not Pasteurized" by by William Campbell Douglass II, MD.

Quote:If you knew what we know about milk ... BLEEECHT! All that pasteurization, homogenization and processing is not only cooking all the nutrients right out of your favorite drink. It's also adding toxic levels of vitamin D. This fascinating book tells the whole story about milk. How it once was nature's nearly perfect food. . . how "raw," unprocessed milk can heal and boost your immune system ~ why you can't buy it legally in this country anymore, and what we could do to change that.

http://www.amazon.com/Milk-Book-Human-Ki...+milk+book

Post: #48

I just tried pastured Jersey milk. Non-homogenized. Pasteurized at a lower temperature. Tasted better, but it still gave me a slight 'pit in my stomach' feeling. Seems like if it isn't raw or from a sheep or goat, it's not worth it.

Post: #49

(10-09-2013 12:28 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  Dead dairies are pig sties with feces and mucus in the milk. Who cares. The boiling will kill all the bacteria. Have fun drinking the boiled feces and bacteria.

Tail Gunner:
I agree with your post, and thanks for pointing out those various resources, as well.

I recognize your point about the feces and the bacteria that may be in the milk in modern production facilities and that paints a grim and disgusting picture; however, it is my view that if we were drinking raw dairy that is nutritious - as compared with empty processed dairy, then likely our bodies could deal with any contaminants that may get into the raw milk - if that were to take place.

My opinion is similar regarding the eating of irradiated food and GMOs. We do not know the extent to which our food may be irradiated or GMOs b/c there is no legal requirement to label those foods.

My point is that if we get nutrition through foods in their natural whole states (unprocessed and we chose the extent that we may want to process them or heat them), then our bodies would likely be able to better tolerate a large quantity of any impurities that may exist and be introduced through the food. Also, it is likely that our bodies thrive from some impurities, such as dirt in the food.... ok. i will stop, while I am ahead.

Post: #50

Jay, after thinking about it, I realized that pasteurization and industrial dairy production go hand in hand. When you produce dairy on an industrial scale, at the lowest possible cost, you start creating an environment where bacteria can reach dangerous levels, with the cow sitting in its own feces all day. All these 'safety' measures are essential to ensure animal products aren't outright poisonous, because the animals are raised in such unsanitary conditions. It's like boiling urine to make it potable - it probably won't kill you at that point, but do you really want to be drinking it?