Post: #126

(08-10-2013 08:02 AM)Purple Urkle Wrote:  

(08-09-2013 04:16 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Purple Urkle Wrote:Yeah, the white victim thing ain't gonna' fly. Most of us are a product of our upbringing.

This is almost a trivial point. The fact that we are a product of our upbringing is not the point - the point is whether or not our upbringing is any good.

Generally speaking, the left believe traditional American culture is bad and must be radically changed, whereas the right believe that traditions exist for a reason and only need slight adjustments and reforms.

Where is this mythical Americana upbringing? No disrespect Samseau because you know I love your work, but I just have never seen it.

Where? Pretty much everywhere in the US. Where there exceptions? Of course. Was it idyllic? That's an unfairly strong word. Was it identical everywhere? Obviously not. But by and large, the pattern from the 50s to the 90s was 2-parent, 1-family dwellings with children who attended a nearby school during the day. There was a gradual shift from 1-income to 2-income households as women increasingly entered the workforce.

Quote:I've seen what I thought were good solid white bread heterosexual "traditional" marriages blow up and produce unhappy gay children and I've seen a mixed race gay marriage go twenty years and counting that produces happy heterosexual offspring. I don't need a second hand theory to explain to me an unexplainable fact.

Gay couples represent a tiny fraction of the population. They are an irrelevant distraction.

Post: #127

Here's a good one for all the "conservative" racist white cowards out there who won't just step up to the plate and say "Yeah, I have some racist tendencies and attitudes... I've used the n-word before... but I love America and want to make this a better country so let's all sit down together and speak honestly without anger or fear so I can authentically explain my position to you." But white male Republicans refuse to do this. Why don't all you white conservatives out there walk the talk and boycott all liberal invented products, services and art? This would mean no more iPhones or Apple products for you, no more Microsoft stock, Bob Marley, The Matrix (Keanu Reeves and the brothers W. who directed are liberal gays), and any product or service or cultural phenomenon that originated in California (Extreme sports, Hollywood, Guns n' Roses, Cal Tech, Disney, JPL, Boeing, Hughes Aircraft, Metallica, Levis, etc.), and any and all sports where the majority of the players are black and vote Democrat? Then you better boycott those communist Cuban cigars while you are at it and never do business with those atheists over there in China. Liberals are awesome... don't bite the artistic hand that feeds. Either that or erase every bit of black and white liberal invented art from your iPod, computer and television. Walk the talk. If we suck so bad then banish us from your life.

Post: #128

(08-10-2013 08:19 AM)Purple Urkle Wrote:  The color of green makes everyone act white.

Is that so. What is "acting white" pray tell? Pulling your pants up and not dressing like a thug? Not swearing at your kid and calling him a nigga? Going to school and pursuing higher education? Clenching your buttcheeks and strutting down the street like a buffoon?

Post: #129

(08-10-2013 09:07 AM)Blaster Wrote:  

(08-10-2013 08:02 AM)Purple Urkle Wrote:  

(08-09-2013 04:16 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Purple Urkle Wrote:Yeah, the white victim thing ain't gonna' fly. Most of us are a product of our upbringing.

This is almost a trivial point. The fact that we are a product of our upbringing is not the point - the point is whether or not our upbringing is any good.

Generally speaking, the left believe traditional American culture is bad and must be radically changed, whereas the right believe that traditions exist for a reason and only need slight adjustments and reforms.

Where is this mythical Americana upbringing? No disrespect Samseau because you know I love your work, but I just have never seen it.

Where? Pretty much everywhere in the US. Where there exceptions? Of course. Was it idyllic? That's an unfairly strong word. Was it identical everywhere? Obviously not. But by and large, the pattern from the 50s to the 90s was 2-parent, 1-family dwellings with children who attended a nearby school during the day. There was a gradual shift from 1-income to 2-income households as women increasingly entered the workforce.

Quote:I've seen what I thought were good solid white bread heterosexual "traditional" marriages blow up and produce unhappy gay children and I've seen a mixed race gay marriage go twenty years and counting that produces happy heterosexual offspring. I don't need a second hand theory to explain to me an unexplainable fact.

Gay couples represent a tiny fraction of the population. They are an irrelevant distraction.

Just own it and say you don't like gay people or black people or brown people or whoever it is you don't like. No need to qualify it. "They" are an irrelevant distraction to you, but I see them as my brother, my sister, my friend, my co-worker, my boss, my congressman, my doctor, and my employee, and I assure you that they are relevant to me.

Post: #130

(08-10-2013 09:14 AM)Blaster Wrote:  

(08-10-2013 08:19 AM)Purple Urkle Wrote:  The color of green makes everyone act white.

Is that so. What is "acting white" pray tell? Pulling your pants up and not dressing like a thug? Not swearing at your kid and calling him a nigga? Going to school and pursuing higher education? Clenching your buttcheeks and strutting down the street like a buffoon?

No, acting white is the way you are acting now. Just self-righteous and entitled and full of venom and negative opinions about people you have never met and groups of people you have never been part of. Money makes most people (regardless of race or gender) feel powerful and therefore "above" others. You get enraged by all this "behaviour" you see as "ugly" (sagging pants, loud public speech, etc.), but that is your opinion. Maybe this unknown kid with sagging pants has been beaten or raped? Would that soften your stance? I find Bill O'Reilly to be a larger destructive force on culture than anything emanating from the fairly powerless culture of youth. But then again, I could be wrong for this is just another unfounded opinion based on the unknown.

Post: #131

What exactly is acting "white"?

Post: #132

(08-10-2013 09:43 AM)CThunder86 Wrote:  What exactly is acting "white"?

It's similar to acting gay or acting thug or acting like a troll except it's acting "white," you know like a wealthy plantation owner who beats and rapes slaves, steals their paychecks and then knocks em' up and then won't pay for the abortion because abortions are immoral and the black women was asking for it anyhow because she is a slut, was drunk, and was wearing a short skirt.

Anyhow, all joking aside, I'm out of here before I get banned for being off message. I've said my peace. I appreciate everyone's input and opinions. I love the passion and intelligence even though we disagree. Keep on rock'n in the free world.

Post: #133

Race is not a waste of time if you take the time to dispel the underlying motives. You can't just tell a man that he is wrong, you have to show him his error and teach him to fix it. If it is not possible, then by his ignorance he does harm only to himself. If you take offense, you do harm to yourself. Instead of berating people for lack of understanding and subsequent fear of others that are different, encourage them to see differences as something that can bring people together. Or at the very least something that does not matter. By succumbing to the ignorance of others we sometimes become part of the problem.

Post: #134

I'd like to have a serious discussion with you Urkle, but your relativism and denial is too ridiculous.

Bro, you live in California. You've watched it go from a white paradise of the pre-1970's to the multi-cultural police state bankruptcy case it's becoming today. You, above all people, know what white culture is, why it is great, why it is dying with your generation.

White America is dying because of cowardice you display right now, the cowardice of refusing to defend yourself. Keep self-flagellating yourself in front of the non-whites, I'm sure that will make them accept you.

If Don Lemon is an Uncle Tom then you are same thing for the white side.

Quote: Pure latent racism. And Don is a gay, light skinned, millionaire "black" celebrity... not the best spokesperson for the so-called "state" of the black American family.

Funny how you will deny that such a thing as white America exists, and yet here you are acting so confidently on what the "real" black America is like. And what difference does it make if Don is gay? You a homophobe for black gays but not white gays?

Urkle, I like you man, I really do, but take some time to give yourself some serious introspection. Re-read your last 6 posts and tell me how to make coherence of them. You contradict yourself so much it would take me pages to list them all.

Post: #135

@Samsaeu: Will do. I respect your opinion and will defer to your critique. Narcissistic political trolling is a hard habit to break. Lol. Just opinions. I'm letting them go. Respect to the forum.

Post: #136

(08-10-2013 09:40 AM)Purple Urkle Wrote:  

(08-10-2013 09:14 AM)Blaster Wrote:  

(08-10-2013 08:19 AM)Purple Urkle Wrote:  The color of green makes everyone act white.

Is that so. What is "acting white" pray tell? Pulling your pants up and not dressing like a thug? Not swearing at your kid and calling him a nigga? Going to school and pursuing higher education? Clenching your buttcheeks and strutting down the street like a buffoon?

No, acting white is the way you are acting now. Just self-righteous and entitled and full of venom and negative opinions about people you have never met and groups of people you have never been part of. Money makes most people (regardless of race or gender) feel powerful and therefore "above" others. You get enraged by all this "behaviour" you see as "ugly" (sagging pants, loud public speech, etc.), but that is your opinion. Maybe this unknown kid with sagging pants has been beaten or raped? Would that soften your stance? I find Bill O'Reilly to be a larger destructive force on culture than anything emanating from the fairly powerless culture of youth. But then again, I could be wrong for this is just another unfounded opinion based on the unknown.

The only thing that bothers me is when some guy like Don Lemon, who appears to be a douchebag but is at least articulate, comes out and makes some cultural criticisms, rather than deny them or make any kind of reasonable attempt to show why what he's saying is bunk, you not only rely on ad hominem, but specifically call him out for acting white.

That's a great way to completely short-circuit any possibility of reasonable discussion about cultural conflicts.

btw in terms of behavior that can cause friction (eg saggy pants), no I am absolutely not going to trust Don Lemon to correctly describe either the clothes, behavior, or the consequences. His audience is older and middle-aged white people and he's playing to their prejudices. They shot a bunch of film of kids wearing obnoxious clothes and got on the high horse for pageviews. The general point, though, is that not all unwanted reactions can be attributed to racism.

Post: #137

(08-09-2013 08:57 AM)Purple Urkle Wrote:  Yeah, the white victim thing ain't gonna' fly.[...]

(08-10-2013 08:02 AM)Purple Urkle Wrote:  [...]
I heard a Rush Limbaugh radio broadcast and he was spouting the same stupid shit... "the economy is tanking because of feminists, humanists, culturalists, artists and civil rights activists" and that they are not needed because racism doesn't exist and women dont get raped." Guess what? The broadcast was from 20 years ago.

(08-10-2013 09:11 AM)Purple Urkle Wrote:  This would mean no more...Cal Tech,[...]

this part of the convo stirred up a memory. back in the Days of Yore--the early 1990's-- my chemestry professor, a PhD from Cal Tech, said, in front of class, that The White Man Had It So-o-o-o Hard And Was So-o-o-o Opressed In America.

Post: #138

@Samseau: A couple last points. I don't feel my white maleness is under attack so I have no need to defend it. I try not to let others (feminists, non-whites, etc.) and abstract cultural phenomenon to define me. As for California "failing" and falling into the ocean that is just not reality. California is one of the greatest "countries" on earth and Google and Facebook are doing just fine operating under its systems of government, taxation and commerce. Disney and MGM and Paramount and Capitol Records don't seem to be abandoning ship either. Sometimes I don't get this about the white side of the MANosphere... they say women and blacks are weak and inferior yet they are scared shitless of feminist conspiracy and non-white power. Which is it? Are these groups weak and stupid or so strong that they are able to castrate American masculinity and white male culture? As for me pandering for the black vote, I reject that simply because of my track record in the community. Put it this way, come with me to a black church in Watts on a Sunday and you spout your rhetoric to the congregation and I'll spout mine and we'll see who gets invited to Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles after the service and whose gots ta' slip out the back door and into an armoured vehicle. I got street cred in the hood, believe it or not I ain't no forward or reverse Uncle Tom just a man who chooses sides and goes to bat for the lesser of two evils. Respect to all, especially you Samsaeu, I love you man.

Post: #139

(08-10-2013 09:58 PM)Purple Urkle Wrote:  @Samseau: A couple last points. I don't feel my white maleness is under attack so I have no need to defend it. I try not to let others (feminists, non-whites, etc.) and abstract cultural phenomenon to define me. As for California "failing" and falling into the ocean that is just not reality. California is one of the greatest "countries" on earth and Google and Facebook are doing just fine operating under its systems of government, taxation and commerce. Disney and MGM and Paramount and Capitol Records don't seem to be abandoning ship either. Sometimes I don't get this about the white side of the MANosphere... they say women and blacks are weak and inferior yet they are scared shitless of feminist conspiracy and non-white power. Which is it? Are these groups weak and stupid or so strong that they are able to castrate American masculinity and white male culture? As for me pandering for the black vote, I reject that simply because of my track record in the community. Put it this way, come with me to a black church in Watts on a Sunday and you spout your rhetoric to the congregation and I'll spout mine and we'll see who gets invited to Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles after the service and whose gots ta' slip out the back door and into an armoured vehicle. I got street cred in the hood, believe it or not I ain't no forward or reverse Uncle Tom just a man who chooses sides and goes to bat for the lesser of two evils. Respect to all, especially you Samsaeu, I love you man.

That's because you're an imbecile.

Have you even, I don't know, READ what some of these scumbags produce? Does the name Tim Wise ring a bell?

It's a shame that this site, red pill as it claims to be, is blue pill as fuck when it comes to race.

Black people have an average IQ of 85. They also happen to commit astronomical rates of crime in the US and in Africa. This entire "race is a social construct" is what will be looked at in the future as the creationism of our day. They will laugh at you.

Read some more Roissy and amren for God's sake.