Post: #101

(08-08-2013 02:00 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Scorpian, you raise many excellent points, however I believe you are off on a few things. Regardless I will post later when I have the time to address some of your points in an effort to change your mind. Specifically the effects of whites not being allowed to organize and their eventual destruction is not true. I will show you why later, I have thought long and hard on this subject.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the matter, I have no doubt they will be illuminating even if we disagree on some points.

Post: #102

White males have it harder in the U.S. than any other group.

Post: #103

(08-08-2013 12:13 PM)j r Wrote:  That is quite a rant.  I find it interesting that in the real world wherever people with money, power and influence congregate, those people tend to be overwhelmingly white (or drawn from the top social caste of other societies).  And yet, on the internet, there is no shortage of white people(or black people or Latinos, etc.) complaining about their victimization.  

I propose that, if you have legitimate grievances, they're probably not about race at all.  Rather, race is the excuse that someone is using to sell you a bill of goods.  If you don't want to believe that, cool.  If you want to be a white nationalist, I could care less either way.  I'm just pointing it out.

What I do find perplexing is why you guys need to raise it here.  I understand a certain amount of race talk along with talk about religion and politics and economics, but I'm not sure what it is about the RVF that has people going full retard on this topic.  There's plenty of "how will black guys do in x location" posts.  And there's plenty of posts saying that Trayvon Martin wouldn't have been shot if he were a white teenager.  However, I've never seen a full-on black nationalist post on here.  I've never seen any black dude speak fondly of Farrakhan or even Al Sharpton.  Likewise, I've never seen any of the Hispanic dudes talking about the importance of La Raza or any of the Jewish dudes going on about zionism.  And the overwhelming majority of white dudes on this forum are more concerned with their own self-improvement than they are with predictions of the coming race war.  

Maybe I'm missing something, but what exactly fuels your need to keep going on about this stuff in this particular place?

This is the exact same line of logic that feminists use when they try to shame men talking about issues that affect men, e.g. "The majority of CEOs and congressmen are male, so men have nothing to complain about." Utterly fallacious reasoning.

Post: #104

(08-08-2013 02:37 PM)Eirykr Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 12:13 PM)j r Wrote:  That is quite a rant.  I find it interesting that in the real world wherever people with money, power and influence congregate, those people tend to be overwhelmingly white (or drawn from the top social caste of other societies).  And yet, on the internet, there is no shortage of white people(or black people or Latinos, etc.) complaining about their victimization.  

I propose that, if you have legitimate grievances, they're probably not about race at all.  Rather, race is the excuse that someone is using to sell you a bill of goods.  If you don't want to believe that, cool.  If you want to be a white nationalist, I could care less either way.  I'm just pointing it out.

What I do find perplexing is why you guys need to raise it here.  I understand a certain amount of race talk along with talk about religion and politics and economics, but I'm not sure what it is about the RVF that has people going full retard on this topic.  There's plenty of "how will black guys do in x location" posts.  And there's plenty of posts saying that Trayvon Martin wouldn't have been shot if he were a white teenager.  However, I've never seen a full-on black nationalist post on here.  I've never seen any black dude speak fondly of Farrakhan or even Al Sharpton.  Likewise, I've never seen any of the Hispanic dudes talking about the importance of La Raza or any of the Jewish dudes going on about zionism.  And the overwhelming majority of white dudes on this forum are more concerned with their own self-improvement than they are with predictions of the coming race war.  

Maybe I'm missing something, but what exactly fuels your need to keep going on about this stuff in this particular place?

This is the exact same line of logic that feminists use when they try to shame men talking about issues that effect men, e.g. "The majority of CEOs and congressmen are male, so men have nothing to complain about." Utterly fallacious reasoning.

Before you accuse anyone of fallacious reasoning, you should work on your reading comprehension skills. Try re-reading and maybe you will properly understand what I am saying.

Post: #105

(08-08-2013 02:43 PM)j r Wrote:  Before you accuse anyone of fallacious reasoning, you should work on your reading comprehension skills. Try re-reading and maybe you will properly understand what I am saying.

Or perhaps your English composition skills could use a brush up. Or you should elaborate on what you really mean. As it is written I fail to see what those two statements could imply other than: Because most privileged people are white, non-privileged whites shouldn't complain. If that isn't what you mean then state it clearly.

If you mean in the broader context of your post, people complain about issues of race when they pertain to race. Just as a man complains about matters that can be of concern specifically by being a man, e.g. custody of children.

Post: #106

(08-08-2013 02:32 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  White males have it harder in the U.S. than any other group.

Post: #107

@eirykr: Try reading the sentence directly after the one that you highlighted. As I said, you guys are more than welcome to blame all your troubles on being white, but you just sound stupid. Being white doesn't make you a victim. If you have legitimate grievances, it's not about race. People with other agendas are using race to justify their actions.

Post: #108

Spend a day in a white man's shoes and see how hard it is. We have to work 10x harder to get by. There's no special privelage or safety nets other groups have. Anything we do can construd as racism and are constantly being threatened with reparations. No way to sue, no points when applying for a federal job, no white scolarships. We are oppresed to the extreme.

Post: #109

(08-08-2013 03:16 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  Spend a day in a white man's shoes and see how hard it is. We have to work 10x harder to get by. There's no special privelage or safety nets other groups have. Anything we do can construd as racism and are constantly being threatened with reparations. No way to sue, no points when applying for a federal job, no white scolarships. We are oppresed to the extreme.

too late...

http://www.hulu.com/#!watch/10356

Post: #110

(08-08-2013 11:58 AM)Clyde Wrote:  I see nothing wrong with races preserving their own culture. I love going to Korea town for Korean BBQ, drinking beer in an Irish Pub on St. Patrick's day or even attending an Indian wedding.

These are relatively trivial things. That's part of the problem with the left's idea of "multiculturalism." They see ethnic restaurants, clothing styles, cultural festivals, and exotic dating options. Accents are cute and funny. At best, they might work with multicultural people and have a few ethnic friends. That is: members of ethnic communities who have already committed to crossing cultural barriers.

Some examples of potential sources of conflict:

Different languages, outright communication barriers.
Scale refusal to cooperate with police
Rejection of judicial system
Different attitudes towards core principles like free speech.
Different economic priorities
Different educational priorities
Different public service priorities
Different emotional tendencies
Different rules of etiquette (and not just dinner etiquette)

Post: #111

(08-08-2013 03:40 PM)GameTheory Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 03:16 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  Spend a day in a white man's shoes and see how hard it is. We have to work 10x harder to get by. There's no special privelage or safety nets other groups have. Anything we do can construd as racism and are constantly being threatened with reparations. No way to sue, no points when applying for a federal job, no white scolarships. We are oppresed to the extreme.

too late...

http://www.hulu.com/#!watch/10356

That looks like a parody making fun of how Black people think White people behave around each other.

That's a parody making fun of Black people.

It is hilarious.

Post: #112

(08-08-2013 04:48 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 03:40 PM)GameTheory Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 03:16 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  Spend a day in a white man's shoes and see how hard it is. We have to work 10x harder to get by. There's no special privelage or safety nets other groups have. Anything we do can construd as racism and are constantly being threatened with reparations. No way to sue, no points when applying for a federal job, no white scolarships. We are oppresed to the extreme.

too late...

http://www.hulu.com/#!watch/10356

That looks like a parody making fun of how Black people think White people behave around each other.

That's a parody making fun of Black people.

It is hilarious.

Mr. White says



So, what did I learn from all of this? Well, I learned that we still have a very long way to go in this country before all men are truly equal.

Post: #113

Very nice first post. Agree with all of the above.

Post: #114

(08-08-2013 11:53 AM)Blaster Wrote:  

scorpion Wrote:I believe that all races, black, white, Arab, Asian, etc...have the right to organize racially and preserve their existence.

For me it's the reverse. I think, at least in the United States, races should be discouraged from organizing and instead be encouraged to adopt and uphold the values and ideals of the country first and foremost. I do believe diversity is possible and even advantageous, but must be secondary to principles of Reason, Science, Law and Justice, Industry, Independence, Privacy, Free Speech, and Personal Integrity. Multiculturalism has limits and if you want diversity, tribalism can not be tolerated. That doesn't mean some degree of cultural diversity can not be welcomed and valued.

I concur.

I find tribalism and identity politics in general to be pretty distasteful.

If you think of racial unionizing (or the lack thereof) as a sort of iterated prisoner's dilemma--white Americans, and to a certain extent, Asian Americans--continue to hit cooperate while other "races" hit defect.

Post: #115

@scorpion
I know that Non Whites(half South Asian myself) organize politically, but if anything they vote against their own self interests, Black men vote for the same party that panders to feminists.
Heck, my uncle voted as an Indian American, and not as an individual, guess what happened?
He had to shut down his business because of the regulations, he did not take into account he was also a Non White BUSINESS OWNER.
You want Whites to make similar mistakes?
But, I will be a little bit more realistic than mainstream Republicans, some people can't be helped.
Which is why I support pan secession.
The # 1 reason being the desire to see the left put their money where the mouth is.
No leftists, no more race hustling, no more dysfunctional politics.

Post: #116

(08-08-2013 12:33 AM)NY Digital Wrote:  A good video demonstrating this. ^^





"Race is a social construct"

Man, I think I heard that in a thread not too long ago.

It's actually the exact opposite.

We are all different, even though we are human beings.

Actually no. "Race" per se has no real meaning in terms of game except as it relates to appearance and image.
"Race" as a social construct has meaning. I'm Italian-American, and, yeah, white. I am part of a social-ethnic group. It's a social construct--the concept of white people. It isn't about the pure genetics of it, it's about the history, the shared cultural values, and the cultural impressions and imagery associated with it. For instance: in terms of pure racial heritage, most of the middle east is basically the same. But compare a Pakistani and an Indian. Extremely similar in actual genetic concept of race, terribly different in practical, social concept of race. Compare the Chinese and Japanese, and it gets much more violent a difference despite that they have the same long-term lineage, even the same "race". So yes, race is a social construct, with a foot in genetics, a foot in nationalism, a hand in heritage, etc. And no, it is NOT right for us to interbreed into some PC coppertone brown. That's shitting on your people and paying disservice to those who built this world, of all ethnicities.

The modern concept of multiculturalism is wrong. Fucking flat out wrong. It is the eradication of EVERY one of these social constructs, heirarchies, and the denial of our heritage. It's an abomination, and is itself incredibly, incredibly racist. The proper way to NOT be racist, is to identify and accept the differences in these social constructs. To want everyone to eventually become the same is just genocide of our cultural, and our racial, identities. We should be different. It's what makes us unique.

As it is on that "cooperate vs defect" concept, there's a correlation between time in country generationally & average wealth distribution, versus social assimilation and multicultural values. Races in the country longer, and with more wealth on average, assimilate better and cooperate more. Personally, I don't think tribalism necessarily has to spill over into politics. We should stay "a bit different". And that's okay.

Edit:
for fucks sakes, can you guys go one thread without someone mentioning "lefties"? I know a lot of you are good but seriously, not all liberals are necessarily feminists or anti-man or pro-multiculturalism. Nor does it do a damn thing for the manosphere for us to be at each others throats over political affiliations, except drive us apart when we should be uniting.

Post: #117

(08-09-2013 01:06 AM)Quintus Flaminius Wrote:  @scorpion
I know that Non Whites(half South Asian myself) organize politically, but if anything they vote against their own self interests, Black men vote for the same party that panders to feminists.
Heck, my uncle voted as an Indian American, and not as an individual, guess what happened?
He had to shut down his business because of the regulations, he did not take into account he was also a Non White BUSINESS OWNER.
You want Whites to make similar mistakes?
But, I will be a little bit more realistic than mainstream Republicans, some people can't be helped.
Which is why I support pan secession.
The # 1 reason being the desire to see the left put their money where the mouth is.
No leftists, no more race hustling, no more dysfunctional politics.

The left-right thing is completely overblown. If you can't see, for instance, that Rush Limbaugh is as much a race hustler as Al Sharpton, then you are hopelessly caught in the blue team-red team matrix.

Post: #118

Yeah, the white victim thing ain't gonna' fly. Most of us are a product of our upbringing. If you were born into a white Christian racist household chances are you are a white "Christian" racist. If you were born into a Republican household you are probably a Republican. So it is not original nor compelling for one to simply regurgitate a philosophy that has been systematically brainwashed into one's head by overbearing parents. Couple this unoriginal thought with being under the age of 28, before one's frontal lobe is fully developed, and you get a severe case of white male foot in mouth disease.

Post: #119

(08-09-2013 04:26 AM)Anon-A-Moose Wrote:  Edit:
for fucks sakes, can you guys go one thread without someone mentioning "lefties"? I know a lot of you are good but seriously, not all liberals are necessarily feminists or anti-man or pro-multiculturalism. Nor does it do a damn thing for the manosphere for us to be at each others throats over political affiliations, except drive us apart when we should be uniting.

Calling leftoids liberals is an insult to liberals and calling them Democrats is often simply inaccurate.

The point of the term "lefties" is to distinguish liberals (a group united by a political philosophy) and "Democrats" (a group united by screwing Republicans) from the various unthinking swarms of activists and agitators dominating the left-of-center political discussion in the US and probably Europe and Canada.

Lefties are preoccupied with gay rights, abortion rights, gender politics and feminism, moral posturing, PC offense trolling, "hate speech" and outing bigots. They ooze smug pretentiousness and generally having a comically stunted understanding of economics (healthcare and education), or ignore economics altogether (immigration). Lefties love laughing at creationism and hate practicing Christians with an unholy passion.

Lefties think everyone deserves free healthcare and education and don't think beyond that. Government is just an infinite moneypit to fund it. Lefties think anyone who comes here to work deserves to be a citizen because that's the only moral thing to do. Lefties cannot hear any pro-family argument without connecting it to gay marriage and gay rights. Lefties care so much about outing bigots and sniffing out racism that, no matter the topic, if they are able to tease out any potential racism from subtext they will abandon discussion immediately commence public shaming.

Huffington Post. The Atlantic. Salon. Slate. People who take Colbert and The Daily Show a little too gospel. They are everywhere.

So yeah, I use the term sparingly. But when I do, this is why. It's because I agree with a lot of liberal positions, generally speaking. For example I support gay marriage more or less unequivocally. I hate racism and believe diversity is a good thing. I think creationism is ridiculous and don't believe in god. I think public healthcare insurance, education funding, and open borders are double-edged swords. And yet so many of the people who would seem to be on the same side as me are such complete fucking idiots I needed a term to separate them. Lefty seemed good enough.

Post: #120

The term left refers to radical social agenda aimed at changing society in ways contrary to traditional thinking. The term "left-wing" originates from the French Revolution, where the Jacobins sat in the left side of the French Congress chamber advocating their garbage.

Wikipedia has a pretty good description of the left:

Quote:The far left seeks equality of outcome and the dismantlement of all forms of social stratification.[1] Far leftists seek to abolish all forms of hierarchy, particularly the inequitable distribution of wealth and power.[1] The far left seeks a society in which everyone is provided equal economic and social opportunities, and no one has excessive wealth or power over others.[1]

The far left typically believes that inegalitarian systems must be overthrown through revolution in order to establish egalitarian societies, while the centre left works within the system to achieve egalitarianism.[1] In societies that tolerate dissent, far-left groups usually participate in the democratic process to advance their goals.[2] The far left demands radical changes to dismantle unequal societies, including confiscation of wealth that is concentrated in a small elite, and redistribution of that wealth in an egalitarian manner.[1]

Diversity is just one of many retarded leftist doctrines, because it follows the same idea that everyone is the equal (they are not) and that we must "undo" existing society in order to bring about this inequality.

Diversity is a left-wing doctrine.

Post: #121

Purple Urkle Wrote:Yeah, the white victim thing ain't gonna' fly. Most of us are a product of our upbringing.

This is almost a trivial point. The fact that we are a product of our upbringing is not the point - the point is whether or not our upbringing is any good.

Generally speaking, the left believe traditional American culture is bad and must be radically changed, whereas the right believe that traditions exist for a reason and only need slight adjustments and reforms.

Post: #122

Post: #123

(08-09-2013 04:16 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Purple Urkle Wrote:Yeah, the white victim thing ain't gonna' fly. Most of us are a product of our upbringing.

This is almost a trivial point. The fact that we are a product of our upbringing is not the point - the point is whether or not our upbringing is any good.

Generally speaking, the left believe traditional American culture is bad and must be radically changed, whereas the right believe that traditions exist for a reason and only need slight adjustments and reforms.

Where is this mythical Americana upbringing? No disrespect Samseau because you know I love your work, but I just have never seen it. I've seen what I thought were good solid white bread heterosexual "traditional" marriages blow up and produce unhappy gay children and I've seen a mixed race gay marriage go twenty years and counting that produces happy heterosexual offspring. I don't need a second hand theory to explain to me an unexplainable fact.

Someone previously mentioned the danger of getting lost in the blue pill vs. red pill matrix. I see liberals and conservitives as two sides of the same coin. Just more cut and paste regurgitated second hand philosophy and theories. I heard a Rush Limbaugh radio broadcast and he was spouting the same stupid shit... "the economy is tanking because of feminists, humanists, culturalists, artists and civil rights activists" and that they are not needed because racism doesn't exist and women dont get raped." Guess what? The broadcast was from 20 years ago. Time for a new line of attack. Things are the way they are regardless of why they are. The best trauma surgeon I know is a black woman. If I had hemorrhaging to my nut sack I would want her on it. Women of color fly planes and do all kinds of high level alpha things that I or any other white man couldn't do if our lives depended on it (how about a little respect?). It's time to get over it. We are here in 2013 because we are here. No need to explain it away any further with hate and fear. Ask a black woman if race and gender oppression are interconnected, real, or imagined? Ask some older black folk if things were better for black men and women in the 1950's?

I once read a book called The Way We Never Were: American Families and the Nostalgia Trap that takes an interesting look at "traditional" American culture. Yeah, thats right, it never existed. In the ancient human psyche the sky has always been falling. As long as the human mind is focused on unknown enemies (feminists, liberals, etc.) and conspiratorial forces (women seek to castrate men and the NAACP seeks to rob whites of power) it will be lost and confused in an endless sea of never ending "problems." Traditional American culture? It never existed... in fact the term sounds sexist and racist to me. Go down that rabbit hole if you want but I'd be careful in calling the impact of ones upbringing, culture, race, gender, epoch, family structure, geographical location and economic status at birth as "trivial."

Post: #124

@JayMillz and the CNN video:

Why don't conservatives say anything except when they want to "stick it to the black community?"

My guess is:

1. Not worth the risk of being labeled a racist.
2. Pro-family arguments are misread as homophobia and war on women and not described in racial terms. (That is: they have been saying this, consistently.)
3. The "conversation" was precipitated by the general blaming of all white people everywhere for everything bad that happened (real or imaginary) in relation to the shooting of Trayvon Martin. Bill the Blowhard shouldn't have HAD to say anything. It's the Democrats who collect those black votes (President Obama, for example) who had that responsibility.

Post: #125

(08-10-2013 06:54 AM)JayMillz Wrote:  

Great, more white men who have never been black or poor yet seem to be the experts on black poverty. Pure latent racism. And Don is a gay, light skinned, millionaire "black" celebrity... not the best spokesperson for the so-called "state" of the black American family. The color of green makes everyone act white. Pure beta Uncle Tom... where is Harry Belefonte and Malcolm and Garvey and Du Bois and Baldwin and Bird and Miles and J. Brown when you need em'? Lol... Don "Lemon," America's new black radical. Far out. I thought I'd seen it all.