Post: #1

When I watch movies these days, I analyze the male actors' body language to see if they are actually turning on the female actors.

If their body language seems fake or awkward, I lose trust in the director and his/her vision because they are presenting me with a false reality.

Good movies not only reflect reality, they can be more real than the lives most people live.

How do you watch movies?

Post: #2

Usually have a barf bag nearby.

Post: #3

Some male actors are especially bad at this. Matt Damon for example - watch the Bourne movies or really anything recent he's been in, he's stilted and awkward with women. You can see the stark contrast between Damon and guys like Clooney and Pitt in the Oceans movies.

Ryan Gosling has millions of groupies because girls find him attractive, but its also because he appears natural with the actresses he stars along with.

Post: #4

Good thread idea. Can work the same for TV too (My dad has noticed it in commercials for years, with all the helpless, goofy men).

I definitely notice over-compensation in some characters, for example, equating confident women with abrasive assertiveness.

Look at Zero Dark Thirty. The lead character basically insults and tries to emasculate the guys from Seal Tim Six before they do their raid on Bin Laden.

I'm thinking to myself "Bitch, you're supposed to wish them Godspeed or something, they could all end up dead"


In terms of "forced sexiness" or "awkward/unnatural looking seduction" Jennifer Aniston comes to mind. Even in that new trailer for her movie "We're the Millers" where she has a stripping scene, I don't buy it.

I'm also more aware of dialogue and how smooth the lines are coming from men trying to attract women in movies. Sometimes you'll be able to predict ones ahead of time, or you hear a good one and you think: "Oh yeah, I totally used something similar at the bar last week" or "Game recognized, I can learn from that."

Post: #5

Reasons why I don't like most movies anymore:

- I don't believe most romance plots, with the main guy being a beta or simply movie showing a love that could never exist in real world.

- I can't stand movies where the main guy is a super macho alpha but magically falls in love with a mediocre woman.

- I don't like movies with absurd kill counts any more. 99.99% of those kills are men and it shows how desentisized to the suffering of males as the expendable sex we have become. A woman's death is near always a tragedy, but no on gives a fuck about deaths of men. I hate how those movies define a mans worth only in how instrumental is he for disposing of other men (on behalf of some mediocre female)

- I hate how the villains are almost always alpha white guys with realistic red pill worldviews.

- I hate how white villains are shown to be woman beaters in most movies, for audience to give a reason to hate them, but heroes are pathetic white knights.

- I dislike knowing that in a horror movie the main female character will always survive no matter what. Reduces the tension. If the main character is a woman she will be close to a sole survivor. If the main character is a man he AND the main woman of the movie will survive.

- I dislike knowing that in a horror movie a black guy will never be the traitor (and not even a villain unless there is an even more sinister white villain). Reduces the tension.

- And I hate that there is a mandatory black guy in almost every movie even trough his character is always predictable and boring for the reasons stated above.

Post: #6

-I hate watching TV movies since there is clear hatred of men in like every film in that men get killed by the masses, making me as a man feel expendeble and disposable; pretty much action film, and if a female(s) dies, they make a big deal about it or they censor the death scene of the female.Even in Man of Steel they killed off both of Superman's father figures and left one of the two mother figure alive. They better bring back Russell Crowe's character.

-Then there is the disgusting emasculation of males by females; pretty much every romantic comedy.

-Movies try to make females look like they can go toe to toe with a male, or fit in with a male, a good example is catwoman from dark knight rises and Black Widow from The Avengers....we know in real life they are useless, but I'm guessing it is a beta/omega male fantasy since they want to submit to females and a feminist fantasy to feel like they can be equals or better than an alpha male.

Post: #7

(07-21-2013 11:51 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  Some male actors are especially bad at this. Matt Damon for example - watch the Bourne movies or really anything recent he's been in, he's stilted and awkward with women. You can see the stark contrast between Damon and guys like Clooney and Pitt in the Oceans movies.

Ryan Gosling has millions of groupies because girls find him attractive, but its also because he appears natural with the actresses he stars along with.

Good point because in real life Damon never capitalized on his fame to date the type of women A list celebritites date. As far as I can tell he still in a momogomous relationship (marriage) with a woman who was a single mother and bartender(read ideal cock carousel job) when they first got together.

Post: #8

Most screenwriters can't write a realistic attractive man or seduction. Usually when men and women come together on screen, its

1) he woos her with nauseating compliment and cuddle game ("you had me at hello"),

2) rescues her--saves her from muggers/a rapist/etc. (Back to the Future, etc., etc.),

3) she makes a move on him out of nowhere.

Guys who are actually making moves on women--the guys who would be getting laid in real life--are portrayed as sleazy Quagmire types.

Post: #9

My girl loves Michael Fassbender, especially in this small British movie where he seduces both mother and 16 year old daughter. This guy has lots of chemistry, not just with actresses in his movies but even with interviewers. Apparently, he's a player in real life and it shows.
In trying to think of actresses who exude passion and some sort of spark on screen. Monica Bellucci had it but is past her time.
I like Marion Cotillard. She is gorgeous, charming and a good actress to boot.
I will watch Sandra Bullock movies as well. Not sexy but the type of girl you can chill with.

Post: #10

I think Matt Damon knew exactly what he wanted and that was a stable family unit which he has managed to maintain, under the spotlight, for eons in Hollywood time. This guy did go out with actresses like Winona Ryder and Minnie Driver and found them unstable. Apparently he then vowed never to date someone in the spotlight and proceeded to do exactly that.

Post: #11

I like to study the male characters and see if the affect they have on the hot actress is actually genuine, or appears to be.

This sounds simple but 95% of movies cannot meet this rule. Most movies have the actresses becoming attracted to the lead male, but he is usually a beta/alpha that becomes sensitive and wimpy by the end of the movie.

Movies that I've seen recently where it appears to be genuine attraction due to a consistent alpha image:
-Vicky Cristina Barcelona
-Casino Royale (especially the woman that appears just early on in the movie)
-Thomas Crown Affair (with McQueen)

Check this scene out from Casino Royale:

Post: #12

(07-22-2013 08:46 AM)Ryre Wrote:  Most screenwriters can't write a realistic attractive man or seduction. Usually when men and women come together on screen, its

1) he woos her with nauseating compliment and cuddle game ("you had me at hello"),

2) rescues her--saves her from muggers/a rapist/etc. (Back to the Future, etc., etc.),

3) she makes a move on him out of nowhere.

Guys who are actually making moves on women--the guys who would be getting laid in real life--are portrayed as sleazy Quagmire types.

See that's thing. I don't feel comfortable shelling out money on a movie that doesn't recognize the truth of how the world works because I will then be supporting a false belief system that actually tries to make things more difficult for me.

If I'm watching a something and it's clear that the writer is pulling that shit, I'll walk out.

They can usually get away with having the main guys say more beta stuff because the main actors are in real life very famous, rich, and attractive.

Post: #13

Movies to me means a bang is near.

Unless I'm at the movie theatre then it means I'm with one of my boys.

Post: #14

It's changed my entire outlook on everything not just movies.

I was at a conference with a male colleague who I talk about red pill shit to. I told him to watch for the deprecating humour the males use in their presentations then compare it to the women's no bullshit approach.

He was amazed, then said he would have never noticed.

Post: #15

(07-22-2013 06:04 AM)Fredster Wrote:  -I hate watching TV movies since there is clear hatred of men in like every film in that men get killed by the masses, making me as a man feel expendeble and disposable; pretty much action film, and if a female(s) dies, they make a big deal about it or they censor the death scene of the female.Even in Man of Steel they killed off both of Superman's father figures and left one of the two mother figure alive. They better bring back Russell Crowe's character.

-Then there is the disgusting emasculation of males by females; pretty much every romantic comedy.

-Movies try to make females look like they can go toe to toe with a male, or fit in with a male, a good example is catwoman from dark knight rises and Black Widow from The Avengers....we know in real life they are useless, but I'm guessing it is a beta/omega male fantasy since they want to submit to females and a feminist fantasy to feel like they can be equals or better than an alpha male.

So, who should violence be directed toward in action movies? Men get killed in masses because that's the only gender that could believably hold their own against the typical alpha male protagonist. Sure, Rambo or McClane could go gunning down a bunch of women, but who's gonna believe that those women would be competent soldiers or terrorists in the first place? Movies just reflect the real life fact that men typically occupy more dangerous occupations than women.

Besides, most men are expendable and disposable because most men are beta males. The natural hierarchy has always been "alpha males > women > beta males". The trick is not being one of the disposable betas. Movies just appeal to the male fantasy of being the uber-alpha dominating over everyone. You aspire to be Rambo, not one of the random cannon-fodder mooks.

I suspect the action star female might also just be an attempt to streamline the thought-process of, "Hmm, I wanna see sexy women in tight, revealing leather outfits on-screen for most of the movie, but I also wanna see lots of action and violence and explosions. Can I have both?"

And in a lot of Superman continuities, they kill off Jonathan Kent as a necessary act of killing the father figure to complete Superman's transition from boy to man. The recent Man of Steel movie just continued with this tradition.

Post: #16

You have to think about what movies are for. Pandering to women to get them in the mood for sex.