Post: #201

(07-27-2013 12:09 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  Slubu, you might want to change up your strategy and start doing a bit of day-gaming, ala Крещатик style. Also, if you're going out 4x per week I assume two of those nights are "work-nights" for the locals so to me no surprise that the girls are flaking and leaving early from the clubs.

I actually tried one instance of day gaming earlier this week, didn't go anywhere. But as it stands now since we are likely leaving soon I don't have the time to capitalize off its slow pace. And as you will see in my next post, there is a reason I am addicted to nightgame...

(07-27-2013 12:14 PM)Lothario Wrote:  Haha, I have been saying that to Slubu for about a year now.

You really have, actually over a year now!

(07-27-2013 01:14 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  How much is it to get to Vladivostok from where you are? Many we can start a sort of RVF version of a kickstarter thing without the fees. I'd be interested in some more data on the Far East and happy to kick in some coins - not thousands lol.

$936, or more than it would cost me to fly home to LA. Crazy russians... Appreciate the suggestion, but really not worth it at this point.

Post: #202

Little tip with the LA thing...I have a business which I use a Beverly Hills mailbox for....I use that as as my address on my drivers license as well as business mailing address, business cards, etc. helps a lot with these impressionable lads. Foreign girls love LA guys.

Post: #203

Ah man I feel for you, that's the magic and pain of provincial Russia, just keep pushing. One thing you can do is getting a table and try the status game. You can keep it cheap by ordering champagne and vodca but not opeoning the champagne unless some super hoties show up and keep it for the next day.

Post: #204

Alright had to go get lunch. Warning, this will be a longer post.

Got a ONS last night, courtesy of what we like to call Jimmy V game (don't give up, don't ever give up!) or as basilransom calls it, pitbull game. It took some perseverance, but a bang was achieved.

So as I posted from my phone, we go to this club and it is stacked with girls, probably close to a 100 girls there, and maybe 30 guys. Some pretty good looking girls too, I think it was some ladies' night as they kept having huge Siberian men strip on stage (annoying).

We get there, and my buddy almost gets face controlled. I'm suited up for the first time in Siberia, and the bouncer thinks I'm Russian and asks me where my friend is from, as they don't want to let him in. Thankfully whatever he said I understood the part where he said (on atkuda?) as he stretched his arm out to stop him from walking in. I said "v los angelese" and then he conceded and let us in. We paid the 300 rubles each to go in.

Get a bottle of Russian Standard Platinum for $60 (0.7L) and walk onto the dance floor which has standing tables scattered throughout. Note - I was the only guy in the entire place in a suit, though one guy was in a blazer. But as I posted from my phone, we could not see ANY girls drinking or smoking cigarettes. I tried that as my opener with 2 girls (why is nobody drinking?) in both English and Russian via translator. Nothing. Tried the cigarette line with another girl, still blown out.

We eventually decide we have to go to the bar area because at least there a chance exists for some drinking girls. We go to the side bar by the dance floor, and at a table next to us there are 3 young girls drinking champagne. My buddy opens them with something on his translator and then waves me over. Put down our bottle, order some juice from the bar and the girls start drinking with us.

Here's a great tip: Tip the bartender 100 rubles two times in a row, and he's yours for the entire night. I did that with the bartender and whenever I walked up he would come to me first, and I didn't need anything besides just more ice for our drinks. I guess nobody tips in Russia at the bars.

There were 3 girls at this now shared table, and eventually the ugly one leaves and goes home. Good job devushka. Now earlier in the night, my buddy pointed out one girl in the entire club he wanted...and she was one of the girls at this table. Why? She looked very Brazilian. Great figure, perky breasts and perfect butt. Very little English, it was translator mostly with her. The other girl looked as Russian as it can get, bangs, white, tall, good body. She spoke decent English and would sometimes translate for the Brazilian too. Neither were supermodels by any stretch, but 100% bangable and that we would concentrate our efforts. Brazilian was the obvious cuter one, but again you wouldn't turn down sex with either. Now here's the thing - the Brazilian took to me for some reason despite my buddy opening her and talking to her first. So I focused on her, my friend on the Russian.

While we were with the girls, next to us was a table of tier 1 18 year old's I'd say, with one that just stole the show. She was dancing her little heart out, with an amazing body in a black dress, and kept rubbing her breasts the entire time. I wish I could explain it, but we were both just captivated. When our girls went to the bathroom, I told my buddy write this on your translator and show one of the girls: "We are here with these girls but we like you more. Give me your number, we will go out with you another time." He did it and it worked, got one of the girl's numbers from the group. Who knows if it will pan out, but it's something.

Drank our bottle of Russian Standard with the girls, and they insisted we go to an afterhours club. Having learned our lesson the night before, we said no. They kept asking us to go, we said no we hate that place, you can come to our place or just go yourselves. They decide they will go and we exchange numbers, me with the Brazilian and my friend with the Russian. They walk off.

We do a loop around the place to decide where we want to focus on, and we run into the Brazilian and Russian again. We go sit with them by the bar, and somehow we have now switched girls. We convince them to come back for a short time and then they can go home.

We get to our place and as we are walking in I ask my friend which one he wants, he says he doesn't care. I think we decided to let the girls choose. We go up, come in and open a bottle of champagne. We are listening to music, and now I'm with the Russian and buddy with the Brazilian. Little known fact is I have this ridiculous love of girls singing...I find it to be extremely sensual or something. I don't really know what it is. The Russian and I are now somehow slow dancing to this song, as she sings the ENTIRE thing to me:





After this lovely song and dance, Brazilian wants a cigarette, and my buddy starts to open the window and tell her to smoke in the kitchen. I strongly suggest he takes her on the balcony (so we can both isolate), he gets my point and they go to the balcony. I start making out with Russian, they come back and catch us and laugh. Brazilian is pretty hammered at this point, so my buddy tries to make her food to sober up.

After some continual debating, I finally convince the Russian to come to the balcony for two minutes. More making out and surprisingly she let me escalate a bit more, fingering her on the balcony for 10 seconds before she shoo'd my hand away. We go back and the Russian asks Brazilian if she wants to leave, and Brazilian says she just wants to sleep here. They say they want to sleep together, and that one of us take the couch. We try to get them to split up and they won't have it. Fine, whatever.

Here's where it gets interesting. They ask for clothes, we give them tshirts and they go to the bathroom together and are having a chat. My buddy and I get on our beds separately, they come out and still won't separate. We give up trying to convince them, my buddy goes to the couch, they take his bed, and I'm in my bed. We are still trying to salvage the affair, considering we have two drunk girls here walking around in underwear and tshirts. Remember that originally we were with each other's girls, so I only had the Brazilian's number. So I try something I've tried before:



No response, she is passed out. Then my buddy texts me that my girl is still awake, so naturally:



So then I text the Russian:



Wait a few minutes, nothing, so I follow up:



I'm not sure if "take me" means the same as in America, which means let's bang, or it was her translation of saying come to me for the kiss. I hardly doubt it's the former. Anyways, I go in there, she is lying on the bed awake above the covers, Brazilian is passed out. Start making out with her, finger her for 2-3 minutes in the squirter position (ever since I learned this, girls go nuts) until she is super horny, then get off her, grab her hand and said "come with me." No objection, straight to the room, straight to banging.

Now a combination of a few things: 1. Me being super horny, 2. It being 7am almost and me being tired and drunk, 3. Knowing I will never see this girl again, and 4. My dick still a bit raw from the threesome and that endless bang session...led to me giving this poor girl the WORST sexual performance of my life. One position, two minutes, nutted and said I'm done. I'm such an ass, but I really just didn't care. Sorry guys, on this one I did nothing to contribute to the sexual fantasies of the foreign man.

She goes back to the bed with her friend, presumably because maybe she didn't want her friend to know she came in my room, or that she didn't want to leave her friend alone. Funny thing is when she came into my room, my buddy went into his room to try with the Brazilian, but she wouldn't wake up.

Wake up in the morning, have some tea/coffee with the girls and they leave. Lesson learned: never give up guys - all my efforts paid off in the end, from refusing to go with them to the afterparty, to those texts, to coming to her to "take" her when she refused to come into my room.

Finally, looking back I realized every girl I've ended up banging on this trip (EE/FSU) I have met while wearing either a suit or blazer. Guess I know my attire from now on.

Post: #205

(07-26-2013 06:52 AM)slubu Wrote:  Badoo though tempting, has been such an utter waste of time on my EE trip. I would highly recommend against it because as you stated, all the girls that show up are 1-2 points lower than their pictures. These FSU girls are absolute experts at photography. Go watch the little girls in the parks, they are having their pictures taken and posing as soon as they can walk.

Amen to that brotha. I've been wasting countless hours on Badoo chasing girls here who seem to have no real intention to meet up unless it's after months of back and forth, and even then it's a low hit rate. So far have one girl that's worked out ok, but even she got weird and flakey after awhile so I dropped her. Been SIF'd a couple times too, and flaked numerous. I really think it's a bigger time suck that I realize too, so am just going to try to ration my use of internet dating otherwise I find myself getting into all these conversations at night or during work that lead to nowhwere.

FYI re Moscow or staying in Tomsk, well I vote Moscow but its probably almost 2x as expensive here which might be tough to take. I'm talking 250-300 Rubles for beers, bit more for drinks. I don't think you could get a $60 bottle of Russky Standard anywhere but the secondary crappier places here and even then it would be more. You can still go cheap in some places which will be like 150-200 Rubles for drinks though.

We were out Friday til 4:30 am here (late for me!) and it was pretty happening at most places - Buddah Bar then Posh Friends (only place that was not yet busy), Barbados, Craisy Daisy (where we didn't get in, it was packed, mostly Russian scene) and finally Barry's. Great night! But not as good as the one you seem to have had however...

One thing I'd argue in favor or Moscow is that recently the more I've been out lately the more English I've been able to use esp with the younger ladies below 25. I have to assume there's something like 35-50% of the girls here below say 30 who have passable English, which is probably 2x what you'd see in the provinces I guess? You still run into plenty that dont speak English however.

So I guess you'd have to weight the costliness of Moscow with the more widespread usage of English by women below the age of 30.....

Great tip re tipping the bartenders here to lock them down...u are right NOBODY tips bartenders here...

Post: #206

Great thread, Slubu. Really diggin your stories and adventure. Inspiring for sure.

Post: #207

Wish I saw this thread when I first moved to Moscow 2 years ago. Can't wait to get out of here.

Post: #208

(07-28-2013 05:14 AM)slubu Wrote:  Finally, looking back I realized every girl I've ended up banging on this trip (EE/FSU) I have met while wearing either a suit or blazer. Guess I know my attire from now on.

Doesn't shock me at all.

What shocks me is how it has taken the Internet to grasp something I have been talking about for 8 years.

Post: #209

(07-28-2013 10:35 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 05:14 AM)slubu Wrote:  Finally, looking back I realized every girl I've ended up banging on this trip (EE/FSU) I have met while wearing either a suit or blazer. Guess I know my attire from now on.

Doesn't shock me at all.

What shocks me is how it has taken the Internet to grasp something I have been talking about for 8 years.

I'm a huge advocate of suits/blazers. The problem is it is so fucking hot in some of these clubs that it is impossible to rock a suit, I mean literally impossible. Thankfully, last night was not one of them.

Post: #210

I was wondering the weather there. I know Ukraine is way to hot for jackets.
What colors work for you? I would think linin for the weather.
In fsu only people I ever see tip anyone is foreigners. Of course in some cities they have gotten greedy and expect it. Sad considering service is sub par.
Overall would you say Tomsk is more fun than novobirsk? Better less bangs if you actually feel like a human where you are.

Post: #211

(07-28-2013 11:08 AM)jimukr104 Wrote:  I was wondering the weather there. I know Ukraine is way to hot for jackets.
What colors work for you? I would think linin for the weather.
In fsu only people I ever see tip anyone is foreigners. Of course in some cities they have gotten greedy and expect it. Sad considering service is sub par.
Overall would you say Tomsk is more fun than novobirsk? Better less bangs if you actually feel like a human where you are.

Green/purple/grey work best for me.

Tomsk is better than Novo in almost every way. Cuter girls, more girls, more fun nightlife. There are not that many outdoor cafes though, if that's your thing. But daygame has to better here too, lots of young cute girls walking around and it's not even school season.

White god factor is higher in Novo. There are better drivers I guess (seriously Tomsk is like fast and the furious here). Girls flake a lot less. Bigger city (already ran into 3 different people randomly in Tomsk we knew).

We're staying another week in Tomsk. I'll report back more afterwards.

Post: #212

(07-28-2013 10:43 AM)slubu Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 10:35 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 05:14 AM)slubu Wrote:  Finally, looking back I realized every girl I've ended up banging on this trip (EE/FSU) I have met while wearing either a suit or blazer. Guess I know my attire from now on.

Doesn't shock me at all.

What shocks me is how it has taken the Internet to grasp something I have been talking about for 8 years.

I'm a huge advocate of suits/blazers. The problem is it is so fucking hot in some of these clubs that it is impossible to rock a suit, I mean literally impossible. Thankfully, last night was not one of them.

According to Prosal you would be laughed at and pegged as a sex tourist for wearing a suit.

Post: #213

Great reporting Slubu, I thing I learned from you last year was tenacity and not giving up, going all in etc etc You should do a detailed post
on Pit bull Game or Jimmy V Game

Post: #214

slubu,

You gotta explain this please

Quote:Start making out with her, finger her for 2-3 minutes in the squirter position (ever since I learned this, girls go nuts)

Thanks.

Post: #215

Slubu, can you comment a bit on the crowds in these clubs, like the one you hit last night that was 70% women (reminds me of Club Avalon in Kiev which was about 80% women and other than club management I was the only one rocking a suit!). Are all these women under 21 or are you seeing some in their mid/late 20s. Reason why I ask is because i'm one of these guys whose a slow starter and likes to converse with a set for a long period of time before I grab numbers and set-up dates. So if a girl is too young (18) I usually have to be very drunk to not get bored. Also, would you say the dude's in these provincial clubs tend to be much older than the girls, i.e., are you seeing the same stuff as in tier-1 UA clubs where a guy in his 40s whose not in best shape is still swooping an HB? Thx

Post: #216

Moscow has been quite cold recently. Like 60s and 70s. Not sure what August will be like.

Post: #217

(07-28-2013 11:39 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 10:43 AM)slubu Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 10:35 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 05:14 AM)slubu Wrote:  Finally, looking back I realized every girl I've ended up banging on this trip (EE/FSU) I have met while wearing either a suit or blazer. Guess I know my attire from now on.

Doesn't shock me at all.

What shocks me is how it has taken the Internet to grasp something I have been talking about for 8 years.

I'm a huge advocate of suits/blazers. The problem is it is so fucking hot in some of these clubs that it is impossible to rock a suit, I mean literally impossible. Thankfully, last night was not one of them.

According to Prosal you would be laughed at and pegged as a sex tourist for wearing a suit.

Yeah, but Prosal wears french sandals, berrets, grandpa cardigans and capri pants.

So what does he know?

Post: #218

Sounds like Pepe La pew! Dont be mad G that he won't kiss you on the cheeks like other guys.

Post: #219

(07-28-2013 09:15 AM)ao85 Wrote:  Wish I saw this thread when I first moved to Moscow 2 years ago. Can't wait to get out of here.

Wait what? Don't say that man, I'll be there in a week..

(07-28-2013 11:39 AM)Vicious Wrote:  According to Prosal you would be laughed at and pegged as a sex tourist for wearing a suit.

One thing we try to do, directly or indirectly is pick at a local girl's mind on various dating/relationship/sex topics at any chance we can get. We went out with two girls the first day we were here, and asked them about guys dressing like slobs here, and what they would think if they saw a guy in a suit.

Girl 1 basically said she thinks the guy is very proud and thinks highly of himself - aka cocky.

Girl 2 said she thinks the guy owns a business, is important, is a boss.

The girls we brought back Saturday night, right before we left with them asked us if we are trying to pay them for sex. We just laughed it out of the park and they started laughing too (frame control). However I think it is ingrained in their culture that sometimes people pay for sex, who knows. But I don't think it had anything to do with the suit, because I've dealt with this questioning sans suit as well.

(07-28-2013 11:52 AM)Lothario Wrote:  Great reporting Slubu, I thing I learned from you last year was tenacity and not giving up, going all in etc etc You should do a detailed post
on Pit bull Game or Jimmy V Game

Basilransom did a very good job here.

(07-28-2013 12:21 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  slubu,

You gotta explain this please

Quote:Start making out with her, finger her for 2-3 minutes in the squirter position (ever since I learned this, girls go nuts)

Thanks.

Smarter men have already done the writeup here. I still haven't made a girl squirt yet employing this method, but likely because I'm too impatient to let it play out and want to get to boning. Note this can only be done if she's laying on the bed on her back, not while she's standing (i.e. before you get her to the bed).

(07-28-2013 02:30 PM)Menace Wrote:  Moscow has been quite cold recently. Like 60s and 70s. Not sure what August will be like.

Sounds wonderful. Perfect suit/blazer weather.

Post: #220

(07-28-2013 02:27 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  Slubu, can you comment a bit on the crowds in these clubs, like the one you hit last night that was 70% women (reminds me of Club Avalon in Kiev which was about 80% women and other than club management I was the only one rocking a suit!). Are all these women under 21 or are you seeing some in their mid/late 20s. Reason why I ask is because i'm one of these guys whose a slow starter and likes to converse with a set for a long period of time before I grab numbers and set-up dates. So if a girl is too young (18) I usually have to be very drunk to not get bored. Also, would you say the dude's in these provincial clubs tend to be much older than the girls, i.e., are you seeing the same stuff as in tier-1 UA clubs where a guy in his 40s whose not in best shape is still swooping an HB? Thx

Depends on the club for the most part. The guys in Tomsk are not bad looking, relative to the mutants I saw in Novosibirsk. A fair amount of them are decent, there are an outrageous number of built guys here too, and the younger ones are aggressive with the girls.

As to the ages, that again spans. The one on Saturday had up to late 20s I'd say (we called it a milf bar, lol). The ones before had a much younger crowd.

Much less age gap here, though I have seen some instances sprinkled around. At least in Tomsk, it seems the age discrepancy is a lot less.

One thing you mention I want to address, because I've seen it in some of your posts before:

Quote:Reason why I ask is because i'm one of these guys whose a slow starter and likes to converse with a set for a long period of time before I grab numbers and set-up dates.

Why do you think like that? Why grabbing numbers and then setting up dates? Why not try to fuck them the first time you meet them out (assuming at night/club/bar)? I've posted this before, but every girl I talk to I try to fuck, if not fuck then bj, if not bj then hj, if not hj then fingering, if not fingering then tits, if not tits then makeout, if not makeout then number. Aim high and take the most you can get that night.

It will not work with the same frequency and efficacy as in America, but it still works out here. If you go in with a self-limiting belief that, for example, provincial Russian girls will never sleep with you on the same night you meet them then it will never happen. I've had ONS in Kiev, Odessa, Novosibirsk and now Tomsk and it's because I expect and try for sex the same night. Before I even have my hand on them when conversing, before I open them, before I even see them that is my goal. My bed is made, the dishes are done and the champagne is in the fridge before I leave my apartment because I expect to bring someone home.

Post: #221

^^^ you never can go wrong dressing up there, unless maybe if at a beach resort or something.Suits = power there. The FSU alpha male is a provider. That being said young chicks often are into there own fashions. The one place where dressing up was hurtful was in Odessa. Odessan chicks actually wanted me to wear SPORTY clothing. But Odessans are fucked up in the head with their own trends.
Once saw the Moscow circus in Odessa and the clown made a joke about" you always know when you are in Odessan by the clown like clothing they wear there" lol.
What would you wear if day gaming?

Post: #222

Just one thought: sounds like you are destroying it there, everyone of us that has been deep inside Russia can confirm that there's nothing easy about your achievements ( without Russian!!). Yet you sound frustrated in you posts, this is not the Phils, or Stutlandia ie Odessa, this is the cradle of female perfection. On the looks issue, do you feel like its significantly below Ukraine? Keep in mind both Kiev and Odessa are magnets for upwardly mobile girls and sluts (if u car to make a distinktion).

Post: #223

(07-28-2013 08:01 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  What would you wear if day gaming?

Take this with a grain of salt because I never daygame. But probably jeans, nice shoes, and a short sleeve button down (not office style, California style). Alternatively I did buy white shorts to sport that Euro look, but then I'd have to wear sandals.

(07-28-2013 08:55 PM)ChrisGambi Wrote:  Just one thought: sounds like you are destroying it there, everyone of us that has been deep inside Russia can confirm that there's nothing easy about your achievements ( without Russian!!). Yet you sound frustrated in you posts, this is not the Phils, or Stutlandia ie Odessa, this is the cradle of female perfection. On the looks issue, do you feel like its significantly below Ukraine? Keep in mind both Kiev and Odessa are magnets for upwardly mobile girls and sluts (if u car to make a distinktion).

Wouldn't say destroying it, but I've had success. Still haven't broken through the 8 barrier, which is my next goal. But that takes discipline, given the ease of being able to take down 7s.

By the way I do have some Russian abilities, not sure why everyone keeps missing that. But they are basic, and translator is often needed.

So far looks wise still a step below Kiev/Odessa. However, if you like more curves (butts/tits) here would be better. There are some juicy asses here.

Post: #224

Slubu, did you say you wear green and purple sport coats? Got any photos of something similar? Too hot to layer any type of clothing in Bangkok, but I really dig the navy, unstructured sport coat look. Takes away a lot of options if layering isn't really possible.

Post: #225

(07-29-2013 12:12 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  Slubu, did you say you wear green and purple sport coats? Got any photos of something similar? Too hot to layer any type of clothing in Bangkok, but I really dig the navy, unstructured sport coat look. Takes away a lot of options if layering isn't really possible.

I may have minced my words, those are some of the colors I wear. The blazers/coats/suits are all grey/charcoal/black. And I forgot white. Most of my success comes from white or purple vneck, blazer and jeans, or if suit, purple or white dress shirt underneath.

Layering is absolute torture here too. When I get back to LA I'm going to purge my wardrobe and build upon the white/purple colors. I actually don't wear green that much though I should.