No more news from Tomsk girl?

(08-26-2013 08:05 PM)Qwest Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 07:16 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 05:03 PM)DVY Wrote:  Moscow is for blonde/brunette slavic archetype women. I don't think its that "easy" especially for ONS, but long-term(2-3 weeks) getting at least 1 girl should be a layup for almost anybody.

For somebody w/game+language+funds, you'll have more than you can handle. But thats the case virtually anywhere in the world...

DVY, how many places have you been to? Perhaps, I should take you out to Washington, DC clubs or Toronto and you would definitely retract your statement. There are places in USA where it is not enough to use game+language+funds, really you need game+language+funds+LUCK+social circle to score with 7+ girls due to massive bitch shields and insane competition.

I agree with DVY for the most part with the game+language+funds, but the X factor is also looks. If you look like Sloth in Goonies you can have those three and you probably wont get very far. DVY, we have met and I would say we both have above average looks and height which I wont discount makes things easier in any corner of the world.

Looks is one of the things on the forum that I think is not factored in enough when considering others' success as most people aren't interested in rating themselves. If I don't know what you look like, its tough for me to tell you how will do. I could kill it in a place, and you could strike out, and vice versa.

We all talk about being suited up, etc, which is trying to put our best foot forward in the looks department, but the hand we were dealt with our natural looks also plays a large part and in some cases we blame it on the purple sweater, game wasn't right, etc, when it might very well be that simply she wasn't attracted to you.

(08-26-2013 07:16 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  Perhaps, I should take you out to Washington, DC clubs or Toronto and you would definitely retract your statement. There are places in USA where it is not enough to use game+language+funds, really you need game+language+funds+LUCK+social circle to score with 7+ girls due to massive bitch shields and insane competition.

Without seeing DVY or anyone else, I don't think you can make the statement above. I haven't hit DC, but I have done what I thought was VERY well in Toronto which I outlined here:

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-6277-page-11.html

DVY could also do his thing in Toronto I'm sure without luck and social circle. Can't say for sure on DC, but I cant imagine it being as difficult as claimed...

I think this is true, looks is rarely talked about.

The other X factor in the game+language+funds equation is how hard one works.

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I have never been to FSU besides Latvia, but a lot of you guys are conflating "pretty boy" with "good looking".

Don't FSU girls like masculine good looking guys?

Or do they really only like "ugly guys"?

Latvia I don't think is FSU, it's considered x Warsaw pact. There is a big difference. The Russians there are treated like second class citizens.
Ofcourse they have their version of looks but it is a bit different G. But being average doesn't hurt a guy there, just don't be Sloth I guess or the golem from the Hobbit lol.
Interestingly even 10's in NYC date down. And my friend who is very good looker and has Internet fans actually always dates down. The women = to him aren't available.
I think the biggest status there is not just money but showing off what you buy. I guy can be poorer but if he drives a bently ,he will attract better than the guy in the BMW. They spend all the money they make buying shit that others can see and pretend to be wealthier than they are. Sounds like south Florida culture a bit?
I am convinced car game is a very passive game that guys can use. I remember girls use to jump o the back of my motorbike in Kiev. Once 2 at the same time.
In Odessa if I remember guys with nice cars basically park on the sidewalk right next to the cafe table they are drinking at. Maybe the police stopped this,dunno. But girls were always jumping in cars.
In fact bikers use to take thier bikes right up to the entrance of Ibiza and chat up gals.

(08-27-2013 11:11 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  I think this is true, looks is rarely talked about.

The other X factor in the game+language+funds equation is how hard one works.

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I have never been to FSU besides Latvia, but a lot of you guys are conflating "pretty boy" with "good looking".

Don't FSU girls like masculine good looking guys?

Or do they really only like "ugly guys"?

Looks is very subjective topic. Look at all the 2/10 would not bang stuff on the forum.

I would say from my experience, in Ukraine, looks isn't as important as in the US. It isn't a matter of ugly versus good looking so much as other qualities being more prominent.

Yes worldwide and ugly Americans can't compete with the image ^^^odessan girls see in the mirror. They look at themselves anymore and one might think they want to fuck themselves. Funny they so humble when living in Kiev. I don't think they age so well compared to some other regions. A lifetime of saying 'I don't smoke and drink' only can go so far!
Bad skin underneath the ton of make up isn't uncommon. It's like the scene in Goodfellows with the mafia wives.

I don't think we need more looks threads. Game denialist trolls will come out the woodwork. It would also discourage the younger guys just starting out. My 2 cents.

^^^It take me a little while to get used to the scene, but there is a certain "vibe" you need to project to get laid in every city/venue. As you travel more, you adapt faster.

SF has a more laidback vibe, Hollywood has that aggresive, fast-pace quick punches vibe. Being a social chameleon is very important. I've swooped from the ghetto clubs, high-ends, grimy dance clubs, neighborhood bars.

I will admit that I do have a leg up- funds, height (6ft 2"), decent looks, style, some intelligence, and traveling experience starting from a very early age (unaccompanied minor every year).

To think I can't swoop in an large English-speaking city is pretty laughable. I've hit the pavement long enough that the only important limiting factor is time. I think its harder and longer to find a good apartment, than it is to find a chick to swoop.

(08-27-2013 11:11 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 08:05 PM)Qwest Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 07:16 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 05:03 PM)DVY Wrote:  Moscow is for blonde/brunette slavic archetype women. I don't think its that "easy" especially for ONS, but long-term(2-3 weeks) getting at least 1 girl should be a layup for almost anybody.

For somebody w/game+language+funds, you'll have more than you can handle. But thats the case virtually anywhere in the world...

DVY, how many places have you been to? Perhaps, I should take you out to Washington, DC clubs or Toronto and you would definitely retract your statement. There are places in USA where it is not enough to use game+language+funds, really you need game+language+funds+LUCK+social circle to score with 7+ girls due to massive bitch shields and insane competition.

I agree with DVY for the most part with the game+language+funds, but the X factor is also looks. If you look like Sloth in Goonies you can have those three and you probably wont get very far. DVY, we have met and I would say we both have above average looks and height which I wont discount makes things easier in any corner of the world.

Looks is one of the things on the forum that I think is not factored in enough when considering others' success as most people aren't interested in rating themselves. If I don't know what you look like, its tough for me to tell you how will do. I could kill it in a place, and you could strike out, and vice versa.

We all talk about being suited up, etc, which is trying to put our best foot forward in the looks department, but the hand we were dealt with our natural looks also plays a large part and in some cases we blame it on the purple sweater, game wasn't right, etc, when it might very well be that simply she wasn't attracted to you.

(08-26-2013 07:16 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  Perhaps, I should take you out to Washington, DC clubs or Toronto and you would definitely retract your statement. There are places in USA where it is not enough to use game+language+funds, really you need game+language+funds+LUCK+social circle to score with 7+ girls due to massive bitch shields and insane competition.

Without seeing DVY or anyone else, I don't think you can make the statement above. I haven't hit DC, but I have done what I thought was VERY well in Toronto which I outlined here:

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-6277-page-11.html

DVY could also do his thing in Toronto I'm sure without luck and social circle. Can't say for sure on DC, but I cant imagine it being as difficult as claimed...

I think this is true, looks is rarely talked about.

The other X factor in the game+language+funds equation is how hard one works.

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I have never been to FSU besides Latvia, but a lot of you guys are conflating "pretty boy" with "good looking".

Don't FSU girls like masculine good looking guys?

Or do they really only like "ugly guys"?

My experience in Moscow is that the most upscale, educated and intelligent (mega hot goes without saying) women in Moscow want a man who can protect and provide for them and any future kids. If you look like a burly bear (mea culpa) and other packs of wolves, lions and tigers tend to fear you and give you a wide berth this can work to your advantage. There are a lot of this type in Russia as well.

I found that US Standard Corp Exec suited up look during the days and at dinner and or Black cashmere sport coat or leather jacket with open collar shirt black slacks and shoes (NO Dockers ever) after dinner at bars clubs both worked well - the oligarchs I was with were young and loved karaoke as well and only drank juice, coffee or tea - they liked Nescafe instant as well. The one request a Russian multimillionare asked me to bring over was Dunkin Donuts coffee normal roast both ground and beans - local New England DD's give a deal 3 one pound bags for $19 - so I brought 3 one pound bags and a bag of Paul Newman's organic that I like a lot at McCafes. Was a bigger hit than starbucks.

Russians tend to adopt a lot of American habits (drinking coffee) though they will not admit it (The Oligarch Mikhail Prokorov bought the Brooklyn Nets and owns the Metro NYC Russian Expat SNOB magazine) and quite a few other Oligarchs have set up a not so discreet Plan B in NYC and or Miami so they secretly admire the USA - the young Oligarchs all wanted to see Hollywood of course VIP style and most in Moscow can at least understand English if not speak it as a major international language of biz.

The Oligarchs I met make most of their massive wealth in the FSU and outside of Hollywood had no other real interest in doing any business in the USA - just a safe place to hide a few rubles from Mr. Putin Chairman of Russia Inc. who has indicated he wants to start repatriating Russian Wealth for the benefit of Russia as the oligarchs all break out into a cold sweat - as an aside met a senior NYC banking Exec in Boston recently who shared that he had moved much of the Russian offshore Cyprus wealth out to Abu Dahbi under very favorable terms so Abu Dahbi may become the new upscale Dubai for the wealthy Moscow elites.

Go Figure

Generally slavic women are used to a very low level of male looks that is why they do not bother so much.You see gorgeous women with very mediocre looking brothers.

(08-27-2013 12:29 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 11:11 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 08:05 PM)Qwest Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 07:16 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 05:03 PM)DVY Wrote:  Moscow is for blonde/brunette slavic archetype women. I don't think its that "easy" especially for ONS, but long-term(2-3 weeks) getting at least 1 girl should be a layup for almost anybody.

For somebody w/game+language+funds, you'll have more than you can handle. But thats the case virtually anywhere in the world...

DVY, how many places have you been to? Perhaps, I should take you out to Washington, DC clubs or Toronto and you would definitely retract your statement. There are places in USA where it is not enough to use game+language+funds, really you need game+language+funds+LUCK+social circle to score with 7+ girls due to massive bitch shields and insane competition.

I agree with DVY for the most part with the game+language+funds, but the X factor is also looks. If you look like Sloth in Goonies you can have those three and you probably wont get very far. DVY, we have met and I would say we both have above average looks and height which I wont discount makes things easier in any corner of the world.

Looks is one of the things on the forum that I think is not factored in enough when considering others' success as most people aren't interested in rating themselves. If I don't know what you look like, its tough for me to tell you how will do. I could kill it in a place, and you could strike out, and vice versa.

We all talk about being suited up, etc, which is trying to put our best foot forward in the looks department, but the hand we were dealt with our natural looks also plays a large part and in some cases we blame it on the purple sweater, game wasn't right, etc, when it might very well be that simply she wasn't attracted to you.

(08-26-2013 07:16 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  Perhaps, I should take you out to Washington, DC clubs or Toronto and you would definitely retract your statement. There are places in USA where it is not enough to use game+language+funds, really you need game+language+funds+LUCK+social circle to score with 7+ girls due to massive bitch shields and insane competition.

Without seeing DVY or anyone else, I don't think you can make the statement above. I haven't hit DC, but I have done what I thought was VERY well in Toronto which I outlined here:

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-6277-page-11.html

DVY could also do his thing in Toronto I'm sure without luck and social circle. Can't say for sure on DC, but I cant imagine it being as difficult as claimed...

I think this is true, looks is rarely talked about.

The other X factor in the game+language+funds equation is how hard one works.

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I have never been to FSU besides Latvia, but a lot of you guys are conflating "pretty boy" with "good looking".

Don't FSU girls like masculine good looking guys?

Or do they really only like "ugly guys"?

My experience in Moscow is that the most upscale, educated and intelligent (mega hot goes without saying) women in Moscow want a man who can protect and provide for them and any future kids. If you look like a burly bear (mea culpa) and other packs of wolves, lions and tigers tend to fear you and give you a wide berth this can work to your advantage. There are a lot of this type in Russia as well.

I found that US Standard Corp Exec suited up look during the days and at dinner and or Black cashmere sport coat or leather jacket with open collar shirt black slacks and shoes (NO Dockers ever) after dinner at bars clubs both worked well - the oligarchs I was with were young and loved karaoke as well and only drank juice, coffee or tea - they liked Nescafe instant as well. The one request a Russian multimillionare asked me to bring over was Dunkin Donuts coffee normal roast both ground and beans - local New England DD's give a deal 3 one pound bags for $19 - so I brought 3 one pound bags and a bag of Paul Newman's organic that I like a lot at McCafes. Was a bigger hit than starbucks.

Russians tend to adopt a lot of American habits (drinking coffee) though they will not admit it (The Oligarch Mikhail Prokorov bought the Brooklyn Nets and owns the Metro NYC Russian Expat SNOB magazine) and quite a few other Oligarchs have set up a not so discreet Plan B in NYC and or Miami so they secretly admire the USA - the young Oligarchs all wanted to see Hollywood of course VIP style and most in Moscow can at least understand English if not speak it as a major international language of biz.

The Oligarchs I met make most of their massive wealth in the FSU and outside of Hollywood had no other real interest in doing any business in the USA - just a safe place to hide a few rubles from Mr. Putin Chairman of Russia Inc. who has indicated he wants to start repatriating Russian Wealth for the benefit of Russia as the oligarchs all break out into a cold sweat - as an aside met a senior NYC banking Exec in Boston recently who shared that he had moved much of the Russian offshore Cyprus wealth out to Abu Dahbi under very favorable terms so Abu Dahbi may become the new upscale Dubai for the wealthy Moscow elites.

Go Figure

Lets NOT forget some of the so called rich Russians are Jewish guys who immigrated to USA and Israel during the 1970's and the later wave in 1980's. They had the skills and sense to take advantage of the break up of FSU. I know in Odessa the NYC Jews have a big business presence behind the legal and illegal shit.

(08-27-2013 12:36 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  Generally slavic women are used to a very low level of male looks that is why they do not bother so much.You see gorgeous women with very mediocre looking brothers.

I don't agree with lots of the stuff you say but I think you are dead on with this. I had this exact conversation with this chick who was an absolute stunner and I wrote about here:

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-24884-...#pid474600

I forgot about this conversation actually until you brought this point up.

I have been curious why these smoking hot chicks have some boyfriends who look like a garden gnomes (yes, I know some are rich, but not all), so I asked her about it and we discussed it at length.

She told me "Have you seen how Russian and Ukrainian men look?" "We don't have a choice because they are so ugly. This is why we like to travel to other places. My best friend just moved to Germany (or Poland, not sure) because the men are so much better looking and she loves it there..."

We discussed for 15-20 minutes about this.

Remembering this conversation now I'm putting this matter to rest on my end at least.

These chicks don't want bad looking, they don't have a choice, mother nature was cruel to the males in the FSU.

They are also opportunists and I think they are more rational than their woman counterparts in other places, hence looks carrying less value than in the USA, but STILL a factor.

Out of curiosity, if all the guys are ugly as hell how do they spawn such a high percentage of hotboxes?

Or, is it simply a matter of the girls taking better care of themselves and putting in the effort to look good?

So anyway...+1. Girl I almost fingered on the street last night.

First I was trying to meet up with the blonde I banged from the club, but she couldn't get off work this time. Turned out better for me, since I had to work late. So I texted the girl from last night and said if she wants to come by, this time we can have a drink at my place "and then go out." She said maybe, but then showed up at 11:00 p.m. I've never seen a girl pound wine so fast.

She drank about half a bottle then basically just jumped me. She is divorced and I found out has a kid and lives with her kid and her mom in an apartment. My guess is she never gets out or gets to let loose. She was so damn happy, I felt like I was providing some sort of charity work. She was having the time of her life, drinking, smoking cigs, dancing around in a towel. And people say we don't make women happy...

(08-27-2013 05:08 PM)slubu Wrote:  So anyway...+1. Girl I almost fingered on the street last night.

First I was trying to meet up with the blonde I banged from the club, but she couldn't get off work this time. Turned out better for me, since I had to work late. So I texted the girl from last night and said if she wants to come by, this time we can have a drink at my place "and then go out." She said maybe, but then showed up at 11:00 p.m. I've never seen a girl pound wine so fast.

She drank about half a bottle then basically just jumped me. She is divorced and I found out has a kid and lives with her kid and her mom in an apartment. My guess is she never gets out or gets to let loose. She was so damn happy, I felt like I was providing some sort of charity work. She was having the time of her life, drinking, smoking cigs, dancing around in a towel. And people say we don't make women happy...

Slubu, you had me spoiled with all those stories of threesomes with nubile girls in Novosibirsk and hot princesses in Tomsk! Please don't tell us you banged a divorced chick with a kid...was she at least under 30?

This looks debate is really pointless.

Most women will want a man from their own culture. Even if they are uglier. They just understand them better.

Start adding on other things like humor, money, power and the attraction will change.

Arguing an all things equal is... well, a pie in the sky argument.

When are all things equal when it comes to people? Two guys with the same personality, making the same money, same fashion sense... yeah, not going to happen and shouldn't even be entertained, in my opinion.

That is the good thing, you can overcome nature to an extent by making yourself attractive in other ways. I certainly wouldn't be asking women what they thought. All that leads to is misinformation.

I would say I am a little above average. I wouldn't say I am handsome but more towards the "cute" spectrum. I do become handsome after some time but that is my personality and humor taking over. My looks certainly didn't change.

BCZalgyris: how many threads are you going to hate on in the same time, man? This one, Naughty Nomad thread, ukraine thread. Green eyed monster... kill that shit.

^^^Lmfao.

@Roosh maybe the forum could be set-up with a system so that if you haven't posted a success story, then you cannot question/hate another members success story? Generally, it seems the only people who hate/question members success stories are those who are not even getting laid.

@Slubu congrats brother. Vegas this weekend should add some more notches for you for sure as well.

Vegas is in fucking trouble.

"And today in the news, a man who goes by slubu was caught in a 10 girl rocco style orgy that spilled onto the sidewalks of Vegas..."

She was 25. Sweet girl. Menace met her. Could care less if she is divorced, has a kid, believes in aliens, has killed 3 people or whatever else one would consider a "red flag." I'm not here to wife up any of these girls. So long as they are attractive enough for me, I'm good to go.

She came over at 11pm on a Tuesday, cost me no money, banged me, danced around in a towel and let me take video, called a taxi and left. I will take that 10/10 times, independent of marital and parental status.

Slubu - I just want to say I have really enjoyed this thread, to be honest this has been one of the best threads as of late.

How old are you? The reason I ask is that you have alot of energy to be able to party like that or is it the adrenaline of being in a exciting foreign place that is keeping you going.

(08-27-2013 11:02 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Slubu - I just want to say I have really enjoyed this thread, to be honest this has been one of the best threads as of late.

I agree. Don't come back slubu, we will go through withdrawals...

+1 this has been a monster thread / reality show

Very keen to hear your general thoughts re beauty and difficulty thread on the holy trifecta, kiev, moscow, province before the combo of wynn xcess and rehab erases them from your brain

(08-27-2013 11:06 AM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  No more news from Tomsk girl?

Nope, went quiet after he told her he "cancelled" the return ticket. She had this all planned out, she was way too calm at the end for someone who was just asked to leave the apartment.

@rudebwoy, I'm early 30s. I think it's being abroad that drives me. As much as I love it out here I'm looking forward to resting finally. I'm seriously struggling.

@chris & samsam...thanks gents. I try. The funny thing is I toyed with the idea of even making a thread while I'm out here, but I'm glad I did. Besides giving you guys an insight as to what it's like out here, it memorializes my trip better than if I just wanted to keep a journal myself.

(08-27-2013 10:54 PM)slubu Wrote:  She was 25. Sweet girl. Menace met her. Could care less if she is divorced, has a kid, believes in aliens, has killed 3 people or whatever else one would consider a "red flag." I'm not here to wife up any of these girls. So long as they are attractive enough for me, I'm good to go.

She came over at 11pm on a Tuesday, cost me no money, banged me, danced around in a towel and let me take video, called a taxi and left. I will take that 10/10 times, independent of marital and parental status.

For the record, the photo & video u sent me of her in the towel looking out your window is just awesome...she's got very sexy legs and sure loves to dance...looks like she's loving the view too!

This thread is just pure gold. FYI, while Slubu was banging away I was out with his buddy for my last night here before they go back home via Vegas on Thursday (I am headed to Greece today). So thought I'd do a little side report on our night out. Sorry for the hijack but here I go!

We left early to give 1920s Bar one more try and to make sure we didn't get rejected, and finally we got in. Started off pretty good, very crowded, younger scene, place is fairly small and has a bar atmosphere to it, very loud though. It's also incredibly cheap - I'm talking Ruble 100-150 type drinks. Even Slubu's buddy was commenting on it, saying it's the cheapest place he's been in Russia including Tomsk. So go figure.

As the night went I'd say it was not bad for a Tuesday night, but unfortunately it didn't pick up later on past midnight. There were several 7+ type girls there early, and as we were all sitting at tables or at the bar it was mostly conducive to 'bumming a smoke' game. Lot of girls dancing actually. A very hot 'top tier' blonde was sitting at the table behind us, but unfortunately when we were finally done with our dinners and about ready to go over and approach, she and her friend decided to leave. In retrospect we waited a bit too long (obv.). A bit later on, a couple others sat down across from us at another table, and Slubu's buddy pointed out they were doing shots (he did a couple B-52s FYI ) but for some reason they left after about an hour - another missed opportunity. Then I went over to bum a smoke from this pretty sexy petite 7 who I'd seen dancing and seemed to be alone, had a little chat but she didn't seem interested, I asked what she was doing and she pointed me to her wedding ring so that was that But in any case, Slubu's buddy and I had were having a great time chatting and talking about game and life while having dinner. The food was ok too, actually not bad.

Anyway, so as not to bore you guys, the best part of the night was at the end when this pretty great looking Tier-1 type girl and her friend sat next to us. I took a good look at her and I just notice she looks very familiar for some reason, then I figure it out - she is literally a spitting image of Ferris Buehler's girlfriend in "Ferris Buehler's Day Off", no joke (Slubu's buddy agreed too), looked exactly like this:



So eventually I go over and bum a smoke, she's really open to chatting but speaks little English, so I'm working her with my intermediate Russian, then Slubu's buddy comes over and shows her the picture of Ferris' GF and she loves it, wants to know more, etc. She's giving off a really fun, friendly vibe. Eventually her friend's boyfriend comes over with a friend (who's for her we assume). She doesn't seem into this guy, is just having fun, and she bounces outside for a smoke break. At this point I'm a little drunk and don't realize the opening I've got, but like the good wingman he is Slubu's buddy says "man, this is your chance! You gotta get out there NOW, go isolate! You won't get another shot." So I'm like 'yeah, you're right, how can I miss this" and bolt outside. I go up to her, bum another smoke (which is like my 4th of the night already, I really don't smoke) and have a nice chat with her for say 20 minutes. She's just sexy as hell, 21 and studying in Moscow, just got back into town for school apparently. Unf. she eventually has to go back inside and hang with her friends, but I number close and give her a couple kisses on the cheek, tell her I'm going to Greece and will try to hook up with her next week. She even asks me to send her some shots from the beach, feels like a good lead we'll see.

Anyway, great night even though not much really happened, once again I get some very timely and sage advice from Slubu's buddy.

Gotta say it's been really great having you guys around, had a lot of fun, still can't believe how much you guys go out and the nightly chaos that ensues I learned a lot from you and your buddy, am going to be really interested in reading the final report and comparison to Kiev and the provinces. I'm sure it's going to take you awhile to decompress and put all these thoughts together since it's been such an incredible trip/experience. I will report back in from Greece on the other threads but safe travels - can't belive you guys are finally going home!