Actually the better looking guy will not get the chick All things being equal if the women wants to be the one seen as being beautiful. Again your making an assumption based on different value system.
Also how do you define what they consider better or goodlookijg?
You do realize when you minus the global alpha featurescthat looks are subjective when it comes to guys?
My father was in the promotion business long enough to know that. Hollywood decides what girls will like. So how does it apply to chicks that aren't raised in Hollywood media?
I can tell you that fsu chicks don't find brad Pitt attractive generally or Tom cruise. They consider those guys pretty boys....pretty doesn't cut it. Now I can't talk for the real young ones who are being exposed to thier own media alongside French media, American media and even Bollywood.
How old are you anyway? That you didn't know looks are subjective when dealing with other cultures. Even in American society women only tend to agree with each other about the top % of men Andretti can't even agree about the rest. For example one girl will like me, one will like prosal, and another one will like you(maybe). Now if your in the top % that's different.
As for FSU chicks yeah 60% voted to marry putin, so go figure. But for the over 30 crowd they tend prefer dark guys who look Italian, Armenian,Georgian. Most of their pop stars sex symbols fit that type. But I noticed the under 25 crowd seems to have a thing for thugish saved head guys who look almost criminal.

Ps. I am not talking about American chicks. Psychological studies have proven most of what I said that environmental factors contribute to what women are attracted to and that they rarely agree except for the top that coincidently look like movie stars.
Funny my friend who women call KEn doll always attract the most women in American Irish pubs. Interesting how women tend to have to compare him to a idol or star to justify thier attraction. But when men attract to women we don't have to compare them. (my friend never attracted NYC fsu chicks btw) if you don't believe me , ask Prosal. He will probably confirm that French chicks have thier own preferences as well.
I am considered very good-looking by fsu chicks and I have gotten rejected for being too beautiful( thier own words not mine). They will take the plainer guy who will not attract other women before a playboy.

As Jim said, FSU women aren't attracted by pretty boys as they are seen as unreliable partners. Pretty boys might dumb them for another broad. They prefer someone who will give them stability, even if it's some ugly mofo who looks like a million bucks, they know that at least UM is less prone to dumping them.

How that works, idk....that's just the FSU how the FSU works. Some stuff can't be explain, even with mastercard.

Well yes but remember a fsu chick might take a pretty boy because in thiervworldca pretty boy is un manly and probably thier version of ugly. They believe a man should look like a man not a gayish child. I notice they will always pick the bigger nose, chin, jar and brow(alpha features) over the girly guy. Think marlboro man over GQ.There was a time hollywood also sold women a manly guy but then went the girly route beginning in the 1970's I think. American-Anglo- aryan feature now rule. Anyone see that vampire actor? He looks like a bitch they think lol.but it don't matter most of you guys like such young broads that they don't think about family procreation yet and care about fun. Remember they are alpha culture, they seek favorable genes for children based on the whole alpha survival shit.

(08-26-2013 09:23 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  Well yes but remember a fsu chick might take a pretty boy because in thiervworldca pretty boy is un manly and probably thier version of ugly. They believe a man should look like a man not a gayish child. I notice they will always pick the bigger nose, chin, jar and brow(alpha features) over the girly guy. Think marlboro man over GQ.There was a time hollywood also sold women a manly guy but then went the girly route beginning in the 1970's I think. American-Anglo- aryan feature now rule. Anyone see that vampire actor? He looks like a bitch they think lol.but it don't matter most of you guys like such young broads that they don't think about family procreation yet and care about fun. Remember they are alpha culture, they seek favorable genes for children based on the whole alpha survival shit.

I think we know what jumukr104 looks like now

Hilarious how many debates this thread causes. Always in good fun. For the record my buddy is still lifting up chicks here and there, including the one from Saturday night.

Last night went on a date with the girl in the white dress from Thursday. Menace you were still there when I met her right? Had drinks at a cafe, tried to get her to come up, no go. But we started making out on the street very hard and I almost fingered her in public. Had my hand on her ass inside her underwear and was going for the rear entry fingerbang but got stopped.

Only two more nights left. Not sure which nights we will go out again or not...I still want to see the first girl I banged one more time so we will see. I have many many thoughts on Moscow, Russia, Ukraine and will make a very comprehensive post about it after the trip.

Russia, poosy paradise for the ugly.

slubu, yes, I know the one. She's very pretty. I've been on a bunch of dates, but at least on the first date I have not escalated as hard as slubu has...certainly no finger banging. It just doesn't seem like they would go for it. They do like me, however. slubu, what do you typically offer to try to get them to come over, movies and tea? I mean 50% of these girls don't drink shit.

Brad Pitt test: girl from last night thought he was attractive; she has travelled widely, including to US. Other girl I have been seeing a lot of thinks he's not attractive, and she has not travelled as widely, and not been to the US. Anecdote? Data? Who knows.

(08-27-2013 12:06 AM)Menace Wrote:  slubu, yes, I know the one. She's very pretty. I've been on a bunch of dates, but at least on the first date I have not escalated as hard as slubu has...certainly no finger banging. It just doesn't seem like they would go for it. They do like me, however. slubu, what do you typically offer to try to get them to come over, movies and tea? I mean 50% of these girls don't drink shit.

Last night's girl I offered to smoke cigs on the balcony. Sadly none of these girls in Moscow are idiots, they know what you are trying to do. Also didn't get the fingerbang, but close. We were literally on a very busy street with people walking by every 5 seconds.

(08-26-2013 03:55 PM)Prosal Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 03:50 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  To Slubu and Akula - would be great for a short list of the top 10 or 20 Moscow venues by quality of ladies and DTF bangability and best night for that venue say 1 to 5 system 5 being best 1 worst a 5 club would be best - the hottest ladies but with an aloof superior attitude would rate a 5-1 on Thursday (Locals Night in most Cities) or on Saturday a 5-5 if the surrounding area hotties take the Metro in and stay till 6PM looking for fun in Moscow but with sexy more DTF attitudes. So a Venue could be a 5-1 on Thursday or 5-5 on Saturday... just as an example. Should Probably mention the Feis Kontrol difficulty as well. Of course suiting up and rolling with a Russian Body Guard service could mitigate Doorman Attitude as well.

You guys think too much. There's scorable girls everywhere in Moscow. Daygame, nightgame wtf ? ... a guy who doesn't score in Moscow is simply a loser.

Pretty true, but I don't want to make it seem easy. You still have to do the work. It's just if you do the work it many times (but not always) pays off. The army of high 6s and 7s that are available and looking for a good guy is endless. Moscow girls are supposedly harder than Kiev girls though (from what I heard/read) but not 100% sure on that.

FYI check out my Moscow datasheet here : http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-26844.html

It's pretty extensive - I'm sure Slubu can comment on certain places But you can't do a ratings system like Deepdiver proposes, some places are great one night and then slower the next week, just depends. Weather also has a lot to do with it as the places with outdoor terraces are full in summer but die down in the winter many times.

Exactly, just go off of Akula's sheet. I will throw in my two cents in there next week after the trip is over. But it's hit or miss entirely. I went to the same two clubs, in the same order, on the same night of the week (last Thursday, this Thursday). First week bar #1 was better, second week bar #2 was better. You never know.

(08-26-2013 05:36 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  "You guys think too much. There's scorable girls everywhere in Moscow. Daygame, nightgame wtf ? ... a guy who doesn't score in Moscow is simply a loser."

Problem might be they don't day game,cafe game (he also maybe doesn't suit up?)its simply a showdown with other drunk guys to score drunk women.His Buddy is also a NON white I think. But his GAME is off because Slubu didn't tell any tales of him lifting girls off the floor since they hit Moscow. I hear that's his trademark..so if he isn't doing it its time to worry a bit..

To rephrase "a guy who doesn't score in Odessa is simply a Winner". Means you be coming home with a full wallet, No Aids and No STD'S.

I would not say his game is 'off' but rather it's like poker you can play all the hands correctly and still lose - see the story about the vomit girl last Saturday. IMO Slubu's buddy is a player who has strong game but has been 1) unlucky 2) got tied down for a few key days with the girl from Tomsk and 3) doesn't speak Russian.

#3 is the biggest factor I think, because he just can't tap into a large percentage of the girls out there and get past the initial interest stages many times. I've seen his 'translator game' in action and it's good, but it still can't get him past the initial introduction sometimes and even when he 'hooks' not speaking Russian obviously makes it tougher to close. At least that's what I think.

I will say that when I first got here my success really picked up after I knew basic Russian and could have a very simple introductory conversation. It gets women more comfortable, and opens them up and let's them feel ok speaking poor English since they see you making mistakes in Russian. Small edges count and can turn what is seemingly a bad night into a crazy unexpected 'how did that happen at 5am' kinda evening.

(08-27-2013 12:33 AM)slubu Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 12:06 AM)Menace Wrote:  slubu, yes, I know the one. She's very pretty. I've been on a bunch of dates, but at least on the first date I have not escalated as hard as slubu has...certainly no finger banging. It just doesn't seem like they would go for it. They do like me, however. slubu, what do you typically offer to try to get them to come over, movies and tea? I mean 50% of these girls don't drink shit.

Last night's girl I offered to smoke cigs on the balcony. Sadly none of these girls in Moscow are idiots, they know what you are trying to do. Also didn't get the fingerbang, but close. We were literally on a very busy street with people walking by every 5 seconds.

ha ha well it is an awesome view from your balcony (no joke, it's a huge window with amazing views of the Hotel Ukraine, Moscow City and points west).

Last night I told this new girl after dinner (which was really just me eating dinner and her watching bc she won't eat after 7:30) that we should go home and watch a movie and she was like 'oh I know what that means' davai!! Just made some tea for her, put on Sherlock Homes again, watched 10 minutes of it then it was on. Funny but in my experience a lot of girls here like Sherlock Homes, there was an old Russian version of it awhile back that everyrone here apparently watched, maybe that's part of it, dunno why many like it but a lot of girls seem to.

It's crazy but this girl and a few others I've been with seem to be very sensitive about public displays of affection at a restaurant/bar, but the minute I them outside on the sidewalk or in an alley it's like game on. So that falls in line with Slubu's street girl. Go figure.

(08-26-2013 09:06 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  How old are you anyway? That you didn't know looks are subjective when dealing with other cultures.

I'm 16 and I've never left the US. Are looks really subjective when dealing with other cultures?

Note to self.

(08-26-2013 09:06 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  Even in American society women only tend to agree with each other about the top % of men Andretti can't even agree about the rest. For example one girl will like me, one will like prosal, and another one will like you(maybe). Now if your in the top % that's different.

I didn't get into details about top % or not, but was generally referring to the natural looks you are dealt with, and that includes height. I'm 6'3" and I have yet to ever meet a girl who says, "You are too tall, I don't like that."

I'm sure they exist, I just haven't met one yet.

I'm the first to acknowledge its an advantage I have. Am I going to apologize for it?

Hell no.

(08-26-2013 09:06 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  Actually the better looking guy will not get the chick All things being equal if the women wants to be the one seen as being beautiful. Again your making an assumption based on different value system.

You are making an assumption that the woman cant be seen and feel beautiful at the same time in the company of a good looking guy.

I think most women are not thinking the way you mentioned, but maybe a few are. FSU women are still women, and attraction does play a part.

Some theories that have been debunked on this thread already:

*ONS don't happen in FSU...
Well, how about a 3some, amongst other ONS by Slubu.

*You need to be knowledgeable of Russian literature to get FSU girls?
Well, unless Slubu has been reading his Russian literature since I was with him in Ukraine I don't think that holds either.

*Impossible to get laid with Google Translate.
How about a 3some?

*Being from California doesn't mean shit to FSU girls?
Hate to break the news again, but seems that it does.

This whole, "being a good looking guy is going to make it harder to get laid", will go down with the others here real soon.

(08-26-2013 09:12 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  I am considered very good-looking by fsu chicks and I have gotten rejected for being too beautiful( thier own words not mine).

So you look like Putin?

Damn, that sucks.

(08-26-2013 09:23 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  Well yes but remember a fsu chick might take a pretty boy because in thiervworldca pretty boy is un manly and probably thier version of ugly. They believe a man should look like a man not a gayish child.

Who ever said anything about "good looking" and "pretty boy" in the same sentence?

I simply said good looking. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I understand FSU chicks may not like a "pretty boy" and I never said that they did. I said they are more likely to go for good looking than ugly.

I still stand by that, even in light of the fact that they view Putin as a sex symbol. If he was the same man with even better looks, he would get even more ass than he has access to now IMO.

My point was not even FSU directed specifically, and was more a statement in general of the fact that good looks are a big factor in someones success anywhere. Maybe not as much in FSU, but yes, there also.

Ok qwst so basically we agree it seems. Putin is probably avg to be honest,age doesn't seem to matter. How many here in the USA di you think want to marry Obama or bush? Women in USA will not cross the age barrier to often.
Well high school girls of I remember change who they like everyday. Image always was more important.
@duke yes I am Eduard the vampire and just made my last film twilight die to finally growing balls. Couldn't even stand upright anymore....or was thatcfrom getting it in the rear.
@menace---if what you say is true.....that's scary.do they come backfrom oversea expecting western entitlement and other crap
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To be honest thecso called myths weren't really debunked. I also assume generalizations that Greek kamaki and others make include qualifiers(most, all,many).
The truth is.....it isn't a Ons culture. But that doesn't exclude a % that do. Just going out to certain venues you see a certain type. In America most girls are not cokeheads but come to NYC you will find many.
Prosal never said you need literature to fuck sluts.....he mentioned it goes a long way to get classy girls who want to be GF's. I am sure guys even get ONS in the middleeast, there's always an element to be found. I don't think any of those statements were ever meant to be absolute and don't qualify as myths.The real myth is that blogs talk about how easy it is....all the guys in the field are proving it takes work.

Yeah qwest agreed if you are saying they prefer attractive over ugly. But I don't think they all seeking a guy who is a 10 over let's say an attractive 7. They just don't prize it the same way as American sluts do.
Just realize though what they even consider attractive is different that's all. I think Wolverine made a good post about the issue. Each individual there has something they respond to and they know it right away. In a way American chicks are very easy because you can Manipulate them based on thier attraction triggers and become more attractive to them. It's one of the things that makes them the easiest in the world probably.
Being 6'3 is great.....the ones who don't like really tall just won't be with you.....they will be with with the shorter guys lol. But good news for you, in alpha cultures height is even more of an advantage than in USA. I actually think height is helping Slubu over his buddy.

@Slubu
Thread always goes off topic because of the gaps,it's like we are in an empty room waiting for your next report.

Hopefully I can provide you guys with some more antics but I've got a work deadline tonight and weeknights are kind of slow here. Only 2 more nights in Moscow, quite sad.

On a side note, it's pretty funny how many quick conclusions are reached just because my buddy hasn't had much success here in Moscow. He has banged 6 girls in the FSU so far, which by no means is terrible. Sometimes you just hit a dry streak...

Are you headed back to LA after Moscow, or you have some other stops planned?

(08-27-2013 08:06 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  Are you headed back to LA after Moscow, or you have some other stops planned?

Vegas for a 3 night bender for my fantasy football draft with 15 other guys. As if 3 months wasn't enough...

(08-26-2013 06:41 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:You guys think too much. There's scorable girls everywhere in Moscow. Daygame, nightgame wtf ? ... a guy who doesn't score in Moscow is simply a loser.

Yes, this is a forum of men who think too much. You haven't figured that out yet? Even easy places must be broken down with surgical precision, down to the street level. If you don't like it, then I'm sure there are other forums will guys don't think as much.

Even a basic this is the best of Moscow Nite Life List rated top number one to twenty would be useful - not even a data sheet - just a list that indicates this is the number one place in Moscow on this nite (Thurs, Fri, Sat) with the most number of model or 10/9/8 looking women on a consistent basis with either strong or weak face control.

While it is still fresh in your mind that is.

Thanks from myself and I am sure all the other guys following this thread.

Edit just saw the link to Akula's Moscow Data Sheet - thanks.

sLubu in Vegas are you that guy who goes around ' what happens in Vegas stays in vegas' all night? I was told that every group has that GUY.
My dad is there right now, he is convinced those young gals smiling at him are not hookers *rolls eyes*. He always says ifvhe didn't have his partner with him he be hitting them.

(08-27-2013 02:49 AM)Qwest Wrote:  I still stand by that, even in light of the fact that they view Putin as a sex symbol. If he was the same man with even better looks, he would get even more ass than he has access to now IMO.

My point was not even FSU directed specifically, and was more a statement in general of the fact that good looks are a big factor in someones success anywhere. Maybe not as much in FSU, but yes, there also.

Ah, 16, never been out of the country but still seems to know it all.

(08-27-2013 09:48 AM)jimukr104 Wrote:  sLubu in Vegas are you that guy who goes around ' what happens in Vegas stays in vegas' all night? I was told that every group has that GUY.
My dad is there right now, he is convinced those young gals smiling at him are not hookers *rolls eyes*. He always says ifvhe didn't have his partner with him he be hitting them.

Vegas is the easiest place in the world to get laid. But that's for another thread. Check out the ROK article on it.