Post: #76

(01-13-2014 11:51 AM)Truth Teller Wrote:  The friend zone exists IF you're stuck on cold approach. If you do social circle, you can get around it. I like (and use) both.

Elaborate.

Post: #77

(12-28-2013 08:10 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  Of course the friendzone exists! It's where you put the ugly women that you're socially-obligated to remain in contact with.

When you cross a certain level of fitness, women act very different, (less bitchiness, far more feminine), around you. They'll want to around you and involved in your life because of your aura of dominance and success and you're stuck with their objectification and what would be sexual-harrassment if the sexes were reversed due to work, friend or family committments.

For example, here's an old training mate from my gym on my facebook who moved up north for his boxing career. The power is constantly in his hands with women. Posted a new profile pic 2 days ago, look at the response already. I annotated it with my thoughts. Notice how all the manosphere-assumed cuntiness and power dynamics simply aren't in play. And yes, his girlfriend is a nine: a swimsuit model with a tiny waist. *Raises glass*

Become a big guy. It's next level. It's why I rarely night-game anymore. I don't need to.

(I'd like to strangle whatever idiot came up with the 'Poke'. Man, the ugly, entitled women who think they're in with a chance with a guy like me).

Actually no. None of my female friends are actually ugly. Why does everyone make this assumption. Almost all my female friends (who I do not find attractive personally) are exclusively: educated at the best universities, working in very good careers and while no one is perfect and problem free are interesting people who contribute positively to me life.

As I write this I'm on skype to a friend who is a barrister at a top commercial london set and my best from university is a BBC documentary producer. Both are in solid relationships (one is married, im a godfather to her little girl).

Gents you are completely doing it wrong if you have NO female friends who are just your friends because you just like them. This is an enormous problem viewing every single woman you like as a potential lay.

Post: #78

I agree. And when you really have a good female friend, she might even tell you how to clean yourself up so that a girl might actually want you.

I think female friends can be helpful, as long as you don't use them as a crutch (ie fall in love and remain a beta orbiter). A good female friend will give you tough love and a kick in the pants. Kinda like a mother should...

I think every guy should go through a phase in which he doesn't allow new female friends for awhile. just to get some experience being the "sleazy" guy who only wants sex.. But then after you have matured you can be more sophisticated and attend art openings with your female friends and get new phone numbers while you all sip chardonnay....

Post: #79

“A woman can become a man's friend only in the following stages - first an acquaintance, next a mistress, and only then a friend.”

― Anton Chekhov

Chekhov was keen on the effects of oxytocin bonding.

Exceptions are for childhood friends and close family, of course.

Women, on average, give far more traction to previous lovers than mere providers of friendship.

Post: #80

Recent experiences in my life has me thinking about the friendzone...as I continually learn the realities of today's ever-changing modern American women.

I believe it's possible to be banging a girl while being friendzoned

I've always thought friendzone was determined based on two factors, fucking (or not fucking) and friendship (behavior). Now I'm beginning to think it's far less about the fucking (or not fucking) and far more about the friendship dynamic.

Typical friendzone: Easy to see, guy is really good friends with a chic (depends on her emotionally) he would love to bang. He wants to fuck her so he spends a bunch of time with her, talks about his emotions, she talks to him about her asshole guys she dates, etc.

Fucking-friendzone: Potentially more self-delusional for the guy. Actively fucking a girl who has already friend-zoned you (perhaps the origin of the term, boyfriend).

I have a friend who banged this chic (HB7) a few weeks ago, I think both of them drunk. She is a manager at the bar and I'm fairly certain has all of the traits that come along with the profession. He's banged her once or twice since then, but...

When I've talked to him about it, he sounds like he wants to turn this random hookup into a relationship. Seeing them interact, he clearly wants more than to simply fuck her that evening.

To put another way, he's out kicking his coverage. She's more attractive than his average, or at least than the average chics with whom he's had relationships. And this dynamic can be seen in her as well. She's somewhat standoffish to him. She's not excited about being seen with him.

Near-friendzone: Feeling the pull of the friendzone and ejecting orbit before being pulled in. We've all spent time with chics who we slowly realized, for whatever reason, didn't want to fuck us. In my experience, as with the one below, they're better potential LTR girls (or maybe that's my dismissive way of saying they're hotter chics, since potential LTR = younger, hotter, less dicks).

I recently had a good girl (young, one LT bf, hasn't dated since, doesn't drink much) with whom I shared some make outs and heavy petting, but no sex. I still see her (bc of her work), she still texts me, but I've pulled back to aloofness, understanding she wasn't going to spread her legs for me, at least right now. I should say, the aloofness comes naturally to me now because of past experiences and more abundance (two other girls I'm banging).

I suspect the difference, from a friendzone standpoint, between me and my buddy (a chronic friendzoned guy) is not in the women we fuck (quantity + hotness), but in the *type of relationships* we have. Regardless of whether I'm fucking a girl or not, I simply don't fall into that "friend" orbit. Either she's orbiting you or you're orbiting her.

Post: #81

Most women dont have real friends, male or female.

The very idea of real companionship is a male concept. Watch any team sport.

Post: #82

I wrote about this on ROK a while back.

http://www.returnofkings.com/24101/its-i...be-friends

Post: #83

Friendzone = Uglyzone