Post: #26

(07-12-2013 08:12 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  Working on yourself to achieve eye contact from 7+'s is also game IMHO. 5 years ago I would get zero looks. Now the game is much easier since I read up on 1) style, 2) colors, 3) ideal muscle proportions, 4) body language.

Which colours of clothes are best to wear to get more looks? Does the setting( bar/club/daygame/concert) matter ?

And do you have any good books that help out with developing sexually body language for men to attract females ? I stand straight and focus on being relaxed and take big steps, but I feel I can do better.

Post: #27

(07-12-2013 08:46 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  If you're sitting at your office and people come in and are interested in your product, are you a salesman when they buy it?

No. You're a clerk.

A salesman is someone who takes a prospect who isn't initially interested in his product and gets him to buy it.

The same is true of game.

You're not a true killer unless you are getting with girls who brushed you off or who weren't interested.

Being interested doesn't mean it is a done deal. You still have to close and being interested doesn't mean they are ready to buy. Some of my hardest sales where from people who started out interested.

Post: #28

I don't waste my time on them. If she's too much of a moron to recognise my value, then bollocks to her, it's her loss. There are plenty of girls that ARE receptive.

If all girls of the standard I desire aren't receptive to me, then my inherent value is too low, and I need to dress better/be in better shape/be more confident etc.

Got better things to do with my time than expend massive mental energy trying to persuade a girl to like me.

Post: #29

(07-13-2013 04:57 AM)Fredster Wrote:  

(07-12-2013 08:12 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  Working on yourself to achieve eye contact from 7+'s is also game IMHO. 5 years ago I would get zero looks. Now the game is much easier since I read up on 1) style, 2) colors, 3) ideal muscle proportions, 4) body language.

Which colours of clothes are best to wear to get more looks? Does the setting( bar/club/daygame/concert) matter ?

And do you have any good books that help out with developing sexually body language for men to attract females ? I stand straight and focus on being relaxed and take big steps, but I feel I can do better.

The 9 Laws of Attractive Body Language.

Post: #30

What mike is saying is just the same as my previous long ass post on "warm leads being easier than cold leads". No one could answer that quote and it turned into a flame fest. Hence why I never take game advice from guys more attractive than me. (Unless you have 10 years more experience than me or something ridiculous). The best rebuttal was about "passive value" problem is when you step into a club/bar/day game venue your only passive value is what you look like (excluding status + locking the place down). It's not like they know you're a balling ass entrepreneur or banker from hello.

Funny, I met a guy 1 year ago who changed my night game 3 fold. He was 40 bald and fat and I saw him pull a 6.5. I learned a ton from his charisma, the I just jotted down the places he Rec'd and the return was significant.

That said.

I believe making yourself more attractive so you do get more warm leads is certainly part of the game. If I tried to game the chicks I do today, 5 years ago, I would get blown the fuck out. No style, weak ass haircut, weak ass body positioning. Today those same chicks I was banging would be layup a on a 2 foot rim with a tennis ball.

Game is a sales business.

1. Always improve cold sales (silver tongue)
2. Always improve yourself externally so you get more warm leads (looks, money, status)
3. Always have go to clients (rotation)

To me all three above is game.

Post: #31

How do you create an image in order to generate more warm leads?

Everyone's personality is different and it has to be congruent with the "type" she is looking for. I've recognized this more and more that women not being able to put me in a "box," is a detriment because I don't match the type she's looking for.

Post: #32

^ easy.

What city are you in? Watch the news for 2 days, check music videos and a few fashion magazines in the area. Then pick up local ads for higher end items with models in it.

Do this for every city you go to. Girls are herd creatures and have a type based on what the media outlet tells them to like.

You can also create fake dating profiles and change your "vibe" and see which ones get the most hits.

Overall though I recommend "what girl do I want" then you adjust your look to that girl type. You're not going to see a thugged out "30 thousand dollar millionaire" with tattoos dating the guy who works at KPMG accounting.

You can work at job X but your personality needs to match her type.

Hell it has been 2 years now where the girl knows what I actually do for a living. So the job/box seems to be an issue only if you let her box you into the "wrong" type.

Anyway there are cut and dry types as well.

1. All girls like the correct muscle proportions
2. All girls will choose a man with money over he broke guy
3. All girls will choose he guy who makes them "feel good" over the guy who thinks he is smarter than her

Post: #33

(07-14-2013 01:12 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  3. All girls will choose he guy who makes them "feel good" over the guy who thinks he is smarter than her

I'd love to expand on this a bit.

What are some shortcuts we can use to make women feel good at the emotional level?

One thing I've seen is dancing well. A girl who is with a guy that can dance is just having the time of her life and makes for a great quick physical connection.

Giving compliments that are genuine can be good but you have to be careful not to overdo that or come off as supplicating and use them sparingly and only with a girl that is showing genuine IOIs to you. Maybe something insightful about why she's different and interesting(it would help of course if you really mean it).

Post: #34

(07-14-2013 01:24 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(07-14-2013 01:12 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  3. All girls will choose he guy who makes them "feel good" over the guy who thinks he is smarter than her

I'd love to expand on this a bit.

What are some shortcuts we can use to make women feel good at the emotional level?

kaseem nailed it

Post: #35

(07-14-2013 07:23 AM)ao85 Wrote:  How do you create an image in order to generate more warm leads?

Everyone's personality is different and it has to be congruent with the "type" she is looking for. I've recognized this more and more t women not being able to put me in a "box," is a detriment because I don't match the type she's looking for.

I hear you. My personal solution to this is to role play five or so different archetypal "types" (costumes and props included). Training in methods of classical styles of acting can help with this technique. It is particularly effective online because the women on dating sites practically spell out all their likes and dislikes making it easy to build a character that can prey on their weaknesses and crush their shit tests and bitch shields. This takes enormous amounts of time and effort but is very effective. She wants a millionaire cowboy who likes listening to Toby Keith? Then that's who I become. Of course, I like acting game, it's fun for me, I don't mind putting in the time and effort to become someone I'm not.

Some guys dont like acting game and go with " I'm just myself with a verbal technique of in person cold approach seduction. I'm not gonna' be someone I'm not and spend massive amounts of time trolling on the net. These dumb chicks can take me or leave me, I don't care what they think of me because I'm of high value, I'm a wanted man, I got game, I got cash, and I don't have the time to waste on dead end leads." This is another great level of game. I deploy this game whenever my finances and geography allow for it. Context is everything: current level of finances, location, age, level of fitness, state of mind, vibe, level of beauty/ugliness, vocal tone and cadence, and overall ability to game all combine into a very case specific formula. But in most situations I don't focus on my image and personality, I focus on her image and personality. Reflecting back to her that which she wishes to see. By the time I get her in bed she is basically fucking herself.

Post: #36

My philosophy is persistence overcomes indifference.

By "persistence" I don't mean pestering a woman. I mean trying out different things and letting her get to know different facets of you as time goes on. I learned this the hard way.

A few years ago I was rubbing elbows with a solid 8 who I thought I had nothing in common with. She was also a bit taller. And she seemed totally non-plussed in my presence. So I basically gave up and moved on.

Scroll ahead a few years: I learned (via Facebook) we actually had a lot in common, especially some of the weird old music I love and an obsession with old vinyl....among other things. Plus, her last few exes were shorter (she's very tall) and definitely not as good-looking as me. Plus they were all musicians ... and I'm a musician.

All I had to do to strike her interest was let her get to know me a little bit. But I was worried that she didn't seem to take to me at first so I made it a point to hide all my quirky likes and dislikes and keep conversations on the surface. (Fear of rejection often makes us conservative in our approaches.) I assumed she'd think my taste in music was weird and that me playing music was irresponsible and childish. Wrong! Had I simply talked to her more and let her get to know the real me, odds we would have clicked. Now she's moved far away. Live and learn.

So my advice is to break out your quirks. If you're into weird shit, let it all hang out because you never know when a woman might just be into the same stuff.