Post: #1

A commenter on one of Roosh's blog entries mentioned that once you get over approach anxiety, you realize that the success rate(I'm defining success as getting a notch) of cold approaches is pretty low, and that's why it's called "a numbers game." I suppose that makes sense. Cold approaching in the street is a lot like cold approaching in sales. You are mostly trying to sell something to people that aren't looking for something, yet you are to use your powers of gab and personality to convince them to want something and feel it will bring value to their life. Then they buy. That's what both a good salesman and PUA do. What's good is that it gives you options outside your social network, but the bad is that whole numbers game thing, i.e. I must approach 50 girls to get 10 non-flaky numbers of which 1 out of that ten may end up being a notch. It just seems like such an inefficient use of time. Sure, it's better than wanking off at home, but still there's just no getting around the fact that time is being used very inefficiently if a guy has to go through dozens of approaches just to get one bang. There has to be a way to make this more efficient.

Thing is like many guys are seeing, there's just a hell of a lot of flaky girls. They will talk to you, they will give you the number but when it's time to escalate past that point, they all become flakes. This is the wall I'm running into, and so are friends of mine. I'm starting to think that a lot of this has to do with the nature of cold approaching itself. I'm wondering if it's better to switch it out maybe with social network game. When I meet girls that are friends of friends or whatever, they are less likely to be flaky. Maybe it's because you feel "safe" since you know someone she knows as opposed to the anonymous guy that approached her in the street. I wonder how much a woman's perceived threats of her safety have to do with this?

Btw, I recently read an interesting study that the average man will only have sex with 7 or 8 women in his entire life. That was the median figure. The average figure was 20, but that's only because the top 5% of guys are having sex with such a massive amount of women that they are wildly skewing the figure up for everyone. The real number for average Joe is around 7. My thought on that is that most of us think there's more sex going on than we think there is. Most guys think other dudes are getting more ass than he is, but it's probably not true. MOST men aren't getting much action, period.

Post: #2

I agree with you... I think that going for areas less exploited by regular dudes is good, also building your value, is good since its gradually increased the way women will perceive you and therefore will give you easy passive quality notches on the net. Most importantly you learn and live your live and grow so in the end, all the women the lays.. more become second nature, like going to the gymn... its not the focus anymore, its just what comes along... there is a flow in the women and you just dont care, because you have plans...

Plans that go beyond being a bum a scoring a prostitute for free, because you think long term, plan and execute... not in the name of pussy, but for your own sake.

The numbers you bang isnt that interesting, I mean beyond a certain number its just another vagina.. then you collect flags, like small boys collecting car cards and comparing numbers, "Hey I got a 8 in body" whats yours?

Women are freaking crazy, they complain about me fucking some 23 old chick that fall in love, but feed their own friends to drug fiends because their friend said they liked them? mystery is right about on thing, they dont assume responsibility for anything.. and their logic is just a word without any real meaning other that trying to sound like something other that an emotional being devoid of deliberate thinking. Which is more true than most men think, the more women I meet talk to and interact with, the more I know they are so clueless about what they do want.. they really dont know, but throw them a bone and hey they want that!

Most women are pack animals devoid of abstract and subjective thinking and that also transfers into the cold approaches I guess, and as the panic oriented beings they are, if its foreign its probably best to be afraid..

The other way around their own commitment and overvaluing eachother opinion work so beautiful in the social settings.. plus if you get to a point where you have status.... teach them... meet them somehow not about sex..seduce them when their guard is down.

Post: #3

a tip for you guys, planning to talk about a chick here, avoid showing her the forum...

Post: #4

I don't think it means men ain't getting the "goodies"...it just means men are committing to relationships over multiple partners....I can still break off my girl everyday of the week for 3 years and still only be counted as one partner..

Post: #5

When cold approaching is your goal a SNL (same night lay) or to get a number that will eventually lead to sex? I think most guys ideally would like the SNL, but I think this can be more of a challenge then getting a girls digits, going out on a date(s), then subsequently getting sex. I think there are a lot of factors involved with the cold approach, besides the obvious (you need tight game), also is the girl horny? (does she have a reg fuck buddy, or has it been a month since she got laid), how attracted is she to you?, are there obstacles (cock blocks, etc.)?

Girls are really flakey these days, so I'd agree that it is really a number game, I posted a while back about how I went sarging hard one weekend a couple months ago, and got 7 numbers. Out of those 7 numbers I only got 2 dates, one of which resulted in a bang (the other date could have been, but I decided I wasn't feeling the girl). To avoid the flaking you really need to make a strong impression/connection with the girl, I have done the 5 mins. of convo and gone for the #, but really you should have a decent conversation in the 15 min.- 1 hour range, to limit the chances of her flaking out. Also if a girl tells you to get her number or asks for your number, that is usually a good sign, just make sure if she asks for your number that you tell her to call you or text you on the spot, because even though she asked for it, chances of her calling you are still pretty slim. Also, another good gauge of whether she will flake is how she reacts when you ask her for her number, does her face light up, do her eyes get big, does she smile, does she sound enthusiastic? I have had girls give me their numbers, but show no signs of enthusiasm or hesitate a moment before giving it to me, I can usually tell that these girls are going to be more likely to end up flaking.

That statistic of guys only having had sex with 7 or 8 women in their lives is probably accurate, but I'd agree with Caramel Communist, that this is mostly because a lot of guys settle for a girl that they end up in a long term relationship with for a few years, so that's the only girl they're having sex with in that time. A lot of guys also end up getting married in their late 20's/early 30's, so if they stay faithful to their wives, that's pretty much putting a cap on their notch list. My older bro, only had sex with like 3 women before he got married, so he's on the low end of the spectrum. I have a fair amount of other friends who I refer to as "settlers", because they are not great with women, and end up settling for whatever girl is all about them and wants to be their girlfriend. Well if you date a girl for 3 years break up with her and start dating another girl for 4 years, so on and so forth, your notch list won't be very high.

For me right now, I've been doing well for myself, in the past 3 months I've greatly improved, once you get that momentum on your side things get easier. My main issue now is deciding how much effort I want to put into keeping girls around and going out and finding new girls. I'm still no Don Juan, so I got to hit the town, approach, get numbers, go on dates, etc., and for me it still feels like I am putting a lot of time, energy, and effort into getting laid. It sucks that women have to put in 1% of the effort that we do in terms of getting laid. Sometimes I feel like I get burned out on the game, but after a few weeks of no sex, and masturbating to online porn, I'm ready to get back out in the field and start sarging like a mad man.

Post: #6

@OG

Dude, I've had several recent girls offer me their number first without me even asking. Of course I don't assume they'll call me first so I always tell them to call me right there on the spot so I have theirs too. I then hit the bitches up a day or two later and they don't get back. Total flakes. Shit is frustrating! Maybe it's just a bad luck streak and we all hit a rough patch from time to time. I'm just getting sick of the flaky bullshit I keep encountering out in the field.

I've had a couple recent dates that came through, but guess what, they are girls that I met through other people, not in the field. I'm starting to feel disillusioned with the field. I know I have to keep pushing on though.

Post: #7

I agree that social circle gaming could be easier, and definitely result in less flakey females. Unfortunately, most of my friends are guys and usually they don't have lot's of female friends either, or they have a girlfriend, but their girlfriend's friends are not very attractive. I was going to take a Spanish class at the local community college, but I think I'm too late to register, plus I'm lazy as fuck. I need to get into a yoga class or something with lot's of chill, down to earth women. There are cool, non-slutty women that go to bars, but the majority of bar fly chicks are just slutty, flaking bitches, in my opinion.

Post: #8

I dont know why, but its been really long since girls flake on me... when they do, they usually re-initiate contact and we hook up.. but I cant tell you what factors is appropriate.. I simply dont know.

Update, probs for a nice post MM... I do recollect one thing at least I often end with a sms or whatever msg, "Im looking forward to see you or similar" in danish "jeg glæder mig til at se dig"..since I think that this "inception" of future joy and potential fun is good, without really given anything but an open attitude in hey, you might be interesting.

Since I meet most chick online I also sometimes call them up, but that is a maybe, Im hooking up with a hot blond 22 year old friday, and a lovely 20 old next week and both will be coming home to me first date.. and I havent really done anything but just making it happen, the blonde took a little push pull (tex msg), but thats it.. no phonecalls.. but sometimes its good just to make her feel secure.

I def. think the value thing MM posted below is spot on.

Post: #9

I think that beyond a girl investing time in you, 2 other factors are extremely important for a girl to WANT to know more about you and see you again - which of course, will lead to sex.

Even my own mother once told me "If upon meeting a woman, she never sees you as someone of higher value than herself, you can forget about ever seeing her again no matter how long you talked to her".

DHV is critical. You must find a way to generate that feeling of a higher prize she better get before someone else does. This is is a must to avoid a flake.

Quasi mentioned how women are "pack animals" and that is VERY true. There is a book tittled "Alpha Dog, get the Bitch You want". It is actually written by a woman who sells herself as a "wing-girl"

The author goes into details on the "pack animal" behaviors of women, and how you need to use those traits to get a relationship or even just sex.

So, how do you demonstrate higher value? It depends on the girl and the location you met.

If you met a girl in a foreign country, and you are "different" than her, that is a DHV. However, even if you are a novelty and exotic, if there are 20 foreigners hitting on her just like you, then you are "another guy".

If you met a girl in the lobby Cafe of your office, and you are suited up, that is also perceived higher value. At least for that moment...

These are just examples - my point is your location, and difference are KEY points. Think about the last girls you banged, how did you get to bang her? At some point YOU led her into believing you were of higher value; even if its just higher value for the night or the hour. She is bored, on Tue and is sitting at home. Perhaps you were not higher value on Saturday night, but you certainly are higher value on Tuesday night. She has 20 guys begging her for sex, but you seduce her, instead of begging for it - you are Higher Value. See where I am going with this?

Timing, Location, and Novelty all are DHV.

I always HATE mentioning what I do for a living, so instead, I talk about PAST accomplishments and positions that I used to have, to lead her to imagine what I do present day without saying it. Now, please do not say, I use to flip burgers at a fast food restaurant if you manage a Mcdonalds today. That is not a DHV! That is just being funny if you throw it out there...be playful, not funny.


If you really do manage a Mcdonalds today, then briefly mention instead "I always had an entrepreneurial spirit, and have held careers that help me fully develop that < now throw a playful remark here>)


Read the book I mentioned above, It will help you identify these "pack animal" behaviors, and exploit them.

Lastly, let me emphasize location again. A woman at a nightclub looking like a sexy fox will NEVER see you as HV if you are not in her social circle or she does not see someone she knows (or respects) interested in you! I go to clubs often too, and I make out a lot when I get there, but out of 10 make-out sessions, maybe 4 will lead to sex. Pack animal instincts factor a lot here in this scenario.

Now, the good news, that percentage will increase if I am somewhere where she is not constantly being hit on by guys like me.

Example:

I walk in suited up to a sleazy reaggaton club. All women at this venue are being hit on by guys in basketball Jerseys and cheap gold chains with bad manners/attitude. I am certainly the highest value guy there as soon as I approach with class, style and swagger. Any girl I meet here will either have sex with me that night, or definitely in the next 3 days! However, if I go suited up to the Playboy Mansion, well, I am competing with other players who have as much style, and value as I do. So, I become "another guy" in her thirst for attention. Desperately, you are now relying on luck; not on natural dynamics. Fuck that!

Lots of guys here post how they go to certain high end clubs in Las Vegas, and bang 3 women in 1 night - again, location, location, location. At that moment, any guy with swagger and balls will be HV as she is "looking" for that Vegas dirty secret to take home. However, choose the wrong venue, and you are in for an exhausting night, and possibly disappointing night.

I have very few women flake on me, even on cold-approach, street pick-up. I simply pick my location, and scout my venues closely, even if its a local coffee shop well in advance to ensure my highest probability of success. It's not a guarantee that you will find a woman to get laid, but damn, it sure comes close to it.

I don't go to a club because "it gets packed" as some guys I know love to say about a club to give it value.

Mixx

Post: #10

Solid Take home lesson above Mixx, Thanks .....

Post: #11

Good post Mixx...damn no surprise you're a natural, your mom gave you game as a youngster hahaha

Post: #12

(09-01-2010 07:51 AM)MiXXmaster27 Wrote:  I think that beyond a girl investing time in you, 2 other factors are extremely important for a girl to WANT to know more about you and see you again - which of course, will lead to sex.

Even my own mother once told me "If upon meeting a woman, she never sees you as someone of higher value than herself, you can forget about ever seeing her again no matter how long you talked to her".

DHV is critical. You must find a way to generate that feeling of a higher prize she better get before someone else does. This is is a must to avoid a flake.

Quasi mentioned how women are "pack animals" and that is VERY true, there is a book written by a woman called "Alpha Dog, get the Bitch You want".

The author goes into details on the "pack animal" behaviors of women, and how you need to use those traits to get a relationship or even just sex.

So, how do you demonstrate higher value? It depends on the girl and the location you met.

If you met a girl in a foreign country, and you are "different" than her, that is a DHV. However, even if you are a novelty and exotic, if there are 20 foreigners hitting on her just like you, then you are "another guy".

If you met a girl in the lobby Cafe of your office, and you are suited up, that is also perceived higher value. At least for that moment...

These are just examples - my point is your location, and difference are KEY points. Think about the last girls you banged, how did you get to bang her? At some point YOU led her into believing you were of higher value; even if its just higher value for the night or the hour. She is bored, on Tue and is sitting at home. Perhaps you were not higher value on Saturday night, but you certainly are higher value on Tuesday night. She has 20 guys begging her for sex, but you seduce her, instead of begging for it - you are Higher Value. See where I am going with this?

Timing, Location, and Novelty all are DHV.

I always HATE mentioning what I do for a living, so instead, I talk about PAST accomplishments and positions that I used to have, to lead her to imagine what I do present day without saying it. Now, please do not say, I use to flip burgers at a fast food restaurant if you manage a Mcdonalds today. That is not a DHV! That is just being funny if you throw it out there...be playful, not funny.


If you really do manage a Mcdonalds today, then briefly mention instead "I always had an entrepreneurial spirit, and have held careers that help me fully develop that < now throw a playful remark here>)


Read the book I mentioned above, It will help you identify these "pack animal" behaviors, and exploit them.

Lastly, let me emphasize location again. A woman at a nightclub looking like a sexy fox will NEVER see you as HV if you are not in her social circle or she does not see someone she knows (or respects) interested in you! I go to clubs often too, and I make out a lot when I get there, but out of 10 make-out sessions, maybe 4 will lead to sex. Pack animal instincts factor a lot here in this scenario.

Now, the good news, that percentage will increase if I am somewhere where she is not constantly being hit on by guys like me.

Example:

I walk in suited up to a sleazy reaggaton club. All women at this venue are being hit on by guys in basketball Jerseys and cheap gold chains with bad manners/attitude. I am certainly the highest value guy there as soon as I approach with class, style and swagger. Any girl I meet here will either have sex with me that night, or definitely in the next 3 days! However, if I go suited up to the Playboy Mansion, well, I am competing with other players who have as much style, and value as I do. So, I become "another guy" in her thirst for attention. Desperately, you are now relying on luck; not on natural dynamics. Fuck that!

Lots of guys here post how they go to certain high end clubs in Las Vegas, and bang 3 women in 1 night - again, location, location, location. At that moment, any guy with swagger and balls will be HV as she is "looking" for that Vegas dirty secret to take home. However, choose the wrong venue, and you are in for an exhausting night, and possibly disappointing night.

I have very few women flake on me, even on cold-approach, street pick-up. I simply pick my location, and scout my venues closely, even if its a local coffee shop well in advance to ensure my highest probability of success. It's not a guarantee that you will find a woman to get laid, but damn, it sure comes close to it.

I don't go to a club because "it gets packed" as some guys I know love to say about a club to give it value.

Mixx

yeah...I got the same advice from a couple episodes of the Dog Whisperer......

Post: #13

Good material, Mixx.

Post: #14

This is probably the most interesting post I have ever read on this forum. The question raised drives to the core of approaching and I think about it often: how many girls do I have to approach to close one deal? It is a fundamentally related question to anyone in sales or real estate. Are you closing deals or just doing a lot of talking and getting jerked around?

Any business is going to analyze the effectiveness of their sales force. How many leads are being generated and how many deals are being closed. I took this business approach to pickup. I wrote down the name of every girl I have at least kissed. If I don’t at least kiss them I don’t even record their name. Out of 27 girls I have made out with in the past 3.5 years I notched 3. So if I make out with a girl there is an 11.11% chance I will notch them. This is an arbitrary calculation (notches / makeouts). Also it is must be noted that if you make out too heavily with the girl you will not notch them b/c they will get buyer’s remorse driving the % close rate down. The more interesting statistic is (notches / cold approaches) it would be interesting to see that!

The only other noteworthy statistics I got from my analysis is that if you go home with the girl the night you meet them you are guaranteed far more interesting things to happen then if you settle for a phone #.

The original poster was asking about more efficient uses of time which I seek. I proffer that if you have a good social circle of girls that have girlfriends that is gonna be a more efficient source of #s and notches but if you don’t have that you only have cold approaches to rely on. I get disillusioned with the field but it is the main resource I have. You could also consider the magic of graduate school and just walk up to the girls in class.

Does anyone have a link to the Mystery quote?

Post: #15

don't wanna sound negative but i'd be very surprised if there were many guys in "the community" who have even on one occasion "closed" a girl of a level they weren't able to get before getting into pua stuff

Post: #16

the field may be frustrating, but it is the main resource we all rely on.
before you drop a few hundred bucks on a college class, think about this - it may have 30-50 or so people, out of them 15-20 will be girls, out of them only 5 will be attractive, and out of them only 1 may want to bang you.
so it is the same ratio as with cold approaching, only you save your money and your time.

Post: #17

(09-02-2010 04:21 AM)K-man Wrote:  the field may be frustrating, but it is the main resource we all rely on.
before you drop a few hundred bucks on a college class, think about this - it may have 30-50 or so people, out of them 15-20 will be girls, out of them only 5 will be attractive, and out of them only 1 may want to bang you.
so it is the same ratio as with cold approaching, only you save your money and your time.

Time and money are precious resources dude. Conserve when possible!

Post: #18

(08-31-2010 03:06 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  My thought on that is that most of us think there's more sex going on than we think there is. Most guys think other dudes are getting more ass than he is, but it's probably not true. MOST men aren't getting much action, period.

A lot of guys I know, hell a lot of guys we all know, lie about how much sex they are getting. I do know a few guys that have definitely banged a lot of girls, the bartender, rico-sauve types that are fortunate enough to get new options every night. I also know guys that have increased their notch count through other means, such as lowering their standards and/or using the internet.

Post: #19

I stopped by a local World Market to pick up something and saw this Latin girl that was an absolute stunner. She didn't look like the regular type Latin girl from Mexico or Central America you usually see around here, she looked more exotic. She could've been Brazilian or Colombian. A solid 9 on my scale. Perfect samba-queen type body with a firm protruding ass, yet a nice flat stomach and a face as good as Adriana Lima's. She walked by and just her fragrance alone was enough to induce feelings of sensory euphoria. I sort of had that deer in the headlights reaction. Just stunned as I'd been walking around in the store for 20 minutes or so and then bam, out of nowhere is damn near a perfect 10. I kind of circled around to see where she was headed being cautious not to look like stalker. I then saw her in the checkout line getting her stuff ringed up. I then got in line behind her and she was engaged in a conversation with cashier about something she purchased. I could tell by the way she spoke she wasn't from here, even though she spoke good English and she certainly wasn't Mexican. Then she was out the door and gone forever.

Sometimes I just don't know how to prepare for these situations. It's one thing when you know you're headed out to the bar. You get dressed up, maybe look at a few game blogs to yourself motivated, your mindset is on being sociable. But when you're walking around in your sandals and gym shorts to make a quick run to the store and see a genuine stunner seemingly drop out of thin air, it can be hard to just fire up the game on the spot.

I started thinking about it as I left the store reviewing what I should've done and what I should've said. I concluded that my problem is that I'm an indirect game guy and I virtually never use direct game. As I said earlier in this thread, as a teen I grew up very shy and I think I learned the habit of fearing direct game at that time. When I see a girl like this in a store situation, I'm sitting there trying to think of a way to casually approach her without making it look like I'm trying a pick up. Then I start trying to think of something I can say to spark a conversation and then I'm sitting there thinking so much I don't do anything and before I realize it, the chic is gone. I then realize I'm going about it all wrong. I'm thinking now that for situations where you see a girl walking by busy shopping or otherwise looking occupied, you have no choice but balls out direct game. Make your intentions known from the outset.

What do you guys think of just walking up and saying something like, "Hey, I saw you walk by and I couldn't help but come and talk to you. Are you single?"

Problem with direct approaching a girl on the street is that you might come off too much as a guy just looking to score some ass and who does this every 10 minutes. I've stood in front of clubs and heard guys spitting "whassup girl, I wanna talk to you..." lines a gazillion times. Each time the chic just pays them no attention and keeps walking. So I'm trying to figure out some default direct game openers that don't sound "player-ish" and low class if you know what I mean.

I'm thinking now I could've walked up and said, "You look different, not like someone from here..." That might have piqued her curiosity long enough for me to pivot into some game.

I was also thinking maybe a generic store opener could be to walk up and say, "can I help you find something?" Just like the store staff will come up and say. It'll be obvious by your clothes you don't work there, and she may say, "you work here?" and you can say, "Of course not" then if she's cool, she might laugh and even play along and tell you what she's looking for and allow a pivot into some game...or she just might look at you like a weirdo.

Feel free to add some generic store openers if you want to share. I see so many hot girls in stores I can't neglect this area of the field any longer.

Post: #20

@ Speakeasy:

My Input , Why would you want to go Direct if your Indirect game is good anyway, going to the basics.... 3 second rule , Just say some thing. Situational openers come to my mind easy/naturally, Like commenting on some of her shopping articles, Talk about weather, foreign accent, Cold reading and try to guess where she is from.

some openers that come to my mind in that particular situation

"that brand of shampoo that you picked up is going to make you loose some hair "

" So many choices how do U decide to go with this particular brand "

" I detect a Foriegn accent where are u From OR Are you from Colombia?

If natural openers don't come easy to you , make a list of 10-15 generic openers and spit @ target at the first opportunity before you get the Deer in the headlight feeling, I guess make a habit of talking to every bangable girl without Sex in mind will get you in a fluent mode or naturally talkative

where I have problem is how to transition to Sexual Inuendo or show Intent when you are going Indirect But some one mentioned earlier to Escalate with Kino, Eye contact or just plain showing your Intent switching to direct once rapport is established.

Post: #21

My input " Hey chica! my undercover name is Speakeasy and Im a pro PUA, all resistance is futile" or if she really is all that you describe I would maybe go for the you look mexican, when you think she isnt just to bust her balls :-) I mean whats the worst that can happen? better to have a good laugh!

Post: #22

Aaaaarrrrrgghh. I am still pissed you let that go!!! Sshh when I get over you losing her, I'll post my .02 ^^

Post: #23

(09-03-2010 08:59 AM)MiXXmaster27 Wrote:  Aaaaarrrrrgghh. I am still pissed you let that go!!! Sshh when I get over you losing her, I'll post my .02 ^^

Nobody is more pissed at me than me!

Post: #24

(09-03-2010 08:07 AM)docsedated Wrote:  @ Speakeasy:

My Input , Why would you want to go Direct if your Indirect game is good anyway, going to the basics....

Because one, for me anyway it's harder to come up with an indirect opener on a girl that's basically a moving, preoccupied target. It takes a bit more time too going from indirect to number close because you then have to bridge the fluff talk over into gaming her. Whereas in a situation with limited time, just going straight to gaming her might be the best option.

If I'm in a bar or party type situation where time and pre-occupation isn't much of a factor, then yeah I'm for indirect game 100%.

Post: #25

I hear ya on cold approaching chicks in grocery stores, etc., I think you have the right idea, don't know about the "can I help you line" if you obviously don't work there, it will most likely come off as cheesy, unless you can instill some kind of humor. I've been working on approaches like the one you described, as I'm always in the organic grocery store just about every day and it is pretty target rich. I usually try to get in line behind the girl, and from there it's just observational/situational openers, yes you can over think things, and end up not saying anything, or sometimes there just really isn't any good intro. into conversation, but really if you think about it there are tons of things you could say or comment on. For example, you could say "ooh those strawberries look good, I should have grabbed some", from there segway into how one of your favorite things about summer is all the fresh produce, from there mention the farmers market in Santa Monica or where ever. If she gives you IOIs, then introduce yourself and ask where she lives, etc....

One sticking point I have is when in a situation like chatting up a girl in line, is asking her to wait a minute for me, if she's ahead in line, pays for her stuff, and is about to roll out. But, after letting so many fine girls giving me IOIs slip away, I realize you just got to man up, and say, "hey would you wait a minute for me, I'd like to talk to you just a little more." At that point, she's either going to stick around or say "sorry I need to go", if she sticks around, I'd say you have a pretty solid chance for getting her digits, especially if you've already made an introduction.

Doc has some good ideas and I know he was just throwing out hypothetical lines, but I'd avoid saying something like "that brand of shampoo that you picked up is going to make you loose some hair ", unless you can do it in a really random/funny way that makes her laugh, which I am assuming would be his intention. I think direct game could work, where you say something like, "hey you caught my eye, there's something really unique about you, and I felt like I needed to come over to meet you." If you go this route, you have to come 100% with the confidence, eye contact, good posture/body language, voice tonality, etc., and you better have some solid follow up game, because you can't just say that, then go straight for getting her number, and then bouncing out. I think with direct game situation a lot will also have to deal with how straight up physically attracted to you she is, if you are just the kind of guy she's into, then you could be her "prince charming", but if she's not into guys like you at all, then you're going to be just some "sleezy creeper" that tried to "come on to" her at the grocery store, it's funny how women can be so extreme in how they view things sometimes. I always tend to think in day game it's better to go indirect, but even indirect you can convey interest/attraction, such as something like "wow I really like your earrings, they match your eyes", "are they turquoise?", "that's my favorite stone, and favorite color, and it compliments you very well."