Post: #26

tom leykis is interviewing her right now http://www.blowmeuptom.com

Post: #27

Here is another interview with her:

Going Galt: Why men are boycotting marriage, fatherhood and the American Dream

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/21/going-...z2WzW3BXFu

Post: #28

Here’s another interesting take on the morning after text.

http://kidstrangelove.wordpress.com/2013...-you-text/

Post: #29

before you trash this book check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdb9akyVj...r_embedded

Post: #30

I'm reading it now....And I agree with Frenchie we could use more allies.

Post: #31

(06-29-2013 05:40 PM)Jordan Wrote:  I'm reading it now....And I agree with Frenchie we could use more allies.

I agree. I've seen her in a few interviews and she seems genuinely concerned with men's rights.

Post a review of the book in this thread when you are done reading it.

Post: #32

She was on Fux and Friends battling hamsters.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/2517272740001...-marriage/

Post: #33

I am sorry but you would have to be a moron to hate on this woman.

Post: #34

(06-13-2013 05:39 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Women will infiltrate any group where they can get male attention with the least amount of effort.

The manosphere is such a sausage party that a woman can put up a 50 pixel thumbnail that hints to her not being a beast and she will get hundreds of hits on a blog that has horrible content.

I must admit to being a little disappointed to learn that this is all you have to say about this book.

Given the fact that it covers many aspect of the modern day, male-female dynamics, that you yourself have been writing about here for years, I’m amazed at your apparent lack of interest.


If you have read it (and I can't believe you haven't) I and many others on this site, would be very interested to know your views on the actual content of this book. Not your views on the author, her blog or the fact that it’s written by a woman but on the book it’s self.

While we are awaiting your actual review, here is what another heavyweight of the manosphere Vox Day, has to say about it…



"With the publication of Men on Strike, Dr. Helen Smith fires an important shot in the ongoing cultural war for the soul, and indeed, the survival, of Western Civilization. It is a shot she fires in defense of the defenders, in defense of the barricades, in defense of the gates, against the lawless barbarians marching under the banner of the Female Imperative.

If the horror stories and red pill realities she chronicles will not be unfamiliar to those who are regular readers of the androsphere, they are nevertheless particularly effective when presented, largely dispassionately, one after another in succession. Dr. Helen does an competent job of drawing clear links between a legal regime biased towards women and the fearful behavior of men who no longer see sufficient incentive to perform the roles that society has long expected and required of them.

Men on Strike is particularly effective when pointing out the shameless hypocrisy of feminist activism, and how the voices that are quick to appeal to equality when it benefits women are completely silent when it is the male sex that is getting the short side of the stick. And it raises what is arguably the most important question of all: how can a society which actively disincentivizes men to marry, father children, and produce the economic surplus required to support women and children expect to survive, let alone thrive?

Dr. Helen begins the book with considering the question of why men are increasingly reluctant to marry, as evidenced by both national statistics and personal anecdotes. She continues with a presentation of the hypocrisy of the present legal approach to children and parenting, then moves on to the recent inversion of the male/female ratio of college attendance. After considering the way marriage has changed in recent decades, she then explains why these changes matter, and devotes the final chapter to considering whether men are best advised to continue simply opting out of society or attempting to fight back.

While much of the evidence is anecdotal, it must be noted that the anecdotal evidence is largely presented in an explanatory sense and is primarily used to support the statistical evidence. As such, it is much more valid than anecdotal evidence cited in support of hypothetical trends.

Possibly the best thing about Men on Strike is that at no point does Dr. Helen attempt to speak for men or tell men what they should do. She is quite clearly cognizant of the fact that she is speaking out in support of men, she is attempting to encourage them to speak out themselves rather than to speak for them.

Unlike other books that purport to be concerned about the societal degradation of men, Dr. Helen's book is not driven by the Female Imperative. She is aware that the degradation of men is not likely to serve women well in the long run, but she also opposes that legal and social degradation in its own right. In her words: "I propose that men are autonomous beings who are entitled to justice and equality and the pursuit of their own happiness because they are human beings in a supposedly free society."

Dr. Helen's book is both courageous and important because it is written by a woman. It cannot be dismissed as male whining or a parthian shot by the Patriarchy, and it is rhetorically effective because it breaks the Pink Code of Silence and shames those women who, in the name of equality, have pursued an inequality more oppressive and deadly than has been personally experienced by any woman of the West. It will be a valuable resource for anyone, male or female, who cares about the fate of men or the fate of Western civilization.

Text sample: Our society, the media, the government, women, white knights and Uncle Tims have regulated and demanded that any incentives men have for acting like men be taken away and decried masculinity as evil. Now they are seeing the result. Men have been listening to what society has been saying about them for more than forty years; they are perverts, wimps, cowards, assholes, jerks, good-for-nothing, bumbling deadbeats and expendable. Men got the message; now they are acting accordingly. As you sow, so shall you reap.

So now people are surprised when men are heading for the exits? They shouldn’t be surprised. Men have been pushed there for some time. We should actually be surprised that it has taken so long.

The Concordia is just a microcosm of what is happening in our greater society. Men are opting out, bailing out and going on strike in response to the attack on their gender; a society can’t spend more than forty years tearing down almost half of the population and expect them to respond with “give me another” forever. Pretty soon, a lot more men will be taking Captain Schettino’s lead and jumping ship—only it will be on a lot larger scale than a boatload of people. The war on men is suicidal for our society in so many ways, and treating men like the enemy is dangerous, both to men and to the society that needs their positive participation as fathers, husbands, role models and leaders.

NB: In the interest of full disclosure, it should be noted that in the first chapter of the book, Dr. Helen refers to the socio-sexual hierarchy I developed from Roissy's sexual hierarchy".

Post: #35

I've known women like that. They're not usually in the spheres we look in, and they're hard to find. But they're really excellent allies to anyone who cares about men's rights. The most vehement anti-feminist I've ever known was a single mother. People like Roosh and Roissy have put in a hell of alot of work, and are definitely central figures in the manosphere. They deserve credit for a lot of things, and I think the respect they enjoy says a lot for it. But these are excellent allies and to shit on them, even if your points are valid, is really shooting us in the foot.

We NEED mainstream allies if we want a shot in hell at any actual social change. This is what the feminists have, and what we do not. That is WHY we are relegated to the underdog role. She just reached thousands upon thousands of people with one stroke, possibly a million or more, and she's explaining what we've been saying. Does she benefit from it? Yes. So does anyone in this sphere who makes any personal gain from spreading our views. That includes respected figures in this community. And that's not wrong.

If anything both we as a community and people like her have a lot to gain from mutual cooperation. Know her limitations, know what to expect, go into it with both eyes open, but also identify the opportunity. It's no different than business as usual.

Also while I would not bang (way too old and a bit horse faced), she's not bad looking or sounding for her age & position. I think I've only met one cute female doctor in my entire life.

Post: #36

A video promoting her book:

Post: #37

(06-13-2013 01:21 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  I mostly agree with you, Matt, but I do think Sunshine Mary is a better blogger than you think. She, along with Redpillwifey, are the only female-run manosphere blogs I read regularly.

Although, I do agree with your sentiment about the fanboys of Smith. Her blog is alright, but she really isn't a trailblazer of any stripe. She is very derivative - but you are right guys follow her blog just because she is a female with pro-male sentiments. I remember Sophia's blog - she got all that traffic because she was a woman. It wasn't any surprise she eventually posted pictures of herself and got tons of dudes complimenting her looks. She shut the blog down shortly thereafter.

It is sad that better manosphere blogs don't get more play, but also consider Smith's husband is Glenn Reynolds, so she probably gets a good bit of traffic from that connection.

In the end, most guys are simps. No matter much we bang on utilizing game, most guys just will stay being clit-licking simps heaping mindless amounts of approval onto women.

I don't really see the problem though, I understand her popularity. There are plenty of guys rehashing the same issues, sometimes it is interesting to get a perspective from the other sex on the issue. I don't think they are simps at all. Like most people, they are attracted to a novelty. It is like a Jew speaking out against zionism, or a black against affirmative action, it is a novelty and though valid points may be made respectively by non-blacks and non-jews, they don't have that novelty attraction.

Post: #38

(06-13-2013 01:04 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  Forney nailed it.

Why read a woman's red pill blog?

When did women become original thinkers?

Reading a woman's blog = having mommy issues and needing a woman to validate you by saying, "It's OK, dear. You should feel the way you feel."

No thanks!

I dunno, I think there is honestly a difference between being anti-feminist, and being anti-woman. You can most certainly be male or female and be red pill and anti-feminist. I honestly feel there are MRAs that aren't red pill and honestly want the same things feminists want, egalitarianism and androgynous gender roles. There are MGTOWs that aren't as much about self determination as they are about hating women. I feel like hardcore MGTOW and MRA overlap and become anti-woman to the point of trending towards homosexuality(see Jack Donovan).

Post: #39

Jeez. This whole attempt at accusing those who support a woman who supports our cause of having "mommy issues" strongly reeks of the tactics often seen used by feminists.

Enough with the "shaming," Guys. Don't be so elitist. Women who not only "get it" but are willing to back it up are exactly what this society needs. Not all it needs, to be sure, but they're certainly a key piece of the puzzle.

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Rudyard Kipling

Post: #40

Let's hope tht this book becomes a worldwide bestseller

As reviews in amazon underline:

Political correctness is the enemy of truth, and you won't find any PC mumbo-jumbo in these pages. The chapters provide thorough analysis of the obstacles that men face in society. Specifically, "The Marriage Strike," "My Body, My Choice Your Body No Choice," "The College Strike--Where the Boys Aren't," "Why Does Dad Stay in the Basement," "Why it Matters" and "Fighting Back, Going Galt or Both?" The latter is Chapter 6 which will particularly appeal to those who are suffering from the culture's pervasive misandry. It showcases ways in which you can take steps to help yourself. This book outlines problems and also offers solutions.

Post: #41

"Women who support our cause". Lolz.

   

Post: #42

I may have to get the book. Dalrock had a post up recently about it. I liked his point about the "Strike" terminology. It's not like we have a man's union and we're collectively bargaining. Going Galt is probably a better term.

But still, I've heard good things about the book and I'm starting to think I should read it.

Post: #43

The book looks very promising and I'm going to read it. After reviewing some of the videos and other materials posted in here about this book, it seems this book could have been totally complete had it mentioned the fact that women in NA suck big time, have forgotten what it means to be a woman, don't take care of themselves, can't cook and are no good at all other than just pump and dump and spending money. Another key aspect that was missed was the fact that overseas, the quality of women is far superior to those found within the shores of NA. Fit, svelte, feminine, sweet, traditional, humble, yet beautiful and sexy and why the reason more and more guys are boycotting the local women in favor of the foreign ones. And an ever increasing % of men, are moving out and expating all together to other parts of world.

I haven't read the book yet, so not sure if that is mentioned in her book. Can those who have read the book shed any lights on this as to whether she mentions anything about the local talent being no good, while overseas, it's top notch?

Post: #44

I'd be interested if it's in there too. Even if I get the book now, it's inline behind a few other I need to read, like "Day Bang" and "Trolling For A Living".

Post: #45

I agree with most of you with the exception of "Girl Writes What" she is a legitimately good writer, and I've yet to hear anything from her that I disagree with. Check out her videos on YouTube.

Post: #46

I haven't bothered to check her blog yet, but she had an interview on Gnostic Media that impressed me a lot. http://www.gnosticmedia.com/karen-of-gir...llacy-146/ .

Post: #47

(07-06-2013 06:05 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  The book looks very promising and I'm going to read it. After reviewing some of the videos and other materials posted in here about this book, it seems this book could have been totally complete had it mentioned the fact that women in NA suck big time, have forgotten what it means to be a woman, don't take care of themselves, can't cook and are no good at all other than just pump and dump and spending money. Another key aspect that was missed was the fact that overseas, the quality of women is far superior to those found within the shores of NA. Fit, svelte, feminine, sweet, traditional, humble, yet beautiful and sexy and why the reason more and more guys are boycotting the local women in favor of the foreign ones. And an ever increasing % of men, are moving out and expating all together to other parts of world.

I haven't read the book yet, so not sure if that is mentioned in her book. Can those who have read the book shed any lights on this as to whether she mentions anything about the local talent being no good, while overseas, it's top notch?

Pai Mei's utterance @ 2:03.