Post: #1

Probably pissed he's on a lower division team so had to find ways to vent his frustration.

"Judging by his recent actions, Jose Jimenez of Argentinean lower league side Belle Vista is probably not a PETA member.
During a match in the Tucumán Province against San Juan, a playful stray dog entered the field of play. Jimenez decided the best course of action was to pick it up by its neck and attempt to hurl it over a metal fence, in the same angry fashion as one might throw a bag of burning trash bag into Piers Morgan's back yard.
The dog hit the fence and bounced back onto the field — apparently unharmed — but the shocking behavior was met with a torrent of abuse from the San Juan fans and a deserved red card."

Post: #2

It seemed like a good idea at the time right?

Post: #3

Am I fucked up, or was that funny?

Post: #4

Stray dogs are like rats in south america. That said he should have at least snapped its neck before he tried to hurl it over the fence.

Post: #5

That seems really heartless, although I wouldn't say it was intentionally cruel. Maybe he was angry made a poor choice in grabbing the animal by the neck instead of under its stomach/front paws, but I don't think it was his intention to hurt it by the throw, just remove it from the field.

Post: #6

(06-11-2013 10:05 PM)Clash1e Wrote:  Stray dogs are like rats in south america. That said he should have at least snapped its neck before he tried to hurl it over the fence.

I hope for you that you will never bump into Mickey, he could snap yours.

Mickey Rourke to build massive animal shelter in Romania.

Post: #7

The reactions to this video make it clear that we live in a society where people show more concern for their pets than for their fellow man. An example I read on a reddit thread in reaction to this incident:

Quote:"there's something about seeing a helpless or trusting animal hurt that flicks a switch in a lot of people. i've always been aware of the fact my dad used to watch me play rugby and has seen me punched many times, but the only time he's ever lost it is when a guy tried to kick our dog."

This is a common story. People are putting the pets before their own children. I hear countless stories every day about innocent people getting caught up in innercity violence (disproportionately minorities), or about others who have been abused and maimed. I see depictions of horrific violence against humanity on tv and movie screens all the time, often for no good reason other than to show gore.

While the respect for animal rights has grown, our respect for human life seems to have dimmed. People in this society lose their mind when a dog is even slightly mistreated (again, witness the fact that this dog was unharmed), but have no problem heading over to a movie theater to watch depictions of innocent people getting massacred in uselessly violent ways and have nothing to say about real life incidents that involve the harming of innocent people and occur almost daily. You can kill a thousand humans in film/media and get little reaction, but if you harm a dog everyone gets emotional.

In becoming so sensitive to the plight of other creatures, humans (particularly western europeans and their descendants) have become desensitized to the suffering of our fellow man. I don't think that this is a good thing for those who hope that, one day, men can be better to one another.

Post: #8

The guy is a moron. What did he expect, to be applauded? He was taking out his frustration on a dog who didn't see it coming either.

Any stick he's getting is quite deserved imo. Doesn't matter if it's a dog, cat or rabbit. You just don't pick living stuff like that and hurl it somewhere without making sure there's someone there to catch it.

Post: #9

(06-12-2013 05:02 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  The reactions to this video make it clear that we live in a society where people show more concern for their pets than for their fellow man. An example I read on a reddit thread in reaction to this incident:

Quote:"there's something about seeing a helpless or trusting animal hurt that flicks a switch in a lot of people. i've always been aware of the fact my dad used to watch me play rugby and has seen me punched many times, but the only time he's ever lost it is when a guy tried to kick our dog."

This is a common story. People are putting the pets before their own children. I hear countless stories every day about innocent people getting caught up in innercity violence (disproportionately minorities), or about others who have been abused and maimed. I see depictions of horrific violence against humanity on tv and movie screens all the time, often for no good reason other than to show gore.

While the respect for animal rights has grown, our respect for human life seems to have dimmed. People in this society lose their mind when a dog is even slightly mistreated (again, witness the fact that this dog was unharmed), but have no problem heading over to a movie theater to watch depictions of innocent people getting massacred in uselessly violent ways and have nothing to say about real life incidents that involve the harming of innocent people and occur almost daily. You can kill a thousand humans in film/media and get little reaction, but if you harm a dog everyone gets emotional.

In becoming so sensitive to the plight of other creatures, humans (particularly western europeans and their descendants) have become desensitized to the suffering of our fellow man. I don't think that this is a good thing for those who hope that, one day, men can be better to one another.

I don't think being empathetic toward animals has made anyone care any less about fellow humans. I think seeing shitbag humans in the media every day desensitizes us. Animals don't know any better, humans do.

People rightfully hate someone who will mistreat an innocent animal. That dog's body language even appears friendly and trusting before the guy picked it up by the throat and slung it. That'd be like watching someone punch a kid in the face because it annoyed him.

The animal didn't know it was interrupting a game or doing anything wrong. Doing something like that shows a supreme weakness of character.

Post: #10

It was a bad thing to do, but not necessarily an evil thing. It's possible he just didn't think things through 'cos he's a dumb ass.

Post: #11

People get pretty emotional about dogs. A buddy of mine beat the hell out of some guy for kicking his own dog, putting the guy in the hospital, breaking the shit out of his hand, and landing himself in jail. I mean, he was a pretty unstable dude and I think the tried to intervene and then attacked when the guy mouthed off, but I think people are pretty emotionally affected when they see the abuse of a dog.

I agree with the above poster that part of it is the fact that we don't like seeing innocent creatures victimized. I mean, how much of a prick do you have to be to bully creatures as loving as dogs. I also agree that the guy in the match was not intentionally hurting the creature though - either way, he made a big mistake acting so callous in public. I think he should have considered his actions a little more and may have acted hastily without regard to the dog's safety because he was trying to impress.

On a relevant note, looks like thieves that are nabbing people's dogs and selling them for food in Vietnam are getting beat to death in some cases. http://www.thanhniennews.com/index/pages...ttack.aspx

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Post: #12

(06-12-2013 05:02 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  The reactions to this video make it clear that we live in a society where people show more concern for their pets than for their fellow man. An example I read on a reddit thread in reaction to this incident:

Quote:"there's something about seeing a helpless or trusting animal hurt that flicks a switch in a lot of people. i've always been aware of the fact my dad used to watch me play rugby and has seen me punched many times, but the only time he's ever lost it is when a guy tried to kick our dog."

This is a common story. People are putting the pets before their own children. I hear countless stories every day about innocent people getting caught up in innercity violence (disproportionately minorities), or about others who have been abused and maimed. I see depictions of horrific violence against humanity on tv and movie screens all the time, often for no good reason other than to show gore.

While the respect for animal rights has grown, our respect for human life seems to have dimmed. People in this society lose their mind when a dog is even slightly mistreated (again, witness the fact that this dog was unharmed), but have no problem heading over to a movie theater to watch depictions of innocent people getting massacred in uselessly violent ways and have nothing to say about real life incidents that involve the harming of innocent people and occur almost daily. You can kill a thousand humans in film/media and get little reaction, but if you harm a dog everyone gets emotional.

In becoming so sensitive to the plight of other creatures, humans (particularly western europeans and their descendants) have become desensitized to the suffering of our fellow man. I don't think that this is a good thing for those who hope that, one day, men can be better to one another.

This reminds me of that Gordon Gekko line in Wall Street: "That's the thing with WASPS - they like animals but they can't stand people'. This is a WASP phenomenon that has spread throughout the West; excessive love of animals, animal rights and whatnot are purely a Western thing.

About a decade ago here in NYC there was a burning building where a cat escaped a fire and went back in the building seven times to help save her seven kittens. This shit was front page news in every paper. The next day the newspapers had thousands of letters from people asking where could they adopt these cats. Meanwhile, how many abandoned kids do we have in this city? The hypocrisy is just utterly insane. Just wanted to point out this Western hypocrisy. For the record though, the guy in the video is an asshole of course.

Post: #13

(06-12-2013 07:20 AM)Eirykr Wrote:  I don't think being empathetic toward animals has made anyone care any less about fellow humans. I think seeing shitbag humans in the media every day desensitizes us. Animals don't know any better, humans do.

I can go on national geographic anytime and see some shitbag animals with no compassion for their peers and zero capacity for empathy. I can see crocodiles eating their young, lions massacring cubs in hostile takeovers, and a host of other brutal things. Nature is very harsh, much harsher than many seem willing to acknowledge.

You say here that the sight of "shitbag humans" has desensitized us, but are the humans whose wanton destruction/assault we're showing no empathy for (all of the dead in the media/video games, the victims of real life assault, etc) really "shitbag humans"? Why have we become desensitized to their suffering?

Look at CLOCKWORK TRADER's post:

(06-12-2013 09:18 AM)A CLOCKWORK TRADER Wrote:  About a decade ago here in NYC there was a burning building where a cat escaped a fire and went back in the building seven times to help save her seven kittens. This shit was front page news in every paper. The next day the newspapers had thousands of letters from people asking where could they adopt these cats. Meanwhile, how many abandoned kids do we have in this city? The hypocrisy is just utterly insane. Just wanted to point out this Western hypocrisy. For the record though, the guy in the video is an asshole of course.

Are those abandoned kids "shitbag humans"? Why is there less empathy for them than there is for a bunch of felines?

Furthermore, doesn't the fact that humans, unlike animals, have the capacity to know better warrant their receiving slightly more consideration?

Quote:People rightfully hate someone who will mistreat an innocent animal. That dog's body language even appears friendly and trusting before the guy picked it up by the throat and slung it. That'd be like watching someone punch a kid in the face because it annoyed him.

How on earth is the mistreatment of a dog equivalent to the mistreatment of a child?

This is what I'm talking about. I just can't imagine any world in which the treatment of an animal is held in equivalence to the treatment of a human child, yet for many members of this culture animal welfare is worth as much if not more than that of their fellow man.

It just doesn't add up, and I don't see how society can expect good things going forward when so many of its citizens consider their fellow man to be worth less than the dog down the street.

Post: #14

The cat has a wkipedia page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlett_(cat)

Post: #15

(06-12-2013 09:18 AM)A CLOCKWORK TRADER Wrote:  This reminds me of that Gordon Gekko line in Wall Street: "That's the thing with WASPS - they like animals but they can't stand people'. This is a WASP phenomenon that has spread throughout the West; excessive love of animals, animal rights and whatnot are purely a Western thing.

About a decade ago here in NYC there was a burning building where a cat escaped a fire and went back in the building seven times to help save her seven kittens. This shit was front page news in every paper. The next day the newspapers had thousands of letters from people asking where could they adopt these cats. Meanwhile, how many abandoned kids do we have in this city? The hypocrisy is just utterly insane. Just wanted to point out this Western hypocrisy. For the record though, the guy in the video is an asshole of course.

Not really, Hindus and Jains (but really, mainly Jains) have shown incredible compassion towards animals far longer than animal rights became big in the West.

But here's the thing though, I fucking hate it when people get outraged when dogs and cats are harmed, but eat meat at the same time. 'Caring' for certain animals while eating others is just silly. It's interesting to see people would be outraged if someone sold an actual hot dog (with dog meat), yet have no problem eating pig meat, even though pigs are shown to quite intelligent.

That being said, yeah I do agree it's sad that we care about a cat and its kitten, but not about the tons of abandoned human kids. I don't think caring for animals and humans is mutually exclusive, but it is disheartening to see some people care more about animals than humans

Post: #16

I honestly think they shouldn't behead those western people in Afghanistan to send out messages. Instead they should behead dogs kidnapped from military base. I am pretty sure that will make a lot of people vote for another war.

Post: #17

(06-12-2013 04:00 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  It just doesn't add up, and I don't see how society can expect good things going forward when so many of its citizens consider their fellow man to be worth less than the dog down the street.

You have no more of a right to exist as any other animal. Maybe if people would think in those terms we can start expecting good things going forward.

I think you're blowing things way out of proportion.

Post: #18

(06-12-2013 09:08 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  People get pretty emotional about dogs. A buddy of mine beat the hell out of some guy for kicking his own dog, putting the guy in the hospital, breaking the shit out of his hand, and landing himself in jail. I mean, he was a pretty unstable dude and I think the tried to intervene and then attacked when the guy mouthed off, but I think people are pretty emotionally affected when they see the abuse of a dog.

I agree with the above poster that part of it is the fact that we don't like seeing innocent creatures victimized. I mean, how much of a prick do you have to be to bully creatures as loving as dogs. I also agree that the guy in the match was not intentionally hurting the creature though - either way, he made a big mistake acting so callous in public. I think he should have considered his actions a little more and may have acted hastily without regard to the dog's safety because he was trying to impress.

On a relevant note, looks like thieves that are nabbing people's dogs and selling them for food in Vietnam are getting beat to death in some cases. http://www.thanhniennews.com/index/pages...ttack.aspx

Yes but dogs aren't entirely "innocent victims". If they'd simply mind their own business, unlike the one in the vid, there would be no problem.

What other type of animal runs in front of your car while you're driving, attacks you while you're jogging, or barks savagely from a parking lot car window as frequently as a dog would? Not saying they're bad creatures, they can be quite sociable as we all know, but I wouldn't say 100% innocent.

Dogs are nature's attention whores

Post: #19

The guy is clearly a fucking retard, completely unnecessary. And LOL at people bringing points like "Crocodiles eating their offspring".

Post: #20

(06-12-2013 04:24 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  You have no more of a right to exist as any other animal.

That doesn't mean that other animals command the same respect and/or treatment from man that a fellow man does. Not in my book, anyway.

Quote:Maybe if people would think in those terms we can start expecting good things going forward.

When people show the same kind of concern for the abandoned child that they do for the abandoned puppies we can start expecting good things going forward.

Quote:I think you're blowing things way out of proportion.

I can't agree. I think this animal worship and talk of "animal rights" is out of proportion and entirely too widespread. It annoys me.

(06-12-2013 05:07 PM)FretDancer Wrote:  The guy is clearly a fucking retard, completely unnecessary. And LOL at people bringing points like "Crocodiles eating their offspring".

Post: #21

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Post: #22

(06-12-2013 11:35 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  That doesn't mean that other animals command the same respect and/or treatment from man that a fellow man does. Not in my book, anyway.

I agree, but you're also overreacting to the bourgeois Western over-sensitivity regarding animal welfare.

You're right that many people in the West, which including Argentina means white folks, have a distorted interest in pets like dogs. Actually, if we scrutinize the issue, we'll find that most such people tolerate the euthanization of stray dogs when it's out of sight and out of mind.

However, because people like the audience here have a disproportionate interest in this stray dog's welfare doesn't justify your blase attitude.

Actually, by taking the diametric opposite point of view you're still being manipulated by the public consensus. You're just placing a minus sign where they put a plus.

Looking at it dispassionately, treating a dog this way is still inhumane. Dogs aren't human beings but nor are they inanimate objects. In fact, they are closer to humans than to inanimate things. So, this player was crude and inhumane in how he treated this stray dog. This doesn't justify the Argentine public's response but it also doesn't legitimize disregarding animal welfare entirely.

Post: #23

We have that kind of people by the millions in South America. The most hated man in Argentina is not him, however. It's Mauricio Macri.

Post: #24

(06-12-2013 11:49 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  Looking at it dispassionately, treating a dog this way is still inhumane. Dogs aren't human beings but nor are they inanimate objects. In fact, they are closer to humans than to inanimate things. So, this player was crude and inhumane in how he treated this stray dog. This doesn't justify the Argentine public's response but it also doesn't legitimize disregarding animal welfare entirely.

Fair enough. For the record, I would not have done what the player did to the dog, and I speak having been in such a situation before (competing in a sport, dog in the way, etc). I'm not an animal lover, but I'm not an abuser either. This guy did go too far. That being said, the western world's distorted interest in certain animals annoys me and probably always will. This guy went too far, but so has the public in its reaction.

I'll just leave it at that.

Post: #25

First off, I will preface that you can tell much about somebody by how they treat animals. However, all he did was toss the dog by its throat. Was tossing it a problem? - because I pick my cats up toss those whiny bastards outside, although I would never do it by the throat - always by picking them up by the stomach/underside. I guess the issue was the throat & hitting the fence, but after the dog bounced back & it didn't even miss a beat! The dog sure wasn't choking otherwise the dog wouldn't be able to run like that.

That being said, the current approaches to animal cruelty in American & Western law criminal law are ridiculous. Some dude left his house on vacation and found he had warrants for his arrest - some squirrel got stuck in a trap for animals and died. Neighbors took pics - horrified - and he got arrested on felonies - maybe it was misdemeanors.

Most strident animal rights activists are city-dwellers. Went to law school with one of these fools - never so much had set foot in the country. She all sorts of delusions of violent, country patriarchy, abuse of animals and hyper-religious Christians. I always told her that her views of the country were wrong-headed - think she listened?

I told her I grew up in the country and have hunted deer myself. She was horrified - and the this bitch still ate meat! Of course, she was that pretentious douche who needed to know where her meat came from - unless she was drunk and she would mow anything with no care.

Now that I think about, I am sure one could break down the animal rights movement from a red-pill perspective.

Regardless, people should get angrier at child abuse than animal abuse. However, this isn't animal abuse. It was a dumb idea for him to engage in it and I'm sure the dog wasn't happy about it - but so what? The dog appears healthy and will be no worse for the wear. It's not like he was tossing a new-born puppy. Animals have psychological development cycles like humans and this was a grown dog.