Post: #26

(08-04-2010 11:12 PM)ulysses28 Wrote:  @K-man: I think your suggestion flies in the face of the concept of "game", doesn't it. Isn't the point of game is to display enough alpha-ness to get the girl to fuck through means other than large displays of wealth... works with American girls at least.

I did not mean displays of wealth, but rather to provide activities that girls consider "fun" because as the saying goes, girls like to have fun. Just happens that where I live, gilrs that are really hot consider "fun" things like the ones I listed. Partying with your roomies is not most girls' dream night.
Maybe her idea of fun is watching sharks and Star Wars. Although I noticed you still chose the dinner/bar venue for the second date. Hope you get the notch.

Post: #27

(08-07-2010 12:01 PM)ulysses28 Wrote:  so i disregarded some wise advice just to see what would happen.

me: you and me. dinner tomorrow at chino. pick you up at 8.
her: sounds good.
me: wear heels. what's your address.
her: 123 xzy street. why do i have to wear heels?
me: haha, because I like girls that wear heels. wear whatever you want.

I think the non-sequitur text loosened her up. I should have cut out the "haha". This girl does not respond to nice. I also thought about not saying "wear whatever you want", but I want to see what she chooses. if she wears heels i'll know she wants me to like her. if she doesn't, that's a huge IOD.

I think I'm still coming from a position of weakness taking her out to dinner. Time to step it up. I have plans to bounce with her after dinner to a bar/club where my friends can provide some social proof.

Nice! See how that shit works?

But I agree, the first part that I bolded was very sloppy. In truth, the "wear heels" shtick is superfluous and cumbersome. Unless you really are going to a place that requires heels. Here's the thing, now you need to dress to match her level of dress. Otherwise, you come off strange.

Yeah, you lost the frame again by telling her to "wear what she wanted", and answering that you wanted her to wear heels because you liked them (should have said "just wear them" instead of directly answering the question).

Also, your still overthinking your game after she already responded the way you wanted.

Dude, "coming from a position of weakness"? Give me a break. Do you have enough game to where she is offering to take you out to dinner? No.
So you need to take her out. Its not weakness. If she didn't want to go with you, she wouldn't go. She wants to be fucked by you. Your now in a position to fuck her. Count down the dates. Your now one date closer, as long as you lose the over-thinking every little aspect of your game, and quit trying to ask her permission to do everything that you want to do. Lead her, but lose the PUA scripts ("wear heels"). They are holding you back, and will undoubtedly put you into positions that you aren't ready to respond to as well as make it seem like your thinking too hard. Just have fun and lead.

You've also got to be kidding me with the last line that I bolded. She's going out with you. She likes you. Her wearing heels, and you putting so much emphasis on that as being an indication of anything, is holding you back. If she does or doesn't. Who cares!? Swoop her anyway. Don't even flinch on the heels, but complement her if she wears them, because she did it for you and wants to be noticed.

But, again, you putting a self imposed box around yourself, and your ability to get laid, with the heels thing and how much you care about what she thinks at all.

Picking up and gaming women should be fun. Over-analyzing everything, beyond a certain level of competency (leading and having fun) not only makes it less fun, but makes it less likely that you will be successful. You will seem stilted and "try hard". Women respond to cool, carefree, sexuality, and leadership.

Post: #28

To be honest, I'll be very surprised if you hit it. She's gonna get some free food out of you and then bounce. Dinner dates should only be for females you have banged. Is not the end of the world, there are millions of hot girls who turn 18 every year.

Post: #29

Thanks Gents, all the different opinions on this thread are awesome.

Here's the summary and conclusion to this tale:

I roll up to her house, call her and tell her I'm here. she takes about 4 minutes to come out. She's got on a mid-thigh high dress, and black heels. Just looking smoking hot and it fits perfectly with her slim 5'7 frame and long blond hair. Though Hydrogonian is right that I shouldn't give a shit what she wears, I take it as an small IOI that she wore heels. I say nice shoes with smirk, and she smiles.

She's a little more open this time, but still hard as fuck to talk to. We eat dinner, talk, blah blah blah, we talk about what we're going to do on future dates. Then I say that we're going to celebrate someone's birthday tonight at a country bar, and that she's coming. no more beta questions. she shrugs her shoulders, and mumbles ok, but she smiles when she does it. We walk back to the car where I say "kiss" and she acts coy for a second, but then we kiss and go to pre-party at my place. This time, I don't sit and babysit her, I do my thing, joking around having a good time, being obnoxious and making sure she's ingesting a healthy number of drinks. We're having a good time, she's laughing, we're all just joking around and enjoying ourselves. Then we bounce to the country bar.

Throughout the night, but particularly at the country bar, she's still not initiating physical affection/contact. I have to put in 100% of the physical affection, conversation, and initiative for everything, and it is sapping my energy and enjoyment. She responds to the physical advances every time, for example if i kiss her she kisses back, but she doesn't follow me when I move, she never grabs me, she never initiates a kiss or anything. I have to do all the work. We dance a lot, but at the end of the night I start to get tired of this schtick, particularly when I see 8+'s all around me and remember how girls like this are a dime a dozen. I am willing to put in a fair amount of effort into a girl, but at this point the cost/benefit ratio begins to tip, and it's not in her favor. I start to ignore her, and do my own thing but that doesn't make her engage either. bar closes and we go back to my place, everyone else goes to sleep and i make one last effort. I say "let's go upstairs and sleep, but you're not getting in my pants, because i was raised proper and don't put out until we've been on three dates". she laughs, but hesitates for a second. i'm just absolutely not attracted to her at all at this point, and I say to myself "fuck it". So I say to her "if you want to go home i'll drive you", she says "ok", i say "ok what", she says, "drive me home". so i drive her home. I have absolutely no intention of kissing her goodnight or seeing her again. I make no effort at conversation during the ride home, she says a couple things, but not much. I just want this to be over and go to sleep.

We get outside her house and I say "I had a good time tonight, see you later" and she just fucking sits there awkwardly facing ahead and looking at her knees. i'm thinking "are you fucking kidding me"? like seriously, what the fuck is wrong with this girl. she's just sitting there waiting for me to kiss her. A good 10 seconds pass, and it starts to get uncomfortably awkward just sitting there as I wait for her to get out, so i finally just lean over and we kiss for a bit, and she finally gets out. i delete her number as the car door closes. What a worthless waste of a hot girl.

She is the first hot girl whose lack of affection and lack of personality have made her incredibly unattractive to me. I'm also willing to conclude that I failed to build enough attraction to break her out of her cocoon, if that was even possible. As Hydrogonian said, gaming should be fun. This stopped being fun.

Post: #30

I'm not contributing anything right now, but hydro's posts have been amazing lately.

Post: #31

(08-08-2010 01:11 PM)ulysses28 Wrote:  What a worthless waste of a hot girl.

That one was really overplayed, but live and learn. I read about 10 different ways you blew it.

That whole story sounded pretty heartless. Try being a little nicer to girls and you'll get laid.

Aloha!

Post: #32

This girls seemed to say ok to everything you asked for:
- you tell her "tmw night 8pm dinner" she says ok
- she wore high heels when u asked her to do.
- she kisses you when you said "kiss".
=> Lack of personality.

You should have told "ok now we go in my room and i'm gonna f*ck you", she would have agreed ! not tell her you're a good guy


No seriously this girl is weird

Post: #33

(08-09-2010 12:59 AM)wi30 Wrote:  im not contributing anything right now, but hydro's posts have been amazing lately

thanks. I want my brothers to get what they want.

(08-09-2010 06:15 AM)Kona Wrote:  That one was really overplayed, but live and learn. I read about 10 different ways you blew it.

That whole story sounded pretty heartless. Try being a little nicer to girls and you'll get laid.

Aloha!

I couldn't agree more. I actually started to respond, in detail, to his approach, but it was too much to tackle at this point.

Keep at it guy. Practice makes perfect. You made some good adjustments in your mid-game, but ultimately lost sight of the goal. Your now one step closer to being better with the next girl. Just try not to get angry or bitter if she isn't responding to you appropriately. It sounds like this one was just a bit socially stunted, but she still wanted to be laid.

Post: #34

LOL!

Shark Week = She's on her period

Post: #35

@ Josea: No, it was actually shark week, and though I know that's slang for "i'm on my period", that's not what she meant.

@ Kona: Overplayed in the sense that should have just plowed and banged her? Or overplayed in the sense that I did the wrong things? It sounded heartless because this girl was heartless. I left out a lot of things that I learned about her over the course of the night that showed her to be a pretty rotten human being. I'm nice to girls when they respond well to being nice. This girl did not.

@Hydrogonian: I did lose sight of the goal, and I have no doubt that there were flaws in my approach to this second date. Caring too much about various signals she gave off, or what she thought, may have been the most prominent mistake, but I've been trained (as have many who learned PUA principles) to read signals from a girl and tailor my further interactions with her according to those signals. Thus, I'm used to girls being physically affectionate and giving positive signals once I have created attraction and comfort, and from those signals I know it's time to escalate. That method has never failed me before this case.

Despite the traditional PUA focus on reading signals, I agree that one should not let a girl's reactions to you affect your emotional energy, that the primary strategy should be to "have fun and lead", and that your energy and confidence should increase with every shit test or IOD she throws at you. I tried to keep that up for most of the night, but she just would not break, and the traditional indicators of disinterest continued to be rampant all night long: no initiation of physical contact/never touched me, when we danced I had to pull her hands up around my shoulders, and after a few minutes they would fall back down, when I held her hand her hand it felt dead, would not try to get close to me, she did not lean into me when she was tired, but instead would lean the other way, she never asked me one question about myself, when I'd try to lock on eye contact she'd look away, and she was actually giving more recognizable IOIs to my roommate, who was there with his girlfriend, than I was receiving.

Towards the end of the night I didn't have enough energy or willingness to put up with the bullshit any longer, so I disengaged, though I didn't do or say anything that would demonstrate bitterness or anger towards her. I just stopped giving her attention and focused on my friends and having fun. Her actions over the course of the night indicated to me that she was not interested, and the bottom line is that that I failed to spark enough attraction to break through.

Post: #36

Sounds to me like she really wanted to like you.

Post: #37

(08-10-2010 12:41 AM)ulysses28 Wrote:  overplayed in the sense that I did the wrong things? It sounded heartless because this girl was heartless. I left out a lot of things that I learned about her over the course of the night that showed her to be a pretty rotten human being.

You had way to much negativity in your game the whole way through.

Telling her to dress up and then taking her to a country bar was rude and very obviously anti-sex on a lot of levels. You say she's a rotten person, but I have a feeling the negativity is running so strong that if we were talking about mother teresa you'd be saying she was rotten. `

I gave a waitress my number over the weekend and she called me yesterday. She's 23, but a white girl with similar specs to the girl you're talking about. She works until 12. I'm going to head over to her bar right now and swoop her.

I'm dedicating this one to you, brah. I can tell you how I do it tomorrow if you want me to. So far though, one big difference I see in our games is my texts and phone calls are a lot different than yours. Some of those texts include the semi-naked camera phone pictures she's sent me. Thats just way more positive than a star wars quiz.

Sorry you didn't bang your girl after all that work, but big Mahalos for the inspiration!

Aloha!

Post: #38

(08-08-2010 01:11 PM)ulysses28 Wrote:  We get outside her house and I say "I had a good time tonight, see you later" and she just fucking sits there awkwardly facing ahead and looking at her knees. i'm thinking "are you fucking kidding me"? like seriously, what the fuck is wrong with this girl. she's just sitting there waiting for me to kiss her. A good 10 seconds pass, and it starts to get uncomfortably awkward just sitting there as I wait for her to get out, so i finally just lean over and we kiss for a bit, and she finally gets out. i delete her number as the car door closes. What a worthless waste of a hot girl.

Sounds like she still was waiting for you to take the lead and initiate the sex she wanted. Now it's understandable if you don't want her at that point, but why would you bother to kiss her for a bit? If her behavior was so bad earlier you didn't want to sleep with her anymore, why reward her? If she was just sitting there you could have got out of your car, walked around and opened her door. Then you look like a class act, AND the message would be loud and clear that she's dismissed. In any case every experience leads you closer to success. I always learn more from the relationships that crash and burn than are smooth sailing.

Post: #39

Hey Kona,
Tell us about it...
Let's hear how it should go down

Post: #40

I didn't read the whole thread, but it seems like you had an akward game plan for the night:

Dinner to your crib to country bar to your crib.

If you are going that route, I would just go lite dinner with heavy drinks (ie sushi spot you have on lock) then back to crib for the kill.

I think you could have made some better transitions. Or try this one next time:

Cocktails (at a restaurant you have locked down) to another restaurant (eat lite and at bar with mad wine/cocktails) to lounge bar by your crib or if the iron is hot, back to your crib.

I have been meaning to write on this subject for a while.

Post: #41

(08-10-2010 12:41 AM)ulysses28 Wrote:  but I've been trained (as have many who learned PUA principles) to read signals from a girl and tailor my further interactions with her according to those signals.

Except for signals that say "Stop!" this is completely wrong, imo. Sure, yes, you can feed off of good signals to be more liberal with where and how you take the interaction. However, the flip-side is false. You reacting to any negativity is going to assure that you get laid maybe 50% of the time, or less, than you otherwise could. Girls give off negative/neutral vibes for a variety of reasons. Shit tests (passing which is an important part of attraction), had a bad day, bad at being social, chipped a nail, and who gives a shit.

There is always someone reacting to the other person in an interaction. If you are reacting to her, you are in the submissive beta role and following. She is leading you, and leading the interaction. Leadership isnt just about "we're going to xyz restaurant". Its about leading the emotional state of the interaction. If she is reacting to you, then she is following and you are leading. Half of leading is ignoring her attempts at leading. If you do this, she will not be able to lead and control the emotional state (vibe) of the interaction. Girls love when men insist on leading the interaction. Its what they want, and what they look for. Next time, ignore any and all negativity, and lead the interaction where you want it to go like the negativity doesn't even exist. She will follow, and the negativity will disappear once she realizes that you arent reacting to it and she is no longer able to control the interaction with negativity.

Most girls will assume that guys will react to them, and so you will most often have to prove that you are not one of those guys. That is often what a lot of bad behavior (shit tests) are all about. They are testing you to see if you are a true alpha or a reactive beta. Whichever side you fall on will be a huge component of whether she is attracted to you or not. To get it right, read "The Way of the Superior Man" by David Deida. If you are learning that you are supposed to react to her from any PUA's, then stop reading the material of those PUA's right now. They don't know what the fuck they are talking about.

(08-10-2010 12:41 AM)ulysses28 Wrote:  Despite the traditional PUA focus on reading signals, I agree that one should not let a girl's reactions to you affect your emotional energy, that the primary strategy should be to "have fun and lead", and that your energy and confidence should increase with every shit test or IOD she throws at you. I tried to keep that up for most of the night, but she just would not break, and the traditional indicators of disinterest continued to be rampant all night long: no initiation of physical contact/never touched me, when we danced I had to pull her hands up around my shoulders, and after a few minutes they would fall back down, when I held her hand her hand it felt dead, would not try to get close to me, she did not lean into me when she was tired, but instead would lean the other way, she never asked me one question about myself, when I'd try to lock on eye contact she'd look away, and she was actually giving more recognizable IOIs to my roommate, who was there with his girlfriend, than I was receiving.

So, what specifically were you doing to build that attraction, and warrant that she acted attracted to you?

Post: #42

@Feomuerto: Really? How so? Also, it's funny that in your similar situation the girl was giving your friend IOIs, and that's exactly what happened to me too, haha...

@ Kona: Nah, trust me. I'm not going to repeat the things she said, but this girl was not a good person, which honestly doesn't matter to me when I consider whether I'd bang a girl, but it didn't help. She was dressed appropriately for the country bar (it wasn't like a real country bar), changed out of her heels later, and seemed to be having a good time even if she wasn't into me. I don't think I was giving off negative vibes until the end of the night, but I'll try to be more conscious of that.

Your text game in the other thread is tight. Mahalos for the example!

@ The Killer: Dude, that would have been a excellent way to display that I was not interested in her anymore. Unfortunately it was 4am, I was tired, and couldn't think of anything better to do than to just kiss her so that she'd leave.

@Gmanifesto: Yeah, the logistics were a little odd, I didn't really have it planned out. I wasn't even expecting her to come with us to the bar, but your suggestion sounds spot on, and I'll keep it in mind for my date this friday with a different girl.

@ Hydrogonian:
1. Good point about the beta reacting vs. emotional leading, this was definitely a factor. But when I was getting all those IODs, "Stop!" was precisely the message I was getting. I tried to ignore the negativity/passivity and plow through the IODs, shit tests, cold-fishness, and just keep staying positive, fun, and kept escalating (pulling her to the dance floor, pulling her ass into my croch, pushing her against the wall and making out with her, no matter how many IODs I got etc), but nothing got her to reciprocate, and it just wore me down and felt like I was banging my head against a brick wall after a while.

2. As for building attraction, I think this was the biggest problem of my application of game to this girl. The methods I used were the traditional ones, and ones that I have used in every other success I've had. But here I failed. First, I at least tried to be carefree and relaxed, and I genuinely felt carefree and relaxed for most of the night. I also employed Cocky/funny, DHV spiking stories, made her laugh a lot, ambition and status (subtle), preselection, negs (subtle), i had my friends DHVing for me as well, as well as push/pull (which never worked), and qualification.

This was the strangest girl I've ever encountered. Based on your advice/analysis, there are a lot of takeaways from this case, but the biggest is that I need to strengthen my "don't give a shit, just be carefree, have fun, and lead" attitude, and not let a girl's responses to me affect my mood at all.

Post: #43

Post script, and a 180 degree turn around:

4 Days after I delete her number, I decide she's too hot not to give another go. I find a text she sent me still in my phone that has her number.

Me: come watch j shore
her: mmmm, you can come watch it with me...
me: i'll be there at 9

Her friend watches with us, I act the perfect gentleman with the friend and win her over... yadda yadda yadda.... by 1am, we're in her car in a mall parking lot, her ass is in my face and I'm finger banging her and slapping her ass with abandon. I didn't have time to fuck, but I'm certain she would have right there.

I can barely believe that this situation turned around. This (and the forthcoming bang) could not have happened without all your advice, and special thanks to Hydrogonian for being spot on about everything. Turns out her bitch shield/shit test/aloof frame was in fact breakable. It just took longer than any rational person would anticipate. Maintaining the alpha frame no matter what, non-sequitur game, cutting down the text fluff, and radio silence were the keys to turning this around.

The shit tests continue, however, as they always do with young American girls. This happened on Thurs, we had a bit of text exchange on Friday, and I'm going to try to bang her tonight.

Post: #44

Your the man... nice job sticking with it. You've got the right attitude. If you want an available woman, then there is no viable excuse, other than failure on your part, if you don't get her. Nothing that she can say or do makes a lick of difference as far as why you don't get laid in any given situation.

Now, you know what to do from here, right? Its very important that you don't go and treat her to any large dates at this point (expensive dinners, trips, etc), unless you have verbally wrapped it up that you will be getting sex the next time that you see her. (try to get into phone sex with her to do this -if you get her talking about her pussy on the phone, you will hit it next time you see her).

Small dates are fine. Drinks, etc..anything that will get you two in bed at the end of a cheap evening.

Your now have her in "sex" mode with you. There isn't a need to revert to giving her things for sex. Just go and set up another meeting, even another TV date, lead her into the bedroom. The more you get her to eagerly talk about sex with you, the easier it will be.

Post: #45

I just can't get along with this girl. Sorry.

Post: #46

I fucked it up.

Had her over on last Saturday, she claimed she didn't remember what happened on Thursday because she was too drunk, but remembered odd details when I quizzed her. Who knows. We went back to my place and cuddled (it was still a struggle to get her to touch me) while watching tv. she was out drinking all night the night before, and insinuated that she slept at a guy friend's house that night, and didn't remember what happened (just like the night before with me). i didn't take the bait and plowed. we made out for a bit and she was tired and fell asleep in my arms on the couch while we watched a movie. she woke up and I did everything I could short of dragging her by her hair to get her to my room, but she would not budge. I took her home and did not kiss her goodnight.

Next day she texts: "sorry i was lame last night" (first text initiation ever)
me: yeah you were. lucky for you i'm a nice guy and you can make it up to me. too cold for boating today.
her: lies. i'm on the boat right now.

the Next day she initiates another text:
her: I passed my class!
me: lets celebrate.
her: I already did. I got a pedicure.
me: cute. but that doesn't count because I wasn't there.
me: late night HH tomorrow.
her: not sure if i can do tmrw. i think i'm going boating.
me, no response

Her Initiating the next day (yesterday): "i'm not going boating if you want to get drinks"
me: defintely, I'll pick you up at 10
her: i need to be up at 6am though.
me: yeah me too don't worry.

We go out last night, and she's looking smoking hot, heels and white short shorts that hug her perfect ass and show off her toned legs. she's a 9 that night. People are staring because she's looking that good. I try to build deep rapport and doesn't work, I try to turn the conversation sexual and it doesn't work. despite letting me finger bang her a couple days prior, she still doesn't initiate any physical contact. I keep the conversation going, but it's getting too hard at this point to keep it going without any help from her, and the conversation lags. I slap her ass on the way out. I have to get up at 6am, and so does she. I don't escalate. (FATAL ERROR).

We get to her house and she pecks me on the lips. I know that's not a good sign.

next day (today) she texts: Hi Christopher, I don't think we should see each other anymore
me: I couldn't agree more, [name]. Best of luck.

My conclusion is that I made a fatal error when I didn't just get her shit faced and fuck her last night. That's what she wanted. When I didn't Her female hindbrain concluded "he's a BETA" and dismissed me faster than I could recover.

Post: #47

Thats why you always try to escalate as fast as you can. You are working on a clock. A girl who rejects you once is much more likely to call you when shes in the mood down the road, then the chick who will contact you back if you didnt escalate enough.

Before i got into the game, i always had the mind set that i am proud so i wont buy a girl drinks and dont want to get her drunk, until i realized that girls want to get drunk and fuck, so they can clear themselves the next day, in their own heads.

Post: #48

You'll get it dude. This was some good practice. What stuck me the most is that your constantly using any and all contact by her to try and set up dates and times to get together. Also, you are too ready to be available to her when she does indicate some free time. As far as attraction is concerned, this is wrong most of the time.

Once the attraction starts, you don't have to worry about turning everything into a situation. She isnt going anywhere. your not on a schedule. Its better to take your time setting the correct frame, than to try and bully your way into her pants by making yourself too available and trying to get together with her as much as possible. You'll get a lot more out of the relationship if you play it cooler. Remember, girls only want cool/non-needy guys.

Here's a big secret of game: Women only like men with other women as options and a life outside of her. You have to indicate this through your behavior. if she doesn't perceive this, your results will be very low. I don't mean throw it in her face that your going out on other dates. I dont mean never be available. Thats not recommended. But just be less eager. Women pick up on subtle behavioral cues. Then, when you do get together, be direct to make up for the coolness that you had before the date. This cool/hot dynamic works.

You've got to make it so that she feels comfortable interacting with you without having to worry about the fact that your always going to try and turn it into a situation. Because you do this, and care about the result (as far as she can tell), you are the pursuer. Anything and everything that goes on between you two is colored by this fact. You will get more resistance, more weird behavior, and more flakiness, and less contact when you are driving to the hoop this hard.

You have to create attraction without pressure. You have to be fun, create sexual attraction, and be non-needy/non-reactive at the same time.

Now, guys can be the obvious pursuer to great effect. But this is like two levels above where your at now. It wont work the way you are handling it. You need to get down "non-needy game" first.

Yes, you are driving to the hoop. We all are. But its about setting up the right "feel" in the interaction. She shouldn't feel pressured. everything should be fun and non-chalant with no expectations, implied or otherwise. if she feels any pressure, disappointment, or guilt from you your doing something wrong.

Dating women is about seduction. Seduction is about emotional leading and psychological triggers. No force of will will make this happen. In getting women to behave how you desire, they have to think that they are making the choice to date and get physical with you. Even though you are leading them there with what you know about their psychology.

As an example, you should never be obviously trying to get her to touch you. In the history of girls, that has never worked. If she's not voluntarly doing it, then:

1. you can use reverse psychology and let her think that you don't want her to touch you. Depending on how the situation seems, you can make it a joke or for real. If she really doesnt want to touch you, then you can tell her that she can't touch you, but it cannot be an obvious reverse psychology ploy. With some of these psychotic bitches, you have to play childish psychology games for real.

2. Alternatively, you can just not care that she isn't touching you. This is what I would do. Just keep the interaction going in an non-needy cool way. Stop trying to initiate touch until you raise her "buying temperature"(pua lingo..meh) a bit. Eventually, the sex will come. Not touching you could be a shit test, tests which this girl seems to thoroughly enjoy using. The correct response to this shit test is to not care.

Depending on the situation and her, the slap on the ass could have also been a fatal error. Thats a risky move, at this point in the game. You didn't have a carte blanche physical relationship with her yet. Remember, most women don't want to be made to feel like sluts outside of the bedroom (unless they have a submissive fetish). You didn't have this relationship with her yet. If she feels disrespected, she will regain that respect by shunning you.

You shouldn't have quizzed her about the night you got in her pants. Why? Who cares? Its in the past. I guarantee you she remembers. They always do. What a quiz does is:

1. Shows that little bit of physicality was a big deal to you (therefore, your access to women and sex is limited.)
2. Makes her have to acknowledge that she did something slutty (shame - a girls kryptonite)
3. Makes her have to alter the reality of the situation to cover up that shame (she doesnt remember).
4. She has to now act consistently with not engaging in shameful acts when she is sober. Therefore, you get none.

Despite your being eager, she still wanted to see you because girls love sex. She was getting mixed signals with your intermittent alpha behavior and incongruent needy/emotional behavior. It doesn't take much game to get most girls. The fact that you were even doing a little bit right is what caused this girl to stick with it. You just needed to be cooler about it.

Again, good job with how you stuck with it and got some stank on yourself. the next one will be better.

Post: #49

I don't understand why you didn't bang her while fooling around in the car. Actually, I do understand, and it may be the same mistake I've made many times in my youth, and that is when I thought I had sealed the deal, I would get less eager to, as you said, plow. I would just say, oh what the hell, I'll fuck her tomorrow/next date. What a mistake.
Now I know better and for years have not missed a situation where I could have stuck it in - if I could, I did.
To add to Hydro's valuable psych-oriented advice, let me address the physical part - if the situation allows (e.g. you are fooling around in private, she is drunk, etc.) ALWAYS take your cock out, put it in her hand, try to get her to play with it, and try to stick it in just a bit. All resistance disappears once the tip is in.