Post: #4726

It's kinda amazing really what women will put up with when they get in the mood.

Last week I was starting to come down with a pretty heavy cold but I had a date planned so I thought eh whatever, I can wing it, I'll just charm her a little and get the 1st date out of the way so we can get things done on the consecutive dates. I warned her if she wanted to reschedule but she said she was good. So we meet up, grab drinks, chat around but I underestimated my well-being: was coughing up phlegm from my lungs with that really deep wet cough every couple of minutes. She didn't mind. After an hour tell her let's take a walk cause the bar was near my place. As we walk by my street.... well I had ALL intention to just call it quits for that night because I wanted to recuperate but I thought it was almost my duty to ask her if she wants to come over for a wine, and she agrees.

This was the first time though that I was kinda gladly but also dreading her coming over. So we drink the wine, my headache is throbbing from the alcohol and the cold headache, I feel hot from fever, my nose is congested, I keep coughing around more and more but she seemed unfazed. Tried to kiss her, she declined but boy oh boy the heavy breathing and clawing at my back when I was breathing at her neck. She was oh so willing but constantly stopping herself. I thought fuck it I'll be out of commission for a week with that flu, if I don't kiss her tonight things will fizzle out (at that point I had 100% no intention of going for the bang, even if she had offered it up). The resistance to getting kiss was kinda funny as she was moaning, squirming and clawing at my back when I kissed her neck but at a certain point she just thought "fuck it" and pounced/climbed on me. Well, the kiss happened and a little pretaste of what was to come later on.

We smoked, she drilled me with interviewing questions about Tinder, how many chicks, why I'm single and blah blah the typical hamstery stuff. Was kinda funny because I was already falling asleep dead tired from my sickness and could barely answer or make coherent thoughts.

Bottom line: she got sick from me too. Women are weird man, if my date was in front of me in the condition that I was in.... not sure if I would bang. I'd push myself away in that condition but not her it seems

Post: #4727

Kaotic, another stellar writeup! Thank you for breaking this down as I know it helps me with my game. I just have to ask since I wasn't there, why didn't you try to bounce her to her place using the first date bang formula? Your execution of classic date game appeared flawless however I'm extremely jaded to thinking I will ever get a second date with a woman. In my experience second dates only happen if I bang her well on the first and even then the odds are only 50/50 with me often times passing on seconds due to how the sex was, her attitude after the bang, etc.

I can't count the amount of times I had dates go exactly like yours, the chemistry was hot, the makeouts were intense, the girl texting me that night saying how much she wants to see me again and then the next day or a few days later......cold.

Post: #4728

(03-04-2015 04:06 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  Kaotic, another stellar writeup! Thank you for breaking this down as I know it helps me with my game. I just have to ask since I wasn't there, why didn't you try to bounce her to her place using the first date bang formula? Your execution of classic date game appeared flawless however I'm extremely jaded to thinking I will ever get a second date with a woman. In my experience second dates only happen if I bang her well on the first and even then the odds are only 50/50 with me often times passing on seconds due to how the sex was, her attitude after the bang, etc.

I can't count the amount of times I had dates go exactly like yours, the chemistry was hot, the makeouts were intense, the girl texting me that night saying how much she wants to see me again and then the next day or a few days later......cold.

I totally agree. The number of first dates I've had that went well, chemistry, escalation, make out, etc but then never made it to a second date I think is around 50%.
Even when I've had text conversations with them after the first date which have been really positive, if I can't set up a second date within a week or 2 of the first, they drop off.

Post: #4729

I used coffee dates for nearly a whole year with good success:
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First time posting on this thread:
Went out a few night ago and picked up a super Christian girl. Brought her home and banged her silly with no LTR. Came inside (I think), was very drunk. Had a lot of drama with her not wanting to get the morning after pill (against her beliefs). Had to use some persuasive magic to get her to go to the doc. All good now.

Has kind of been a shock to see how easy you can be blindsided with having a kid. I will be wrapping it up more often in Northern America after this.

Post: #4730

The white knight gods were against me tonight I think.

Went on a date with a fit, cute black girl from SA. Met for drinks. She was a little nervous at first but warmed up during drinking and with my conversation. Lots of kino and flirting.

It was a hotel bar. After our drinks I suggested we grab a room with a view to the city and have a drink upstairs. She said whatever I wanted.

The hotel was sold out. A convention.

I called two other nearby hotels and they were sold out too. I didn't want to take her to my place because of anonymity and quite honestly, I haven't cleaned in a week.

I didn't want to book one ahead of time in case she was unattractive in person.

Also, a big cold front was coming through town dumping rain and cold winds through town.

I told her I'd plan something next week and have a room ready. She said she looks forward to it.

I'll text her in a few days with plans. This would be my first 'black flag'

Post: #4731

I really do believe you can tell a lot about a person based on whether they're a dog person or cat person.

If a chick is a cat person, it's usually like pulling teeth trying to generate interest and getting them to see me. They're always aloof and can take me or leave me.

Dog women (for me) have been warmer and easier to connect with. And they genuinely seem more excited to meet up.

There are exceptions to the rule but I would say 7 or 8 times out of 10, if a girl is a cat person, I'm not getting anything going.

Post: #4732

(03-04-2015 09:27 PM)Roardog Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 04:06 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  Kaotic, another stellar writeup! Thank you for breaking this down as I know it helps me with my game. I just have to ask since I wasn't there, why didn't you try to bounce her to her place using the first date bang formula? Your execution of classic date game appeared flawless however I'm extremely jaded to thinking I will ever get a second date with a woman. In my experience second dates only happen if I bang her well on the first and even then the odds are only 50/50 with me often times passing on seconds due to how the sex was, her attitude after the bang, etc.

I can't count the amount of times I had dates go exactly like yours, the chemistry was hot, the makeouts were intense, the girl texting me that night saying how much she wants to see me again and then the next day or a few days later......cold.

I totally agree. The number of first dates I've had that went well, chemistry, escalation, make out, etc but then never made it to a second date I think is around 50%.
Even when I've had text conversations with them after the first date which have been really positive, if I can't set up a second date within a week or 2 of the first, they drop off.

Same boat with all of you. Can anyone mind explaining to me how the fuck this always happen? It used to be you go on a few dates with a girl until something happens. Now even with game and even with a fuckawesome first date there's no guarantee you will see her again.

Sure you can say that she's got other options, but those other options she has, how many dates does she go on with them? How many of them would be as interesting as yours, given the fact we're game-aware.

Getting laid is one thing, but if even we can't get second dates consistently I can't imagine how it would be for most blue pill guys.

Post: #4733

(03-05-2015 08:41 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 09:27 PM)Roardog Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 04:06 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  Kaotic, another stellar writeup! Thank you for breaking this down as I know it helps me with my game. I just have to ask since I wasn't there, why didn't you try to bounce her to her place using the first date bang formula? Your execution of classic date game appeared flawless however I'm extremely jaded to thinking I will ever get a second date with a woman. In my experience second dates only happen if I bang her well on the first and even then the odds are only 50/50 with me often times passing on seconds due to how the sex was, her attitude after the bang, etc.

I can't count the amount of times I had dates go exactly like yours, the chemistry was hot, the makeouts were intense, the girl texting me that night saying how much she wants to see me again and then the next day or a few days later......cold.

I totally agree. The number of first dates I've had that went well, chemistry, escalation, make out, etc but then never made it to a second date I think is around 50%.
Even when I've had text conversations with them after the first date which have been really positive, if I can't set up a second date within a week or 2 of the first, they drop off.

Same boat with all of you. Can anyone mind explaining to me how the fuck this always happen? It used to be you go on a few dates with a girl until something happens. Now even with game and even with a fuckawesome first date there's no guarantee you will see her again.

Sure you can say that she's got other options, but those other options she has, how many dates does she go on with them? How many of them would be as interesting as yours, given the fact we're game-aware.

Getting laid is one thing, but if even we can't get second dates consistently I can't imagine how it would be for most blue pill guys.

I think a lot of blue pill guys can easily get second dates because they drop $$$ for dinner and drinks, taxi, etc. That doesn't mean they get anything out of it.

Post: #4734

(03-04-2015 04:01 PM)redbeard Wrote:  OK checks out.

I can't remember the last time I got coffee with a girl. Maybe it's because I'm usually hustling during the day.

Your post reminds me of #7 -

http://www.goodlookingloser.com/entry/ge...rs-edition

I'm finally seeing a girl that's not just a fuck buddy, and I definitely feel less pressure to get laid considering I've got good pussy on the back burner.

This actually describes me pretty well (not to toot my own horn), because I do have feelings/emotions for my main girl and she's a smoke show, girls always tell me how pretty she is. Even this dude whose a local playboy/alpha (bangs 8 and 9's on the regulrar), texted me later in the night saying "if you're banging that girl, congratulations" - the fact he went out of his way and texted me that, made me feel really damn good about myself.

(03-04-2015 04:03 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 12:44 PM)redbeard Wrote:  @kaotic

Bruh. Why are you doing coffee dates ? I didn't know people were still doing that.

I actually have pretty good luck with coffee dates. If it's a woman that I'm getting a clear DTF vibe from before we meet I will setup a coffee date very close to my apartment. After maybe a half hour if I'm feeling the chemistry I'll suggest we run over to my place to look at photos and "have a real drink". From there I'm balls deep within about 20 minutes of us coming back to my place. This very scenario happened to me twice in the past two weeks (see my posts in the I just had sex thread).

Coffee dates can be the next best thing to having a woman come directly to your place. It provides great plausible deniability for them, costs us almost nothing and it lets a woman get a quick feel for us and satisfy the "is he a serial killer" fear many have with going to someone's place sight unseen.

I didn't get clear DTF signs, more like signs of nervousness, like I said didn't want to scare the cat, besides I had time to kill.

(03-04-2015 04:06 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  Kaotic, another stellar writeup! Thank you for breaking this down as I know it helps me with my game. I just have to ask since I wasn't there, why didn't you try to bounce her to her place using the first date bang formula? Your execution of classic date game appeared flawless however I'm extremely jaded to thinking I will ever get a second date with a woman. In my experience second dates only happen if I bang her well on the first and even then the odds are only 50/50 with me often times passing on seconds due to how the sex was, her attitude after the bang, etc.

I can't count the amount of times I had dates go exactly like yours, the chemistry was hot, the makeouts were intense, the girl texting me that night saying how much she wants to see me again and then the next day or a few days later......cold.

We were both 30 minutes away from, traffic was a nightmare going my way, I knew from the get go there was no way she was coming over. She dropped the "don't want to end up on the 6'oclock news" she also dropped "guys on tinder just asked me over and that was lame"

I dropped hints about going to a plaza with a pretty cool fountain, or go bowling, she straight said "yeah I'm not sure about that" to which I said "because you think you'll end up on the 6 o'clock news" -smirk- then she laughed.

Most my coffee dates have went well actually I'd say I have a 75% success rated, reason being, I DON'T do coffee dates OFTEN.

Actually I enjoy them because it helps get rid of any anxieties I have, sharpens my sober game, it also helps me read girls alot better that are sober and in a quiet environment. You learn ALOT about yourself.

These texts from her show alot of IOI, I don't think i'll have any problems closing her.

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Post: #4735

(03-04-2015 06:58 AM)Roardog Wrote:  Just got back from a date with a Mauritian girl. My logistics are crap right now so couldn't go for the first date bang but already got date 2 half lined up back at her place to watch a game. Established a bucket load of DHV's (good job, lots of travel, etc) so should be able to convert that to a bang.

I went for the kiss in the bar and got the head turn and again when I went for it at her car but I persisted there and she gave in. She resisted the make out which I didn't push (should have though) but I'm not too fussed as I think it's just shyness.

If nothing comes of the second date I'll next her as while I'd like the flag she isn't pretty enough to bother with the effort of the long game.

Looking good with this girl. She text me the next morning telling me she had a good time and that the drinks are on her next time (I bought her final drink at the bar we were at because the bar tender screwed up and it ended up on my tab). Now have a second date set up for next Thursday.
Have organised it near her place and will try and bounce back to hers for the bang as my logistics are still screwed.

Post: #4736

I'm in Columbus Ohio for the weekend. Anybody know any good bars 2 pull ass? Not lookin 4 a club tho

Post: #4737

Just finished my first date with the girl I posted about a couple pages earlier. It went ... fairly well, I'd say, but I didn't get the bang.

I was running the Question Game at the second venue, but it didn't escalate smoothly, but more in fits and starts backs and forth. I'd try alternating between sexualizing and comfort, and she'd answer fine but knock it back to something like "favourite colour" or "favourite movie" soon afterwards. The one crack I managed to get was by asking her if her girlfriends had forced her to watch Fifty Shades of Grey yet - that managed to get me the admission that she was into light BDSM and sometimes likes guys who were dominant in bed.

Tried seeding the pull back to her place, but she said she had class the next morning, and was adamant about not bringing me back to her room (she lives in a university dorm) Said she does want to see me again, but we'll see how long that holds. I did get a bit of a makeout at the end though, so I haven't gone backwards yet. I think I'll try to get her out next Friday for a nightclub date and try to pull the trigger then.

Until then, rest of tonight's going as usual for Thursday night (student's night here in Kingston.) Plus the Toronto meetup tomorrow. Looking forward to that.

HSLD

Post: #4738

This literally just happened.

Was in the subway ride to school minding my own business when two beautiful tourists-looking girls hop on the train. I was like "Damn I would hit that". They chit chat a bit then the cuter one look at me, eye fuck me and start giggling with her friend. Her friend said: "She loves your eyes" and I swear to God I didn't properly washed my face this morning, woke up late.

I was fucking caught dead and frozen like a little bitch. I even looked away for a second.

Started making conversation with them but they speak very little english or french. They are from Romania, the cuter one speaks only spanish and italian. Now I understand why everyone loves the FSU.

Couldn't really get anything going with the language barrier and then being in the subway doesn't help. They had to get off eventually.

What would you do in such situation? How ironic I can do approaches generally well, and here I am getting opened and frozen up like a retarded.

Oh, signing up for Spanish classes is next on my list.

Post: #4739

Get #.

Have fun teasing them and talking to them, trying to figure out what the other one means (sounds like you did that a little).

When the verbal doesn't work, KINO man. That's how girls form bonds.

(Note to self, post coming on girls kino-ing each other to form bonds. Watch high school chics, they touch each other like crazy just hanging out.)

Post: #4740

(03-05-2015 08:41 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  ...we can't get second dates consistently

Can anyone mind explaining to me how the fuck this always happens?

Sometimes, the girl just doesn't want to see you again. (Even after kissing you on the first date) (she was drunk, she was experimenting, she was bored, etc.)

But, sometimes, guys are too impatient.

The first date goes well, so, guys think that sex is coming soon.

Guys push for a 2nd date, maybe the girl is not available or she is busy or she has to work or she is on her period, etc.

They struggle to set the 2nd date. The guy gets frustrated because things are not moving as quickly as he wanted.

Then, the guy gives up.

This is often a mistake.

If we would just be a little more patient and less eager, often times, the girl will eventually find time for a 2nd date.

Guys are expecting girls to move at the pace of a man. (fast)

But, girls sometimes want to move a little slower. Sometimes, they just have other stuff to do.

(Remember that the 2nd date is a much bigger commitment than the first date.)

Instead of giving up and "nexting" girls, I recommend having a little more patience.

Don't contact her for a week, don't be pushy, don't be needy, don't try to convince her, etc.

Pull back and give her some space.

Constantly pushing for a date is "thirsty"-- And, "thirty" is unattractive.

Don't always ask for a date. Just casually tell her what you are up to and maybe she will try to invite herself.

Use social media, "snapchat", picture messages, etc. to display the fun stuff that you do.

Instead of always inviting her, entice her to invite herself.

Don't always make it a 1 on 1 thing. Tell her you and your friends are going somewhere and she can come with her friends.

Basically, what I'm saying is.. Don't be so eager and pushy to set the 2nd date, if she flakes, don't sweat it, give her some time, try again next week, you should be working on other girls anyways.

(03-06-2015 08:25 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  being in the subway doesn't help.

I like the subway.

There are plenty of things to talk about, especially, if they are tourists, they have many questions.

The subway was not the problem.

The problem was that you were out in public and you were not ready to game.

Every time you leave you house, you should be prepared to socialize.

(03-06-2015 08:25 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  What would you do in such situation?

Ask them where they are from, then, ask for their numbers, of course.

Or, insta-date.

Those are the only options.

Anything less than this is not trying hard enough.

Post: #4741

(03-01-2015 04:53 AM)DarianFrey Wrote:  Just got home from a zero date bang. I had a really good time and she as well. Slept at hers. How do you guys play it when you want repeat business?

When we parted ways I went honest: "I had a good time with you *girl's name*."
"I had a good time as well!"
"Would you like to meet again?"
"Not impossible at all."

I do not have much experience of this yet, all my Tinder bangs have been ONS. But this girl was really cool and good in bed. Should I let her get in touch first?

Nice work, you played this perfectly! Sounds like you were laid back and cool about the one night stand, and that she also had fun. That's a great position to be in.

Chances are she won't contact you, but that's no problem as you can hit her up again yourself. I usually wait 7-10 days after the first bang, then hit her up and setup a second encounter, aiming to have the second bang be around 14 days after the first.

This is a good way to make sure you're playing it cool, and also so that she knows you're not looking to get into a long term relationship with her. If she's down, she'll have no problem meeting up 2 weeks later to bang again.

Rinse and repeat!

Post: #4742

Cosign with Gio with being pushy.

You can't be, like Gio said it makes you look thirsty as hell.

Unless she's literally saying she wants to see you again soon (like in my screen grab) play things cool, calm, and casual.

You're got to accept the fact that some girls just don't want to see you again, even if you "hug closed them", kissed them, fucked them, hell even ATM'ed them.

Sometimes we get caught up in the moment after the first date we don't realize there's still work to be done and we need to maintain frame.

Post: #4743

haha ahh fuck!

Sometimes being a player can land you in funny situations.

The 20 year old girl I wrote about a few pages back, the one who will barely make out after 3 dates, and the one who I am catching feelings for….

Well…I discovered on instagram today that she is *best friends* with a 19 year old girl I slept with a few months ago, and the 20 year old's sister is ROOMMATES with the 19 year old. The three of them have tons of pictures together all over social media.

This wouldn't be a huge deal, but I recently decided I wanted to see the 19 year old again, and so we were sexting pics back and forth last week.

I was a little drunk and texted the 19 year old a picture of me fucking one of my new girls. Even though the 19 year old is pretty slutty, she really didn't like the pic I sent her and freaked out a little bit.

Now that I know the 19 year old and 20 year old are best friends, I am really wishing I hadn't been trying to rebang the 19 year old.

If the 20 year old finds out, I'm thinking it will scare her away. There's a chance it will make her jealous and make her more attracted to me, but it's playing with fire at that point and I'm not trying to mess with anyone's feelings here. There's also a chance the 19 year old already told the 20 year old that she slept with me, in which case I'm sitting pretty.

Either way, I guess I'll push forward as usual. I'm pretty positive I've banged girls in the past that were best friends but had never told each other about me. It probably happens more often than we think. But of course girls always talk, so it's only a matter of time before it comes to light.

Any words of wisdom here?

Post: #4744

Do I smell a threesome ?^^^^

You don't owe any of them an explanation.

Honestly this sounds like something you could use to your advantage IF it does come up.

Post: #4745

I got some time off over the next few months and want to go back and brush up on the basics. I feel my game is quite tight (9 girls so far this year, first threesome) right now but it can't hurt to do a bit of revision. What resources do you guys recommend?

I have the blueprint, beyond words (love systems), some Krauser books I bought, LaidNYC blog posts and the classic Heartiste posts. Probably enough but I would be interested to see what guys on here got value out of...

Post: #4746

(03-06-2015 05:54 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  I got some time off over the next few months and want to go back and brush up on the basics. I feel my game is quite tight (9 girls so far this year, first threesome) right now but it can't hurt to do a bit of revision. What resources do you guys recommend?

Check out "The Art of Seduction" by Robert Greene. It's a great baseline for human psychology when it comes to love and sex. I'm about 3/4 of the way through right now and have had a lot of "aha! so that's why that game tactic works" moments.

I also just read "The Game" for the first time last month and, all mystery method jokes aside, I found it to provide a lot of insight into my own game and many of the lessons I'm learning now that those guys learned a decade ago.

Post: #4747

(03-06-2015 05:54 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  I got some time off over the next few months and want to go back and brush up on the basics. I feel my game is quite tight (9 girls so far this year, first threesome) right now but it can't hurt to do a bit of revision. What resources do you guys recommend?

I have the blueprint, beyond words (love systems), some Krauser books I bought, LaidNYC blog posts and the classic Heartiste posts. Probably enough but I would be interested to see what guys on here got value out of...

SoSuave used to be my go-to game guide back in the days; in fact, I'm surprised it's still running. If you're looking for concise game tips, then check that site out. Rollo is a frequent poster on their forum if that helps.

Post: #4748

Quote:(Remember that the 2nd date is a much bigger commitment than the first date.)

Gio can you explain this a bit more? Why would the 2nd date be more commitment-heavy? What about girls who go on third date and still don't let things happen?

(03-06-2015 02:26 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  The subway was not the problem.

The problem was that you were out in public and you were not ready to game.

Every time you leave you house, you should be prepared to socialize.

Ask them where they are from, then, ask for their numbers, of course.

Or, insta-date.

Those are the only options.

Anything less than this is not trying hard enough.

Gio cutting through bullshit:



You got it right, the subway, the language barrier, they were all excuses. I think the deep problem is that my inner game is still not solid. It's possible that unconciously I still don't believe hot girls would find me attractive, and that if I want a girl to like me, I have to put on my game. When that hot tourist girl more or less said she found me attractive I was caught with my pants down.

This is probably why my game has been bottlenecked despite me knowing all the basics.

For what it's worth, I did try to talk to them, ask what they are doing and even told them I'm going dancing tonight with friends, but there was a lot of miscommunication. I didn't try getting the number because I thought it would be useless. Still I could have done much better if I wasn't caught unprepared.

Post: #4749

(03-06-2015 02:26 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  But, girls sometimes want to move a little slower. Sometimes, they just have other stuff to do.

(Remember that the 2nd date is a much bigger commitment than the first date.)

Wow, Gio never runs out of great insight. I have had quite a few first and second dates by now this never dawned on me.

This is a huge lightbulb for me.

Post: #4750

(03-06-2015 07:50 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  I think the deep problem is that my inner game is still not solid. It's possible that unconciously I still don't believe hot girls would find me attractive, and that if I want a girl to like me, I have to put on my game. When that hot tourist girl more or less said she found me attractive I was caught with my pants down.

I think the practical solution to this which I am implementing myself is just do not allow yourself to hit on ok looking girls ever. Spend all your energy on hitting on girls you think are hot so it starts to become normal.