Post: #4701

(02-27-2015 06:23 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Inner game is self confidence isn't it ? Isn't about character building as well ?

These guys - I noticed what seem are MGTOW's and MRA's are open to Roosh's views and want him to have his own platform.

Just like this site has Manosphere MGTOW sections and Game sections.

Paul Elam on how to run game

"O.K., so you want to get laid? Here’s how you do it. Smell clean, get in the proximity of women, and then ignore them. When they come to fuck you, and they will, shut up and let it happen.

Sorry, but there is little else to it. Women are wired to respond to men who walk with enough self-confidence and involvement in their own lives that they don’t need to invest any energy into bagging girls. They attract women naturally."

http://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-polit...-bullshit/

This is the dumbest John Wayne/James Bond shit i've ever heard.

There are literally millions of men at bars and clubs any given weekend doing just that.

Throughout the world of men, a lot of ideas are shot down because people think
- too much work
- that's too complicated
- that's going to cost me money, time, effort

Making a million dollars, banging a new chick every week, traveling around the world?

Whatever it is, it's not easy. If it was easy, you'd already be doing it.

WIA

Post: #4702

Agree.

The subtlety is in the balance. You have to push/pull rapidly in this situation. If you push hard/toof fast, like WIA said, unless she is dying to bang, some flight triggers will go off in her brain. Thats why it helps to keep her a little confused. Like you have the intent and aggression but aren't dying for it if that makes sense. You do it on your own time, as you feel. In the moment, you naturally tend to become the hunter/chaser but you have to step back and make it a slight challenge. She is already good to go, but you have to let her hamster work for it.

Tough to self-control...IMO some advanced level stuff. But you are putting yourself in the right positions. 95% of dudes dont even get that far.

(03-01-2015 11:33 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  The old school diagnosis is that you spiked her sex drive/buying temperature way too high, there was a break in her "state".

The state break kicks in the Anti-slut-defense, and she has to leave before she does something she'll regret. Basically by being too aggressive, you knocked her out of the mood.

Alternative? Could be that you were too rough with her. She didn't like it, or it reminded her of something not great.

If you change your style from fast to slow, you're going to lose chicks who need "a man of action".

Keep in mind that she could have went to the bathroom to do a line of coke, or to check her phone - and saw that her husband sent her a sweet text, or her friend was wondering where she was.. Or she looked in the mirror and didn't like the chick she was becoming, about to hook up with some random dude.

There really are all sorts of things that can take a girl out of the picture, most of which you can't prepare for, or control when they happen.

WIA

(03-01-2015 03:19 AM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  Grr.

I'm pretty sure I could have pulled tonight if I had been just a bit less aggressive.

I'm at the usual spot here in Kingston and I've managed to isolate this chick from her friends. We hit the dance floor, I get the kiss. We get drinks and go sit upstairs to chat/makeout. I can tell she's into me - biting my lip, clawing at the back of my neck - I haven't gotten laid for the better portion of the month so in my mind, I'm committed to her since she's a definite solid prospect.

This is where I think I fucked up.

We go back to the dancefloor and keep grinding up against each other and making out. I'm drunk and super-horny right now, and probably not really thinking all that well.

I decided to pull her off the dancefloor to a side alcove where you can make out in private - I was reading her as liking guys who were aggressive and dominant, so I pushed her kinda hard (I think) against the wall and we start making out for a bit.

Then she wants to go to the washroom. OK - I walk with her and wait there until she's finished. We go back and hit the dancefloor for a bit - until she wants to go find her friend (who, admittedly, she's with for her friend's birthday party or whatever.) She eventually says she feels guilty about leaving her friend and wants to go find her - and tells me I should go enjoy the rest of my night. I have her number by this point, so I have not much choice but to eject.

We crossed paths a couple times more before the night ended. First time she smiled and we chatted for a few seconds - second she either didn't notice me or didn't acknowledge me.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid and she really felt guilty about leaving her friend. I don't know. But I'd be kinda pissed if I fucked up and it ends up going nowhere - she was pretty cute and really into me, I know. I've had a few people say that I come off as overly aggressive with girls when I'm gaming them - and I can now kinda start to see their point. Or not, who knows.

All I can do now is just wait a day and text her Monday. Then we'll see.

HSLD

Post: #4703

(02-20-2015 11:28 PM)Roardog Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 09:29 PM)Roardog Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 11:59 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 06:35 AM)Roardog Wrote:  Went on a date last night with this girl who plays with her hair alot. She's constantly putting it up or letting it down or whatever.
Anyway, she is sitting with her back to a wall where there are some tea candles alight. About half way through our date I notice smoke rising above her head, then I see a flame and then she smells it and freaks out. Bitch set her hair on fire!

That trumps the previously most hilarious thing I've seen on a date which was when this girl tripped in her heels and fell down the flight of stairs into the bar we were meeting at.

Best thing I heard this morning yet ! The good news is she won't ever forget this date for you, the bad new is she might be that horrified/embarrassed that she'll never want to see you again.

It depends on how you reacted and how the date went after the hair incident. I'm thinking you can coax her out for a second date pretty easy with this story.

This happened about half way through our date and I just laughed at her and teased her about it. I think it was a good thing as it didn't do her any real harm but made the date and therefore me memorable.
I don't think it embarrassed her enough to not want to see me again or anything as she stuck around afterwards and gave me plenty of IOI's. We had a decent make out at the end of the date so I'm confident of seeing her again.

Will actually use this incident in my follow up text I think.

Followed up with her Friday arvo (she is studying and uni hasn't gone back yet so texting her during the day is better than at night) with a line about getting the smell of burning hair out of my car. Her response was negative and logical which annoyed me as I thought it was a funny line.
Anyway, I let it go as it was Friday night but negged her about it this afternoon and now have another date set up for next week.

It's always something with this chick. She has rescheduled every date at least once. All her excuses are legit but damn, once is chance, twice is coincidence but third time is enemy activity.
She rescheduled our first date because her back flared up and then it went ahead on the second attempt.
It was then over a month to a our second date (the one in the quoted post above) as it got rescheduled twice, once due to me and once due to her having some kind of family issue.
Now for our 3rd date she already cancelled on me last week due to having a big night the night before and being wrecked. That actually worked out well for me because I'd done the same thing and the early night was welcome. Now she apparently has food poisoning (gave me the heads up on Sunday) and doesn't think she'll be recovered for our date on Tuesday.

Like I said, it all seems legit but it's like the universe is out to stop me banging this chick.
I'm thinking about just nexting her as it's becoming a pain in the arse and I can't be bothered dealing with it but she is really hot.

I want to call her out on her flakiness as it's pissing me off.

Post: #4704

Quote:It's always something with this chick. She has rescheduled every date at least once. All her excuses are legit but damn, once is chance, twice is coincidence but third time is enemy activity.
She rescheduled our first date because her back flared up and then it went ahead on the second attempt.
It was then over a month to a our second date (the one in the quoted post above) as it got rescheduled twice, once due to me and once due to her having some kind of family issue.
Now for our 3rd date she already cancelled on me last week due to having a big night the night before and being wrecked. That actually worked out well for me because I'd done the same thing and the early night was welcome. Now she apparently has food poisoning (gave me the heads up on Sunday) and doesn't think she'll be recovered for our date on Tuesday.

Like I said, it all seems legit but it's like the universe is out to stop me banging this chick.
I'm thinking about just nexting her as it's becoming a pain in the arse and I can't be bothered dealing with it but she is really hot.

I want to call her out on her flakiness as it's pissing me off.

Sounds like patience and a long term playfully persistent approach is going to be
your best strategy.

It works best with those girls who have a high tempo lifestyle and
can't seem to commit to anything if their lives depended on it.

My attitude is, as long as I can reach her and advance the interaction
it doesn't really matter how busy she is at the moment. It's even almost irrelevant.
Eventually she'll make time and go out with you, or she'll say that she's not
interested.

It also gives you more time to build long term attraction rather than short
term attraction.

Either way with a little patience, you can exhaust her of all her excuses
and give her even more solid reasons to go out with you.

Post: #4705

Hung out with a foxy senorita, end of the night she goes to get out of my ride and her lipstick falls in between the seats

Her: 'Oh well, your seats ate my lipstick up'

MDP: (Disbelief) 'Nah. You better get that shit'

Post: #4706

(03-02-2015 08:39 AM)Apollo21 Wrote:  

Quote:It's always something with this chick. She has rescheduled every date at least once. All her excuses are legit but damn, once is chance, twice is coincidence but third time is enemy activity.
She rescheduled our first date because her back flared up and then it went ahead on the second attempt.
It was then over a month to a our second date (the one in the quoted post above) as it got rescheduled twice, once due to me and once due to her having some kind of family issue.
Now for our 3rd date she already cancelled on me last week due to having a big night the night before and being wrecked. That actually worked out well for me because I'd done the same thing and the early night was welcome. Now she apparently has food poisoning (gave me the heads up on Sunday) and doesn't think she'll be recovered for our date on Tuesday.

Like I said, it all seems legit but it's like the universe is out to stop me banging this chick.
I'm thinking about just nexting her as it's becoming a pain in the arse and I can't be bothered dealing with it but she is really hot.

I want to call her out on her flakiness as it's pissing me off.

Sounds like patience and a long term playfully persistent approach is going to be
your best strategy.

It works best with those girls who have a high tempo lifestyle and
can't seem to commit to anything if their lives depended on it.

My attitude is, as long as I can reach her and advance the interaction
it doesn't really matter how busy she is at the moment. It's even almost irrelevant.
Eventually she'll make time and go out with you, or she'll say that she's not
interested.

It also gives you more time to build long term attraction rather than short
term attraction.

Either way with a little patience, you can exhaust her of all her excuses
and give her even more solid reasons to go out with you.

I'm definitely going to have to play the long game with her. It's just frustrating to constantly make plans with her only for them to be changed every time.
She is also really shit over text in that she isn't playful at all. Due to the long time between dates I've tried comfort building with some humour and it has fallen flat each time with her just responding in a logical non-playful way. It's weird as it's not congruent with her in real life where she is warm and funny.
I don't want to get into the boring bullshit of "what did you do today" but when she won't be playful over text I don't really know what else to do to maintain contact. I could keep my texts purely logistical but I'm worried that would cause her to drop off.

Post: #4707

(03-01-2015 03:19 AM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  All I can do now is just wait a day and text her Monday. Then we'll see.

HSLD

Texted her today. She responded. We have a date set for Thursday evening. Woot.

Now I gotta avoid the flake.

HSLD

Post: #4708

(03-02-2015 11:43 PM)Roardog Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 08:39 AM)Apollo21 Wrote:  

Quote:It's always something with this chick. She has rescheduled every date at least once. All her excuses are legit but damn, once is chance, twice is coincidence but third time is enemy activity.
She rescheduled our first date because her back flared up and then it went ahead on the second attempt.
It was then over a month to a our second date (the one in the quoted post above) as it got rescheduled twice, once due to me and once due to her having some kind of family issue.
Now for our 3rd date she already cancelled on me last week due to having a big night the night before and being wrecked. That actually worked out well for me because I'd done the same thing and the early night was welcome. Now she apparently has food poisoning (gave me the heads up on Sunday) and doesn't think she'll be recovered for our date on Tuesday.

Like I said, it all seems legit but it's like the universe is out to stop me banging this chick.
I'm thinking about just nexting her as it's becoming a pain in the arse and I can't be bothered dealing with it but she is really hot.

I want to call her out on her flakiness as it's pissing me off.

Sounds like patience and a long term playfully persistent approach is going to be
your best strategy.

It works best with those girls who have a high tempo lifestyle and
can't seem to commit to anything if their lives depended on it.

My attitude is, as long as I can reach her and advance the interaction
it doesn't really matter how busy she is at the moment. It's even almost irrelevant.
Eventually she'll make time and go out with you, or she'll say that she's not
interested.

It also gives you more time to build long term attraction rather than short
term attraction.

Either way with a little patience, you can exhaust her of all her excuses
and give her even more solid reasons to go out with you.

I'm definitely going to have to play the long game with her. It's just frustrating to constantly make plans with her only for them to be changed every time.
She is also really shit over text in that she isn't playful at all. Due to the long time between dates I've tried comfort building with some humour and it has fallen flat each time with her just responding in a logical non-playful way. It's weird as it's not congruent with her in real life where she is warm and funny.
I don't want to get into the boring bullshit of "what did you do today" but when she won't be playful over text I don't really know what else to do to maintain contact. I could keep my texts purely logistical but I'm worried that would cause her to drop off.

If a girl feels like she has no problem getting attention/dates
from men...sometimes she'll get really really lazy at following up,
committing to dates etc.

It's not a priority for her so it doesn't really matter if she cancels or not.
What feels like a mission to you is more like a game to her.

I've been shocked to find that some very pretty girls are horrible at "relationship management"...i.e.
responding to texts, following up, committing to dates etc. to the point of being dysfunctional...
which is why they tend to be single longer in spite of being very pretty.

Post: #4709

(03-03-2015 02:14 AM)Apollo21 Wrote:  If a girl feels like she has no problem getting attention/dates
from men...sometimes she'll get really really lazy at following up,
committing to dates etc.

It's not a priority for her so it doesn't really matter if she cancels or not.
What feels like a mission to you is more like a game to her.

I've been shocked to find that some very pretty girls are horrible at "relationship management"...i.e.
responding to texts, following up, committing to dates etc. to the point of being dysfunctional...
which is why they tend to be single longer in spite of being very pretty.

Overall I agree with you but not with this girl.

The thing with this girl is she commits but then often stuff comes up. To be fair she has always give me plenty of notice, so it's not last minute flaking. On the dates when it hasn't she has always text me the night before to confirm we're still on.
These are all positive signs which is why i'm still pursing. Anything less and I'd have nexted her.

She has also told me I'm one of only 10 guys she swiped right on and one of only 3 she has been on a date with. I take those remarks with a lot of salt though.

Post: #4710

I received a message from a girl that I had met on Tinder and broken things off in December. She asked me to join her for a four day getaway in London next week, all expenses covered, including the flights and the hotel. I guess I had an impression....

Post: #4711

(03-02-2015 08:39 AM)Apollo21 Wrote:  I've been shocked to find that some very pretty girls are horrible at "relationship management"...i.e.
responding to texts, following up, committing to dates etc. to the point of being dysfunctional...
which is why they tend to be single longer in spite of being very pretty.

This happened to me last year. Met a really hot Asian girl from Tinder, exactly my type. Had drinks at a bar, little bit of a makeout back at her car. Like an idiot I didn't even attempt to invite her home and tried to play the more conservative two date model. I texted her a few days later and proposed getting together again. She said OK and then I sent her the details of when and where we would meet and she never replied.

Not wanting to chase her I just let it go and on the day of the date (which she never confirmed) I had one of my FB's over since I had nothing else going on. Whenever I have a woman over I always leave my phone on the kitchen counter out of view. After banging my FB I checked my phone while she was in the bathroom and sure enough I see a text from the girl saying she's at the venue and where am I. I replied back "you never replied to my text so I made other plans". Her reply, and this is classic, "sorry, I'm not good with texting"

Post: #4712

(03-03-2015 10:54 AM)Angry Beaver Wrote:  I received a message from a girl that I had met on Tinder and broken things off in December. She asked me to join her for a four day getaway in London next week, all expenses covered, including the flights and the hotel. I guess I had an impression....

Beware of defecating Arab sheikhs #justsaying



In other news, I noticed 4 of my previous rotation girls all hit me up on the 2 weekends AFTER Valentine's Day.

Another ex hunnie from overseas sent me a whole gift box, with chocolates and a whole card.

I let my gf know about the gift (that's right) but not about the 4 girls who are in the surroundings.

Fuck, one of them tried to visit me at work and take me into the elevator.

Anyone else notice the post-valentines 'surge' in attention?

Someone is not satisfying these bitches enough

Post: #4713

Just got back from a date with a Mauritian girl. My logistics are crap right now so couldn't go for the first date bang but already got date 2 half lined up back at her place to watch a game. Established a bucket load of DHV's (good job, lots of travel, etc) so should be able to convert that to a bang.

I went for the kiss in the bar and got the head turn and again when I went for it at her car but I persisted there and she gave in. She resisted the make out which I didn't push (should have though) but I'm not too fussed as I think it's just shyness.

If nothing comes of the second date I'll next her as while I'd like the flag she isn't pretty enough to bother with the effort of the long game.

Post: #4714

I'm convinced that the best move for first kiss is to keep it simple.

"Kiss me."

"Do you wanna make out?"

"Come here."

If your frame is right, and you know your timing, that's all you need to know. If you have already been building attraction with them, it's easy to naturally Segway from talking to kissing. "hahah, that's a funny story, do you wanna makeout?" Done deal.

Post: #4715

(03-04-2015 08:31 AM)redbeard Wrote:  I'm convinced that the best move for first kiss is to keep it simple.

"Kiss me."

"Do you wanna make out?"

"Come here."

If your frame is right, and you know your timing, that's all you need to know. If you have already been building attraction with them, it's easy to naturally Segway from talking to kissing. "hahah, that's a funny story, do you wanna makeout?" Done deal.

I am usually busting their balls so I like to do an excessive pout and close my eyes as I make a high pitched kissing sound.

Then I lock eyes with them and go all serious and invade space and just kiss.

Post: #4716

Sounds kinda gay.

Post: #4717

(03-04-2015 09:20 AM)redbeard Wrote:  Sounds kinda gay.

It kinda is.

Post: #4718

(03-04-2015 09:25 AM)Noir Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 09:20 AM)redbeard Wrote:  Sounds kinda gay.

It kinda is.

"Don't make this awkward"

"Let's get this out of the way"

"Well in that case..."

"Fuck it"

Always with a smirk and/or a smile and at close range. Works every time.

I never tell a girl to directly kiss me or lock super deep gazed eyes.

Post: #4719

Had a pretty great date last night:

19 Year Old 7.25 Tinder

Her face was ok kinda a big nose, but a great body, I can't wait to see her ass naked.

-Opened ME on Tinder calling me a bearded god. (Go time)
-Claims she's never met anyone off tinder.
-Then claims "she'd LOVE to meet me"

She's lagging bad, worried I wasn't going to show up after I replied with just "k".

We meet at a coffee shop, I could tell she's comfortable yet a bit nervous. She apologized a few times for being late.

We talk about the usual drivel work, school, life goals, exchange stories.

I start talking about how men are becoming women, and how women are becoming men. She immediately mentions how her ex was an insecure pussy. (Score one for me).

I do my typical "I can read you" line and begin listing off how she acts and is.

She admits she doesn't really know me yet to think she won't end up on the 6 o clock news (jokingly).

We begin talking about relationships I explain I've been in open ones and don't like putting labels on at one point she says "you've gotta test drive it, before you buy it" (obvious DTF sign).

I honestly find myself embellishing stories or even outright lying about some experiences i've had. (especially traveling stories, which seems to intrigue women alot)

Now some players don't have a problem with this, but I like to keep it as realistic as I can, I think I should tone this down a bit.

Anyways, I call her out again for being super shy and nervous then said these words "You're...intimidated by me aren't you"

She responds with "yeah I am, with your life experiences, you have nice skin and I just want to stroke your face, and those pretty eyes"

I found out she's dated persian men and thought I was one lol, so I've got that going for me.

The coffee place was closing so I bounce us outside we talk a little bit then I go in and give her a hug, it looks like she was about to kiss me, so I pull back and say:

"Don't make this awkward" -smirk-

We makeout she pushes into me, her kissing was alot more aggressive than mine, I noticed after I bit her lip, she bit mine, we makeout some more.

I pull back, I tell her to get home safe - she's still holding onto me.

As I pull away she let's go of me slowly and it's almost she's peeling her arm away from mine.

Then she says this classic "I'll be your Tinderella!" as I walk away.

I say "HAH that's funny"

She sends me a kissy face emoji text later that night.


Overall she was intelligent, very feminine and sweet, I can tell she was extremely into me, but very nervous and intimidated.

I think I'll be having fun with this one.

I'm thinking about compiling my dates into a newbie log for you gents, what do you guys think ?

Would you be interested ? Especially since I'm pretty detailed ?

Post: #4720

Try it. For me, it plays into being the leader. She'll get used to taking orders from me.

"Kiss me.

Blow me.

Bend over.

Use these tissues.

Make me some eggs."

It's all part of escalation.

Post: #4721

(03-04-2015 12:41 PM)redbeard Wrote:  Try it. For me, it plays into being the leader. She'll get used to taking orders from me.

"Kiss me.

Blow me.

Bend over.

Use these tissues.

Make me some eggs."

It's all part of escalation.

I should retract my earlier statement, I've used shutup and kiss me a few times.

Blow me and bend over are standard - you're absolutely right it's all about escalation AND submission. Since I tend to be very dominant.

Post: #4722

@kaotic

Bruh. Why are you doing coffee dates ? I didn't know people were still doing that.

Post: #4723

(03-04-2015 12:44 PM)redbeard Wrote:  @kaotic

Bruh. Why are you doing coffee dates ? I didn't know people were still doing that.

I'm pretty good at them, she was very skittish, I'm not scaring the cat, it was local to my gym/work, traffic was HORRIBLE on the way home, so I wasted 1.5 hours and $3.

She's also 19 and can't drink. She also was skittish on going to another venue. I genuinely think she's never met anyone online, that my SMV value was high enough to her - that she wanted to see me.

She also complained about guys just asking her to come over, or come drink, etc.

I'm not worried about it, I had a fun time, it's not like I didn't have a threesome this weekend, or have a hot main girl lol.

You have to set yourself apart from those thirsty guys, a simple coffee date and being impressionable solves that, I've got her hooked.

Post: #4724

OK checks out.

I can't remember the last time I got coffee with a girl. Maybe it's because I'm usually hustling during the day.

Your post reminds me of #7 -

http://www.goodlookingloser.com/entry/ge...rs-edition

I'm finally seeing a girl that's not just a fuck buddy, and I definitely feel less pressure to get laid considering I've got good pussy on the back burner.

Post: #4725

(03-04-2015 12:44 PM)redbeard Wrote:  @kaotic

Bruh. Why are you doing coffee dates ? I didn't know people were still doing that.

I actually have pretty good luck with coffee dates. If it's a woman that I'm getting a clear DTF vibe from before we meet I will setup a coffee date very close to my apartment. After maybe a half hour if I'm feeling the chemistry I'll suggest we run over to my place to look at photos and "have a real drink". From there I'm balls deep within about 20 minutes of us coming back to my place. This very scenario happened to me twice in the past two weeks (see my posts in the I just had sex thread).

Coffee dates can be the next best thing to having a woman come directly to your place. It provides great plausible deniability for them, costs us almost nothing and it lets a woman get a quick feel for us and satisfy the "is he a serial killer" fear many have with going to someone's place sight unseen.