Post: #11526

Kind of sounds like she just got dicked down, has some moos issues, or actually was just really tired. Either way she wasn't good company. I wouldn't get hung up on it.

Post: #11527

Had a fun night out in a student club, partied from 8 until 8. First I pre drank and ate Mexican food with some friends, then after we hit a specific spot where all the students drink outdoors in front of a church.

First approach was a Turkish girl who’s birthday it was, she was on me, I would give her a 6, then I met her Portugese friend, a 7, tried to game them but the sausage fest was so huge this was a challenge, guys were coming up to these chicks every 5 seconds aggressively, I don’t think I’ve seen students have this much game. I also exchange IG with an Italian girl who wants to be my tandem language partner.

Next approach I literally thought I had in the bag, so my main chick is Mexican and I have a big thing for Mexicanas. I approach a girl and she is a Norteña, 5000 miles away, what are the chances. She had a fat ass, I immediately supercharged my game, hit her with the lingo, grabbed her by the hand and led her to the club. I go inside, she goes to the toilet and when she walks out she doesn’t want to dance with me and walks away. Oh well... IG closed 4 chicks up to this point.

Then I just get tired of gaming in the club, girls are literally so volatile, one minute you think they’re invested next second they’re gone. This is why I only do night game well in the Americas, in Europe it sucks dick.

I actually didn’t take clubbing in england for granted, it is much easier than in Italy and the sausage feats are lower, guys have less game too.

Post: #11528

I had a really funny "fail". This girl who is super cute at my uni held the elevator door for me and then I thanked her and asked her how she was doing. She said good and then asked me if it was cold outside (the elevator is right by the entrance to the building).

I was really confused and said "uhh.. have you been here all night or something?" and sort of laughed and told her ya its cold outside. Then like an hour later I was thinking why the hell did that girl ask me if it was cold outside, ofc she knows its cold outside. Then I realized she was trying to talk to me and I kinda shut her down cuz I wasn't really thinking..

Post: #11529

(10-05-2018 05:59 AM)Mikestar Wrote:  Oh well... IG closed 4 chicks up to this point.

Nice. Did you get any hug closes?

Post: #11530

didn't number closed any girl for this week. it was mainly chit chatting with new girls and nothing else. hopefully next week, i can number closed some girls. even looking to improve my instagram to get new leads. love reading about the progress from my fellow brothers/players.

Post: #11531

(10-05-2018 06:33 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  

(10-05-2018 05:59 AM)Mikestar Wrote:  Oh well... IG closed 4 chicks up to this point.

Nice. Did you get any hug closes?

Try gaming in Italy and see how far you get, IG is better than nothing.

Today before my lecture I was with my friend in a park and this girl appears alone. She is wearing a tank top showing her titties, leggings revealing an hour glass apple bottom figure, the most perfect ass I have seen in a long time, like god crafted her body with his own hands. I didn’t have the balls to approach and she was giving me IOI’s. To make it worse I saw her 4 more times in the same routes in the park and I still pussied out. This pissed me off, that I didn’t take action.

In my university class there are a few girls, one Colombian butterface, one or 2 Mexicans, 2 French girls and some more Arabic looking girls. Today was my first day and I didn’t talk to any. What’s the best game approach in your university class? Take it slow and talk to all chicks and befriend them or dive in and flirt with one right away?

Post: #11532

After yesterday’s dissapointment today I made up for it, did an indirect approach in my university on a girl fresh from Venezuela. I was talking loudly in broken Italian to a landlord in the hallway and mid-phone I say to a girl standing next to me: parli Italiano? Then she translated the conversation for me.

After I told her she looked Colombian and I told her I want to improve my Spanish, she said she can help me. She was the first responsive and smiley girl I’ve talked to in weeks, I actually think she was standing next to me to approach me as she saw I was struggling with Italian. I got her ig and she insisted that we stay in touch. My plan is to message her tonight and invite her to the park this weekend and run the zero date bang recipe. I noticed girls in my university have their guards up so I didn’t do anything drastic (it’s a sausage fest)

Post: #11533

(10-08-2018 03:57 PM)Mikestar Wrote:  

(10-05-2018 06:33 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  

(10-05-2018 05:59 AM)Mikestar Wrote:  Oh well... IG closed 4 chicks up to this point.

Nice. Did you get any hug closes?

Try gaming in Italy and see how far you get, IG is better than nothing.

I prefer gaming in places where I don't speak the language well.

Boring small talk becomes funny and interesting in unexpected ways. No potential for serious discussions, which are anti game. And then I can skip the conversation and go straight to the action.

And in a place where loads of young beautiful Italian, foreign and naive girls are miles away from their parents and friends? Sounds like heaven. They're probably much more feminine and sexual than boring British feminist girls too.

And Instagram? So I can be one of her admirers and 'like' pics of her ass from behind a screen? Fuck that, next time a girl offers you that, say no thanks. Get her phone number or nothing. Much better game.

Post: #11534

If a girl decides to exchange contact, she usually wants facebook in my country.
What´s better:
a) Add her (as a friend) immediately as a friend and text her in 1-2 days
b) Add her and text her both in 1-2 days
c) Don´t add her as a friend and only text her in 1-2 days

Other suggestions are welcomed.

Post: #11535

I have always been focused on relationships and I have always been saying, that it´s not about the number of girls you bang. It has been half a year since broke with my girl and since then I had some bangs.
I made a research and got a number (which is actually probably higher, I´ve written down only the girl from facebook). The number I gathered during 6 months is bigger, than what I got during 6 years of my sexual life before. It´s also bigger, than majority of men will achieve during their life. I am not talking about hundreds, but on the other hand, I´m the guy, who would never consider this be real when I was 20. If I would keep this pace (and I must say I´m not pushing anything very much), I could reach the number 100 by 2020.

This should be the answer, when I feel unsuccessful with girls.

Post: #11536

Roll call - how long into the relationship do girls tell you, "I love you" ?

I was talking with friends about this last night and they agree that 6 months is solid, but one guy said 2 months (!!!) is enough.

Every relationship is different, and if you dive head first into a girl, you can get to know her fast...but 2 months seems crazy. I'm curious what the forum's experience has been.

I've only been in one "love" relationship, a long time ago. It took her about six months to say she loved me. This was well before I was a RVF'er.

I just got out of a serious LTR, and although she never said it, I could feel it coming. We dated 5 months, so the 6 month mark seems to be a good guess.

Post: #11537

Some great progress in my game and hopefully can be a reinforcement for men who struggle with caring about outcome too much.

Talk to a girl at my uni, she casually drops that she has a boyfriend while I am flirting with her, keep flirting anyways, become facebook and IG friends.

Chat her up next time I see her and ask her out, she is like "dude I have a boyfriend?!" I tell her I don't care and that I want to take her for myself. She gets super mad and tries to shame me and I tell her I refuse to let anyone make me feel bad about going after what I want.

Don't talk to her for a couple weeks other than a passing "hey" when I see her around. Text her HBD and ask if she has any plans on her birthday. She is sending smiley faces and says she isn't really celebrating.. Tell her I am surprised that her BF isn't taking her out. She barely defends him and then sends me this gigantic text about how she hasn't stopped thinking about me since I asked her out and that I have "an invisible and primal control over her" that she can't shake, and that she knows she cares way more about what I think about her than what I think about her.

She tries to shit test me by not replying to me after that, see her at school tomorrow, shoot her a seductive "hey" with a wink when I pass her at school. She texts me like right after that and says she is a piece of shit for being so difficult, but she can't get herself to go out with me while she has a BF. Tell her I will see her around.

Planted the seed awhile back and waited for it to grow. I was thinking at this point I should just wait and let her take care of the boyfriend problem? I am honestly new to picking up girls with boyfriends.

TL;DR
Hit on chick with boyfriend, planted seed, waited for it to grow. Later she admits she has been obsessing over me, but can't get herself to go out with me while she has a boyfriend. Flirt with her a little more and break contact in hopes that next time she or I get in contact she will have taken care of this "boyfriend" problem.

Post: #11538

(10-10-2018 09:09 AM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  If a girl decides to exchange contact, she usually wants facebook in my country.
What´s better:
a) Add her (as a friend) immediately as a friend and text her in 1-2 days
b) Add her and text her both in 1-2 days
c) Don´t add her as a friend and only text her in 1-2 days

Other suggestions are welcomed.

I think things like this are over thinking it. I don't think it really matters that much

Post: #11539

(10-11-2018 09:26 AM)redbeard Wrote:  Roll call - how long into the relationship do girls tell you, "I love you" ?

I was talking with friends about this last night and they agree that 6 months is solid, but one guy said 2 months (!!!) is enough.

Every relationship is different, and if you dive head first into a girl, you can get to know her fast...but 2 months seems crazy. I'm curious what the forum's experience has been.

I've only been in one "love" relationship, a long time ago. It took her about six months to say she loved me. This was well before I was a RVF'er.

I just got out of a serious LTR, and although she never said it, I could feel it coming. We dated 5 months, so the 6 month mark seems to be a good guess.

Ya I usually get it around 4 or 5 months. Had it a couple times at 3, and a couple at 6.

Post: #11540

(10-11-2018 09:50 AM)InvoluntaryHermit Wrote:  Some great progress in my game and hopefully can be a reinforcement for men who struggle with caring about outcome too much.

Talk to a girl at my uni, she casually drops that she has a boyfriend while I am flirting with her, keep flirting anyways, become facebook and IG friends.

Chat her up next time I see her and ask her out, she is like "dude I have a boyfriend?!" I tell her I don't care and that I want to take her for myself. She gets super mad and tries to shame me and I tell her I refuse to let anyone make me feel bad about going after what I want.

Don't talk to her for a couple weeks other than a passing "hey" when I see her around. Text her HBD and ask if she has any plans on her birthday. She is sending smiley faces and says she isn't really celebrating.. Tell her I am surprised that her BF isn't taking her out. She barely defends him and then sends me this gigantic text about how she hasn't stopped thinking about me since I asked her out and that I have "an invisible and primal control over her" that she can't shake, and that she knows she cares way more about what I think about her than what I think about her.

She tries to shit test me by not replying to me after that, see her at school tomorrow, shoot her a seductive "hey" with a wink when I pass her at school. She texts me like right after that and says she is a piece of shit for being so difficult, but she can't get herself to go out with me while she has a BF. Tell her I will see her around.

Planted the seed awhile back and waited for it to grow. I was thinking at this point I should just wait and let her take care of the boyfriend problem? I am honestly new to picking up girls with boyfriends.

TL;DR
Hit on chick with boyfriend, planted seed, waited for it to grow. Later she admits she has been obsessing over me, but can't get herself to go out with me while she has a boyfriend. Flirt with her a little more and break contact in hopes that next time she or I get in contact she will have taken care of this "boyfriend" problem.

I think the fact that you have her both on insta and facebook complicated things man. Keep things under the radar to avoid complications

Post: #11541

(10-11-2018 09:26 AM)redbeard Wrote:  Roll call - how long into the relationship do girls tell you, "I love you" ?

I was talking with friends about this last night and they agree that 6 months is solid, but one guy said 2 months (!!!) is enough.

Every relationship is different, and if you dive head first into a girl, you can get to know her fast...but 2 months seems crazy. I'm curious what the forum's experience has been.

I've only been in one "love" relationship, a long time ago. It took her about six months to say she loved me. This was well before I was a RVF'er.

I just got out of a serious LTR, and although she never said it, I could feel it coming. We dated 5 months, so the 6 month mark seems to be a good guess.

I assume this is in serious to semi-serious apparently monogamous relationships. With girls I've been banging almost twice a month, it's been two years and she hasn't blurted those three words to me. She has given me nice gifts, and great sex, but not that.

Post: #11542

Gents! Need help with probable betaization symptom happening to me

I've been in an open relationship with this girl (arguably a fit 7, late twenties) for the last 2 years. She's sweet, super smart, feminine, down-to-earth, introverted, quirky. She comes from a small town, and lives in a neighboring city (around two hours drive) and travels to my city for work, several weeks at a time. We met through work when I had an assignment in her city. Nothing happened during that time, she was in a relationship. But, since then I realised we shared a lot of commonalities, sense of humor, taste in music. I am also in my late twenties, she's two or three months older (yeah, I know the biological clock is ticking. No probs, she has an implanted hormonal birth-control).

Long story short, after that assignment I returned to my city, and switched jobs, then decided to contact her again. When she traveled to my city for work, she visited me. After a couple dates we ended up banging. She was clearly inexperienced in bed, but really enthusiastic with me. Later I learnt her long time BF had cheated on her and she dumped him (according to her, this guy was the only one she had been in bed with before me). We really hit it off, I teached her to please me in bed, and now we have mind-blowing sex, and enjoy our time together. It's a MLTR relationship.

Fast forward it's been almost two years since we started banging, we dont' call each other GF or BF, just by our names. We meet three or four times a month, normally when she is summonted to my city on an assignment, sometimes its weeks each time. We keep the relationship private. No family involved, and she hasn't pressed or asked me to meet her parents, not once. Maybe she has indirectly offered me to join her when her mother visits her in my city, but I haven't done it. I don't plan to marry her (or anybody else, for that matter), nor I want to have kids (yet).

NOW, the Nice Guy in me, kinda feels like it would be a nice gesture, a "REWARD" to her good behaviour, for her to meet my parents casually (say, have lunch somewhere public), or for me to meet her parents (e.g. when her mother visits this girl in my city). BUT, there are all sorts of things that can go wrong, as her mom is very traditional, she might end up asking questions we know we don't want to answer (what's your plan, when are you moving together, are you getting married, yadda yadda...)

This girl is aware I have some fun on the side, and she is free to do the same. Seemingly she doesn't, as she gets enough solid dick from me. On the other side, am improving my social circle game with new young friends that are connected to some serious talent.

What would you do? Are families off-limits for any woman you are not in a serious/exclusive relationship with? Some friends (french and similar) say they have brought girls to their houses and their parent's didn't care much. For me, it's a big deal to bring a girl for "dinner". I'd like to reward her good behaviour somehow... It's been two years, I have never been or heard of anybody keeping an open non-serious relationship for that long. That or I'm just a newbie.

And if everything breaks, well, new girls, new adventures.

Hope the forum can chime in. Thanks!

Post: #11543

I was coming back home on the bus.

After finishing talking on the phone with a friend of mine I have noticed a cute black girl sitting in the row next to mine and reading a book.

I opened by asking what she is reading. Her eyes seemed to brighten and said it was mystery love novel.

We rambled and joked about the book when she suddenly started asking where am I from, what am I doing here, why I speak Spanish so well.

She turned out to be from an African country which language I spoke to some degree which also impressed her, told me about her job.

We approached my bus stop so I quickly asked for her number, she hesitated for a couple of seconds and gave it to me with a smile.

The whole interaction was rather short around 5-7 minutes so quite short to build a connection.

How should I carry on after the first text with this girl?

Post: #11544

(10-11-2018 04:47 PM)topdog Wrote:  Gents! Need help with probable betaization symptom happening to me

What would you do? Are families off-limits for any woman you are not in a serious/exclusive relationship with? Some friends (french and similar) say they have brought girls to their houses and their parent's didn't care much. For me, it's a big deal to bring a girl for "dinner". I'd like to reward her good behaviour somehow... It's been two years, I have never been or heard of anybody keeping an open non-serious relationship for that long. That or I'm just a newbie.

And if everything breaks, well, new girls, new adventures.

Hope the forum can chime in. Thanks!

Personally, if a girl is not showing/asking "where are we going?" type of questions/gestures then I wouldn't "reward" her with anything even if the sex and the things she does for me are mind-blowing.

The only thing I can think of, on her part, that would've been the time to capitalize on your "betaization" would have been to go with her to meet her mom when she offered but you declined.

If you're beginning to have strong feelings for her but don't want to marry her or have kids with her (yet), as you say, then "rewarding" her will be a mistake on your part, not hers. You're the one who is thinking there could be more but without the pressure of starting a relationship that involves her family and your family. If you're going to have a relationship it's entirely up to you how to spend your time with her. You can be in a relationship without becoming a "beta" in the process by just maintaining your frame:

GF: "Hey babe! Let's visit my parents this weekend."
You: "We hung out with your family two weekends ago. I'm hanging with the boys this weekend."
GF: "Well, I want to see my family and you should come with me."
You: "Go see your family but I'm hanging out with the guys. Don't ask me again."

Now, if you went ahead on your current path, and she does mention you to her friends and family, they'll ask her why she hasn't brought over her mystery boyfriend to meet them or spend time with them, and then, as usual, she'll start to wondering and continuing to bug you why you make excuses to avoid meeting her friends and family, and before you know it she's dumping your ass for some other Chad.

Save yourself the headache. If, from what you say, is that she checks off all your boxes of potential LTR then go for it. Who knows where it will go and if she isn't the girl you thought she might be (big reveal) then continue your conquest for those new adventures.

Post: #11545

(10-11-2018 05:37 PM)UniversalMen Wrote:  Personally, if a girl is not showing/asking "where are we going?" type of questions/gestures then I wouldn't "reward" her with anything even if the sex and the things she does for me are mind-blowing.

The only thing I can think of, on her part, that would've been the time to capitalize on your "betaization" would have been to go with her to meet her mom when she offered but you declined.

If you're beginning to have strong feelings for her but don't want to marry her or have kids with her (yet), as you say, then "rewarding" her will be a mistake on your part, not hers.

Duly noted. I needed this.

(10-11-2018 05:37 PM)UniversalMen Wrote:  Save yourself the headache. If, from what you say, is that she checks off all your boxes of potential LTR then go for it. Who knows where it will go and if she isn't the girl you thought she might be (big reveal) then continue your conquest for those new adventures.

Thanks UM, I really like this girl but I don't want to give a false expectation to her, because there is not plan to become serious.

Will enjoy the ride while it lasts...

Peace out!

Post: #11546

I feel like I'm at a dead end with game right now.

I found game (and this forum) at the start of this year and had a really good run of 20+ new notches until August when I burnt out and needed a break.

Gaming and banging random women has not made me any happier. I feel like I needed to have these experiences, but I’ve started gaming again and I’m struggling to enjoy it. I remember Roosh saying in a video that he disliked the personalities of something like 6/7 of the women he bangs. I think this is a fair ratio. It’s not good for the soul spending time with these women and it is certainly not good for your self-respect chasing them, entertaining them and dealing with the flakes and the dates that don’t even lead anywhere.

I think I need to go back to having a break for a while and possibly restrict most of my gaming to trips abroad. Maybe I need to focus more on K instead of R girls or screen for an LTR.

Running clown game on westernized girls now feels really demeaning and I’m starting to question the ROI. The novelty has worn off.

Hopefully the desire and enjoyment will come back, but it doesn't feel like that right now.

Post: #11547

What quality of girls are you guys actually banging though? Can't help but feel like most of you are severely inflating these '7's' and '8's'.. Zero pictorial evidence in this thread from what I can see.

Post: #11548

Have to give an update of my transformation.

I want to thank every one on this forum for the amazing advice and lessons. I greatly appreciate the harsh criticism. A man only learns by the mistakes he makes.

Tonight I had an awesome time. I connected with this girl through social circle, blind meet up. She was a 7, I followed the method subconsciously. I attracted and escatled at all the right times. She invited me back to her place but I had to catch a train. Now she is texting me begging to come over this week.

At the same time I have two, ones a 7 the other and 8, trying to get me hang out.

The night went perfect and that's all I can say.

Post: #11549

(10-15-2018 08:47 PM)Funkbus40 Wrote:  Have to give an update of my transformation.

I want to thank every one on this forum for the amazing advice and lessons. I greatly appreciate the harsh criticism. A man only learns by the mistakes he makes.

Tonight I had an awesome time. I connected with this girl through social circle, blind meet up. She was a 7, I followed the method subconsciously. I attracted and escatled at all the right times. She invited me back to her place but I had to catch a train. Now she is texting me begging to come over this week.

At the same time I have two, ones a 7 the other and 8, trying to get me hang out.

The night went perfect and that's all I can say.

Show pics of these 7's and 8's then....

Post: #11550

Today I met this girl.
We actually met for the first time in May through Badoo. Nothing came out of it, she didn´t refuse me, but it was difficult to arrange another date, so I nexted her.
Recently she messaged me, if am I alone and still up for meeting. She said that previous period she spent few months in Great Britain. We have arranged a date, but she felt ill. I nexted her again.
Today I was going through Whatsapp and saw her there, so I texted only some smile and she immediately asked when we are going for a date. We met this afternoon and it was okay. According to things she said, she searches for someone to settle down. She was professional athlete and just finished her career this summer.
When I left her at her hairdresser, she immediately texted me. She even sent me a kiss message.

But now the weird part.
She has kind of unusual name, so I put it to Instagram search. For last few years she had been with one guy (which is okay). But she has there photos from their holiday, while she should be studying in Great Britain, according to what she said.
I guess they break up around the May, so she made Badoo and then got back together (that´s when nothing came out of our date) and now they broke up again and immediatelly texted me, if I am avalaible.

I wouldn´t be solving one girl so much. But she is 9 with amazing body, young, and everything says her history is really acceptable. She had one long-term relationship and she was an athlete and commited to it many hours each day of week since childhood. And I have been just banging around for last 7 months with lower quality girls, so this could be good.

But I almost forget how to play it with this kind of girl. I guess I should let her do all the moves, right? I want her to be the one who´s chasing me, even though I have strong feeling I should chase her (which is very rare for me now). I am not going to write her at all and only let her initiate contact. I´m also going to work away upcomign weeks and only come to the city 2-3 times a week., so I will just let her know, that I am here and don´t push to seeing each other very much.

Edit: As I am going to sleep, she texted me again, that she is so glad that we finally met. But I realized, she told me she was living at her "brother" recently, lol.