Hypothetically speaking of course....but I stole a double magnum of some very expensive champagne from a restaurant last night. Props to the guys recommending Blazers btw...great for concealing the spoils. They had this enormous bottle on display and I just took it while the girl watched. She had a fit that I was committing a crime but my god did it get her hot. This was just a small act of larceny but the way she sucked my dick you would have thought it was a bank heist.

Any other guys find petty crimes wet the pussy? If so what are you degenerated bastards up to?

(11-23-2015 01:42 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

(11-22-2015 09:01 PM)robreke Wrote:  Didn't want to start a thread on this and did a brief search but couldn't find nothing. I'm sure there are some things but I'm not using the right word combos.

I'm looking on how to proceed with girls that are fun to hang with, do some kissing/hand holding and have vibrant personalities and a feminine attitude but don't put out after two dates. They kind of make subtle hint that they're not considering it for the third date either ( though can't be sure ). You also know they aren't virgins.

They tell you they will have sex, but want to get "comfortable" with you first. Girls who are worth a bit of effort and you would love to bang. At the same time, you don't want to waste your resources and get taken for a ride.

Just invite over for dinner and a movie the next time ( a rather blunt message) or continue cheap dates?....or is it often a lost cause?

I've just been so used to either first date bangs, second date bangs or ghosts after the first date that this is a new situation to me I've run into a few times lately...

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Sounds like these type of girls are putting you into the resource/provider/boyfriend category.

Nip that in the butt, especially if you don't see them as LTR material.

Cook dinner with her, have a few drinks, watch a movie. It's intimate, fun, and can get the job done.

Make it a SNL situation - if she doesn't give it up, ghost on her, see how she responds.

Don't play her games and regain the frame.

NOTE: I never kiss or hold hands on dates - I keep them guessing. I'll only kiss them if I know I can't get the bang and I'm saying good night.

I won't even kiss them on the second date if we're out or any PDA, that's for girls I've banged already or mini LTR's.

(11-22-2015 09:53 PM)Thatdude Wrote:  Real shit Kaotic. Thanks for the advice. I was with her this weekend and gave her the "let's try it out, take it day by day." Should be interesting to see how it plays out.

Either way, expect the worst, let her hamster spin and let her qualify herself. That's the most important thing, if she wants to be your woman, make her earn it.

^ solid advice. Same for Germanico's post. I do need to scale back on PDA. I don't do it much and certainly less than the average guy, but probably too much sometimes. I have however found the "hand hold test" on a first date is good. If a girl caresses your hand back, she's attracted and date is going direction you want. If not, or she pulls her hand away, there's still work to do and you know it'll be harder to bounce to your place.

Update: The girl who inspired this post, she came back over to my place later in the evening after a bit of an 'intermission' where I dropped her off to be with her friend. Bang.

After our daytime/early evening date (2nd date). I dropped her off last night about 8;00 to meet her roommate who was out on the town and she wanted to see her. I wanted no part of that so dropped her off at some club and went back to my place.

She starts texting about 9:00 p.m. saying she can't find her friend anywhere. She wants to know if she can come over to my place if she can't find her friend. "sure" I respond.

She catches a Lyft over to my place around 11:00. I was about to fall asleep.

When she arrives - I'm sitting on my bed watching a movie on the laptop. Sitting on the couch isn't an option and all the lights in the living room are off (by design hehe ).

At first she's like "you want to watch the movie in there?" meaning the living room. I say "I've been in here for hours watching this movie, you're lucky you caught me before I fell asleep" She gets in the bed and starts bemoaning about her roommate was barely responding to her texts when she was looking for her. She showed me her roommates abrupt texts and I had to smile realizing even girls can be flaky to each other.

Some coy LMR but things worked out nicely in the end.

I guess you could call it a "2nd date 'with an intermission' bang"

Took the virginity of a Pakistani girl two days ago. Met her initially at a bar and number closed. We talked and hung out for about a week. So two days ago I invited her over to watch Coming to America (my signature is having them watch classic black movies). I started escalating then going down on her. Eventually she told me she wanted me to fuck her. Ended up raw dogging

I plan to keep her around for a bit. I've been really digging the brown girls lately.

Interesting:

That cute black 19 year old 8 I was banging has been on my radar the last week.

History:

We bang about once a week at my hours for a few months.

The last fuck session we had was Dom. I text her exactly what I'm going to do to her, tell her not to say a word, I whip and cuff her, fuck her, cum on her face, and send her on her way.

All without a word. That's the last time I saw her.

Then this happened:

6/16 She catches feelings hard and I end things
7/1 Texts me "I miss you..."
9/7 Calls me at night and texts me after "Fucking liar. Please just tell me what I did. You said you wouldn't ignore me."
9/8 "Okay so that was kind of dramatic, but are you seriously just going to ignore me & never talk to me again?"

She's called me a few times between then and now.

She called me last Friday & just now this morning.

I'm pretty sure she's just trying to get a reaction out of me at this point.

Probably a bad case of Alpha Widow or whatever you want to call it.



I'm pretty positive she isn't pregnant (I'm sure she'd blow me up about that right now). I'm also pretty sure I didn't get any STD's from her and I didn't give her any either.


I'm wondering if there's anything else I'm missing or overlooking that she could be blowing me up about. I was looking through our history - damn it was fun, I caught myself looking at her nudes and videos and fantasized about it for a bit.

I knocked it off - I know it's better to avoid this girl. I just realized iPhone's have a block feature, I'm debating putting it on with this girl. 10% of me wants to contact this girls and squash this out and be left alone.

I cant tell if I lost my frame, or this girl was a just a little psychopath. I keep overanalyzing it today. Long story short, we went out last weekend, and after lots of drinking and running around I took her to a hotel room instead of back to my place. She lectured me for a solid 30 minutes about how wrong that was, when we got into the room, then promptly took off her clothes and banged very quickly.

(11-24-2015 01:30 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Interesting:

That cute black 19 year old 8 I was banging has been on my radar the last week.

History:

We bang about once a week at my hours for a few months.

The last fuck session we had was Dom. I text her exactly what I'm going to do to her, tell her not to say a word, I whip and cuff her, fuck her, cum on her face, and send her on her way.

All without a word. That's the last time I saw her.

Then this happened:

6/16 She catches feelings hard and I end things
7/1 Texts me "I miss you..."
9/7 Calls me at night and texts me after "Fucking liar. Please just tell me what I did. You said you wouldn't ignore me."
9/8 "Okay so that was kind of dramatic, but are you seriously just going to ignore me & never talk to me again?"

She's called me a few times between then and now.

She called me last Friday & just now this morning.

I'm pretty sure she's just trying to get a reaction out of me at this point.

Probably a bad case of Alpha Widow or whatever you want to call it.



I'm pretty positive she isn't pregnant (I'm sure she'd blow me up about that right now). I'm also pretty sure I didn't get any STD's from her and I didn't give her any either.


I'm wondering if there's anything else I'm missing or overlooking that she could be blowing me up about. I was looking through our history - damn it was fun, I caught myself looking at her nudes and videos and fantasized about it for a bit.

I knocked it off - I know it's better to avoid this girl. I just realized iPhone's have a block feature, I'm debating putting it on with this girl. 10% of me wants to contact this girls and squash this out and be left alone.

Random thought - if you still want to be with her from time to time, you could lie and tell her you've got a new work assignment. You travel 2 to 3 weeks a month. You'd like to see her when you're in town on your downtime, say once or twice a month.

Because of your new travel schedule, there can't be anything serious as you're usually flying or driving to this state or that, seeing new clients, prospects and opening accounts.

Upside is you get the pleasure of banging her, but keep her at arms length...say one or two times a month. Since she thinks you're traveling, she won't always be expecting to see you.

Downside of course is you're lying to her and setting her up for potentially more future heartbreak.

Funny you mention that since that was how it was from the get go.

I stated that I was working all the time and not being available is something she would have to deal with (which was true).

She was upset we couldn't do anything (in our last conversation), I simply explained, by the time im off work (when I'm in town) and out of the gym I'm tired and feel like relaxing.

Basically, "all we do is fuck and I want to do more" - she asked this twice from me. I held the same frame and she kept coming back.

Keep in mind I have an LTR already, that last thing I wanted was another mini LTR (I had 2 mini LTR, the black girl, and the illinois girl)

She seemed like a nice enough girl, but was definitely a bit strange and also was into raves and drugs, something seemed a bit off socially with her (which makes me question why she's still blowing me up)

The last thing I need to do is jade another cute girl, I'm done doing that, so I'll play the nice guy "it's not you, it's me" exit.

She admitted she was super clingy, gets attached easily, claims i was distant, claimed she was "stupid girl and I got away with fucking her for months".

She was retarded when it came to directions driving and she had very short hair (kind of a deal breaker for me).

The sex was fantastic with her, it was literally hard to not cum inside her (i never did), I could bang her 2-3 times in a short period of time but is it really worth restarting ?

The answer: No, it's not, I've always moved onto newer pastures. I'm worried about covering my ass and that she might be a crazy clinger.

(11-24-2015 07:17 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Funny you mention that since that was how it was from the get go.

I stated that I was working all the time and not being available is something she would have to deal with (which was true).

She was upset we couldn't do anything (in our last conversation), I simply explained, by the time im off work (when I'm in town) and out of the gym I'm tired and feel like relaxing.

Basically, "all we do is fuck and I want to do more" - she asked this twice from me. I held the same frame and she kept coming back.

Keep in mind I have an LTR already, that last thing I wanted was another mini LTR (I had 2 mini LTR, the black girl, and the illinois girl)

She seemed like a nice enough girl, but was definitely a bit strange and also was into raves and drugs, something seemed a bit off socially with her (which makes me question why she's still blowing me up)

The last thing I need to do is jade another cute girl, I'm done doing that, so I'll play the nice guy "it's not you, it's me" exit.

She admitted she was super clingy, gets attached easily, claims i was distant, claimed she was "stupid girl and I got away with fucking her for months".

She was retarded when it came to directions driving and she had very short hair (kind of a deal breaker for me).

The sex was fantastic with her, it was literally hard to not cum inside her (i never did), I could bang her 2-3 times in a short period of time but is it really worth restarting ?

The answer: No, it's not, I've always moved onto newer pastures. I'm worried about covering my ass and that she might be a crazy clinger.

Sounds like Alpha Widow to me. Some girls have a hard time letting go.
I let go of a girl I was banging for 6 months early this year and she kept texting me for months afterwards. She even wrote me a letter and put it under the wiper on my car.
Similar to you the sex with her was great, we clicked very well on that level, but in the end I got bored of spending any time with her outside of banging and so let her go.

This girls seems to be feeling it particularly badly but maybe that's because she's so young? She's probably never been let go of before.

Still don't understand the fascination with high society girls in foreign countries

WIA

Spiderman Technique.

Just finished with a tinder date, SNL. I must say, that after 28 years, I can't believe I never knew the spiderman technique linked above. I stumbled upon that recently and she was the first one I could try it on and she LOVED it. So much so that even though she caught me whatsapp'ing my main plate as she was getting dressed to leave, she hardly even cared. She asked me who the girl was, I said, "my date tomorrow" and she said "okay". I smacked her ass, kissed her some more and we left my apartment, without mentioning another word about it. My sex game just leveled up with the spiderman.

(11-25-2015 06:34 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Still don't understand the fascination with high society girls in foreign countries

WIA

I don't know how much you have traveled around the 2nd and 3rd world. If you have been to some of the poorer countries, you'll realize that girls from the upper-classes are more sophisticated and have more in common with you than poorer girls.

The obsession with them is not only a matter of sex - its mostly a matter of comfort. Comfort with a feminine woman who shares most of your worldview. These girls are easier to have a conversation with because they've been to foreign countries and know how you think.

They're better than the villagers because they can have a conversation in English with a man from North America or Europe. They're better than the girls in your neighborhood because they are genuine and aren't beholden to corporate culture and the Disney dream.

And they can afford sexier outfits, better makeup, and better parlors for their hair.

I'm getting together for a second bang tonight with my Brazilian mulatto girl.

She texted me "fyi just got my tongue pierced"

Good God, girls are such idiots.

It's a good thing I caught her when she is 19 before she totally self destructs ( more piercings, tattoos and maximum velocity carousel )

I pretended I thought that was cool on text cause I'm looking forward to seeing her. She can't take it out as she had it done last night.

Anyone got any experience with this? To me it just seems like it will make kissing and blow jobs less enjoyable.

@robreke tongue pierced blowjobs can feel really good. adds an extra dimension to the tongue action

(11-30-2015 02:35 PM)robreke Wrote:  I'm getting together for a second bang tonight with my Brazilian mulatto girl.

She texted me "fyi just got my tongue pierced"

Good God, girls are such idiots.

It's a good thing I caught her when she is 19 before she totally self destructs ( more piercings, tattoos and maximum velocity carousel )

I pretended I thought that was cool on text cause I'm looking forward to seeing her. She can't take it out as she had it done last night.

Anyone got any experience with this? To me it just seems like it will make kissing and blow jobs less enjoyable.

This bitch is going to suck your dick right after getting it pierced ?

Is she retarded ? That's asking for an infection.

One of my plates waited almost a month before sucking my dick with her new tongue piercing.

Did a quick meet at a coffee shop with this super sarcastic chick.

She works in the medical field cute face, whatever body, probably put her at a 6.5/7

She's half Flip/Mexican, great combo for facial features.

She flaked the day before thanksgiving, honestly I wasn't wanting to drive in traffic. I drove closer to her. Turns out this chick hates driving and is horrible with directions.

She sat at the table with her purse in her lap, usually a bad sign but there was nowhere to put it at the 2 seat table against the window.

She was semi tired, sarcastic bitch from the get go, I wasn't in my element.

I finally got some traction talking about my becoming of age and family background. She was leaning in and laughing more.

I had 3 plate options who sent me texts, 2 offering to hangout, the other confirmed she was available.

My gut kind of told me jesus christ is this bitch like this all the time ? We said our goodbyes, I didn't even go for the kiss, I don't know why.

She was cute, maybe just repulsed by her over the top sarcasm. We were both tired as well. I'll probably throw a hell mary on going out and actually doing something, which might get her out of her element, but is it even really worth going through the hoops and banging ?

Doubtful. At least I got a few more numbers this weekend.


Also, I matched with this cut indian girl, we text and plan on meeting this week.....then I matched her TWIN SISTER on tinder as well.

I laughed and played it cool, mentioned it to the twin im talking to, and we're still texting.

Shit test batted down.

(11-30-2015 03:08 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 02:35 PM)robreke Wrote:  I'm getting together for a second bang tonight with my Brazilian mulatto girl.

She texted me "fyi just got my tongue pierced"

Good God, girls are such idiots.

It's a good thing I caught her when she is 19 before she totally self destructs ( more piercings, tattoos and maximum velocity carousel )

I pretended I thought that was cool on text cause I'm looking forward to seeing her. She can't take it out as she had it done last night.

Anyone got any experience with this? To me it just seems like it will make kissing and blow jobs less enjoyable.

This bitch is going to suck your dick right after getting it pierced ?

Is she retarded ? That's asking for an infection.

One of my plates waited almost a month before sucking my dick with her new tongue piercing.

Well, she probably won't. I was just assuming it because the last time she gave great head and I've been thinking about it. Damn.

I guess it's just a good old fashioned bang tonight.

Few things have happened in the past week...

One of my plates (been banging her for 6+ months) started getting weird on me and accusing me of having a girlfriend (I have a main girl) over text. I completely ignored it over text but the next time we met up she throws it at me when I go to make out with her. Both of them follow me on Instagram and apparently the "Discover" feature on Instagram suggested to my plate that she follow my main girl (doh!). She went through my main girls photos and there are a couple of photos on there where we look pretty cosy but none of us actually kissing or anything. I tell my plate that she's just a friend who is quite touchy feely and to stop being jealous.
This shuts my plate up and she says that she doesn't mind being my FWB but she just didn't want to be a "home wrecker". Then we banged.
Totally unconnected my main girl has now made her Instagram private so at least I don't have to worry about that happening again.

My main girl had a big rant about my ex gf (who I was with for 7+ years) saying she feels like she has to compete with her but can't and that everything we do together I've already done with my ex first. She also said that I have my ex gf on a pedestal so that my main girl can never live up to that. I don't agree that I have my ex gf on a pedestal however I don't allow my new girl to rip on my ex gf which I think is her problem.

Went on a date last night with a new girl. We had great conversation, ended up talking for 3 hours, she bought me a drink and I got good body language from her from the outset but I just didn't find her that physically attractive. I did a very small bit of kino and once we realised the time and left I just gave her a hug, didn't even try for the kiss. But as soon as I broke the embrace I got the feeling that she'd been hoping for the kiss. I felt weird like I should have tried to convert but didn't.
She didn't text me that night or this morning and I'm unsure if I'll text her tomorrow or not. Feel like I should try and convert this, I haven't had a new notch since August, but despite getting along with her I'm just not that physically into her.

I saw the most beautiful thing I've seen in a while this weekend - a shy but ecstatic girly smile after I kissed a girl I'd been seeing for a while. It was poetic. I forgot about every problem, every project, every obligation for those 10 seconds she was trying to stop smiling.

No matter how messed up girls can be, how much pain and heartache they an cause you, moments like this make it all worth it. Didn't even care about getting the bang after that (although I did), and nutting in her did not give me half the satisfaction seeing her smile did.

I guess that's what game's really about - creating love. Unfortunately, any kind of love with a lover is fleeting at best. You're both in love for a few seconds, or minutes if you're lucky, and then you move on and get with the program.

Perhaps this is the next level of game that I've been looking for.

There's nothing funnier than seeing an old ex hitting the wall and getting chubby like her mother.

Mother Nature is woman's natural Karma.

The other day I went to pick up my dog for a walk from my ex wife's house. He is a very strong and intelligent 9 year old American Field Labrador. I trained him myself and I am his primary leader. He was with my ex wife's boyfriend's dog, a hyper, poorly trained, 3 year old, female Golden Retriever. I would guess she is a "9" for a dog. My ex tells me that my dog regularly bangs her. Anyway, as I entered the fenced in area, she rushed out to lick me and jump on me (bad behavior). My dog intercepted her and calmly grabbed her by the back of the neck before she got to me, growled at her a little, then looked to me for approval. She calmed down for about 30 seconds.

(12-03-2015 12:02 AM)Robert Plant Wrote:  The other day I went to pick up my dog for a walk from my ex wife's house. He is a very strong and intelligent 9 year old American Field Labrador. I trained him myself and I am his primary leader. He was with my ex wife's boyfriend's dog, a hyper, poorly trained, 3 year old, female Golden Retriever. I would guess she is a "9" for a dog. My ex tells me that my dog regularly bangs her. Anyway, as I entered the fenced in area, she rushed out to lick me and jump on me (bad behavior). My dog intercepted her and calmly grabbed her by the back of the neck before she got to me, growled at her a little, then looked to me for approval. She calmed down for about 30 seconds.

What?

I'm wondering if i should reply to threads where i don't even agree with the defining premise of the thread

Also

I got added to two groups, groupme and a secret Facebook group. From experience, i know these can be fertile hunting grounds, but it's like watching a movie on Netflix rather than going out

(12-03-2015 08:11 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I'm wondering if i should reply to threads where i don't even agree with the defining premise of the thread

Also

I got added to two groups, groupme and a secret Facebook group. From experience, i know these can be fertile hunting grounds, but it's like watching a movie on Netflix rather than going out

WIA everyone here highly values your input whether it's supporting or disagreeing with the subject.

If you have the energy for it, we always appreciate it, and never take it personal.

How is a secret FB group a hunting ground ? Is it like a group of social clique or something ?

@Kaotic

I can throw the vibe of a discussion off. Sometimes it's better to let it simmer to see if my point is raised or let something entirely new to me get discussed.

The FB group are all people I kinda know. Less so with groupme. In both situations, it's easy to send a dm and use the contrast to the group conversation to create a bubble. Once that dynamic is established, it's just like in person game.

But i like my anonymity.

I'm already getting feelers from the Group Me, and that started this morning.

The FB group is a remnant of a previous "life", just don't know if i want to go down that gauntlet again. But it's nice to have that resource there.

Seeking some advice here from some forum experts on setting up a second date...

I met this girl, a blonde, 27-yo, 6.5. We had a first date two weeks ago on a Friday night at nice cocktail bar, a lot of touching, at one point I was stroking her face with the back of my hand, and running my hand through her hair. She enjoyed it thoroughly. Positive energy.

I knew she was leaving for Thanksgiving, so I asked her schedule. She said she'd be free Tuesday before Thanksgiving before she goes out of state.

I hit her up last Tuesday with a line borrowed from Blurred's ZDB thread, about being cold out and how I picked us up a bottle of wine. 7 or 8 pm work better? She sends back a long text a few hours later saying she has a pop-quiz that's due tomorrow before she leaves so she has to stay in on Tuesday. Probably bullshit. I just respond with "Oh." (I had just read Hank Moody's texting post).

This week, I hit her up Monday. Just to reconnect. "Are you all tan from your trip to (warm city she lives in)? Feel like I'm whiter the longer I live in (this city)." We text a bit, I don't ask her out.

Wednesday of this week, I text her "I just had an amazing glass of wine. You should be here right now." She responds back, "I would but I have class in 15, where's here?" I tell her I'm at my place, we banter a bit more. I tell her to finish class and her studies and come over after class like 9 pm, but she tells me she can't stay out that late during the school week. So I tell her what's better Friday or Sunday? She says she could do Sunday, and asks me what I had in mind. I tell her, "We'll relax and watch a movie."

This morning, she replies, "Or we could venture out into the world and see a movie in theaters, I hear Night Before Christmas is movie is pretty good."

Argh. Girls who make setting up second dates a real pain. If this was a first date, it'd be easy to respond, "Hey I'm the one asking you out, if you want to go out, that's what we'll do." But this is a second date.

I'm thinking sending her a message before this Sunday along the lines, "Let's have a drink out, we'll go together to see a movie another time." Then a classic go to bar, bounce to my place, escalate. Or I don't know, maybe if we see a movie early enough in the afternoon, we do GO right to my place afterwards.

.....

"You should have just banged her on the first date." I know that works for many of the guys on this forum (or a zero date bang, which again, seems to work best for girls you meet online). For me, the one-date bang approach just hasn't yielded results. Tried it for the last nine months, my conversions from date to bang are just awful. For example over the three month period from mid-June to mid-September, I had 17 first dates and only one bang from these dates. I'm not in NYC now, there's a lot more ASD, many girls won't put out on first date here, especially girls who are over 21. So I'm trying Blackdragon's two date approach, which he suggests is far more successful.

He suggests to get her to your place on the second date directly, and if she won't, suggest another cocktail drink at a fancy bar. No time limit on a second date (first date <90 mins). Be heavy in your kino, kiss her, bounce her to your place, and push all the way to sex.